During Cancun COP16 – calls for a return to WWII style rationing

My parents used to talk about rationing during the war with great apprehension. Clearly the nutters in and supporting Cancun are clueless as to how such a scheme would be viewed by the public. My inbox has lit up today from all around the world over this issue. Short of Climategate itself, I haven’t quite seen any other similar reaction.

Excerpts from the Telegraph: Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world

Global warming is now such a serious threat to mankind that climate change experts are calling for Second World War-style rationing in rich countries to bring down carbon emissions.

In a series of papers published by the Royal Society, physicists and chemists from some of world’s most respected scientific institutions, including Oxford University and the Met Office, agreed that current plans to tackle global warming are not enough.

In one paper Professor Kevin Anderson, Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, said the only way to reduce global emissions enough, while allowing the poor nations to continue to grow, is to halt economic growth in the rich world over the next twenty years.

Prof Anderson admitted it “would not be easy” to persuade people to reduce their consumption of goods

He said politicians should consider a rationing system similar to the one introduced during the last “time of crisis” in the 1930s and 40s.

This could mean a limit on electricity so people are forced to turn the heating down, turn off the lights and replace old electrical goods like huge fridges with more efficient models. Food that has travelled from abroad may be limited and goods that require a lot of energy to manufacture.

“The Second World War and the concept of rationing is something we need to seriously consider if we are to address the scale of the problem we face,” he said.

Full story here: Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world

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Does anyone really want to see a ration stamp like this?

For anyone that wishes to get the Royal Society’s papers referenced in the article, they are available for a limited time download here:

http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/369/1934.toc#content-block

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Curiousgeorge

I have a Charlie Daniels song for Prof Anderson. “Long Haired Country Boy” .
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs4y5si8DGs ]

Steve from Rockwood

I agree. We should start rationing scientists right away.

PaulH

“…some of world’s most respected scientific institutions…”
Not any more.

Frank K.

“In one paper Professor Kevin Anderson, Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, said the only way to reduce global emissions enough, while allowing the poor nations to continue to grow, is to halt economic growth in the rich world over the next twenty years.”
Translation — Prof. Kevin Anderson has made his money (via research paid for by the U.K. tax payers) and had his fun in the world of cheap energy and plentiful goods. But now he thinks that you and your children do not deserve the same kind of world, so he going to make certain that you suffer for no good reason but to assuage his guilt.
I wonder if they’ll shut down the computer data centers at the Met Office, NASA GISS, Los Alamos, etc. and cut the bloated climate research budgets by 50% in order to reduce their own “carbon footprints.” Nahhh…carbon footprint reduction is for the little people…

These fools know no end to their folly.

val majkus

Steve, maybe just ration alarmists and pontificators of any persuasion

Ed_B

Not bad for a Society that has failed to empirically prove ANY warming due to CO2 has happened.

Bruce

Latest discovery announced at Cancun: a new improved massive black market generator!

carbon-based life form

Fascists.

JFA in Montreal

These guys are economic imbeciles, coated in a thick layer of hubris. I love how they consider rationing the “rich” countries, e.g. the more productive and innovative. They really wet their undies with the fantassy of returning to a pre-industrial era. These are the real danger to a large portion of humanity. The death toll that would ensue due to a severe activity limitation does not seem to bother them very much… They must already have established a nice cottage and a nest’s egg on an idyllic beach in Bengladesh, complete with a gardener and four servants, paid at 3.50US$ a day…

Too bad we can’t vote some scientists out of office.

Phil's Dad

“to halt economic growth in the rich world over the next twenty years.

Prof Anderson admitted it “would not be easy””

Masterful piece of understatement.
What is his “Plan B”?

John Blake

Next up: 800 calories per day; utility settings at maximum 65F in winter, minimum 82F in summer; births limited to one for every three families on pain of Cyklon B up nostrils.
How long before these 10:10 types festoon lamp-posts from Cancun to Valparaiso? As the European Parliament (sic) was asked recently, “Who the hell do you people think you are?”

john ratcliffe

I sometimes wonder if the sole purpose of some institutions is to invent new levels of incompetence, and they then expect others to achieve them. Unfortunately, they appear to have some success.
john r

A, uh, Cancun climate change summit? Why not a Minnesota climate change summit? Why not a Scotland climate change summit?

When you stay at a place like this during the conference in Cancun you can feel like WW II rationing is happening
sarc off
http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/11/climate-conferences-is-beginning-in.html#more

Chris Smith

Cough, cough. How many Mansions and swimming pools does Gore have again?

Anything is possible

He said politicians should consider a rationing system similar to the one introduced during the last “time of crisis” in the 1930s and 40s.
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Labour’s 1983 Election Manifesto was widely described as “the longest suicide note in political history.”
Any political party adopting this policy would relegate that document to a very distant second.

