People are really ticked off about this 10:10 video, and it isn’t abating. The story is making it’s way up the news food chain. Hits are increasing on it. This afternoon, this WUWT story reached #3 on WordPress.
Not too shabby when wordpress.com says this:
The best of 341,031 bloggers, 1,527,765 new posts, 362,603 comments, & 210,061,304 words today on WordPress.com.
But there’s a fun twist in the stats, read on.
I had to laugh though, because even though traffic is soaring through the roof today, I find that I’ve been given a new nickname by a blogger in New Zealand who thinks the vile gore-packed short film of exploding skeptical children is “funny”. He goes on to say in comments:
Wow.
Mr. Gareth Renowden, founder of what is supposed to be the leading site on global warming in New Zealand, “Hot Topic” thinks it’s all about failure to have a “sense of humor”. Perhaps this is what truffle growers turned AGW proponent might think…
…but based on traffic and the sampling of opinions posted, it surely isn’t what the rest of the world thinks.
But, back to the nickname.
Gareth has coined a new one for me. It’s funny. He included it in his update on the pulling of the 10:10 video. Since he couldn’t easily explain away the 10:10 epic video gaffe being pulled, he gets personal:
“microwatts” Heh. Hey, I’ve been called far worse by Romm and Dhogaza. No worries.
For the record, I took no position on the Delingpole statement he cites, and I pointed out that because of the discovery that Delingpole made, which was important, it was a “damned if I do damned if I don’t” situation in reporting it.
Of course, Gareth misses the entire story about Bilderberg and global cooling being discussed because it does not fit into his narrative.
But here’s the really funny part. Until yesterday, when I got a linkback from Hot Topic because of his “unbelievably vile” snark, I had never visited the site.
Today I found out why. For the “leading site on global warming in New Zealand” it’s pretty much off the radar.
Alexa.com provides some valuable insight, here’s Hot Topic’s Worldwide Traffic Rank in New Zealand: (details on Alexa stats here)
And here is WUWT’s Worldwide Traffic Rank in in New Zealand:
Yes, that’s right, by a factor of 7.6, WUWT is reaching more people in New Zealand than the “leading site on global warming in New Zealand”. Perhaps if some of my New Zealand readers can spread the word around a bit, we can break the 1000 mark and make it a factor of 10. Wouldn’t that be fun?
The other number of interest between Hot Topic and WUWT is the global and US overall rankings:
Hot Topic:
WUWT:
Compared:
So please Mr. Renowden, feel free to continue to call me names in lieu of actual content. I like the results of that, and apparently New Zealanders do too.
I’d point out that the same people who seem to be so upset at Dillingpole’s Nuremburg comment seemed to have absolutely no issue when the Warmists said the exact same thing about evil “Deniers” being subjected to the same. In the grand scheme of things, I’m betting the Warmists will be responsible for more deaths and destruction than the skeptics ever will be, as with DDT.
Congrats. Anthony and keep up the great work!
Zing!
Severian says:
October 1, 2010 at 5:18 pm
“I’m betting the Warmists will be responsible for more deaths and destruction than the skeptics ever will be…”
Quite so.
It is vital that the precautionary principle be applied to the “solutions” they propose.
PS Once again congratulations to Mr (Mega) Watts for getting the truth out there.
As a generally liberal, left-leaning, libertarian type, I resent being lumped with all manner of undesirable right-wing types, just because we are both correct, based on the available information, as far as the bankruptcy of CAGW belief and rhetoric is concerned.
Facts remain facts, no matter how hard you pretend.
More like MegaWatts
I wouldn’t call labeling everyone who doesn’t agree with the One World Carbon Agenda a Right Wing Facist spin, I would call it Spun Out.
More bad news for the warmists!
Sea levels in 2010, “the hottest year ever” are… falling at a current rate of 10mm per year.
http://rarereaders.seablogger.com/2010/10/sea-levels-are-falling-current-rate-10mm-per-year/
There is no bad publicity Anthony !!!
keep up the great work !!
Say, is that a leading or lagging relationship in the traffic graph vs WUWT?
Anthony is almost as popular as Glee.
Neither I nor anyone I know here in NZ has ever heard of Hot-topic. Over here, like everywhere else, the leading climate science website is WUWT!
Gareth “the truffle-hunter” is a legend in his own mind. His site is essentially a circle [snip] with heavily moderated comments.
The only reason he “rates” is because the leading warmists in the NZ media consitantly tell him he does.
