I Have A Stake In The Outcome

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Here on WUWT, Ron Cram has provided an interesting overview of a number of people’s ideas about desirable changes to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (UN IPCC). He proposes that the IPCC provide us with a majority and a minority view of climate science, rather than just a single Assessment Report.

I’m here to propose something very different. Some people think the IPCC should be disbanded. I’m not one of them.

Figure 1. The old time methods are still the best.

I think disbanding the IPCC is a bad idea. Instead, I think that we should take the IPCC to the crossroads at midnight and pound an aspen stake through its heart, stuff its head with garlic, and scatter the remains to be disinfected by sunlight so it can never, ever rise again.

Let me give you a list of my reasons why this is the preferable outcome, in no particular order:

•   The IPCC has provided very little of value in the way of deliverables. The reports have been clearly political, heavily slanted, and shot through with third-rate science and worse, NGO puff pieces disguised as science.

•   No other branch of science wants, needs, or has anything like the IPCC … which argues against it being a useful construct. Nor would most branches of science tolerate that kind of nonsense, a bunch of government bureaucrats summarizing the science.

•   Instead of providing us with any kind of certainty or agreement, the IPCC has been the source of endless disagreements, arguments, and food fights. It is a force for dissension and division, not for scientific advancement and harmony. It has made the split worse, not better.

•   Dr. Pachauri has shown repeatedly that he views his tenure as an Imperial Presidency, immune to comment or dissent. Indeed, his view permeates the entire organization.

•   The “Summary for Policymakers” is done with lots of input from politicians. Letting politicians assist in the writing of the scientific summary for themselves and other politicians … bad idea.

•   A number of underhanded, unethical, and generally dirty things have been done under the IPCC umbrella. As a result, there is a huge segment of the population who will automatically adopt the opposite position to any IPCC recommendations … and often with good reason.

•   People don’t trust the IPCC. We have little confidence in the players, the science, the system, or the so-called safeguards. We’ve been lied to, systematically lied to, by the IPCC. How anyone can think the IPCC is still relevant to public policy after that is beyond me. Abraham Lincoln knew better. In a speech in 1854, he said:

If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem.

And regarding the confidence of the public, nothing has changed in the last century and a half since Lincoln spoke … which is another reason why it is useless to try to keep the IPCC alive. Confidence in the IPCC is dead and it will not come back, it’s not pining for the fjords, it’s terminal, put it out of its misery.

•   Previous dirty fighting has soured a number of excellent scientists on participating in the IPCC process.

•   The participants are chosen by politicians of the various countries … hardly a scientific method for doing anything.

•   The great Ravetzian experiment has been a failure. Jerome Ravetz is one of the founders of and hucksters for “Post-Normal Science”. He recommends including all stakeholders like politicians and planners and social scientists into the scientific process, just like the IPCC did. And he thinks that in times like the present, we need “Post-Normal Science”. (In the best Orwellian doublespeak fashion, this is not a science at all, despite the name.) Post-Normal Science holds that we need to substitute “quality” for truth. The IPCC fits right into Ravetz’s vision of “quality” and participation, and this is exactly what the IPCC claims to do — assess the quality, from the viewpoint of all the stakeholders, of the various parts of climate science.

I’m not saying Jerome Ravetz planned this in any way, he didn’t as far as I can tell. But quite unintentionally, for whatever reasons and circumstances, the IPCC has been a grand experiment in Post-Normal Science.

That experiment has failed. And not just failed, it has crashed and burned with spectacular pyrotechnics and outrageous sound effects. In addition to unending disputes, it has brought us the amusingly meretricious self-aggrandizement of third-rate scientists like Michael Mann.

The attempt to introduce some kind of “quality” assessment into climate science has not led to a greater agreement on where we stand and what to do. Instead, the IPCC and its post-normal science process has led to infighting, and to chapter authors promoting and hyping the “quality” and the “robustness” of their own work, and to questions and protests from reviewers being routinely ignored or run over, and to people gaming the system, and to everything but what the IPCC was supposed to lead to – some kind of agreement on the main points.

