My parents used to talk about rationing during the war with great apprehension. Clearly the nutters in and supporting Cancun are clueless as to how such a scheme would be viewed by the public. My inbox has lit up today from all around the world over this issue. Short of Climategate itself, I haven’t quite seen any other similar reaction.
Excerpts from the Telegraph: Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world
Global warming is now such a serious threat to mankind that climate change experts are calling for Second World War-style rationing in rich countries to bring down carbon emissions.
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In a series of papers published by the Royal Society, physicists and chemists from some of world’s most respected scientific institutions, including Oxford University and the Met Office, agreed that current plans to tackle global warming are not enough.
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In one paper Professor Kevin Anderson, Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, said the only way to reduce global emissions enough, while allowing the poor nations to continue to grow, is to halt economic growth in the rich world over the next twenty years.
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Prof Anderson admitted it “would not be easy” to persuade people to reduce their consumption of goods
He said politicians should consider a rationing system similar to the one introduced during the last “time of crisis” in the 1930s and 40s.
This could mean a limit on electricity so people are forced to turn the heating down, turn off the lights and replace old electrical goods like huge fridges with more efficient models. Food that has travelled from abroad may be limited and goods that require a lot of energy to manufacture.
“The Second World War and the concept of rationing is something we need to seriously consider if we are to address the scale of the problem we face,” he said.
Full story here: Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world
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Does anyone really want to see a ration stamp like this?
For anyone that wishes to get the Royal Society’s papers referenced in the article, they are available for a limited time download here:
http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/369/1934.toc#content-block
“Unless emissions are reduced dramatically in the next ten years the world is set to see temperatures rise by more than 4C (7.2F) by as early as the 2060s, causing floods, droughts and mass migration.”
And, of the threat of rationing really DOES come true, the world is set to see TEMPERS rise drastically by 2012, causing mass migrations from certain parties.
And as usual, not a single peep from the Australian MSM. I am spreading this “news” as far and as wide as I can. This may turn out to be very damaging for the alarmists, I certainly hope so.
Will anyone be even talking about Cancun after this Thursdays ET announcement by Nasa 2pm EST
Just watched a newscast on Channel Ten, Australia. Plenty of mention about “climate change”, plenty of talk about setting emissions tagrets, plenty of Politicans stating “it’s getting worse day after day…” (Well it certanily IS getting colder), plenty of Politicians flying off to Cancun, plenty of talk about an AU$40 price per tonne of “carbon emissions” yet ZERO mention of rationing as one potential solution.
Then, right after, the weathercast. Sydney has had it’s coldest, wettest spring since 1999, and noly 4 days over 30c. Brisbane, Queensland, has not had a day over 30c at all this spring. And then scenes of the snow falls, early snow falls, in England.
First day of summer, 1St Dec. Forecast is for wet, cold weather with temps well down on average for this time of year.
Cold NH, cold SH, low Solar activity. Are these people that blind to see that at least the last 4 years in a row have all been colder in both hemispheres?
Meanwhile back at the funny farm known as the BBC, Ecuador wants 3.5 billion for doing……nothing. Listen after the silly [snip] has finished playing around with rubbish she finds on the beach.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00c1sw6/The_Climate_Connection_The_Climate_Connection_2010_The_Selfish_Ape
Isn’t there a name for such a system? Gulag
OK, I read (albeit quickly in a fast skim) the above comments and didn’t see an emphasis on what I think is THE most telling bit:
The goal here is simply wealth redistribution. Let the “poor countries” have all the economic growth, never mind who does all the inventing, investing, and who labored to build the worlds capital stock…. give it to the “poor” countries…
OK, this is pretty clear cut. It’s called “theft”. In some countries we have property rights. (And, I’ll note, in keeping with the above comments about the US 2nd Amendment: the guns with which to protect those rights…) Someone wants to commit theft, no matter how noble, is going to be looking down the barrel of a 12 gauge shotgun; or more. The exact number of guns in the USA is not known, but it’s somewhere around 2 for every man, woman, and child in the country.
