UPDATE! See this new press release: AGU backs away from “climate rapid response team” citing faulty reporting
Gosh. A “Climate rapid response team” from Minnesota? What will they be armed with? Wits and a hockey stick? So far that hasn’t worked out too well. From the Chicago Tribune:
Climate scientists plan campaign against global-warming skeptics
The American Geophysical Union plans to announce Monday that 700 researchers have agreed to speak out on the issue. The effort is a pushback against congressional conservatives who have vowed to kill regulations on greenhouse gas emissions.
Faced with rising political attacks, hundreds of climate scientists are joining a broad campaign to push back against congressional conservatives who have threatened prominent researchers with investigations and vowed to kill regulations to rein in man-made greenhouse gas emissions.
The still-evolving efforts reveal a shift among climate scientists, many of whom have traditionally stayed out of politics and avoided the news media. Many now say they are willing to go toe-to-toe with their critics, some of whom gained new power after the Republicans won control of the House in last Tuesday’s election.
On Monday, the American Geophysical Union, the country’s largest association of climate scientists, plans to announce that 700 climate scientists have agreed to speak out as experts on questions about global warming and the role of man-made air pollution.
Some are prepared to go before what they consider potentially hostile audiences on conservative talk-radio and television shows.
John Abraham of St. Thomas University in Minnesota, who last May wrote a widely disseminated response to climate-change skeptics, is pulling together a “Climate Rapid Response Team,” which so far has more than three dozen leading scientists to defend the consensus on global warming in the scientific community. Some are also pulling together a handbook on the human causes of climate change, which they plan to start sending to U.S. high schools as early as this fall.
“This group feels strongly that science and politics can’t be divorced and that we need to take bold measures to not only communicate science but also to aggressively engage the denialists and politicians who attack climate science and its scientists,” said Scott Mandia, professor of physical sciences at Suffolk County Community College in New York.
“We are taking the fight to them because we are … tired of taking the hits. The notion that truth will prevail is not working. The truth has been out there for the past two decades, and nothing has changed.”
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Heh, that last sentence pretty well sums it up. Read the whole article here.
I find the phrase “climate rapid response team” a bit of an oxymoron. Given the speed of climate change, did they mean “weather response team”? 😉
Well it looks like I and many of my associates be traveling more. When these guys come to your town, demand some equal time to present the skeptic side of the story.
h/t to WUWT Reader “Craig” in tips and notes.
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God, I want a piece of this action!
Protect polar bears that aren’t actually dying, stave off the Venus Syndrome, raise energy bills through the rough, drive all remaining industry off of US shores, etc. etc.
vs.
9.6% Unemployment.
Doesn’t sound very hard to me, actually…..
The CRRT and the AGU have a problem, when they engage in debate they lose the debate, when they compare their evidence with that of the sceptics the sceptics win every time.
One of the main reasons that the CAGW industry peddled the consensus/there is no debate narrative is because the evidence behind CAGW is so very weak. All this silly desperate ‘team’ can do is sling mud which they have been doing already which has been a major ingredient in the current demise of their narrative.
CAGW is a dying theory, the funds are drying up and the followers are thinning out leaving behind only a determined minority who find it difficult to move on. More and more people decide for themselves based on the evidence to hand, thanks to the sceptics this evidence has been seen and digested and understood perfectly.
In the end the CAGW industry will shrink in size and numbers until only the most fanatical followers and those wholly unable to modify their belief system will be left and the end result will be a cult.
You can take a dummy to the library but you cant make him think.
I’d love for them to mail one of their “guides” to me in the hopes I’ll actually use it in my classroom…it’ll be a complete waste of their money, which suits me just fine.
P.S.
I should have added Carley Sheen in that mix in my previous post.
Paul Vaughan says:
November 7, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Threatening their funding is a less strategic approach than coaxing them into figuring out natural variations. The goal can be to make sure funding is used sensibly. We need more climate research, not less. That can be made very clear. These folks need to stop playing with computer fantasies (based on untenable assumptions) and get back to finishing the job of exploring the data. They have fallen victim to Simpson’s Paradox and this is crucial. Threatening the funding will not elicit the most adaptive response for our society & civilization. This is not about revenge. This is about understanding nature. Putting aside the left/right hyperpartisan nonsense and being practical is the way to go here. This is a teachable moment. It’s a chance to get them to realize they actually can figure out nature within a reasonable time frame. Just put the carrot on the stick to ease them into the task. These are bright folks and we can get them working for society.
