The "next big thing": a carbon swap bank

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Via Eurekalert: Carbon swap bank to beat climate change

Could swapping carbon emissions rather than trading them reduce climate change?

Australian researchers have suggested that nations should abandon the concept of carbon emissions trading in favor of a carbon swap bank that might lead to genuine reductions in the amount of carbon dioxide greenhouse gas entering the atmosphere and so provide a mechanism for reducing climate change. Details of the carbon swap bank are outlined in the journal Interdisciplinary Environmental Review.

Carbon emissions trading was to be the economic environmental solution to climate change. The original impetus of the Copenhagen Treaty in 2010 was to mitigate rising global average temperature by allowing nations that reduced their carbon emissions to trade with other nations and so motivate all nations to find ways of cutting pollution. The idea for an emission trading scheme first emerged in the 1960s in the USA. “Cap and trade” was essentially an invention of economists, and in particular, Canadian economist JH Dales in 1968. The first such cap-and-trade system was launched as part of the US Acid Rain Program in Title IV of the 1990 Clean Air Act but similar schemes have been mooted in the face of global warming.

Emissions trading became part of the Kyoto Protocol through the efforts of the Clinton Administration. Its success in reducing sulfur dioxide emissions and so reducing acid rain was seen as successful and inexpensive. The international adoption of cap-and-trade followed from the notion that, “We’ve found an effective tool, domestically, for controlling emissions, and let’s try it internationally.”

Unfortunately, economic solutions to scientific and engineering problems rarely succeed especially once politicians become involved. Various proposed bills in the USA and Australia faltered because of agricultural issues and a failure to force those industries that produce the greatest tonnage of carbon dioxide pollution to alter their technologies. Moreover, carbon trading became nothing more than a financial vehicle with excessive derivatives, an uncontrolled offset market, and distortion of permits and taxes.

According to Carolyn Currie of Public Private Sector Partnerships, in Sydney, Australia, a carbon swap bank would allow direct deposits of sequestered carbon to be added and withdrawals of emission rights to be made. The process would not work like an investment futures market but would be facilitated by direct swap arrangements between a supplier of carbon sequestering technologies and methods, and those of the carbon polluter.

This approach gets around some of the major obstacles to carbon trading, namely the accurate measurement of a nation’s emissions and the regulation and enforcement of emissions controls internationally. More troublesome is the fact that emissions trading is not incentive compatible and so can result in perverse incentives whereby a polluting firm given emission permits has no incentive to reduce emissions further because future emissions permits might then be restricted. Similarly, regions, such as the European Union, could protect the industries within member states by allocating permits to reduce international competition from outside such a region.

There are five main advantages to a carbon swap bank over other carbon emission controls, according to Currie:

  1. the macroeconomic significance of avoiding the free market flaws of volatility in price
  2. mitigation of the uncertainty that an emissions trading scheme will actually induce significant changes in technology
  3. the likelihood that changes will not be confined to the domestic economies of developed nations
  4. the cost of a permit may be significantly higher than carbon swap arrangements when corruption of the permit process and the profiteering evident in the EU are taken into account
  5. changes towards sequestration and emissions reduction can be identified and monitored and progress to lower carbon cap nationally assessed by listing all specific projects aimed to sequester carbon and reduce emissions.

While developed nations are now baulking at the implementation of carbon emissions trading schemes, a government could easily experiment with a carbon swap bank to benefit, for instance, its forestry and agricultural sectors, while reducing its emissions, based on the concept of increasing productivity in the sequestering sector, while preserving non-renewable resources for future generations; no international agreements would be needed and there would be no detrimental effect on national industry or competitiveness, and no potential for financial wizards to embroil carbon emissions in their vicious circle of boom and bust, concludes Currie.

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“A solution to climate change economics – a carbon swap bank” in Interdisciplinary Environmental Review, 2010, 11, 236-247

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latitude
January 7, 2011 5:13 pm

So we’re back to paying farmers to not work their land again…
… and right back to the same old shell game where the government gets even more power

Darren Parker
January 7, 2011 5:25 pm

Another poorly thought through idea from the ecotards

January 7, 2011 5:32 pm

I am not one to comment on what people in other countries are doing. My analysis is simple. All these proposals will do is cost the consumer more, move profits to those how least need them and accomplish absolutely in the way of changing carbon utilization.

