Cosmically, Heliospherically, and Terrestrially, FYI

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Last night I decided to have a look at the Space Weather Prediction Center solar charts to see how the geoplanetary magnetic index (Ap) was doing, and decided since I was too tired, I’d put it off until this morning. In my morning sweep of comment moderation, I saw a graph link from WUWT regular “Vukcevic” which was interesting, especially since we’ve had a recent report on the CERN CLOUD experiment designed to prove/disprove the solar-magneto-modulates-cosmic rays-modulates-terrestrial clouds-changes albedo-makes earth warmer/cooler theory, so what follows is sort of cosmic-heliosphere-terrestrial collection of stuff.

First, the Ap index – surprisingly, after a shot upwards this spring, it is still bouncing along the bottom:

Not encouraging.

And the other solar indices are anemic as well. We should be well into the next cycle, but it seems like the solar magneto is still parked in the garage making this sound, picked up by solar listening posts around the world.

Note the difference between the red line (forecast) and the black line (observations).

The slope of the 10.7cm flux also doesn’t look encouraging.

Here’s the neutron flux plot I spoke of at the beginning, plotting Thule Greenland against the sunspot number:

The more neutrons, the more cosmic rays. Here’s how it works, from the University of Delaware page Listening for Cosmic Rays:

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Cosmic rays do not get far into the atmosphere before they collide with nitrogen or oxygen molecules in the air. The collision destroys the cosmic ray particle and the air molecule, and then several new particles emerge. Cosmic rays from space are termed “primary,” and any particles created in the atmosphere from collisions are termed “secondary.” A bit of energy is transferred to each new secondary particle. Secondary cosmic rays spread out and continue to hit other particles and air molecules, creating a cascade of particles showering towards the ground. Figure 2 shows how the particles shower to the ground. The number of secondary cosmic rays in the atmosphere increases to a maximum, and then diminishes as the energy fades closer to the ground. Because of atmospheric absorption, low energy particles are plentiful and high energy particles are rare. Scientists studying the neutron monitor data are more interested in the energy of primary cosmic rays, before they are affected by the atmosphere. A typical energy level for a galactic cosmic ray detected by the neutron monitor is 17 billion electron volts. Solar cosmic rays are more concentrated towards lower energies. The ones reaching ground level started out with an average energy of about 3 billion electron volts before meeting the atmosphere.

Primary cosmic rays enter the atmosphere and strike air molecules. This collision produces an array of new secondary cosmic ray particles. Each new secondary cosmic ray carries with it a part of the energy and then collides with other air molecules. The cosmic ray shower fades as the energy becomes widely dispersed.
The neutron monitor is in three units. Within each unit are six counters covered by lead casing and polyethylene slabs.

When a cosmic ray hits the atmosphere it produces secondary particles, for example neutrons. The neutrons pass through the atmosphere, through the building, and penetrate the polyethylene and lead casing. The high energy of the cosmic ray particle is reduced by the polyethylene and lead to about l/40 of an electron volt – about the same energy as a regular air molecule. At this energy level, a boron atom in the counter absorbs the neutron, and splits into a fast helium and a fast lithium ion. These energetic ions strip electrons from neutral atoms in the tube, producing a charge in the tube of gas. The charge is detected by the amplifier as one count. Not all neutron monitors are constructed with the lead casing, as the polyethylene is enough to slow the neutron down. The lead increases the neutron count by producing more neutrons as it is bombarded by cosmic rays. Neutron monitors constructed with lead casing count about one neutron for each primary cosmic ray entering the atmosphere through an area equal to the area of the monitor.

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Here’s the last six months from Thule’s neutron monitor, from UD:

That downward spike in August looks to be a Forbush decrease event, likely related to this story we carried on WUWT: Earth Braces for Solar Storm Tonite

As expected, as we get a modest ramp up in solar activity this past year, the trend of neutrons is slightly downward as the solar magnetic field gets a bit stronger, deflecting a few more cosmic rays.