And that is why we need to drive a stake through its heart. It was based on false premises. One was the premise that we need something like the IPCC at all. No other arena of scientific endeavor has such a thing … oh, except for the UN bureaucrats latest power grab, a new “IPCC for the biosphere”. (OK, for those who don’t know how that will turn out, spoiler alert! The outcome will be another train wreck … I can see that many of you are surprised.)

Another very important false premise was the charmingly naive idea that Lead Authors would treat their own work the same as they treated the work of other scientists … BWAHAHAHA. Only a lapsed Marxist like Ravetz or one of his kin would be foolish enough to think that would end well. I strongly suspect that Ravetz must actually believe in the goodness of man.

Look, folks, the US Constitution works because none of the founding fathers trusted each other one inch. They didn’t believe in the goodness of man, they’d seen too many kings and tyrants for that nonsense to fly. That’s why the US has three equal branches of Government, so no one branch and no one man would get too powerful. They didn’t trust people a bit.

Why didn’t they trust anyone? Because they were realists who knew that given a chance, someone would grab the power and use it for their own interests and against the interests of the people.

Like, for example, what Michael Mann did when he was appointed Lead Author for an IPCC Chapter. Because the people who set up the IPCC believed in things like fairies, AGW, unicorns, and the basic goodness of humanity, Mann had no constraints on his scientific malfeasance. He was free to promote his Hockeystick garbage as though it were real science.

So that’s why I say kill the IPCC, deader than dead, and scatter the remains. It is built from the bottom up on false ideas, fantasies of human goodness and of the benefits of political involvement that will ensure failure even if the motives are good.

But if for our sins we have to have something like the IPCC, it needs to be set up so that no one faction can take control of the outcome. We need an IPCC Charter that is specifically designed, like the US Constitution, to prevent people from doing those things that we know they will otherwise gladly do. So if we have to have an IPCC, we need a new Charter for a new organization, a charter that starts from the premise that humans will definitely lie, cheat, and corrupt the science if given the slightest chance.

As a result, if we don’t kill the IPCC, the Fifth Assessment Report will be guaranteed to bring us at least three things among its cornucopian lack of benefits:

Liars, cheats, and corrupters of science.

My conclusion? Considering the widespread damage done by the first four attacks, I’m not sure that climate science is strong enough to endure the impending attack from the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report. Kill the unclean beast now, while we still have a chance of saving the science.

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dave v
February 14, 2011 4:09 am

“George Tetley says:
February 14, 2011 at 12:11 am
A real good one Wiillis, keep them coming. Thanks to these idiots a wind turbine has just been built 300 meters from my house, what can you do about the noise? And the value?”
Big wind and the negative impacts are the consequences of the IPPC . Destruction to rural and urban life that destroys quality of life, property and community – exactly what this global warming crowd wants.

Theo Goodwin
February 14, 2011 4:14 am

Come on, Willis, tell us how you really feel. Fun aside, I really like your unique voice and I endorse every word you wrote and the picture too. I believe that the IPCC was designed to corrupt science. It has succeeded incredibly well in corrupting science and has produced nothing good. It should have a stake driven through its heart. The people who designed it should be removed from all UN duties and not given another UN dime.
As regards Ravetz, only the UN or some benighted liberal university would pay him to rehash Marxism for the one gazillionth time.

dr.bill
February 14, 2011 4:15 am

Willis,
I like reading all your stuff, and admire the fact that you’ll stuggle to get your head around something, and do it right there (here) in public. This time though, there’s no struggle. You nailed this one right out of the gate. Bravo!
/dr.bill

Beth Cooper
February 14, 2011 4:17 am

I’m with you, Willis. The IPCC should be thrown on the scrap heap of discredited systems of thought control and tyranny, to moulder and rust, along with those other discarded bureaucracies. the Star Chamber, Papal Inquisition and Stalin’s Law Courts. And while we’re about it, why not chuck the BBC over the cliff as well…..

