Guest post by Matt Ridley (with permission, from his blog The Rational Optimist h/t to Indur Goklany)
UPDATE: David MacKay’s letter is now up in a separate post here
Some weeks ago I wrote an article for The Times about why I no longer find persuasive the IPCC’s arguments that today’s climate change is unprecedented, fast and dangerous.
I was delighted to receive a long and courteous letter from David MacKay, the chief scientific advisor to Britain’s Department of Energy and Climate Change. With his permission I am publishing my reply to that letter. I would put his letter here too (again he agrees), but I only have a hard copy of it, so that will have to follow when he has time to send me a soft version.Now done.
The remarkable thing about this exchange is that far from weakening my doubts about the IPCC case, it has strengthened them. The letter explains why. Essentially, I have realised that almost the only weapons left in the alarm locker are the retreat of the Arctic sea ice and an event that happened 55m years ago and was probably not caused by CO2 at all. Everything else — the CO2-temperature correlation in the Antarctic ice core, the hockey stick, storm frequency, phenology, etc etc — no longer supports the argument that something unprecedented in magnitude or rate is happening. Remarkable.
Here is my letter:
Dear David
I am honoured that you liked my book and I liked yours very much indeed: a brilliant and necessary contribution to the debate. Though it arrived late in my writing process, I managed to squeeze in several references to it in the penultimate chapter of mine.
Thank you for taking the trouble to give such a detailed reply to my Times article – much longer than the constraints of the Times op-ed page allowed for me! I shall now indulge in a longer reply. It is certainly nice that the political `climate’ (sic) now allows articles like mine to receive serious replies, rather than accusations of heresy or sin or threats of prosecution as a criminal against humanity. I appreciate that very much. I surmise from your covering note that perhaps your letter is circulated more widely among DECC colleagues and I would be glad for you to circulate this reply, not least to the secretary of state who showed you my article. I shall post this letter on my blog.
I am surprised to find that I agree with much of your letter, but it changes almost none of my conclusions. How can this be? The gap between the science and how it has been presented is huge. This is as much the fault of bodies like the Royal Society, which should have been a brake on politically inspired extreme statements but was not, as it is of the media. You say scientists know how big the uncertainties are and that the failure to ensure that uncertainties are reported has contributed to the problem. I agree and I wish that the science establishment had paid this issue more attention. They allowed and encouraged their spokesmen to peddle the very opposite impression.
Consider this statement for example: `Earth’s climate can only be stabilized by bringing carbon dioxide emissions under control in the twenty-first century.’ That is the opening sentence of a paper in Nature Geoscience last month. It is shocking that it got past the editors and reviewers. After 4 billion years of climatic volatility, much of it not caused by CO2 but by orbital variations, solar cycles and so on, how on earth are we to `stabilise’ earth’s climate by adjusting just one forcing factor? I refuse to accept that the climate could ever be stabilised, let alone by adjusting one factor. That sentence has no place in a scientific journal.
Taking your points in turn, then:
You say most climate scientists are nicer than their caricature on the web. I agree, but so are most sceptics. The image of the politicised, right-wing, anti-science zealot fits some, of course, just as the reverse fits Jim Hansen, Bob Ward and Joe Romm, but the ones whose work I have got to know, such as Andrew Montford and Steve McIntyre are quite different. The polarisation of this issue is a real problem. I learned from writing about the nature-nurture debate that arguments get polarised because people only read their friends’ caricatures of their opponents’ works; it is vital that we all read all sides of the argument.
Next you criticise my argument that current warming is not `unprecedented’ by reference to the Arctic sea ice graph. But this only goes back to 1979! Blackpool’s Football League table position is unprecedented since 1979. In a brief period of warming, of course the warming is unprecedented. You will know the ample anecdotal evidence that Arctic sea ice retreated just as much in the 1920s and 1930s: remember `Warming island’ for example. There is also good evidence from wave-made beaches and driftwood in Northern Greenland of probably ice-free summer months in the Arctic 7,000 years ago. A study published in the journal Quaternary Research of sea sediment cores in the Chukchi Sea shelf in the Arctic Ocean concluded that `during the middle Holocene the August sea surface temperature fluctuated by 5°C and was 3-7°C warmer than it is today’. (Incidentally, I am keen to see a proper test of the hypothesis that black carbon is the main cause of the Arctic sea ice summer retreat of recent years and that cleaning up Chinese coal power stations will reverse the trend. The argument seems quite plausible – and it might explain why Antarctic sea ice has been expanding during the same period — but it needs a test.)