Frank K.

By the way…Here’s Kevin Anderson…
And here’s the “carbon services” company he’s involved with…
Greenstone Carbon Management
“Greenstone is a specialist carbon solutions company. We work in partnership with major commercial and public sector organisations to enable them to measure, manage and mitigate their carbon emissions and obligations responsibly.”
So he and his company will be making BIG MONEY while you “decarbonize” to reduce your standard of living!
His appearance at Cancun must be part of their marketing plan…

Christopher

One step closer to the real goal “One world government”. Thats REALLY what this entire global warming movement is about. It has nothing to do with climate, or weather or danger or any of that. Its all about convincing the peasants that a worldwide socialist government is the only future we should hope for. They are just using this as a means to an end.

R. de Haan

I am sure the European Car of the Year 2010 will save us when the lights go out.
Get used to living in an Idiocracy surrounded my madmen.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/11/completely-mad.html

Phil's Dad

John Blake says:
November 29, 2010 at 5:40 pm
“As the European Parliament (sic) was asked recently, “Who the hell do you people think you are?””
‘Think’ and ‘European Paliament’ are not often found in the same sentence.

James Barker

I would be happy to do without, say, 1000 politicians at the local, state, and federal levels. Just want to do my part. Let’s get back to 1950’s staffing levels. That should save some CO2.

Unfortunately even if the “Rich countries” stopped emitting CO2 entirely it wouldn’t make much difference one way or the other…
Unless of course you include India and China in your list of rich countries and I kind of doubt that they are.

Wayne Delbeke

Energy rationing – How much energy does Google use? Maybe they could start by setting an example – Google only to be available on even hours … until they are totally powered by the East Coast Windmill grid they are promoting. Just imagine the savings – computers only turned on on even hours! Plug your electric cars in on odd hours. /sarc off

Tim

An ominous experiment for Norfolk Islanders may be extended globally ‘if successful’.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_why_you_may_soon_need_a_warmists_permission_to_eat/

Phil's Dad

Must use spell checker.
Must use spell checker.
Not enough r’s in European Paliament.
On the other hand…

I say: Go for it!
The seed-capital for making A FORTUNE are just waiting to be made (can you say black market goods/bootlegging?)
It’s how old Joe Kennedy (daddy to John F. and Ted) started his fortune which continues through to this day via the Kennedy Family Trust Fund
And nowadays, diversified trust fund at that: (Time Mag) Nation: Where the Kennedy Money Is
.

BillyV

Bob Tisdale says:
“Too bad we can’t vote some scientists out of office.”
Don’t shoot the messengers. Focus on the real individuals that control your destiny and hold the seats of power.

Dean

Time is running out………………and then the conversation turns……………
………and the claims get Shriller and Shriller!!!

Oakden Wolf

But now he thinks that you and your children do not deserve the same kind of world, so he going to make certain that you suffer for no good reason but to assuage his guilt.

Maybe he doesn’t want the children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren to suffer, and in his prophetic vision of the world to come, he is fairly certain that they will.
If Western economic prosperity was tied to the politics and religions of countries that have a motivation to end the ascendancy of Western civilization as it now exists, I think citizens of the West would be motivated to take fairly strict measures to protect our prosperity and way of life. Of course, that’s just a theoretical situation.
Isn’t it?

Douglas DC

Ok guys you first. No Gulfstreams for you!
the jet that is…

gerard

They are not going to make the mistake of visiting a cold place like Copehagen again.
Anybody for a pina colada?

Ian Middleton

Yep! definately a blackmarket oportunity here. I can almost see some of the proponents of the ration scheme already stockpiling food and fuel for release at a later date for um, lets say a 10 to 15% profit.
I’ll be down on the corner wearing a trenchcoat with a brace of rabbits, a chook and 15 watches in the lining.

Marc77

These people don’t understand the importance of wasting. The Western World has been able to develop a motivated culture which led to an increase in wealth. One important element of our culture is that we produce more than we really need. This leads to waste in the best years, but most importantly, we have enough when a crop failure or anything goes wrong. The cultures who produce only what they need are known to face all kinds of problems when anything goes wrong and they don’t have the motivation to face the bigger challenges.

Judd

There is a line familiar to many: ‘War is the health of the state’. But what is one to do in an era of nuclear weapons where a major war is catastrophic to either party that engages in it? Well, we see the solution right before our eyes. Global warming (or whatever the pr of the day deems it to be)? In an era of relative peacetime why oh why oh why can’t these morons leave ordinary people alone to live thrive and survive. As was done on 11/2 let’s throw their sorry behinds out the door in 2012. H. L. Mencken stated that the practical business of politics was to menace the public with a series of hobgoblins so they’d be clamorous to be led to safety. It’s time for those ‘menacing’ snake oil salesmen to be booted out the door.