Carla
January 7, 2011 5:33 pm

I don’t like the climate game. This is all I have to say.
Cosmic Lexicon: Carbon dioxide
Home > Library > Science > Cosmic Lexicon
A compound formed by combining one carbon atom with two oxygen atoms, making the molecule CO2. Carbon dioxide is an important part of the atmospheres of Venus and Mars. Carbon dioxide gas condenses to a solid below -78C. This solid is commonly known as dry ice. The polar ice caps on Mars are made of frozen water and carbon dioxide.
http://www.answers.com/topic/carbon-dioxide
Hey how bout those..ah ice core things?

MACK1
January 7, 2011 5:41 pm

Seems that the climate agitators are suffering from either overuse of computers with unrecognised risks of garbage in-garbage out, or they are overusing recreational drugs – the challenge is to identify which of these two particular issues is operating with each new idea they come up with.

January 7, 2011 5:48 pm

Phase 1. Steal underpants.
Phase 2. ?????
Phase 3. Solve pollution.

u.k.(us)
January 7, 2011 6:01 pm

Sounds like they want to cut out the middle man.

tokyoboy
January 7, 2011 6:14 pm

The fatal flaw of the AGW theory is that one can never do a control experiment.

Richard
January 7, 2011 6:34 pm

Hey where can I buy 1 million dollar certificate for Carbon offsets?
Would that mean I wont have to buy an air conditioner?
I’d like the thermostat set at 21 C, except during the ski season.

SOYLENT GREEN
January 7, 2011 6:49 pm

“This approach gets around some of the major obstacles to carbon trading, namely the accurate measurement of a nation’s emissions and the regulation and enforcement of emissions controls internationally.”
So apparently, all that pesky accounting will not be an issue. The EUro-scammers, who’ve stolen billions from that market will be glad to set up new shops.
Idiots.

CRS, Dr.P.H.
January 7, 2011 6:52 pm

“We’ve found an effective tool, domestically, for controlling emissions, and let’s try it internationally.”
….of course! The international community are masters at capturing the value of such schemes, just as the Germans!
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,665594,00.html

Gordon Ford
January 7, 2011 6:55 pm

I’ve four billion tonnes of carbon offsets that I’ll trade for gold

January 7, 2011 6:59 pm

Who is going to pay the administrative costs? (as if I didn’t know the answer)

Retired Engineer
January 7, 2011 7:04 pm

Total human CO2 is what – about 3% of the total produced naturally? And that of a 0.04% component of the atmosphere. Swapping carbon will reduce this by how much? Which will have what effect on the climate?
Methinks these folks consume excessive recreational chemicals.

wayne
January 7, 2011 7:19 pm

Sure sounds like barter… a way to make money without paying taxes. I say money and taxes, in that system ‘money’ & ‘taxes’ don’t exist. So who supports the civilization? Just left to the common folk docile enough to just accept it?
The process would not work like an investment futures market but would be facilitated by direct swap arrangements between a supplier of carbon sequestering technologies and methods, and those of the carbon polluter
Trouble is there is no such thing as a carbon polluter speaking of co2. Bet General Electric is drooling.

January 7, 2011 7:24 pm

Gordon Ford says:
“I’ve four billion tonnes of carbon offsets that I’ll trade for gold.”
Gordon, I found a single earring of my wife’s behind the couch. It’s 14K gold plated over zinc. Do we have a deal?

Alvin
January 7, 2011 7:27 pm

Again, something based on a lie is still wrong. They just made it more complicated.

Alvin
January 7, 2011 7:29 pm

The con job is that the 97% naturally emmitted CO2 will be owned by …….
The Government

Darren Parker
January 7, 2011 7:48 pm

I don’t know why the greenies think they need to save the earth, they’re already off in a world of their own.

apachewhoknows
January 7, 2011 7:54 pm

AIG’s commission on these trades is what percent?
Clear the U.N. will be the tax clearing house that gets AIG’s income tax remittance.
Numbers racket gone CO2.
Who the bag man?

Jack Simmons
January 7, 2011 8:02 pm

I would be very happy to print up these documents and sell them to AGW folks.
This would be a home based business that would really pay off.