To be honest, whenever that sea-ice graph is used as an argument, I become a little bit more sceptical. If that is the best evidence of something unprecedented, then the case must be weaker than I thought. It is a change that is not even likely to threaten human or animal livelihoods: even with a total late-summer melt (I presume you do not belong to the school of thought that the ice could fail to reform in winter), there is no great albedo feedback at such latitudes because of the angle of the sun in August, and polar bears will expand their range further north or will survive ice-free summer months onshore as they do already in Hudson’s Bay, on Wrangel island and parts of Svalbard (where one once walked round my tent while I slept).
Then you say that if I mean `not unprecedented on 100m year timescales’… But those are not the only two options! I mean not unprecedented in centuries and millennia, ie in human history. It is hugely relevant whether the warming of 1910-40 was as fast as 1980-2010 (it was). It is hugely relevant if the climate was as warm in 1100 AD as now (it probably was) both in attributing cause and in making conclusions about sensitivity.
You will have seen this graph, one of many now making it amply clear that the warmth of the Holocene optimum, peaking about 7,000 years ago, was both global in extent and considerably warmer than today:
And this:
Next you disagree with my characterization that recent warming is not `fast’. Phil Jones himself confirms that the rate of warming in 1975-2009 is statistically indistinguishable in rate from the two other periods of warming in the past 150 years: this is from his interview with the BBC –
| Period | Length | Trend
(Degrees C per decade) |
Significance |
| 1860-1880 | 21 | 0.163 | Yes |
| 1910-1940 | 31 | 0.15 | Yes |
| 1975-1998 | 24 | 0.166 | Yes |
| 1975-2009 | 35 | 0.161 | Yes |
I contend that none of these rates are `fast’. Contrast them with the rate of change now known from 12,000 years ago, characterized by `local, regional, and more-widespread climate conditions [which] demonstrate that much of the Earth experienced abrupt climate changes synchronous with Greenland within thirty years or less’ (Alley 2000. Quaternary Science Reviews 213-226), including `a warming of 7 °C in South Greenland [that] was completed in about 50 years’ (Dansgaard, White and Johnsen 1989, Nature 339: 532). That is a change roughly nine times as fast as has happened since 1980 – in Greenland or anywhere else. Another study gives even bigger numbers, saying that the `abrupt warming (10 ± 4 °C)’ at the end of the Younger Dryas and the warming at the end of a short lived cooler interval known as the Preboreal Oscillation `may have occurred within a few years’ (Kobashi et al 2008 Earth and Planetary Sciences 268:397). Nor was this rate of change confined to Greenland. As one article summarises, `temperatures from the end of the Younger Dryas Period to the beginning of the Holocene some 12,500 years ago rose about 20 degrees Fahrenheit in a 50-year period in Antarctica, much of it in several major leaps lasting less than a decade.’ (Science Daily, Oct 2 1998).
You concede that the rise is running at just 1C per century over the past 50 years, though you do not recognise the degree to which even this is only true of the instrumental record, as adjusted and homogenised by the USHCN and similar bodies. These adjustments have come under question recently since it has become clear that far from correcting for urban warming they seem to be exaggerating it. So the true figure, without adjustments, is probably much closer to that recorded by the SST record and the satellite record, considerably lower than 1C. Here is the US raw data:
And here it is `adjusted’:
The climate is going to have to get a move on if it is hit 3C this century. One-tenth of the century now over and no significant warming yet. This should have been the fastest bit: since the curve is logarithmic, the first 100 ppm of CO2 should produce as much warming as the next 200 ppm.
You then say we should not be blasé about 2C in 200 years. I am sorry but I do not find this convincing for four reasons:
If anybody had adopted a policy in 1810 to affect the climate in 2010, they would have made absurd decisions because of uninvented technologies, etc.
