Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Here on WUWT, Ron Cram has provided an interesting overview of a number of people’s ideas about desirable changes to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (UN IPCC). He proposes that the IPCC provide us with a majority and a minority view of climate science, rather than just a single Assessment Report.
I’m here to propose something very different. Some people think the IPCC should be disbanded. I’m not one of them.
Figure 1. The old time methods are still the best.
I think disbanding the IPCC is a bad idea. Instead, I think that we should take the IPCC to the crossroads at midnight and pound an aspen stake through its heart, stuff its head with garlic, and scatter the remains to be disinfected by sunlight so it can never, ever rise again.
Let me give you a list of my reasons why this is the preferable outcome, in no particular order:
• The IPCC has provided very little of value in the way of deliverables. The reports have been clearly political, heavily slanted, and shot through with third-rate science and worse, NGO puff pieces disguised as science.
• No other branch of science wants, needs, or has anything like the IPCC … which argues against it being a useful construct. Nor would most branches of science tolerate that kind of nonsense, a bunch of government bureaucrats summarizing the science.
• Instead of providing us with any kind of certainty or agreement, the IPCC has been the source of endless disagreements, arguments, and food fights. It is a force for dissension and division, not for scientific advancement and harmony. It has made the split worse, not better.
• Dr. Pachauri has shown repeatedly that he views his tenure as an Imperial Presidency, immune to comment or dissent. Indeed, his view permeates the entire organization.
• The “Summary for Policymakers” is done with lots of input from politicians. Letting politicians assist in the writing of the scientific summary for themselves and other politicians … bad idea.
• A number of underhanded, unethical, and generally dirty things have been done under the IPCC umbrella. As a result, there is a huge segment of the population who will automatically adopt the opposite position to any IPCC recommendations … and often with good reason.
• People don’t trust the IPCC. We have little confidence in the players, the science, the system, or the so-called safeguards. We’ve been lied to, systematically lied to, by the IPCC. How anyone can think the IPCC is still relevant to public policy after that is beyond me. Abraham Lincoln knew better. In a speech in 1854, he said:
If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem.
And regarding the confidence of the public, nothing has changed in the last century and a half since Lincoln spoke … which is another reason why it is useless to try to keep the IPCC alive. Confidence in the IPCC is dead and it will not come back, it’s not pining for the fjords, it’s terminal, put it out of its misery.
• Previous dirty fighting has soured a number of excellent scientists on participating in the IPCC process.
• The participants are chosen by politicians of the various countries … hardly a scientific method for doing anything.
• The great Ravetzian experiment has been a failure. Jerome Ravetz is one of the founders of and hucksters for “Post-Normal Science”. He recommends including all stakeholders like politicians and planners and social scientists into the scientific process, just like the IPCC did. And he thinks that in times like the present, we need “Post-Normal Science”. (In the best Orwellian doublespeak fashion, this is not a science at all, despite the name.) Post-Normal Science holds that we need to substitute “quality” for truth. The IPCC fits right into Ravetz’s vision of “quality” and participation, and this is exactly what the IPCC claims to do — assess the quality, from the viewpoint of all the stakeholders, of the various parts of climate science.
I’m not saying Jerome Ravetz planned this in any way, he didn’t as far as I can tell. But quite unintentionally, for whatever reasons and circumstances, the IPCC has been a grand experiment in Post-Normal Science.
That experiment has failed. And not just failed, it has crashed and burned with spectacular pyrotechnics and outrageous sound effects. In addition to unending disputes, it has brought us the amusingly meretricious self-aggrandizement of third-rate scientists like Michael Mann.
The attempt to introduce some kind of “quality” assessment into climate science has not led to a greater agreement on where we stand and what to do. Instead, the IPCC and its post-normal science process has led to infighting, and to chapter authors promoting and hyping the “quality” and the “robustness” of their own work, and to questions and protests from reviewers being routinely ignored or run over, and to people gaming the system, and to everything but what the IPCC was supposed to lead to – some kind of agreement on the main points.
And that is why we need to drive a stake through its heart. It was based on false premises. One was the premise that we need something like the IPCC at all. No other arena of scientific endeavor has such a thing … oh, except for the UN bureaucrats latest power grab, a new “IPCC for the biosphere”. (OK, for those who don’t know how that will turn out, spoiler alert! The outcome will be another train wreck … I can see that many of you are surprised.)
Another very important false premise was the charmingly naive idea that Lead Authors would treat their own work the same as they treated the work of other scientists … BWAHAHAHA. Only a lapsed Marxist like Ravetz or one of his kin would be foolish enough to think that would end well. I strongly suspect that Ravetz must actually believe in the goodness of man.
