On Wegman – Who will guard the guards themselves?

Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?

IPCC 1990 on the left - Mann, Bradley, Hughes 1998 on the right.

Guest post by Thomas Fuller

Regular readers will remember that the fuss generated by Michael Mann’s Hockey Stick chart caused an investigation. A U.S. Congressional committee, led by Congressman Joe Barton, asked Edward Wegman to investigate the methods and findings of Michael Mann. (See the Wegman report titled “AD HOC COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE ‘HOCKEY STICK’ GLOBAL CLIMATE RECONSTRUCTION” here)

Now Wegman’s work is being investigated in much the same manner by people alleging that Wegman’s work contains plagiarized material.

The investigating institution, George Mason University, is responding to a formal complaint by Raymond Bradley, who was a co-author with Michael Mann of the work Wegman looked into.

One of the anonymous weblogs specializing in climate hysteria, Deep Climate, has been trumpeting charges about Wegman’s work for quite some time, alleging among other heinous crimes that some of the post grads working with Wegman had plagiarized work. Given the source, I had not paid much attention to it.

But if there is a formal complaint, we need to look at it seriously. Wegman’s criticism of Mann’s work is widely cited–his famous claim that ‘right answer, wrong method equals bad science’ is certainly and obviously correct–but it will have to apply to him, too.

I should also note that this is being handled better than Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli’s investigation of the University of Virginia’s grants for Michael Mann–basically because it’s being handled by the institution involved, as it should be.

I don’t like the weblog Deep Climate, and I very much respect the report Edward Wegman put out. I understand what the report said and I agree with its conclusions. So I’m hoping this investigation is thorough, quick and that Wegman’s work stands.

But there’s no way we can ignore this and complain about a lack of vigor in finding out what went wrong with CRU, Climategate and the Hockey Stick. This is bad news (for me). But it is news.

Michael Mann’s Hockey Stick will not be resurrected–there is enough criticism of it from his own colleagues in the leaked emails of Climategate to insure that. But Wegman’s report may sink under the weight of plagiarized material and while that would be a pity, that’s sometimes the way things work.

Let’s watch this and see, and report on the results in a clear-eyed fashion. Just because we have policy preferences and have opinions doesn’t mean we can ignore the facts.

Thomas Fuller  http://www.redbubble.com/people/hfuller

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harvey
November 2, 2010 5:12 pm

Interesting, you turn my comment on *YOUR* strategy to one of attacking the strategy of your opponents. I’m sure there is a word for that….
[REPLY – Whereas the MO of nearly all AGW blogs is simply to delete the opposition. This method was used in the past by far worse than libertarian think tanks proposing far worse than opposing tobacco legislation. (Of course, allowing posts like this is more of a cruelty than a kindness.) ~ Evan]

Bernard J.
November 2, 2010 7:22 pm

All I want to do is to pursue with Donald Rapp the matter of his analysis of various hockey sticks, and how his analysis comapres with that of the profession’s range of analyses. There are many unanswered questions, and if the matter is one of incompetence and/or of fraud in the profession, and if there really is not modern temperature upswing/”warminig”, then why can we not pursue the subject and clarify the reality.
Wegman would probably appreciate the assistance, if nothing else. If Rapp is correct, then Wegman is vindicated – at least in the substance of his claim if not in the matter of plagiarism – and climatology and thousands of professional scientists are forever discredited.
Oh, and it would mean that there is quite possibly something wrong with the combination of historical and instrumental records, which is a story in itself…

Bernard J.
November 2, 2010 7:46 pm

A second attempt…
All I want to do is to pursue with Donald Rapp the matter of his analysis of various hockey sticks, and how his analysis compares with that of the climatology/atmospheric physics profession’s range of analyses. There are many unanswered questions with respect to Rapp’s claims, and if in the end the matter is one of incompetence and/or of fraud in the climatology profession, and if there really is not modern temperature upswing/”warminig”, then why can we not pursue the subject and clarify the reality?
Wegman would probably appreciate the assistance, if nothing else. If Rapp is correct, then Wegman is in part vindicated – at least in the substance of his hockey stick claim, if not in the matter of plagiarism – and climatology and thousands of professional scientists are forever discredited.
Oh, and it would mean that there is quite possibly something wrong with the combination of historical and instrumental records, which is a story in itself…

Bernard J.
November 2, 2010 8:22 pm

Heh.
My screen seems not to be reloading after posting.
What’s up with that? 🙂

Kelly Manning
November 13, 2010 11:21 am

Gee, that medieval warming period sure looks impressive when you use a chart which ends at 1975.
It looks a lot less Impressive when charts showing recent record warm years are included.
After all, even the most clue resistant skeptic “knows” that “global warming ended in 1998”.
In fact 1998 is in a dead heat for 3rd place with 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2007.
Before 2010 both 2005 and 2008 end up warmer than 1998.
So much for the Global Warming ended in 1998 theory.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20100121/

Bernard J.
November 17, 2010 5:57 am

Donald Rapp.
Or, indeed, anyone who claims to have the statistical competence to critique Mann, Wegman, and all of their respective et als
I am still keen on a response to my last link to Deep Climate, however perhaps this latest is worthy of attention first:
http://deepclimate.org/2010/11/16/replication-and-due-diligence-wegman-style/
Rebut away.
Please.

Bernard J.
November 21, 2010 2:33 am

Hello?
Anyone?

Kelly Manning
November 27, 2010 9:49 am

No good news for Wegman in recent reviews by Plagiarism experts, is there?
Will the Virginia AG open an investigation of Wegman?

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