Mesa Econoguy
January 7, 2011 8:06 pm

The problem with carbon offsets is they are fundamentally a derivative – something which is now front and center of the SEC’s radar. Banking is under even more scrutiny, and banks holding or sponsoring derivatives is something Dodd-Frank is expressly designed to regulate, so this won’t fly.
The underlying “asset”, such as it is, of carbon offsets is CO2 absorption via various photosynthetic plants and organisms, which is an approximation given size, location, climate (ironically), etc.
So unlike a traditional market-traded asset vehicle, CO2 absorbing asset derivatives are 1) unverifiable, 2) highly variable and 3) therefore unable to be accurately priced, unless you are carbon-religious, i.e. on faith.

Cynthia Lauren Thorpe
January 7, 2011 8:08 pm

This is the kinda stuff that shows you ‘just where’ Australian thought can become dangerous.
Yeah – they’re a lot like fun ‘shrimp on the barbie’ types, true. But – they’ve not EVER truly broken away from ‘Mother England’ and while they don’t talk of their servitude
often…..their actions belie their understanding of the word: Freedom.
Hence – their sometimes harebrained ideas.
from one who lives here…
C.L. Thorpe

Justthinkin
January 7, 2011 8:10 pm

So howza about Carrie sequester HER body for about 30 years,then we can swap it?
Nah.Didn’t think so
How about we just cut off the CO2 supply totally to the ecotards and see how long they last?

Cynthia Lauren Thorpe
January 7, 2011 8:38 pm

I jus’ GOTTA give you guys an example. A REAL example.
Kevin Rudd when he was PrimeMinister, forever acted as if he was a spoil’t’ nasty little boy ~ so ~ he was unceremoniously ‘tossed out’ of his position by his own Party – The Labor Party (what we Americans would call ‘liberals’ but, their Progressives, no doubt about it at all.) (They say as much daily on the ABC, just in ‘Australian-ese’ rather than ‘American-ese’ like on NPR.)
And, now ~ just WHO do you think is in his place???
A proud and unreservedly (may I add) Atheist Redhead in Chief – Ms. Julia Giliard. Their first PM living with her male ‘hair stylist’ ‘partner’ (that’s what they call ‘live ins’ over here…)
Her ONLY claim to fame? She talks real snotty and ‘snarky’ (like we’ve ALL been ‘bad boys and girls’ and I kid you NOT – she acts EXACTLY like she’s Kevin Rudd’s nasty Mum!!! (that’s ‘mother’ for you an’ me)
Yeah, he was booted from his own party ~ and into, no less ~ the U.N. (where attitudes like his, really grow and FLOURISH) while she ~ nasty matron that she seems ~ is from Rudd’s own party. In fact, word has it that she herself orchestrated Rudd’s ‘undiplomatic’ removal, as she was his ‘Assistant’.
They (Julia and Kevvie) are cut from the same cloth and they seem to LOVE the ‘fist in a velvet glove’ that the ‘Green Party’ (read about Bob Brown when you’ve got a moment) will be bringing to the ‘Australian Stage’ in June of this year…
That’s when ‘this climate will change’ will indeed change for the better and the Outback will ‘heat up’ with stuff like Truth rather than ‘stage actors’, guys.
The ‘TEA Party’ movement is already up and gaining momentum around here…
and mebbe soon I’ll be able to pick my cocinas (cockles) as I drive up the beach IN my 4-wheel drive ute…
ONE MORE THING FOR ANIMAL LOVERS!
FACT! The Government down here below the Coorong has begun to prohibit folks from hunting deer in certain “designated” places ~ cool, right? I mean, I liked Bambi, too! But, what they DID AFTERWARD??? The Government brought in Army helicopters and literally swooped the Coorong for days… indiscriminately killing deer
with high powered rifles (now this is FROM the ‘copters, mind you) and ‘they’ say that real ‘hunters’ with real tracking skills and cross bows and such…can’t feed their
families venison.
Just a FACTUAL example of the definition of ABSURDLY ‘GREEN’ GOVERNMENT, sad to say.
With a Beef, as is usual… and forever askin’ when sanity is comin’ back to stay…
Cynthia Lauren Thorpe
C.L. Thorpe

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