Here’s some early suggestions of correlation from Bago and Butler. The graph composite below is Joe D’Aleo’s from ICECAP:

Chistensen in 2007 suggested a relationship between cosmic rays and radiosonde (upper air) temperatures:

A recent paper published in Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics suggests that the relationship has been established.

Figure 1 below shows a correlation, read it with the top and bottom graph combined vertically.

Fig. 1. (A) Short term GCR change (significance indicated by markers) and (B) anomalous cloud cover changes (significance indicated by solid contours) occurring over the composite period. GCR data sourced from multiple neutron monitors, variations normalised against changes experienced over a Schwabe cycle. Cloud changes are a tropospheric (30–1000 mb) average from the ISCCP D1 IR cloud values. 

As the authors write in the abstract:

These results provide perhaps the most compelling evidence presented thus far of a GCR-climate relationship.

Dr. Roy Spencer has mentioned that it doesn’t take much in the way of cloud cover changes to add up to the “global warming signal” that has been observed. He writes in The Great Global Warming Blunder:

The most obvious way for warming to be caused naturally is for small, natural fluctuations in the circulation patterns of the atmosphere and ocean to result in a 1% or 2% decrease in global cloud cover. Clouds are the Earth’s sunshade, and if cloud cover changes for any reason, you have global warming — or global cooling.

Well, it seems that Laken, Kniveton, and Frogley have found just such a small effect. Here’s the abstract and select passages from the paper, along with a link to the full paper:

Atmos. Chem. Phys., 10, 10941-10948, 2010

doi:10.5194/acp-10-10941-2010

Cosmic rays linked to rapid mid-latitude cloud changes

B. A. Laken , D. R. Kniveton, and M. R. Frogley

Abstract. The effect of the Galactic Cosmic Ray (GCR) flux on Earth’s climate is highly uncertain. Using a novel sampling approach based around observing periods of significant cloud changes, a statistically robust relationship is identified between short-term GCR flux changes and the most rapid mid-latitude (60°–30° N/S) cloud decreases operating over daily timescales; this signal is verified in surface level air temperature (SLAT) reanalysis data. A General Circulation Model (GCM) experiment is used to test the causal relationship of the observed cloud changes to the detected SLAT anomalies. Results indicate that the anomalous cloud changes were responsible for producing the observed SLAT changes, implying that if there is a causal relationship between significant decreases in the rate of GCR flux (~0.79 GU, where GU denotes a change of 1% of the 11-year solar cycle amplitude in four days) and decreases in cloud cover (~1.9 CU, where CU denotes a change of 1% cloud cover in four days), an increase in SLAT (~0.05 KU, where KU denotes a temperature change of 1 K in four days) can be expected. The influence of GCRs is clearly distinguishable from changes in solar irradiance and the interplanetary magnetic field. However, the results of the GCM experiment are found to be somewhat limited by the ability of the model to successfully reproduce observed cloud cover. These results provide perhaps the most compelling evidence presented thus far of a GCR-climate relationship. From this analysis we conclude that a GCR-climate relationship is governed by both short-term GCR changes and internal atmospheric precursor conditions.

I found this portion interesting related to the figure above:

The composite sample shows a positive correlation between statistically significant cloud changes and variations in the short-term GCR flux (Fig. 1): increases in the GCR flux

occur around day −5 of the composite, and correspond to significant localised mid-latitude increases in cloud change. After this time, the GCR flux undergoes a statistically significant decrease (1.2 GU) centred on the key date of the composite; these changes correspond to widespread statistically significant decreases in cloud change (3.5 CU, 1.9 CU globallyaveraged) over mid-latitude regions.