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Paul, as always, an evolved viewpoint. I could not agree more. “This is about understanding nature.”
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Sounds like some political activists posing as researchers are watching a boatload of research money flash before their lyin’ eyes and they are willing to play Chicken Little on Tee Vee to keep the money flowing.
We don’t have the money for the man made global warming lie anymore. Let’s move on to more pressing and real problems facing this country. No more watermelon “research” and it’s public shake down solutions.
Perhaps this post of mine in a previous post is more relevant in this one;
They always try to jigger the language to control the message, as if, it isn’t the message that is flawed, but rather the way people perceive it. Let me assure you, IT IS THE MESSAGE THAT IS FLAWED.
We see these communication tactics blamed for various setbacks in the agenda of many political groups. The great loss by the democrats in the recent election was blamed on the democrats not communicating their achievements effectively. While democrats feel what they did was a great achievement, the vast majority feel that what the progressives did was an affront to our principals and our wallets.
The people with the flawed message have a solution to their problem, change the wording they use to brainwash people with. They have no clue, too many people have woken up to their scams and the woken ain’t going to be sucked into their vortex anymore.
The democrats, warmists, and even foreign governments seem to think that by just changing the wording they use to promote their position, people will buy what they are selling. A complete and total economic collapse has a way of getting people to think about exactly what is being said, and conker over the mind control tactics.
Here is a perfect example of how foreign governments play in this arena. This is something that was not meant for the publics general viewing, but it’s hard to keep secrets with a modern Internet like ours.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8303274/The-Israel-Projects-2009-Global-Language-Dictionary
If they keep this up, one day they will be referred to as the Beatniks of Climate… just like the 3 other climate scares that preceeded the Computer Modeled Photoshop version.
This is a sure sign that they are worried that their gravy train is about to be derailed.
“aggressively engage the denialists….”
Scott should know better than anyone about science and scepticism. Why has there been no trend in the global total number of storm days between 1965–2008?
http://www.agu.org/journals/ABS/2010/2010GL042487.shtml
Even hurrican intensity increase has been called into question.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/313/5786/452
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/landseaetal-science06.pdf
http://www.agu.org/journals/ABS/2007/2006GL028836.shtml
Global warming has had since 1975 to make its presence felt with hurricanes and see nothing much going on there. Yet Scott has not doubt (scepticism) about the theory.
Paul Vaughan says:
November 7, 2010 at 7:39 pm
This is a teachable moment. It’s a chance to get them to realize they actually can figure out nature within a reasonable time frame. Just put the carrot on the stick to ease them into the task. These are bright folks and we can get them working for society.
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Take a little issue here. Some of these folks….are not so bright…or they would have never made such egregious errors in the first place.
Or at least they could have “manned up”…pun intended…and admit they were wrong.
Or maybe they are very bright but blinded by the cognitive dissonance spirit of the age.
Its not like it has not happened in human history in the past.
But you get people like Abraham….and Mandia…..and I would venture to guess that, no….they are NOT as bright as given credit.
If they were, they would be willing to say a couple of phrases that are all-too-rarely uttered amongst our species: “I’m sorry. I was wrong.”
Fat chance on that.
Just look at the psychotic length at which Abraham has tried to spin away or handwave away Monkton’s relentless pedantic and unstoppable search for the truth.
[Check out Jo Nova’s post on the subject as referenced herein].
I really think that some of these people are beyond repair. A man with the dementia of James Hansen has NO BUSINESS running one of the most powerful climate positions in the world.
The good thing is…their influence is waning and their time is fleeting.
Can’t wait to see a new crop of scientists who are in it for the science and not about to do the biddings of the religious dogma of the day…whatever flavor that dogma may manifest itself.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Paul Vaughan says:
November 7, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Threatening the funding will not elicit the most adaptive response for our society & civilization.
Yes it will, by eliminating the effete [degenerate] niche which allows CO2CAGW-type Political Science to proliferate masquerading as and in place of real Science. Defunding has to occur as a necessary step, until the funded science is required to employ the Scientific Method solely and completely, with easily enforceable standards.