SwampWoman says:
November 29, 2010 at 5:42 pm
A, uh, Cancun climate change summit? Why not a Minnesota climate change summit? Why not a Scotland climate change summit?

The bikinis are MUCH smaller in Cancun.

Marc77

…and don’t tell me we over use the resources of the planet. Our population has plateaued because we prefer to have more than we need instead of having as many children we can feed. In the end, wasting means a lower limit of population and everybody has what they need even in bad years.

George Turner

The WW-II rationing in America was accompanied by truly massive increases in production and emissions. Similarly, I’m sure the new rationing scheme would see massive shipments of coal-derived products from China and India swamping western markets.

Enginear

How about we use my version of the precautionary principle? Rather than reshaping the world economy, we don’t do anything different for ten or twenty years and see how well the forecast is shown to represent the real world. If it is anything like the last twenty years then I doubt there will be anything showing a need for action (Global warming wise).
I’m not old enough to have seen any rationing but I did study history and in the US the rationing wasn’t exactly fair and equitable. And the idea that the economy can be controlled like adjusting a thermostat is absurd. If these tactics are attempted by any government(s) in the west, it will end in a tragic fashion.
For those of you not in the US this is why we insist on the right to bear arms. When you have no access to weapons you are the mercy of your masters. I don’t advocate taking up arms against the government unless the government leaves no other option. The fact that we can helps our leaders understand the limits of their intended power. Please don’t take this as my call to arms as I am only saying that in the US a rationing law for preventing climate change is very unrealistic because we simply wouldn’t accept it and can do something about it. The truth is the pathetic arms we do have could easily be overcome by use of government force but the idea still scares the politicos.
Any one here that has not or is not contacting their representatives in their government urging them not to support such craziness should do so as soon as possible. Even if you believe in CAGW it doesn’t necessarily follow that you would support this rationing. That would be giving total control of your very survival to others. The very idea that this could be brough up as an actual plan tells a lot about the planners. Chairman Mao would be smiling now.
That’s my rant go ahed tear it up,
Barry Strayer

tom

LOL, Why should I buy an electric car? My ration coupon won’t provide me with enough electricity to heat my home AND drive my car.
This is the biggest redistribution scam the world has ever seen. If not for the climategate stooges, they might have gotten away with it.

Iggy Slanter

They say ‘rationing’, but they mean ‘command economy’. With themselves as the enlightened rulers of course. And they must be compensated properly for their enlightenment, of course. Maoism by another name.

d

How can anyone take anything here seriously. they are meeting in a plush tropical resort, 5 star hotels, luxury everywhere you look, to discuss WWII-style rationing.

BillyV says: “Focus on the real individuals that control your destiny…”
I’m well focused on the only person who ultimately controls it.

James Allison

Maybe these scientists who represent our most respected scientific institutions are jesting between themselves. You know the one – lets see who can come up with the most economically destructive idea. Hey Prof Anderson if you read this, can I play, please please!

HankHenry

I drove by the local high school today and the parking lot was full of cars belonging to or at least used by students.
What would happen if someone proposed that high school and college kids should hand over the keys to their cars and walk to school?

Steve Fitzpatrick

I read all the Royal Society abstracts, and skimmed most of the articles. Outside of the article on sea level change (which is at least reasonable), they are total rubbish; endless alarmism based on the assumed accuracy of IPCC and climate model projections of future warming. All assume a climate sensitivity of 3+C per doubling of CO2. Just rubbish.
I expect this is one of the last desperate gasps of alarmist climate scientists before the reality of much lower climate sensitivity crushes their wild-eyed predictions of doom.

Tim

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11838567
I guess that is why they make these announcements in Mexico.

Dennis Wingo

Here is my question prefaced by the statement that we are told that we have to listen to the wisdom of climate scientists on climate because they are the experts. Well I am an expert on technology and I say that climate scientists need to shut the hell up about things they know nothing about.
You want to “solve” the CO2 problem of hydrocarbon burning? Build 1500 nuclear plants, a mixture of uranium and thorium burning plants, and the problem is solved. Waste? We have solved that one as well.

John M

If you really want to blow an irony meter, you can print this on the back of that Al Gore rationing card:

You ought to have the choice to get in your car, turn on your engine, and go where you want, all at a reasonable price to you and your family.

Interesting what running for office will do to one’s perspective (especially someone who’s principles seem so…er…malleable).
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/economy/july-dec00/oil_9-21.html
Mind you, this was all when the price of oil was an unbearable $34/barrel.
What a difference a decade makes.