There is lots of evidence that climate change is positive in its impacts up to 2C, especially if it takes 200 years to get there.
Remember most of this warming is predicted to be in cold regions, in winter and at night. The daytime temperature changes in temperate regions in summer would be less than 2C.
The thing I think we should not be blasé about is the cost of measures we are taking today. Biofuel policies have caused real hunger. Wind power policies have caused real fuel poverty. Yet these measures would do a statistically insignificant asterisk towards solving the problem even if the warming was happening fast. I refuse to be blasé about the jobs not created, the landscapes spoiled, the deaths caused by indoor air pollution in Africa because people cook over charcoal and above all the distraction and diversion of funds from real problems, including environmental ones.
You then ask me what I think the sensitivity to CO2 doubling is and you guess that I must think it is outside the range 1.5-4.5C. Actually, I think there are lots of sensitivities within that range that are `fairly minor problems’ and so do many of the studies cited by the IPCC. For Malaria, for example, 2C will produce less than 30,000 extra annual deaths on the million we see today. I think the million is a major problem, the 30,000 in a century’s time is a minor problem. Water shortages? The evidence of Arnell 2004 suggests that 2C of warming will reduce the net number of people at risk of water shortage. Etc etc.
So what do I think the sensitivity is? I have no idea. It could be 1C or lower, it could be 3C, but I think it very unlikely from the latest data that it is going to be as high as 4.5C. (Actually, IPCC says that is unlikely, too, if you read the probability right.) I do know this though: the IPCC’s estimates of the sensitivity are utterly worthless because they all – all – assume net positive feedback. You are quite right that we do not know that clouds have negative feedback for sure, but there is good evidence that they probably do, and just 2% change in the albedo of cloudiness could reverse all CO2’s marginal effect. And you imply that Spencer is a lonely voice in arguing this case. May I refer you to the Nature Geoscience paper quoted above. Despite its catechistic opening sentence, it goes on to say:
It is at present impossible to accurately determine climate sensitivity (defined as the equilibrium warming in response to a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations) from past records, partly because carbon dioxide and short-lived species have increased together over the industrial era. Warming over the past 100 years is consistent with high climate sensitivity to atmospheric carbon dioxide combined with a large cooling effect from short-lived aerosol pollutants, but it could equally be attributed to a low climate sensitivity coupled with a small effect from aerosols. These two possibilities lead to very different projections for future climate change.
Anyway, you agree that climate sensitivity could conceivably be as low as 1C, which is more than the IPCC does, so I should accept this concession with gratitude and I do. It’s a huge change from what was being said by the science establishment two years ago and is still being said by many, namely that 2C is unavoidable.
Then you describe the PETM (it is the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum – the Pliocene came much later), suggesting that I might not know of it. I not only know it but know the more recent data suggesting that carbon emissions can no longer be reliably interpreted as the main cause of warming then. Gerald Dickens of Rice University last year concluded that CO2 did not even double during the PETM and that something other than carbon dioxide caused much of the heating.
I do think it is revealing how much scientists who are alarmed about climate refer to the PETM. Imagine if the sceptics relied heavily on one episode of uncertain causation and effect, little known and not repeated for 55m years! You would say: is that really the best they can do?
You mention the Toarcian event of 183m years ago, which is new to me, but sounds interesting (by the way I do long to get back to a world where one can discuss paleoclimatic episodes as thrilling stories in their own right without having to draw political lessons from them). Yet the very first abstract I read on the subject after googling it talked about species shifting range in response to `a rapid cooling and their gradual return to former habitat areas in the period of warming’. I will need more evidence that carbon was cause rather than effect here: sounds more like a classic volcanic winter story.
Next you say that sea level is a case where the IPCC has been too conservative. But the graph you show has a trend of 3.1mm per year. This equates to 31cm in a century, comfortably within the IPCC’s estimate of 18-59cm in the present century.