For example, how many of the 700 “Climate Scientists” who will allegedly show up to defend the unscientifically derived and supported CO2CAGW hypotheses or “tenets” would any sane scientist trust to know and follow the Scientific Method?
One of my early complaints to Dr. Curry was that she apparently had not thought to investigate the adequacy of the scientific basis for her own Climate Science “specialty”. Even up to the present, who else amongst those calling themselves CO2CAGW “Climate Scientists” has?
So, no, it is not in the interests of our society and civilization to provide funded, on the job training for people who either do not know anything about the Scientific Method or don’t have the moral character to follow it. Given this “teachable moment” they should get and pay for their own remedial training and perhaps form their own private “support group”, not us.
“scott ramsdell says:
November 7, 2010 at 6:46 pm
700 “climate scientists” vs. 1 Lord Monckton
Bets?”
Yes, the same as Elijah against the 450 prophets of Baal. (1. Kings, 18)
This group feels strongly that science and politics can’t be divorced
I recommend a trial separation.
Just to find out what it’s like . . .
You can’t make this stuff up folks.
Another way to put it is:
What I find odd is that this rapid response team is being launched as we enter the Northern Hemisphere winter. How many people will listen? ;o)
I expect that the US House will provide opportunities for the climate people to testify about their beliefs.
I think it’s very good that this is happening because it may help to open many more people’s eyes and to make them see that the climate panic is not associated with top science – and not even good science – but with a few extreme and extremely poilticized people at several community colleges (Mandia) and catholic seminaries (Abraham).
For more comments about it, see
http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/11/agw-jihad-collects-700-or-39-or-6.html
Why would they associate themselves with Mandia of a community college? Is a community college graduate the opposite of complete loser? 🙂 (The Big Bang Theory viewers surely know what I mean haha.)
“This group feels strongly that science and politics can’t be divorced and that we need to take bold measures to not only communicate science but also to aggressively engage the denialists and politicians who attack climate science and its scientists,” said Scott Mandia, professor of physical sciences at Suffolk County Community College in New York.”
Hmm, the last time such happened was during the early 19th century when the English Whigs used geology to unseat the Tories from government; they succeeded.
Will this latest manifestation of scientific prostitution also win? I hope not since but as it will be the climate godzilla versus the davids of climate rationality, there is a good chance that godzilla will be stopped, albeit after a long battle.
It would be good if these people could be engaged in free and open debate. Up to this point that certainly has not happened.
Please cousins in USA don’t give these guys their usual free ride, make sure you follow Anthony’s request – demand some equal time to present the skeptic side of the story and may the truth prevail!
I have an idea. Let’s make a video game that proves AGW!
oops. you mean that already has been tried?
How about some movies?
hmmmm.
Any modelers in the house?
They venture on their quest, lances alert, spooring after dragons. We salute them and snicker as we do.
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Anthony,
Alert to Josh!
John Abraham is unleashing his hordes of AGW
dogs-of-warpoodles-of-panic on the wiley-lone-wolves of skepticism.It is going to be poodle pandemonium time. : )
John
Dr Dave says:
November 7, 2010 at 5:09 pm
November 7, 2010 at 5:09 pm
I think he is still wondering what it was that Lord Monckton handed to him. He still looks far too smug and he is still linking to his “rebuttals” of Lord Monckton on his website.
It will be interesting to see what the new make up of the US Congress will do to climate research funding. Personally I can’t see the need for such extensive research and with the scary component it’s virtually useless.
Looks like a good member of the team – has the same sh@t eating grin as Mann’s mug shot.
I suppose it is hard to look humble when you know so much.
Michael
Again and again, its circular reasoning, sort of, just like their computer programmes. First the warmists are afraid to debate openly with the skeptics because they know that their (the warmist’s) argument is weak and the skeptic’s one is strong, being based on science and geological history that cannot be denied (and then they call us deniers). Now, that the tide has turned and a great majority of Joe the plumbers have turned skeptical, the warmists are having their last suicidal attack, kamikaze style, on the truth. Kamikaze attacks are always the weapon of last resort.
Repent, the end is nigh.