and this…

The strong and statistically robust connection identified here between the most rapid cloud decreases over mid-latitude regions and short-term changes in the GCR flux is clearly distinguishable from the effects of solar irradiance and IMF variations. The observed anomalous changes show a strong latitudinal symmetry around the equator; alone, this pattern

gives a good indication of an external forcing agent, as

there is no known mode of internal climate variability at the

timescale of analysis, which could account for this distinctive

response. It is also important to note that these anomalous

changes are detected over regions where the quality of

satellite-based cloud retrievals is relatively robust; results of

past studies concerned with high-latitude anomalous cloud

changes have been subject to scrutiny due to a low confidence

in polar cloud retrievals (Laken and Kniveton, 2010;

Todd and Kniveton, 2001) but the same limitations do not

apply here.

Although mid-latitude cloud detections are more robust

than those over high latitudes, Sun and Bradley (2002) identified

a distinctive pattern of high significance between GCRs

and the ISCCP dataset over the Atlantic Ocean that corresponded

to the METEOSAT footprint. This bias does not

appear to influence the results presented in this work: Fig. 6 shows the rates of anomalous IR-detected cloud change occurring over Atlantic, Pacific and land regions of the midlatitudes during the composite period, and a comparable pattern of cloud change is observed over all regions, indicating no significant bias is present.

Conclusions

This work has demonstrated the presence of a small but statistically significant influence of GCRs on Earth’s atmosphere over mid-latitude regions. This effect is present in

both ISCCP satellite data and NCEP/NCAR reanalysis data for at least the last 20 years suggesting that small fluctuations in solar activity may be linked to changes in the Earth’s atmosphere via a relationship between the GCR flux and cloud cover; such a connection may amplify small changes in solar activity. In addition, a GCR – cloud relationship may also act in conjunction with other likely solar – terrestrial relationships concerning variations in solar UV (Haigh, 1996) and total solar irradiance (Meehl et al., 2009). The climatic forcings resulting from such solar – terrestrial links may have had a significant impact on climate prior to the onset of anthropogenic warming, accounting for the presence of solar cycle relationships detectable in palaeoclimatic records (e.g.,Bond et al., 2001; Neff et al., 2001; Mauas et al., 2008).

Further detailed investigation is required to better understand GCR – atmosphere relationships. Specifically, the use of both ground-based and satellite-based cloud/atmospheric monitoring over high-resolution timescales for extended periods of time is required. In addition, information regarding potentially important microphysical properties such as aerosols, cloud droplet size, and atmospheric electricity must also be considered. Through such monitoring efforts, in addition to both computational modelling (such as that of Zhou and Tinsley, 2010) and experimental efforts (such as that of Duplissy et al., 2010) we may hope to better understand the effects described here.

It seems they have found the signal. This is a compelling finding because it now opens a pathway and roadmap on where and how to look. Expect more to come.

The full paper is here: Final Revised Paper (PDF, 2.2 MB)

We all await the result of the CLOUD experiment from Jasper Kirkby. Hopefully it will define this cosmic ray issue with more clarity.

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MattB
December 19, 2010 5:22 am

Hmm, we seem to be experiencing an Anti-Watts-Effect event. This time when Anthony started talking about the sun, the sun went blank of sunspots ( http://www.spaceweather.com )
Sunspot number: 0
What is the sunspot number?
Updated 18 Dec 2010
Spotless Days
Current Stretch: 1 day
2010 total: 46 days (13%)
2009 total: 260 days (71%)
Since 2004: 813 days
Typical Solar Min: 486 days
Updated 18 Dec 2010

December 19, 2010 5:25 am

@G. E. Pease says:
December 18, 2010 at 5:19 pm
“Yet, Svensmark and Friis-Christensen have shown evidence of very good post-2004 anticorrelation of GCR’s to tropospheric temperature.”
I would prefer to look at raw data. The anti-correlation of GCR’s to cloud cover still exists from 2004.
“The intermediate cooling mechanism of low clouds appears to be somewhat more complicated.”
But do they keep more heat in at night than reducing daytime temp`s ?