So I say “Bring it on.” The faster the better. Just try to put in place rationing. Every time the command economy is tried, it fails, and miserably. The quickest way I know of to get the bulk of our citizenry marching (armed and pissed) into Washington is to tell them they need gas rationing books and food rationing books so China and India can take their jobs faster. Just try to tell “Bubba” that there will be a 1 beer limit on Saturday and No Nascar. It won’t be pretty… (But I’ll be happy to shoot a load of pictures for “posterity”… )
“Let them eat cake” will be replaced by “let them take public transit” as a metaphor for stupidity in leadership…
Heck, as long as I get the same rations as Al Gore I’m ok with this scheme.
FrankK November 29, 2010 at 8:45 pm
It’s worse than that, the current President of the Royal Society is also Master of Newton’s old college Trinity, Cambridge.
Lets see the evidence that it’s such a serious threat … As the snow piles up.
When you are reduced to lies, your cause is dead. When your cause is reduced to laughter, you really should take what is left of your dignity and move on. Didn’t the CCX die a few weeks back? So how will we trade breaths?
Read the comments on the article at the Telegraph. There is no support for the eco-fascism promoted by Louise Gray. Ordinary citizens of the UK can see through the climate change scam.
Many rich countries now have deep debt and financial troubles that force them to borrow further, then they are expected to give more climate money to poorer countries, then they are urged not to grow economically for 20 years. Wow!
Steve Fitzpatrick says:
November 29, 2010 at 7:42 pm
“Al Gored ,
I say the article is reasonable because it points out the very large uncertainties in sea level rise, and suggests a likely range of rise that overlaps the range many non-climate scientists would consider credible…. no claims of Florida, New York City, and London going under water. That is, not so much to get alarmed about.”
OK. Makes sense. So, compared to the other papers, that one is better than rubbish. Let’s call it compost.
How are those Pol-Pot fans gonna travel to Can(t)cun ?
@ur momisugly E. M. Smith: I was about to indulge a niggle I have with the “Let them eat cake” quote, but that became secondary when I applied what I believe is the correct interpretation and realized the translation of the full sentence actually illustrates the mindset and confusion of the AWG fraternity rather well:
“Finally I recalled the last retort of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread, and who responded: Let them eat brioche.” — Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s Confessions
As brioche is a luxury bread enriched with eggs and butter, it would reflect the princess’s obliviousness to the nature of a famine.
Trondheim (Norway) experiences coldest November in 222 years.
http://www.aftenposten.no/vaer/article3927193.ece
A place to consider for COP17?
Maybe we can harvest mars bugs. I`m pretty sure my my ol`mums wartime ration recipes will have some suggestions,maybe with spam and powdered egg.
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-167_Astrobiology.html?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4cf43fbcddea338d,0
http://www.billoreilly.com/quiz
10/10.
These threats out of Cancun are acts of desperation.
A child threatening to kill himself by holding his breath.
Imagine what it would be like if they had power.
Tim says:
November 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Precise: The Leftard Bogan Queen has a $395,000 experiment going on Norfolk Island right now.
As Steeptown says above, the article in the UK’s Daily Telegraph about this rationing idea has attracted a good deal of attention, almost all of it in the same vein as the comments here!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/8165769/Cancun-climate-change-summit-scientists-call-for-rationing-in-developed-world.html
Ah, the old soften ’em up routine. They will ‘relent’ on severe rationing and attempt to introduce punative taxes on ‘bad’ goods and services instead, as a ‘favour’ to the public.
Just think of all the nasty co2 and So2 going into the atmosphere from the burning tyres on the barracades!
There is a book written by HG Wells.
“The shape of things to come”
In the book, the unit of currency becomes an air-dollar/energy-dollar, based
on ability to transport a kg (or lb) a certain distance. This unit of currency
is part of a grand global dictatorship.
The beauty or insidiousness of the AGW regulations proposed are that
they ration energy consumption, and if energy consumption is rationed
then one effectively rations income.
Frank K. says:
November 29, 2010 at 5:46 pm
By the way…Here’s Kevin Anderson…
And here’s the “carbon services” company he’s involved with…
Greenstone Carbon Management……………….
It’s easy to dismiss Kevin and his ilk as a bunch of typical dreaming, academic hippie relics – but its really got more sinister than that now.
If you look at the founders and board of his company they’re mainly hard headed bankers, accountants and investors. One of the founders runs a large corporate car leasing business.
Surprisingly, greenie Kevin’s cv on the corporate website says “Prior to his academic work Kevin gained 12 years industrial experience working for Marathon Oil, Hamilton Oil/BHP and P&O shipping………..”