Brian H
February 14, 2011 4:23 am

About the noise, Google WTS (Wind Turbine Syndrome). Infrasound is sickening.

ozspeaksup
February 14, 2011 4:26 am

agreed! the Un is behind it and like all Un backed ideas , its lousy with corruption and bias.
no rejigging would work, they’d make sure of that.
by all means do real science on matters of climate.
but as for the whole agw cc disruption foolery- bury it deep, real real deep.
as the aussies above noted we have an accountant with no science and a chap with seriously questionable bias and lack of real cred now given 5 Mil to try and brainwash/scare the public into compliance with insane taxes and trading in fictitious carbon ventures. today abc and the DPI vic are pushing feeding animals waste cottonmeal( chem and gm is good?) and paying them a bonus to do so.
cattle are meant to graze grass NOT eat grain and waste. and it just keeps coming,
as another poster said its wasting our lives doing battle over this, sure we;re all learning more and thats good, but at the expense of other things that matter, while they have us in a lather over this, it’s what else is going on behind the show thats a worry. more rules regs and un agreements..none of which is good for any but the UN megaworld govt afficionados.

Jessie
February 14, 2011 4:27 am

Willis, great and ground breaking piece. Hooley dooley.
I thought for a minute there, ‘Willis can I have some of your fish?’ Ciguatera and its symptoms of allodynia?
Triangulation, a term for the mix of qualitative and quantitative research (not science) for some decades now may be this ‘post normal science’.
Is anyone aware or has commented on how policy IS actually developed?
Surely ease of access to publications on the web by pseudos, rather than the real tedious work with a disparate group of experts who have subjected their area of expertise WITHIN scientific principles of the peer-reviewed literature rather than cherry picking from a desk what’s been blogged on the internet …… is the question.
My garlic is planted, sapling being chosen and whetstone wettened.
And have good peoples read Pat Franks 3 part response in Metrology blog on WUWT. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/22/the-metrology-of-thermometers/
Masterful responses.

Theo Goodwin
February 14, 2011 4:32 am

Another Gareth says:
February 14, 2011 at 2:18 am
“The biggest hurdle for PNS is people not understanding the name. It’s not post normal science but post normal science – ie a potential way forward when science can’t provide the answers rather than a new form of science. Science by consensus isn’t science, it is politics.”
Your astounding error is found in the phrase “potential way forward.” It has never been and never will be the purpose of science to create, identify, or point a way forward. Science produces understanding, not political action. Science might reveal in the next few weeks that the human genome is such that all humans will die within the next year and that nothing can be done about it. In other words, science might reveal that there is no way forward. In doing so, it will have done its job perfectly.
You folks who are always looking for a way forward are not promoting science or a scientific approach to the matter. You are not looking for understanding. You are looking for political leverage. So, stop dragging the good name of science through any and all of your sewers. Stop using the name altogether.
Ravetz and PNS are just the gazillionth iteration of Marxism, a dead old dogma that had bored people to tears by 1890 at the best. It is bereft of all value. It is nothing but a smokescreen for those who want to impress others with their intellectual heft but who actually are clueless. I will gladly debate any Ravetzian or PNSian at WUWT and I will guarantee to reveal the absurdity in each position associated PNS.

KGuy
February 14, 2011 4:39 am

“A number of underhanded, unethical, and generally dirty things have been done under the IPCC umbrella.”
Steady on there. If you ignore the: gross exaggeration and distortion; manipulation of peer review; conflict of interest; lack of proper due dilligence; cherry picking of evidence and downright lies (e.g. Himilayan Glaciers to disappear by 2050)
…they do write some good works of fiction.