Let me make two final points. I have argued that the two main examples you cite – the Arctic sea ice retreat and the PETM – are weak examples on which to build your case. Five or ten years ago I suspect that you would have cited the Vostok ice core record, showing CO2 and temperature in lockstep, and the Hockey Stick graph, showing recent temperature rises to be unprecedented in a thousand years. These two graphs were very, very important in persuading me to rejoin the consensus view in the mid 2000s, after I had moved towards cautious scepticism in the late 1990s. The fact that both are now discredited as evidence of CO2 attribution has been very, very important in sending me back towards scepticism. When the facts changed, I changed my mind. The Vostok graph now unambiguously shows that CO2 rises follow rather than precede warming. The impact of that discovery is huge. The Hockey Stick graph is largely a statistical artefact caused by the inappropriate use of short-centred principal component analysis and heavily reliant on geographically narrow and methodologically suspect samples of tree rings. If you have not read Andrew Montford’s The Hockey Stick Illusion to understand this, I do beg you to do so.
My last point is this. We always discuss climate change in isolation, as a unique issue. Yet we cannot ignore the history of past environmental alarms, which I catalogue in my book: on population, famine, pesticides and cancer, desertification, sperm counts, acid rain, GM crops, and many other issues, we have been promised catastrophe, often with the backing of peer-reviewed science, and repeatedly these hopes have been dashed. (You may need to remember to switch your sarcasm detector on when reading the last sentence.) My position is heavily influenced by having been science editor of The Economist during the acid rain scare and having been a full-scale alarmist at the time myself. In 1984 I wrote: `Forests are beginning to die at a catastrophic rate. One year ago, West Germany estimated that 8% of its trees were in trouble. Now 34% are…that forests are in trouble is now indisputable.’ Experts told me all Germany’s conifers would be gone by 1990 and the Federal Ministry of the Interior predicted all forests would be gone by 2002. I was wrong. German forest biomass increased during all these years. Of course, the boy who cries wolf may be right one day. But we are right to grow more sceptical when he keeps being wrong.
Now, if for the past 20 years we had been told that there is a probability of some change in the climate due to CO2, and a very small possibility that it is likely to lead to a drastic lurch, then I could join with you and the consensus. Instead of which I have been repeatedly told that trillions must be spent urgently because there are only a few months to save the world and it is the most urgent problem, more urgent than hunger, malaria and indoor air pollution, likely to lead to the collapse of the entire economy and moreover that the science is settled and to question it is to be equivalent to a criminal. So, apologies if I sound a little exercised on this, but as a huge champion of science I feel very, very let down by the science establishment, especially the laughably poor enquiries on the emails published this year. Ask yourself if these emails had been within a drug company about a drug trial, whether the establishment would have been so determined to excuse them.
Again, I thank you for the courtesy of a proper reply. This is more than I get from most scientists and journalists on this topic. I do not envy the difficult decisions you and your political colleagues face, but I do beg you to review the latest evidence and increase your doubts about the likelihood of catastrophe; also to increase your concern for the costs and damages caused by renewable energy policies.
yours sincerely
Matt
Presumably Geoff Willis (AKA Kagiso) is part of Prof. Abraham’s “Climate Rapid Action Program.” Actually he doesn’t sound British to me. Most of us have a very high tolerance for the Anglo Saxon vernacular.
I very much look forward to Prof. MacKay’s follow up to this.
What Ridley should have written was, “it has become clear that far from correcting for urban warming they seem to be
exaggeratingignoring it.”Really good read.
An absolute pleasure to read a civil and thought provoking exchange from both sides. Cannot help but think that My Ridley wedged this one.
Well, i say edged, i mean demolished.
Well i say demolished, i mean destroyed.
Well i say…..
Sigh. proof reading failure.
Loose the ‘w’ off wedged 🙂
Anthony, Kagiso says “For your information your final comment in reply to my previous post means go and have anal sex. It is deeply offensive in most English speaking cultures. And its use as as an insult is profoundly homophobic.”
I presume you told him to “bugger-off”. In which case, well said my man. It’s a phrase in common English use (including by Edmund BlackAdder et al.), is no more offensive than many other choice phrases (and a lot less offensive than quite a few that spring to mind).