December 19, 2010 5:28 am

Great article btw Anthony. It always boggles my mind how you manage to run a business, run and moderate this blog (with such expertise and courtesy) and write articles that are not just good but excellent.
What was that? “Nobody can touch the Rev”? Well I think you deserve a Nobel for Churchillian stamina and brilliant words.

December 19, 2010 5:52 am

Jeff (of Colorado) says:
December 18, 2010 at 1:35 pm
If a near-by star went nova, then when it’s cosmic rays hit our atmosphere, that would cause an increase in heat reflecting clouds. The closer and bigger the nova the (perhaps) bigger the effect. Could this be the cause of the “snowball earths” in the past? Would geologic nitrogen/oxygen isotope studies reveal some ratio to be a proxy for cosmic ray increases?
Jeff, see the papers by Jan Veizer linking GCRs to ice ages, an overview is given here.
[PDF]
Chapter 11 – The Resilient Earth
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – Quick View
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDEQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theresilientearth.com%2Ffiles%2Fpdfs%2Fthe_resilient_earth-chapter_11.pdf&rct=j&q=JAN%20VEIZER%20GCR%20ICE%20AGE&ei=BgwOTZn_GMSwhQeVkrG3Dg&usg=AFQjCNG87YmPUATMvLImxBGr2rWi9tskyQ

December 19, 2010 6:21 am

CRS, Dr.P.H. says:
December 18, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Leif, where the heck are you??
Having a life….
Solar activity is BTW where it is predicted [by me] to be. Cycle 24 looks like it will be the weakest cycle in a 100 years. The SWPC plot in this posting is based on a too high solar maximum [90], whereas something around 70 looks more likely http://www.leif.org/research/Active%20Region%20Count.png. Now, weak cycles often show large fluctuations [e.g. cycle 14: http://www.leif.org/research/SC14.png ], and SC24 seems to have those too, as expected.
In general, the Sun is where it was 107 years ago, so if solar activity is a major driver, the climate should also be what it was back then. By invoking suitable, variable lags, one can get around this [and any other objections], but the correlations show no lag between cloud cover and GCRs [perhaps there are compensating lags 🙂 ].
Cosmic rays: the variation of cosmic rays due to the changing magnetic field of the Earth is much larger than that due to the changing field of the Sun, so we should see much larger effects of the former [and we don’t – e.g. the Earth’s field has weakened 10
% the past 150 years, so we should now see more GCRs with colder climate compared to 150 years ago, and we don’t]. At any rate, the variation of GCRs due to the Sun is tiny [a few percent – the small wiggles on http://www.leif.org/research/CosmicRays-GeoDipole.jpg ], so would have a tiny effect.
Geomagnetic activity: is always lower [typically some 20%] at the solstices, so no surprise there.