Look, folks, the US Constitution works because none of the founding fathers trusted each other one inch. They didn’t believe in the goodness of man, they’d seen too many kings and tyrants for that nonsense to fly. That’s why the US has three equal branches of Government, so no one branch and no one man would get too powerful. They didn’t trust people a bit.
Why didn’t they trust anyone? Because they were realists who knew that given a chance, someone would grab the power and use it for their own interests and against the interests of the people.
Like, for example, what Michael Mann did when he was appointed Lead Author for an IPCC Chapter. Because the people who set up the IPCC believed in things like fairies, AGW, unicorns, and the basic goodness of humanity, Mann had no constraints on his scientific malfeasance. He was free to promote his Hockeystick garbage as though it were real science.
So that’s why I say kill the IPCC, deader than dead, and scatter the remains. It is built from the bottom up on false ideas, fantasies of human goodness and of the benefits of political involvement that will ensure failure even if the motives are good.
But if for our sins we have to have something like the IPCC, it needs to be set up so that no one faction can take control of the outcome. We need an IPCC Charter that is specifically designed, like the US Constitution, to prevent people from doing those things that we know they will otherwise gladly do. So if we have to have an IPCC, we need a new Charter for a new organization, a charter that starts from the premise that humans will definitely lie, cheat, and corrupt the science if given the slightest chance.
As a result, if we don’t kill the IPCC, the Fifth Assessment Report will be guaranteed to bring us at least three things among its cornucopian lack of benefits:
Liars, cheats, and corrupters of science.
My conclusion? Considering the widespread damage done by the first four attacks, I’m not sure that climate science is strong enough to endure the impending attack from the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report. Kill the unclean beast now, while we still have a chance of saving the science.
w.

Huge damage to economies of other poor countries too done by the IPCC. In the Philippines for instance, outstanding climate loans from the climate loans racketer ADB, WB, OECF, etc. $1.08 B, excluding past climate loans that have been paid already. Another $1B is being negotiated for energy loans to have mandatory subsidies to solar, wind, other RE sources to “save the planet.” The robbery of taxpayers and energy consumers that IPCC has created and justified is huge and will remain huge in the future.
Willis Eschenbach said: “The great Ravetzian experiment has been a failure. Jerome Ravetz is one of the founders of and hucksters for “Post-Normal Science”. He recommends including all stakeholders like politicians and planners and social scientists into the scientific process, just like the IPCC did. And he thinks that in times like the present, we need “Post-Normal Science”. (In the best Orwellian doublespeak fashion, this is not a science at all, despite the name.) Post-Normal Science holds that we need to substitute “quality” for truth. The IPCC fits right into Ravetz’s vision of “quality” and participation, and this is exactly what the IPCC claims to do — assess the quality, from the viewpoint of all the stakeholders, of the various parts of climate science.”
The biggest hurdle for PNS is people not understanding the name. It’s not post normal science but post normal science – ie a potential way forward when science can’t provide the answers rather than a new form of science. Science by consensus isn’t science, it is politics.
The simplest interpretation of PNS reveals why it has failed with climate change. All that is really required is that everyone with an interest in resolving a matter compromises until a forward step can be made. 3 issues are prevalent in the AGW application of PNS.
1. It is assumed that we must make forward steps. Invariably this is inflated to needing rapid, ginormous leaps to aid the consensus building process through scaremongering. The ‘something must be done’ mentality usually discounts ‘nothing’ as an unsuitable answer even when it is the most appropriate.
2. The evidence and opinions have been sifted by the likes of the IPCC so that not all views are being heard. PNS does describe the need for weighting of opinions and that I think is the major weak point of the theory. With AGW Governments have put people with a vested interest in achieving a specific outcome (rather than just ‘any outcome’) in charge of directing discussions.
3. Compromise is not in their vocabulary. They have set out a case for AGW. It is quite flimsy and based on an assumption of CO2 warming induced feedbacks yet they will not consider anything less than a vast redistribution of wealth from rich nations to poor ones through force. Governments aren’t compromising – they view green taxes as extra revenue. The luminaries of the AGW creed aren’t compromising either – does it really need 30,000+ people descending on a town?
At best all they have set out to do is build a fraudulent consensus with PNS as a cover story. Maybe they have convinced themselves that they are practicing PNS properly but they aren’t. The Lisbon conference was an attempt to do it right.