Paul R
February 14, 2011 4:42 am

” The IPCC has provided very little of value in the way of deliverables. The reports have been clearly political, heavily slanted, and shot through with third-rate science and worse, NGO puff pieces disguised as science.”
The beast never had to deliver facts, It just had to be believed. Mission accomplished.

brokenhockeystick
February 14, 2011 4:48 am

Don’t think that vampire’s dead Willis. Looks to me like it has been stabbed in the right side, missing the heart. I reckon its going to come back and haunt us later. Sort of mirroring the whole post normal science debate – we’ve scored a few hits but, what with the IPCC for the biosphere idea, we haven’t yet dealt any mortal blows.
Here’s hoping that wooden stake hits the heart some time soon.

Lonnie E. Schubert
February 14, 2011 4:51 am

As always, thanks Willis.

David
February 14, 2011 5:05 am

steven mosher says:
February 14, 2011 at 2:27 am
Willis the IPCC process is NOT and example of PNS. Stakeholders, like you or representing you would have to be part of the process for it to be PNS.
You don’t understand PNS. And its not because it hasnt been explained to you.
Still I think the IPCC should be put to rest, precisely because it doesnt bring all stakeholders into the process as PNS would dictate.
When Facts are uncertain, when values are in conflict, when stakes are high and when
some think decisions must be made, THEN stakeholders (like people whose taxes would go up) MUST be part of the decision process. That’s the whole point.”
Actually the failure of PNS is it does not explicidly separate the science from the policy,
Here is the quote and my response…”“…’When facts are uncertain, when values are in conflict, when stakes are high, when decisions seem urgent, the FIRST casualty is “normal” science.’
I would say the first obligation of policy makers, those with integrity to truth, should be to protect and defend “normal” science, and not let it be a casualty.

Theo Goodwin
February 14, 2011 5:10 am

Peter Miller says:
February 14, 2011 at 3:58 am
“Scrap the IPCC? Great idea, but unfortunately totally unrealistic. The political establishment requires ever more taxes to fund bloated bureaucracies and welfare schemes.”
Aren’t you aware that the Republicans are taking steps to end funding for EPA regulation of CO2 and, in addition, to remove that mandate from the EPA? In 2012, they might end the Department of (Marxist) Education. Why so glum? Have some hope.

KV
February 14, 2011 5:15 am

Congratulations Willis. Keep it up because the silent majority is finally stirring judging by the increasing traffic on sceptic blogs, especially in Australia.
Here’s another take on the UNIPCC which may come as huge shock to AGW believers who were feeling all warm and fuzzy about ‘saving’ the planet and felt at one with the zealous environmental forces of the UNIPCC and their CAGW theory.
It’s an interview by one of the top IPPC men given to NZZ am Sonntag on November 10 2010.
Ottmar Edenhofer is a German economist who deals with climate change policy…….. He is currently professor of the Economics of Climate Change at the Technical University of Berlin, co-chair of Working group III of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and deputy director and chief economist at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research…… In 2004 he was a lead author for the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with former Vice President of the United States Al Gore.
In the interview Edenhofer freely admitted that the goal of Climate Policy is to transfer wealth from the West to the Third World by imposing economy eviscerating carbon caps on the West.
Edited excerpts from that interview:-
(NZZ AM SONNTAG): “The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think of aid when they hear development policies.
(OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all.
(NZZ): That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know.
(EDENHOFER): Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War.
(NZZ): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.
(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore.”
The link is http://www.libertarianadvocate.blogspot.com/2010/11/ottmar-edenhofer-co-chair-of-uns-ipcc.html
Google NZZ am Sonntag for the original in German.

February 14, 2011 5:31 am

We’re entering a new era where spending must be reduced…not a little, but a lot. I think the beast will be killed–not by a stake, but by starvation and not a minute too soon.
For those who shoot the windmills, please leave the shafts standing as a warning to the next generation of brain-damaged do-gooders. Thank you.

HaroldW
February 14, 2011 5:33 am

Well, this gets off-topic, but curiosity can’t be stopped. Is there a zoologist here who can identify the non-human bones in the picture? I’m guessing that the “vampire” was buried with his horse.

February 14, 2011 5:35 am

Just like a guy said earlier in his comment, there should be a very good distinction between science, religion and politics.Although in my own opinion the three of them are only helping at the destruction and making a very big slavery onto population these days.Too much control because some big guys have allot of money and they want more!