I have also never known it to be taken as homophobic by anyone I know, so quite frankly I think Kagiso is talking out of his arse…
Excellent article by the way, my thanks to Matt Ridley.
Cheers
Mark
Regarding Northern Rock in UK, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ridley
Superficial I’m sure, but it makes Mr. Geoff Willis’ comments seem hyperbolic. Regarding Mr. Ridley’s chosen career, it would appear to be life sciences, not banking. Sorry to be off topic, but just a few seconds of research puts a damper on the objection. It seems telling that the primary spokesman against Mr. Ridley is a cheerleader for alarmism.
Wonderful post from Ridley and a welcome discourse from both sides.
As for Kagiso’s puerile PC intolerance and cack-handed attempts to stifle debate, most of it seems to be barely regurgitated mush from George Monbiot’s (aka Delingpole’s Moonbat) attacks on Ridley in the Grauniad and elsewhere. Once again, barely concealed Neo-Marxist anti-capitalism masquerading as eco-liberal earnest reason. Monbiot is still a big fan of protectionism and collective ownership by the state and used the collapse of Northern Rock to further his own desire to discredit Ridley’s book, “The Rational Optimist”, and the completely unrelated views that Ridley had on the environment. All very cynical and tacky and oh so typical of Moonbat himself. You can certainly critisize Ridley for taking his eye off the ball over Northern Rock, but casting him as the Darth Vader of Capitalism is risible hyperbole.
And now I’m annoyed at myself for being distracted by barely literate trolls such as Kagiso, in marked contrast to the civility of the debate between Ridley and MacKay.
Kagiso wrote “Please take this post down asap, it is a calculated and very unpleasant insult to all your British readers.”
I’m British and I have nothing but admiration for Matt Ridley. His cv states he was a director of Northern Rock, it doesn’t mention him being chairman. I think Kagiso may be a bit confused.
Several years ago I read Matt Ridley’s excellent book Genome. It described how a scientist in the 1920’s or therabouts determined that there were 24 chromosomes in the human genome. This quickly became the scientific consensus and appeared in all the text books for several decades. One group of scientists actually found there were 23. Because their technique was obviously faulty, they abandoned their research.
Just one problem: those researchers were actually right and the consensus was wrong. There are in fact 23 chromosomes in the human genome. Ironically, many of the photographs in the text books actually showed 23 and not 24. It’s a perfect example of how belief can be stronger than raw data. It’s also a perfect example of how the scientific consensus can be completely wrong.
I was fascinated to hear how Ridley was originally sceptical but returned to the fold after the evidence of the ice cores and the hockey stick – and how his scepticism re-emerged after more precise data was taken from the ice cores and the hockey stick was shown to be near-fraudulent.
In this piece he shows almost effortlessly that there is no evidence at all that the climate is being driven by carbon dioxide. It’s not surprising that true believers are terrified by the prospect of real public debate, because they always lose the debate, one example being the recent Oxford Union debate, handsomely won by Christopher Monckton and his team.
If Matt Ridley writes a book about climate change I’ll definitely buy it!
Chris
The Register, a journal for smart people, finds a paper which says how high temperatures and lots of carbon dioxide is good for tropical trees:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/12/global_warming_good_for_rainforests/
This exchange has made my day. Thoughtful positions and I hope the start of a series of calm exchanges that will help to pin the jelly to the wall.
“Five or ten years ago I suspect that you would have cited the Vostok ice core record, showing CO2 and temperature in lockstep… The fact that both are now discredited as evidence of CO2 attribution has been very, very important in sending me back towards scepticism… The Vostok graph now unambiguously shows that CO2 rises follow rather than precede warming.”
Ammonite says: November 11, 2010 at 3:25 pm
This statement illustrates a common misconception. Temperature rises at the end of glacial periods due to changes in the earth’s orbit. Increases in temperature cause CO2 to rise. A principal mechanism is that warmer oceans can hold less CO2. This causes the CO2 rise to lag the temperature rise (by about ~800 years).
The increasing atmospheric concentration of CO2 in turn acts as a forcing to further increase temperature. The two effects are coupled. The suggestion that because increases in temperature can cause increases in CO2 that the reverse is not possible is simply false.