Carla
December 19, 2010 9:22 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 6:21 am
..Geomagnetic activity: is always lower [typically some 20%] at the solstices, so no surprise there.
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It is?
Sure hoping you have read this in its entirety.
Frisch team has been working hard this year. Another goody besides the one below is, “The S Shell and Interstellar Magnetic Field and Gas near the Heliosphere,” and yet another this year, “Comparisons of the Interstellar Magnetic Field directions obtained from the IBEX Ribbon and Interstellar Polarizations.”
The article on polarizations, depicts the IBEX ribbon in galactic coordinates, I no longer feel upside down. lol The descriptions of our location within the S1 shell and the boundary to the S2 shell are quite interesting. .
“””Time-variability in the Interstellar Boundary Conditions
of the Heliosphere over the past 60,000 years:
Impact of the Solar Journey on the Galactic Cosmic Ray Flux
at Earth
Priscilla C. Frisch • Hans-Reinhard Mueller
Received: date / Accepted: date
Abstract During the solar journey through galactic space, variations in the physical
properties of the surrounding interstellar material (ISM) modify the heliosphere and
modulate the flux of galactic cosmic rays (GCR) at the surface of the Earth, with
consequences for the cosmogenic radionuclides at Earth. The diverse ram pressures
and ionization levels of ISM possible in the low density solar environment generate
dramatically different possible heliosphere configurations, with a wide range of particle
fluxes of interstellar neutrals and their secondary products, as well as GCR arriving at
Earth. However, simple models of the distribution and densities of ISM in the downwind
direction give cloud transition timescales that can be directly compared with
cosmogenic radionuclide geologic records. Both the interstellar data and cosmogenic
radionuclide data are consistent with cloud transitions within the past 10,000 years
and 20,000–30,000 years ago, although the many assumptions about the ISM that are
made in arriving at these numbers indicate that the uncertainties are quite large.
1 Introduction
.. The sensitivity of the heliosphere configuration to the total interstellar pressure, including
the dynamic ram pressure and magnetic pressure (Holzer 1989) indicate that the global
heliosphere is a weather vane for the circumheliospheric ISM (CISM). Sufficient data
on interstellar absorption lines are now available that the general characteristics of
the circumheliosphere ISM can be reconstructed for the past _ 100, 000 years (Section
2), providing a basis for evaluating the ISM-modified heliosphere (Section 3), and
comparing these historical variations with the geologic radio-isotope record (Section
4). Any scenario connecting features in the geomagnetic record with interstellar cloud
encounters will necessarily include assumptions about the ISM, as well as an incomplete
understanding of galactic cosmic ray (GCR) modulation for variable heliosphere
configurations. Our conclusions below linking cloud transitions to discontinuities in the
geologic radioisotope record are subject to these uncertainties..
2 Contemporary and Paleointerstellar CISM
2.1 Dynamics, Structure, and Interstellar Magnetic Field in contemporary ISM
.. The CLIC is a decelerating flow of ISM. ISM kinematics towards nearby stars
show the galactic environment of the Sun changes rapidly. From upwind to downwind,
interstellar velocities in the solar inertial system (”heliocentric”, HC) are –28.4 km s−1
towards 36 Oph, 26.3 km s−1 in the inner heliosphere, and 23.4 km s−1 towards χ1
Ori. If all other cloud parameters are the same, there is a 50% difference in the ram
pressures of these clouds, which alone leads to a significant distortion of the heliosphere.
Using VHC for nearby clouds in Table 1, variations in the interstellar ram pressure on
the heliosphere may be a factor of 4.2 over the past..”””
CLIC – Cluster of Local Interstellar Clouds

Rabe
December 19, 2010 9:34 am

Dave Springer:

..there was a press release by NASA recently that Voyager one had reached the point where the solar wind comes to a complete halt. You can can that electric universe theory unless facts don’t have any place in electric universes.

The electro-magnetic potential difference between our galaxy and the solar system can be very faint (about 40 orders of magnitude smaller) compared to the gravitational force needed by a postulated 80/20 ratio of dark/visible matter. How would you tell what type of force attracts sol ? So what NASA measured are the local conditions near the solar system which are pretty consistent. What facts do you mean? Can you provide a link?

December 19, 2010 9:44 am

Carla says:
December 19, 2010 at 9:22 am
“..Geomagnetic activity: is always lower [typically some 20%] at the solstices”
~It is?

Yes it is. This has been known for at least 150 years. E.. http://www.leif.org/research/Semiannual%20Variation%201954%20and%201996.pdf
Sure hoping you have read this in its entirety.
I have, but it is not relevant to the topic, as variations in the interstellar environment have time scales of thousands of years.

rbateman
December 19, 2010 10:01 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 6:21 am
I have SC24 the weakest since 1876, and 2008-1876=132 years.
The current cycle is still a half-dozen steps beyond the starting line, tying it’s shoelaces, the other runners having disappeared around the first bend of the track.

rbateman
December 19, 2010 10:09 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 9:44 am
as variations in the interstellar environment have time scales of thousands of years.