Willis says:
Look, folks, the US Constitution works because none of the founding fathers trusted each other one inch. They didn’t believe _in the goodness of man_, they’d seen too many kings and tyrants for that nonsense to fly. That’s why the US has three equal branches of Government, so no one branch and no one man would get too powerful. They didn’t trust people a bit.
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This is not true. What the Founding Father trusted was the Will of the People as set forth in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do _ordain_ and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
The key word is “ordain”. Implicit in the Preamble is that the will of the People is above the will of God and of the establishments of religlion, the monarchy and the previleged aristocracy. At that time in Europe, no pretender ( (i.e., a hereditery royal) to the throne could rule unless ordained by the Church a monarch who could then grant privilege and title to an aristocrat (or other worthy person).
The implcit exclusion of the establishment of regligion from goverance was made explicit in the First Amendment: “The Congress shall pass no law with respect to an establishment of religion or the free exercise thereof…” The intent of the Founding Fathers was this: The Congress shall pass no law confering powers of goverance on an establishment of religion or banning the any religion. This exclusion does not mean that a school can not put on play at christmas time about the birth of Jesus Christ.
In his Gettyburg’s Address, President Lincoln reaffirmed the Founding Fathers’ trust in will of the people with “…that government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth.” This the fundamental principle of “That shot heard round the world.” The people in Eygpt have finally heard and understood “That shot heard round the world.” The US is the only country in human history where the power of government to rule is granted by will and approval of the people.
The old world societies despise the USA because the principles of the American Revolution has and still threatens to upset their social, political and religious applecarts. They have never forgiven , do not now and never will forgive the USA for upsetting their applecarts.
Willis the IPCC process is NOT and example of PNS. Stakeholders, like you or representing you would have to be part of the process for it to be PNS.
You don’t understand PNS. And its not because it hasnt been explained to you.
Still I think the IPCC should be put to rest, precisely because it doesnt bring all stakeholders into the process as PNS would dictate.
When Facts are uncertain, when values are in conflict, when stakes are high and when
some think decisions must be made, THEN stakeholders (like people whose taxes would go up) MUST be part of the decision process. That’s the whole point.
Good article Willis, but realistically I don’t think the fraud wagon will be stopped before we see the 5th report unfortunately.
But I think a group should be ready to do a forensic dissection on the report when it is released and this time nail all the lies and exaggerations quickly in a matter of days or weeks.
This time the fraudsters must be made to account for their slop as soon as it is on public display and you will probably have more pollies with big enough testicles in every country to help expose some of the nonsense as well.
I think lucy’s idea is a good one, we definitely need a site to counter every facet of climate both ancient and modern.
Every peer reviewed paper covering the MWP from all corners of the planet should be available, plus sea level records, droughts ,floods, ocean oscillations, coral records, glaciers during the LIA and now, ice core records, sea bed core records etc.
All the latest argo OHC records should be available every month, plus satellite sea levels whatever, but make sure they’re available at one site or more as long as they are available.
Willis rants
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humans will definitely lie, cheat, and corrupt the science if given the slightest chance.
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and you are excluding climate skeptics from that classification for no particular reason?
Why waste a good stake? It is deceased let it rot.
Great post…hit the IPCC nail on the head…..BUT, if you think the US constitution prevented power grabs by politicians…..then you need to do some serious reading!
I think disbanding the IPCC is a bad idea. Instead, I think that we should take the IPCC to the crossroads at midnight and pound an aspen stake through its heart, stuff its head with garlic, and scatter the remains to be disinfected by sunlight so it can never, ever rise again.
Seconded.
Richard Hill says: February 14, 2011 at 2:07 am
Exactly.
In the UK, the new figurehead of the Royal Society is called Sir Paul Nurse and it is he who fronted that appalling BBC Horizon programme the other day.
If you look at the top left of this web page http://royalsociety.org/news/paul-nurse-presents-horizon/ you will see the words “Excellence in Science”.
There is no hope for change there if they can shamelessly juxtapose the words “excellence in science” with the words “bbc horizon”.
George Tetley says:
February 14, 2011 at 12:11 am
“Areal good one Wiillis, keep them coming, thanks to these idiots a wind turbine has just been built 300 meters from my house, what can you do about the noise? And the value ?”
Shoot it.
I believe Margaret Thatcher took a large part in the creation of the IPCC. At the time global warming alarmism was a useful weapon in her fight against the miners.
If she really did believe it at the time, she doesn’t now. She is now quite sceptical, as made clear in her autobiography.
In my view the IPCC is responsible for the greatest confidence trick in the history of mankind.
Chris
Excellent suggestion Willis Eschenbach, I’m 100% with you but please leave out the part with aspen stake and the garlic. Skeptics should leave the use of medieval rituals to the warmists.