Mervyn Sullivan
February 14, 2011 5:36 am

The IPCC was set up by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) as an effort by the United Nations to provide the governments of the world with a clear scientific view of what is happening to the world’s climate.
A great idea, certainly. But what happened?
Well, the scientific view of what is happening to the world’s climate was hijacked by politics. The first group of scientists, responsible for the first report of the IPCC, concluded that there was no evidence to support anthropogenic global warming. Well, that would have spelt the end of the IPCC then and there. The UN couldn’t stomach that … so an “eminent scientist” was found to prepare a misleading statement that there was evidence of anthropogenic global warming.
US 60+ billion dollars have been spent over the years, trying to persuade the world that CO2 emissions from human activity is causing catastrophic global warming … yet the IPCC has still not yet produced even one shred of empirical evidence to support its mantra. (Heck, the IPCC could even win US $500,000 from the Junk Science web site by producing the empirical evidence.)
http://ultimateglobalwarmingchallenge.com/
So what now? There is only one answer. The politics in climate science, which has corrupted scientists, and caused so much damage to the scientific community, must be eliminated. To do this, the IPCC must be exterminated. The scientific method and skepticism must regain their rightful place in science, and consensus science must be cast into a bottomless pit, never to rear its ugly head again.

Jessie
February 14, 2011 5:36 am

George Tetley says: February 14, 2011 at 12:11 am
Commentator 1/N=?
True, what would one do?
Such troglodytes that want us back eyeing the winds to gather, smoke and trade trepang on the northern shores or bake a loaf from the one sack reaped from wind-milled grain for ten kids in the wood oven in the middle of the mallee (or city) need some further education. Or permanent relocation to do just so.
A submission of the contribution (not) and lunacy of wind farms for OUR national energy grid and the effects on families, natural habitats and industry is here:
http://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/why-wind-wont-work.pdf
The Senate http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/clac_ctte/impact_rural_wind_farms/info.htm
must surely need re-education that we are in the 21C and people want jobs and the opportunity to live in our wonderful country without such massive blades over their heads and families. Particularly when Australia has such an abundance and capacity for provision of cheaper and less damaging energy.
Read the other submissions
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/clac_ctte/impact_rural_wind_farms/submissions.htm

John
February 14, 2011 5:40 am

“I think disbanding the IPCC is a bad idea. Instead, I think that we should take the IPCC to the crossroads at midnight and pound an aspen stake through its heart, stuff its head with garlic, and scatter the remains to be disinfected by sunlight so it can never, ever rise again”
I am sympathetic, unfortunately, there’s a lot of organization and political theory out there which implies this is impossible.

Bruce Cobb
February 14, 2011 5:48 am

LazyTeenager says:
February 14, 2011 at 2:33 am
Willis rants
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humans will definitely lie, cheat, and corrupt the science if given the slightest chance.
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and you are excluding climate skeptics from that classification for no particular reason?

You misunderstand (again). Climate Skeptics’, or Climate Realists’ only stake in this is a level playing field. The Alarmists have stacked the deck, and blatantly so, then claimed that the “science was in” and “the debate is over”.
All of the lying, cheating, power-mongering etc. is being done by the Alarmists because their motives have to do with keeping the funding/career/fame/power behemoth rolling along.

François GM
February 14, 2011 5:51 am

I hope this excellent post will get widely diffused.

Jessie
February 14, 2011 5:54 am

Theo Goodwin says: February 14, 2011 at 4:32 am
Theo I would appreciate if you would expand on
Verstehen (understanding) and Erklaren (explaining).
Dilthey did such. I understood that Weber failed.
Your post is most interesting, thank you.

DocMartyn
February 14, 2011 5:55 am

“Figure 1. The old time methods are still the best.”
It does help if the stake is driven through the left-hand side of the chest, where the heart is, rather than the right-hand side. Professor Abraham van Helsing would give you a very poor grade on the whole stop the vampire thing.