As measured by what instrument? Voyager did not take thousands of years to cross any of the boundaries it has met.
Have a look at what Hubble has unearthed when it comes to gas and dust boundaries around birthing and exploding stars.
If we are going to invoke Galactic Astrophysics into this discussion, then we need to hear from Astrophysicists specializing in this Galaxy.

December 19, 2010 10:24 am

rbateman says:
December 19, 2010 at 10:01 am
I have SC24 the weakest since 1876
1876 was a solar minimum year…
See figure 10 of http://www.leif.org/research/2009JA015069.pdf
Cycle 12 was a small cycle too [as was SC20], but the Heliospheric magnetic field in 1876 was still not as low as in 2009. Cycle 13-14 transition matches 23-24 very well including the low HMF. But in any case, activity is and will stay low, so solar conditions are back to 107 years ago. I don’t think terrestrial climate is [for whatever reason].

Robin Pittwood
December 19, 2010 10:37 am

Thank you Anthony, This article is absolutely amazing. How you manage to find the time to do all this I’ll never know. I can barely find the time to read what you write. You are one very bright and hard working fellow. Enjoy the Christmas holiday with your family, and I wish you good health, prosperity, and lot’s of fun for the new year. Robin.

December 19, 2010 11:36 am

rbateman says:
December 19, 2010 at 10:09 am
As measured by what instrument? Voyager did not take thousands of years to cross any of the boundaries it has met.
Those boundaries were within or at the edge of the heliosphere, and thus local. The solar system moves at a very slow pace through vast interstellar clouds. The GCRs give us information of this environment and we have still to see any evidence of short-term variations of GCRs [apart from the tiny solar-caused one]. The paper Carla referred to states “Sun would cross these clouds with a mean crossing time of ∼ 47, 000 years”.

rbateman
December 19, 2010 12:44 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 10:24 am
But in any case, activity is and will stay low, so solar conditions are back to 107 years ago. I don’t think terrestrial climate is [for whatever reason].
I’ll give a go at the reason: Terrestrial Climate Reporting is in the doldrums, and it ain’t what it used to be.
For example – the Antarctic blast that got loose all the way up to the Equator last June/July was blacked out in the press. And then there is the surface station massacre of the 90’s and 2000’s followed by Hansen’s Hamburger Hill adjustments.
The local climate you and I live in is back to the late 70’s, and it’s making good progress further backwards.
Unless and until this low to very low solar activity gets jump started, it’s an avalanche.

rbateman
December 19, 2010 12:50 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 11:36 am
Yes, and that is the only probe-based empirical data we have.
The rest is AstroImaging based. The Astrophysicits work wonders with what they have, but they are not magicians.
As far as images go, all indications are that dusty edge-on spirals have rather sharp boundaries.
Remember also NASA’s finding on the ACR’s getting sucked up the solar envelope tailpipe.

psi
December 19, 2010 1:35 pm

Tilo Reber says:
December 18, 2010 at 10:10 am
Can we get Leif to tell us that everything is going just as expected now? I’m still trying to figure out what Leif’s position is on cosmic rays. I think he is taking the side of “no significant effect on climate”. I’m taking the other side.
If memory serves, Lief had very disparaging words to say about Svensmark in an exchange a couple of years back. I don’t remember the exact adjective he used, but it was one those one-word arguments which made it clear that no one should pay any attention to the man behind the curtain pulling the levers of public opinion. Perhaps subsequent events will induce him to reconsider.