It’s not about “the planet” anymore -“Green” has subtly metamorphasised into “greed”, George Orwell must be chortling in his grave.
“scientists call for rationing in developed world” call on leaders of the western world to commit political suicide
Hansen takes the stand
While the great carbon-dioxide-taxation circus kicks off in Cancun, Hansen is in Britain defending some eco-fascists who want to force us all back into the stone age, based on nothing more than their sense of moral superiority and the carbon dioxide fairy story.
“Activists” (or eco-Fascists, as I prefer to call them) accused of conspiracy to trespass were arrested before they carried out plan to force E.ON’s coal plant at Ratcliffe-on-Soar to shut down
Prof James Hansen Professor James Hansen flew in from the United States to be a defence witness for climate change “activists” charged with trespass.
The anger of 114 “activists” who planned to break into a coal plant near Nottingham was understandable because of the “lies told by governments about climate change,” Nasa’s top scientist told the trial of 20 climate campaigners. (If this is the best the so-called “top” scientist can do, God save us.)
Twenty “activists” are accused of conspiracy to trespass on private property. They were arrested last Easter before the group were able to carry out their plan to force E.ON’s coal plant at Ratcliffe-on-Soar to shut down for a week. The “activists” claim that had they succeeded, 150,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide would not have been emitted.
…That bit about the “150,000 tonnes of CO2” is a lie. E.ON was going to install CO2 removing technology, so the only thing going up the condensers would have been steam.
Hansen, a vocal critic of coal power, told Nottingham crown court: “The fact that we continue to burn more coal and build more coal plants shows governments are not telling the truth “If they are saying they understand climate problem but will continue to burn coal its easy for me to understand that young people get upset, because they know governments are lying or kidding themselves.”
Hansen’s evidence was crucial in the case of the “Kingsnorth six” who broke into the Kent coal-fired power station and scaled a chimney. Their “lawful excuse” defence, that the harm they did was committed to prevent the greater harm of climate change, was successful and they were acquitted in September 2008.
…Got that? Another bunch of sanctimonious eco-Fascists were cleared in a previous trial after Hansen turned up and said exactly what he is saying now.
Sarah Shoraka, biodiversity campaigner with Greenpeace, from North London, was the first defendant in the witness box. Felicity Gerry for the prosecution asked her why, rather than spend £15,000 on the planned plant occupation, the group did not enlist a celebrity like Cheryl Cole to front a “green” campaign to encourage people to wear second hand clothes for example.
Telling the court that she had a compost toilet at home, she also said that the “Meat Free Monday” campaign to cut down on meat consumption and related emissions promoted by Coldplay’s Chris Martin and Sir Paul McCartney was, “quite an effective campaign because some celebrities are involved.”
She suggested the activists should have tried something similar. “Why did you not just do ‘turn off Tuesday or switch off Saturday'”.
Shoraka, who did not deny her involvement in the protest, said that it was not a publicity stunt. She also expressed her frustration at the time with politicians’ failure to ban coal plants: “I was very pessimistic at the time. I did not see there was any political will to go anywhere near tackling this problem. I felt it was hopeless. These people who were supposed to be there to protect us failed in their duty to do that.”
Gerry also asked professor Hansen “it may be suggested… that if we all use biodegradable compost toilets and switch off the lights then that will achieve significant results in reducing the level of CO2. What do you say to that?”
Hansen responded “Unfortunately that will do little good… burning it a little more slowly, being a little more conservative in our use. We are going to have to leave fossil fuels in the ground. The biggest one to leave in the ground is coal.”
Hansen told the court the UK was the world’s biggest carbon polluter on a per-person basis since industrialisation so the onus was on the UK to lead the way in phasing out coal plants.Gerry put it to him: “its grandma”s fault.” Hansen responded: “Yes but grandma didn’t know about it. We do now.”
He also explained that he had begun speaking out more in last five years because he now had grandchildren. “I did not want them to say pa, you understood what was happening but you never made it clear. You can see the changes now. The things which will happen during the lifetime of our young people if we continue as business as usual will dwarf these [current] inconveniences.”
…What Hansen fails to mention is that atmospheric carbon dioxide has a maximum life of ten years, but most of it is absorbed into the sea and biosphere within 14 months. Talking about grandma’s CO2 production as if it’s somehow relevant to today’s climate is just plain lying to the court (again).