Your response illustrates a common AGW circuitous logic fallacy.
Changes in earths orbit causes temperature to rise. I’m good to go here.
Increasing earth temp causes CO2 outgassing from the oceans. I’m still with you man.
The increasing atmospheric concentration of CO2 in turn acts as a forcing to further increase temperature.We’re on a roll here baby.
Well, darn. You left me hanging there. I thought we were going to dance. You neglect to mention that even with highly elevated CO2 concentration, the earth cooled back down.
Imagine that.
REPLY: In our use it means, “go away”, but welcome to the light. The essay stays, but I’ll can the comment. If we denied news and commentary about people that caused fiascos, caused trouble, or cost money, we’d never hear about Obama, Thatcher, Mountbatten, Blair, in any venue….- Anthony
Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Both Clintons, Harry Reid………………………….
Tim Clark says: November 12, 2010 at 10:24 am
From Ammonite: … The increasing atmospheric concentration of CO2 in turn acts as a forcing to further increase temperature… The suggestion that because increases in temperature can cause increases in CO2 that the reverse is not possible is simply false.
Tim’s response: “Your response illustrates a common AGW circuitous logic fallacy… You neglect to mention that even with highly elevated CO2 concentration, the earth cooled back down.”
Hi Tim. Many commentators on Matt Ridley’s piece have described it in the light of a devastating riposte to AGW proponents and yet it contains what I consider to be a basic and common flaw. In AGW circles the reasoning I specifically identified above is called a “zombie argument”. The logic has been shown to be incorrect many times, yet the meme will not die.
As for the evolution of the earth’s temperature it is infuenced by many factors – orbital forcing, albedo, solar cycles, the slowly rising solar “constant”, ghg concentration, oceanic behaviour, man-made aerosols, volcanic activity… None of these factors change the physical properties of CO2 but they are certainly capable of dominating its influence in any given period.
Very nicely done Matt. Your book was excellent, and every time I read your writing, I come away more impressed.
I look forward to hearing you speak on the cruise in February.
Matt Ridley caused this by deliberate greed and risk taking, combined with profound ignorance of finance. In the UK Matt Ridley is the moral equivalent of Bernie Madoff.
Northern Rock (where Ridley was a nonexecutive director) failed because of exposure to the subprime crisis, along with AIG and Bear Stearns. Since their bailout, they have been repaying the bailout loan ahead of schedule.
The company’s business plan was not exactly secret, and investors who lost money evidently also did not understand the risks involved or they would have sold their shares. Welcome to the uncertain world of investing.
While Ridley may have underestimated the risks involved, he was hardly alone in doing so, and to suggest he ran a fraudulent scheme a la Madoff is irresponsible, inaccurate, and betrays a profound ignorance of finance in general.
Tim’s response: “Your response illustrates a common AGW circuitous logic fallacy… You neglect to mention that even with highly elevated CO2 concentration, the earth cooled back down.”
Ammonite says:
November 12, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Hi Tim. Many commentators on Matt Ridley’s piece have described it in the light of a devastating riposte to AGW proponents and yet it contains what I consider to be a basic and common flaw. In AGW circles the reasoning I specifically identified above is called a “zombie argument”. The logic has been shown to be incorrect many times, yet the meme will not die.
As for the evolution of the earth’s temperature it is infuenced by many factors – orbital forcing, albedo, solar cycles, the slowly rising solar “constant”, ghg concentration, oceanic behaviour, man-made aerosols, volcanic activity… None of these factors change the physical properties of CO2 but they are certainly capable of dominating its influence in any given period.
Hi Ammonite,
And your response in skeptic circles is called “ignore the logical fallacy in your previous argument but repeat the meme ad nauseum until consensually accepted argument”.
The comment at the start caught my eye,
It is certainly nice that the political `climate’ (sic) now allows articles like mine to receive serious replies, rather than accusations of heresy or sin or threats of prosecution as a criminal against humanity.
A weather forecaster on TV this morning 12/11/10 said of the storms battering the UK that they were “Nothing new and had been happening off and on for decades” And she did not suddenly explode!
