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vukcevic says:
January 23, 2011 at 1:45 am
Recent observations indicate that magnetic field lines of magnetic clouds do remain connected to the Sun [Larson et al., 1997].
Of course, that idea goes back 40 years.
I need you to respond to the following interpretation of what you believe:
The loop starts at the surface of the Sun goes out way past the planets and returns to the Sun. This is a net current, you say, so some process at the Sun is pumping electrons [or do you think that should be the much heavier protons] into the loop for many weeks or months [the loop lives that long], although the CME only last a few hours, the currents goes on and on, eventually from solar activity that has long died. The particles travel away from the Sun along the loop [while the solar wind and indeed the loop expand radially] and bend around at great distances [the loop has been wound around the sun several times by now] in order to return to the sun along the loop.
Is this what you believe?
If not, describe in your own words what it is.

Leif Svalgaard says:
January 23, 2011 at 9:38 am
The way to deal with the changed rules is to multiply all numbers [1610-2011] by 1.67, then multiply [again] all numbers before ~1947 by 1.20.
I would be equally satisfied with dividing all number after 1947 by 1.2 rather than raising the old numbers. Since NOAA now seems to have settled in to 1.6 of SIDC, we maintain agreement with NOAA by raising the pre-1947 numbers. Scientifically it makes no difference which way we do it, so practical considerations will take precedence.

Leif Svalgaard says:
January 23, 2011 at 9:38 am
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That is a false interpretation.
Hironori Shimazua,b,c, MotohikoTanaka: A flux rope requires a large electric current to maintain its magnetic field…the flux rope is maintained only by the electron current. This assumption is reasonable because the proton current alone cannot make a structure smaller than the proton cyclotron radius. Protons are assumed to have no bulk drift except for thermal motion….In the initial equilibrium, the electrons move along the magnetic field lines, and this electric current generates the magnetic field of the flux rope.
A.A. van Ballegooijen, E.E. DeLuca: The high conductivity of plasma implies that the electric currents can be maintained for a long period of time.
Implication is that electric current / magnetic field are still connected to the Sun, even if mass ejection has stopped some time before, and ejected mass of heavier particles may have moved some distance: as in this illustration : (orange shaded area)
http://ase.tufts.edu/cosmos/pictures/Sept09/Fig8_7.MagCloud.gif
During an impact with a magnetosphere the above electric current / magnetic field will be affected, and since they are still attached to the Sun, feedback will arise.
One thing is clear: you do not differentiate between electrons drift and the associated electric/magnetic field propagation.

vukcevic says:
January 23, 2011 at 10:59 am
That is a false interpretation.
I asked what your interpretation was and tried to describe what it looked like. You now say it is false…
Implication is that electric current / magnetic field are still connected to the Sun,
An electric current is the movements of charges, so the charges are still removed from the sun at all times [months] by some process, right?
One thing is clear: you do not differentiate between electrons drift and the associated electric/magnetic field propagation.
Explain to me what the difference is?

Geoff Sharp says:
January 23, 2011 at 3:56 am
I am still awaiting your response why you will not adjust your own graphs that use the NOAA unadjusted values.
And I’m still awaiting your plot of F10.7 and SSN for the minimum 20 years ago [this one: http://www.leif.org/research/F107%20and%20SSN%202.png ]
As you say: Time to man up

Leif Svalgaard says:
January 23, 2011 at 11:10 am
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You got all that wrong !
1.Watch this NASA video

2. I suspected for some time that you do not (or whish not) to understand electric currents.
3. Read two quotes (in italics) from my previous post:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/22/new-wuwt-solar-images-and-data-page/#comment-581271
Electric current for its propagation will utilise any electrons (solar wind etc) that happen to be in path of highest conductivity/lowest resistance (solar wind you say is of near infinite conductivity, very low resistance). While mass ejection lasts (for few hours) the current will start and close at the CME’s origin, but as mass ejection ends the current loop becomes independent from its initial location, so wrapping may end , as long there are enogh electrons in corona (to propagate electric field around the loop) current will flow (remember plasma has no resistance), force-free structure. The current will maintain the magnetic field within the loop:
Hironori Shimazua,b,c, MotohikoTanaka: A flux rope requires a large electric current to maintain its magnetic field…the flux rope is maintained only by the electron current.
A.A. van Ballegooijen, E.E. DeLuca: The high conductivity of plasma implies that the electric currents can be maintained for a long period of time.
The whole process, from a single CME, may lasts for some months, until CME hits heliopause
http://www.archive.org/details/CIL-10037or as in NASA’s
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZZr9TF1qI0

Ok, since we have a number of sun guru’s here…. I’d be very interested in opinions on how much cosmic ray increase (or any other aspects of interest) that we might see if Betelgeuse were to go supernova? Thanks in advance for any input!

Rational Debate says:
January 23, 2011 at 4:20 pm
I’d be very interested in opinions on how much cosmic ray increase (or any other aspects of interest) that we might see if Betelgeuse were to go supernova?
Here is a pointer:
http://www.pnas.org/content/92/1/235.full.pdf