G. E. Pease
December 19, 2010 2:18 pm

Dave Springer says:
December 18, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Jeff (of Colorado) says:
December 18, 2010 at 1:35 pm
“If a near-by star went nova, then when it’s cosmic rays hit our atmosphere, that would cause an increase in heat reflecting clouds. The closer and bigger the nova the (perhaps) bigger the effect. Could this be the cause of the “snowball earths” in the past? Would geologic nitrogen/oxygen isotope studies reveal some ratio to be a proxy for cosmic ray increases? This would be a challenge as catastrophic events like novas are not cyclic. We can, however, date novas based on astronomy. This could identify ‘one time events’ that make finding the cyclic patterns difficult.”
I thought of that other day. There hasn’t been a supernova visible to the naked eye since 1604 and that one was right on the heels of one in 1573. The sun was in a deep solar minimum already then close back-to-back supernovas popped off. Talk about a perfect storm. The Little Ice Age is the possible result.
The GCRs from the supernovas wouldn’t arrive until years after the visible light was seen. The energy in the GCR is proportionate to its speed. The high energy ones of interest are travelling 99.0 – 99.9% speed of light which from a distance of say 10,000 light years (about the average distance away of the two mentioned above) means the highest energy GCRs begin arriving 10 years after the visible light is seen and keep on coming for the next 100 years with declining energies – the higher the energy the faster the particle is moving so they sort themselves out by energy level during the journey.
Then you have to go back to 1006 and 1052 for the next ones that were widely visible. The 15th century pair lines up with the Little Ice Age well enough and it was also a deep solar minima at the same time so it was something of a perfect storm.
____________________________________________________________
It is intriguing to think that the supernovae of 1573 and 1604 may have played a significant role in creating the LIA. BTW, there actually has been a recent supernova visible to the naked eye – SN 1987A, magnitude 4.5. It is in the Large Magellanic Cloud, 168,000 light years away: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/iau/lists/Supernovae.html
Wikipedia claims it had a peak magnitude of +3:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1987A
In any event, if the most energetic cosmic rays from 1987A travel to us at 99.9% of the speed of light, it will take 168 years from 1987, or 145 years from now, for the cosmic rays to reach us.
-GEP

Carla
December 19, 2010 4:50 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 9:44 am
Carla says:
December 19, 2010 at 9:22 am
“..Geomagnetic activity: is always lower [typically some 20%] at the solstices”
~It is?
Yes it is. This has been known for at least 150 years. E.. http://www.leif.org/research/Semiannual%20Variation%201954%20and%201996.pdf
~
It seems that you have had your hand in this as well.. I can see how the solar role in this plays out but feel that there is something missing in the analysis of the semiannual variation, like an interstellar inflow bisecting Earth in its orbit semiannually at equinox? How can the interstellar inflow not be a contributor to this enhanced geomagnetic effect? (you do know that there are traces of neon and argon also?) Seems to be what is missing here. But liked the read ..thanks.
One those articles I was reading mentions finding some substantial C out nearby in the very local interstellar neighborhood. Now wouldn’t that be a hoot..C from interstellar origins. lol

Carla
December 19, 2010 5:19 pm

rbateman says:
December 19, 2010 at 10:01 am
Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 6:21 am
I have SC24 the weakest since 1876, and 2008-1876=132 years.
The current cycle is still a half-dozen steps beyond the starting line, tying it’s shoelaces, the other runners having disappeared around the first bend of the track.
~
Was over checking Dr. S.’s, Mean Field Composites page 2 here:
http://www.leif.org/research/Most%20Recent%20IMF,%20SW,%20and%20Solar%20Data.pdf
Compare 2008 with 2010 forget 2009 its smooth enough. Look at it coming down compared to trying to get up. Looks like extra humps in the gears. Quite the bumpy start?
rbateman says:
December 19, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 10:24 am
But in any case, activity is and will stay low, so solar conditions are back to 107 years ago. I don’t think terrestrial climate is [for whatever reason].
I’ll give a go at the reason: Terrestrial Climate Reporting is in the doldrums, and it ain’t what it used to be.
For example – the Antarctic blast that got loose all the way up to the Equator last June/July was blacked out in the press. And then there is the surface station massacre of the 90′s and 2000′s followed by Hansen’s Hamburger Hill adjustments.
The local climate you and I live in is back to the late 70′s, and it’s making good progress further backwards.
Unless and until this low to very low solar activity gets jump started, it’s an avalanche.
~
Wow Rob, I expected a lag time and fluxuations in the atmosphere, jetstream etc. there was a lot of heat, to push around. And thought that mankinds contribution would prolong the inevitable return to cooler temps. But what was this, ” Antarctic blast that got loose all the way up to the Equator last June/July was blacked out in the press.”???