Perfect, and concrete proof you are right is the politicians cure for this, they want to send all industry to China??? maybe there is a little known fact that COI2 only causes a greenhouse effect in the west?? I am utterly disgusted by the whole warmist agenda, hanging would be too kind (ask the people they have killed about that)
Tim Clark says: November 12, 2010 at 12:53 pm
“Ignore the logical fallacy in your previous argument…”
Temperature rises can increase CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.
Increased atmospheric CO2 can cause temperature to rise.
These are hardly contentious statements. Where is the logical fallacy?
//Ammonite says:
November 12, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Tim Clark says: November 12, 2010 at 12:53 pm
“Ignore the logical fallacy in your previous argument…”
Temperature rises can increase CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.
Increased atmospheric CO2 can cause temperature to rise.
These are hardly contentious statements. Where is the logical fallacy?//
Let me fix that for you.
Temperature rises can significantly increase CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.
Increased atmospheric CO2 can cause temperature to rise minutely.
There! All better.
All re Matt Ridley and NR.
Go read the Rational Optimist. He makes a very clear admission on this topic. He is not covering up anything at all. Indeed, he makes the case that finance is one of the few markets that benefit or require regulation.
I heartily recommend that George Willis go and get a copy and read it with an open mind.
Reply to John Peter – November 11, 2010 at 9:54 am
Re. your request for a link to my chart showing the official HadcRUT3 world average temperature data from 1850 to 2009, which clearly demonstrates an un-alarming average temperature rise over the period of 0.4degC per century, I have the chart up at:
HadCRUT3 Chart
In my opinion, this chart kills the whole issue of man-induced global warming stone dead – as it has done every year for the last 10 years since I first drew it.
Yet I find that most people, when presented with an exceedingly simple graph of what has actually happened to the Earth’s temperature to date, simply shrug it off and can’t really engage with it because it is so far removed from the official warming rhetoric. A modern example of the emperor’s new clothes perhaps?
My simple view is that we skeptics could all blog on for ever about the physics of radiative absorption by CO2 molecules, and we could battle on well into the next century about polar bear extinctions, glacier melts, sea rise, etc., and get nowhere – because each issue is complex and uncertain and it always ends up as one expert’s opinion against another.
But facts are facts and data are data. And, since the data I have plotted come straight from the Hadley Centre of Climategate fame, I can hardly be accused of using specially selected ‘unalarming’ data that suits my case. It’s the official stuff!
Gene Zeien said November 11, 2010 at 1:18 pm
“I did a raw land temperature plot shortly after ClimateGate. Without smoothing the anomalies (which exaggerates isolated weather stations), David Socrates’ description of his results matches what I found with NCDC data:
http://justdata.wordpress.com/
Gene, What I find fascinating about your data charts of the raw temperature data is that they show no net warming over the main period you chose (1900 to 2009) whereas my plots of the official CRU data (see
HadCRUT3 Chart)
do show a rise of 0.4degC per century.
I have always wondered why CRU and NASA make such a fuss about ‘adjusting’ the raw data (and then, in CRU’s case, ‘losing’ the original!). After all, nobody is interested in the absolute value of this thing called ‘annual world average temperature’. It’s only an index that can be compared from year to year to see if there is a warming trend or not. It is simply a mathematical construct – a bit like a stock exchange index. That doesn’t (in my view) invalidate it as a useful indicator of temperature trend, but what baffles me is why they didn’t just use the raw station data to construct the abstract index rather than data that has been adjusted in some mysterious way (without telling us how) by the climate scientist priesthood. The raw data would have given a trend indication that was just as statistically valid without arousing suspicions of agenda-driven data manipulation.
And as your plots show, as soon as the raw data is used instead of the adjusted data, the upward temperature trend of the late 20th century mysteriously disappears. Funny that, isn’t it?
The supreme irony, of course, is that even if one uses the official ‘adjusted’ data, as I did with HadCRUT3, the results still turn out to be remarkably un-alarming.
So I think the climate alarmists are snookered either way. It’s just a question of how long it will take for the rest of the world to wake up.