Excellent piece. I do think though, that you have misunderstood Ravetz. Wasn’t Ravetz saying that the problem with climate science is that they don’t use PNS? If Ravetz gets his way, it would make the IPCC even worse, if that’s possible.
As for that Mann, you are too polite in referring to him as a scientist. There are many third rate scientists that do diligent if uninspiring work. Mann is a charlatan – someone who manipulates and deceives under the aegis of science. He is no less a hoaxer than the Piltdown man creator.
steven mosher says:
February 14, 2011 at 2:27 am
“Willis the IPCC process is NOT and [sic] example of PNS. Stakeholders, like you or representing you would have to be part of the process for it to be PNS.”
That is Ravetz’s take on it yes. But with the exception of stakeholders, the IPCC fits the description of PNS. The idea of involving taxpayers directly as stakeholders is never going to work as it would require a plebiscite. What you have are governments getting involved and writing summaries of the science. In as much as governments are the representatives of the people, then it could be argued that taxpayers are stakeholders.
steve;
The protestations of PNSers that they aren’t really attempting to relegate truth-testing to subordinate status (to policy priorities) and hence to politicians fails the sniff test.
Anent which, Mencken:
Willis,
Well put, but we should realise that the IPCC is but a small part of the UN, and it is the UN that should be wrent asunder.
I agree with Willis that the IPCC is beyond redemption. Better to start anew on a level playing field with the various teams of scientist working on various aspects of climate science and a variety of competing hypotheses discuss their differences rationally from an equal footing. This is the basis behind my new post here:
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/t-c-chamberlin-multiple-working-hypotheses/
It was also the basis of my statement to the Lisbon conference:
“The possibilities for a deliberate realignment of research effort in the testing of multiple hypotheses concerning the causes and consequences of climate change must be considered.”
I enlarged on this in my verbal intro piece, saying that given interesting correlations are popping up between solar activity and climate indicators, there is a strong case for funding parallel lines of investigation which can cross fertilise and cross validate/eliminate each other. That way, we can winnow out falsehood, and arrive at a convergence of an assessment on the relative power of the various climate driving factors at various epochs.
Where I disagree with Willis and agree with ‘another Gareth’ above, is in his characterisation of the IPCC process as a “Ravetzian enterprise”. It wasn’t and isn’t. It’s a Schneiderian enterprise founded on “making little mention of any doubts we may have” and as such is utterly the opposite of what Ravetz called for, which was the open acknowledgement and discussion of uncertainty.
I wrote a lengthy reply to Willis on this issue this morning on Judy Curry’s site here:
http://judithcurry.com/2011/01/29/lisbon-workshop-on-reconciliation-part-ii/#comment-42355
The checks and balances of the US Constitution exist and are needed for one reason: Original sin. We are selfish and will use any means available to further our own interests. Science is supposed to be above all that: objective, true until proven otherwise by reliable, repeatable tests. Put politics into the process, and you let in human motives, self-interest, willingness to skew or falsify or bypass results, and all the rest of the apparatus of Original Sin.
Willis, from your pen to God’s eyes, but what you wish will never happen. Sort of like in the US trying to get rid of the NEA – NPR nexus or take any other program.
I know quite a few people whose consultancy revenue stream is tied to attending the sessions in nice foreign places. They will continue to believe, at least publically.
Well yesterday, I called ’em second rate, Willis is probably right, I’ll settle for third rate.
But also what I said yesterday – Scrap it. If you don’t, they’ll only dream up some other scare, and spend billions on ‘research’ into junk science.
What many do not see, is the time wasted on what could be useful research into energy from Thorium, research into flood attenuation, and well you name it….
Even though I agree with the sentiments expressed in this post, …’it’s not going to happen’… Pielke Jnr. In another context but applicable here.
Deal with it.
Bravo!
Scrap the IPCC? Great idea, but unfortunately totally unrealistic.
The political establishment requires ever more taxes to fund bloated bureaucracies and welfare schemes.
‘Green’ taxes are perceived as being good and most important, they are relatively easy to collect.
The IPCC is a political tool designed to scare us all into the ‘need’ for more ‘green’ taxes.
Ergo, it will not be scrapped, unless the political establishment wishes it – and there is absolutely no chance of that happening!
R. de Haan says:
“Skeptics should leave the use of medieval rituals to the warmists.”
Unfortunately, logic and correct scientific procedures are unlikely to have too much effect on some of these groups, we have seen that over and over again.
Sometime, to kill a blood-sucking vampire, ones may need to resort to using an aspen stake and some garlic. 😉