CRS, Dr.P.H.
December 19, 2010 5:25 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 6:21 am
CRS, Dr.P.H. says:
December 18, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Leif, where the heck are you??
Having a life…
—–
HAW! I knew I could depend upon you!
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and the family, Leif! Thanks as always for your insightful comments!

December 19, 2010 6:30 pm

rbateman says:
December 19, 2010 at 12:50 pm
As far as images go, all indications are that dusty edge-on spirals have rather sharp boundaries.
We are not near any known boundary and won’t be for thousands of years.
You can always postulate unknown boundaries of unknown thickness to be crossed at unknown times, but then I would not place place much credence in your position.
psi says:
December 19, 2010 at 1:35 pm
no one should pay any attention to the man behind the curtain pulling the levers of public opinion.
Indeed, that fits perfectly well the carefully dripple of ‘news’ from ‘CERN’ [which BTW is not running this experiment – just lending unused capacity to the lever-pullers].
G. E. Pease says:
December 19, 2010 at 2:18 pm
In any event, if the most energetic cosmic rays from 1987A travel to us at 99.9% of the speed of light, it will take 168 years from 1987, or 145 years from now, for the cosmic rays to reach us.
You forgot three zeroes somewhere…
Carla says:
December 19, 2010 at 4:50 pm
an interstellar inflow bisecting Earth in its orbit semiannually at equinox? How can the interstellar inflow not be a contributor to this enhanced geomagnetic effect?
because the effect changes equally much during the Universal Time day, de[ending on the instantaneous angle between the direction to the Sun and the geomagnetic dipole axis. This angle changes through the year [due to orbiting the Sun] and during the day [due to Earth’s rotation]. Also, there is simply no interstellar inflow [except of neutral stuff – e.g. dust – that does not interact magnetically].

December 19, 2010 6:52 pm

G. E. Pease says:
December 19, 2010 at 2:18 pm
You forgot three zeroes somewhere…
We have already observed 8 neutrinos. The rest of the cosmic rays will take millions of years to work their way through the tangled magnetic fields.

MattB
December 19, 2010 7:32 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 6:30 pm
G. E. Pease says:
December 19, 2010 at 2:18 pm
In any event, if the most energetic cosmic rays from 1987A travel to us at 99.9% of the speed of light, it will take 168 years from 1987, or 145 years from now, for the cosmic rays to reach us.
You forgot three zeroes somewhere…

No, the math is correct. If the cosmic rays are moving at 99.9% the speed of the visible light which has already reached earth from 168,000 LY away, then the cosmic rays will only be 0.001% behind the visible light, or 168 years from 1987.

MattB
December 19, 2010 7:33 pm

err 0.1%, multiplier was .001

G. E. Pease
December 19, 2010 9:39 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
December 19, 2010 at 6:52 pm
G. E. Pease says:
December 19, 2010 at 2:18 pm
You forgot three zeroes somewhere…
We have already observed 8 neutrinos. The rest of the cosmic rays will take millions of years to work their way through the tangled magnetic fields.
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Fair enough, Leif. I am willing to qualify my previous statement. Hypothetically speaking, only if some of the more energetic cosmic rays (very high energy protons, for example) could hypothetically travel in approximately a straight line (~168,000 light-years in length) from SN 1987A to Earth at (hypothetically) 99.9% of the speed of light, would they arrive here in ~145 years.