Not to worry, he has called me far worse because I still am a “denier”
Dellingpole is somewhat correct. At some point, accountability will be required. Difference of opinion is one thing. Being knowingly deceptive and creating or advocating rules and laws, policies and protocols that literally destroy lives and livelihoods…… that’s quite another thing. Nuremberg trials, maybe not, accountability, most definitely. This 10/10 thing simply shows that this nonsense has long since run its course and enough is enough. After the 10/10 debacle, there isn’t much else extreme they can go to without acting upon their fantasies. It is way past the children’s bed time. Let’s put this insanity to rest and get on with issues of import.
Just in case the 10:10 video didn’t make clear what we’re dealing with, get this …
[snip – I’m sorry Dan, turning this thread into a battle between Republicans and Democrats is so far off topic that it merits a snippage ~mod]
I’m sure I’d be called left-wing by anyone who examined my life. But science isn’t a political thing. It is depressing that the rich have tried to make it so.
Bill Clinton was here in Ireland this week saying that green jobs were the way out of a depressed economy (despite early adopters like Spain having their finances going down the drain). Our former president Mary Robinson – the only politician I still had respect for – dropped the D-bomb a few months ago on TV and is now going to set up a Rockefeller-financed “climate justice” operation in Dublin.
The Rockefellers have no interest in the welfare of the poor.
I’d encourage you to devote a page to the big-business funding of the scare.
Actually, if you take µWatts as a reference to your carbon footprint, then you have actually been praised!
Interesting, I don’t remember the Warmists getting all up in arms when James Hansen wrote in the Guardian that, “CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/climatechange.carbonemissions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/fossilfuels.climatechange
What’s wrong with Skeptics wanting some investigations and trials to help identify and hold to account those responsible for funding and propagating the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming Narrative?
I just watched the video and I’m having some trouble understanding what they were trying to do. Their message seems to be “Obey or we’ll kill you.” The joke is… They say “No pressure” and then kill you? Or is the joke that they kill you by pressing a button that makes you explode, in contrast to a more common way of killing you, such as shooting or stabbing?
Perhaps I am missing some fundamental concept of humor or satire, because I cannot discern how the “No Pressure” video would be humorous to anyone other than people that actually want to kill you for disagreeing with or disobeying them. “Jokes” such as this must have been all the rage in Stalin’s Russia and Hitler’s Germany.
Note: I understand that I have invoked Godwin’s Law of Reductio ad Hitlerum, but I believe it is absolutely justified by the video in question.
[snip – sorry, way over the top, feel free to tone done and resubmit ~mod]
There are now over 2800 comments in the thread for Delingpole’s article. I agree with the concept but it won’t be necessary. Natural cycles and free, angry, motivated citizens are preventing the harm the eco-fascists have sought to inflict for all these years.
Deleted youtube comments on the vile 10:10 video available here
http://climate-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2010/10/yes-warmists-are-catastrophe.html
” I resent being lumped with all manner of undesirable right-wing types”
That is an unfortunate attitude you’ve got there.
Having made a project of it, I have found that the “rightwing” stereotype is badly off.
A complete fiction .
In fact, being a life-long liberal Democrat, I have been dismissed most cruelly by the left and accepted by the right, and so I have had to recalibrate my expectations and paradigms.
I suggest you do the same .
Good work Anthony (and moderators). The more attention the 10/10 article gets, the more chance that the people responsible will be asked to account for their intentions – which seems to be a question that people on both sides of the debate are asking. Name calling by the likes of Gareth simply means they have run out of rational arguments – which applies to everyone no matter where they stand on the issue. As another Canadian on the previous thread said, hate laws have to be thought about and raised with the people that created the video. Intent is important.
Not sure if this has already been covered, but they have removed the video from their website see.
Just showed it to my father and my wife – both equally horrified; had be careful to make sure my children didn’t see it; the video is a really nasty piece of work on so many levels.
Gareth who? Andrew from New Zealand.
I posted a comment on the Climate Progress site. Joe Romm and Bill Mckibben have publicly distanced themselves from this stunt, and I’m just thankful that they are not trying to defend it in any way. There’s the obligatory dig at A Watts which seems rather distasteful right now- people should be able to accept blame for the messages forged by their own side without resorting to reflecting blame back onto their opponents.
Anyway, here’s my post (strangely, still in moderation- another comment just below has gone through though).
“Thanks Mr Romm/Me Mckibben for your distancing from this horrible piece of communication. There is probably nothing more chilling to me than seeing people finding humour in the violent coercion of children into silence. That this film was ever approved along the whole chain of production is just unbelievable to me. I’m glad that even some of the most passionate and outspoken advocates of climate action here can see that this film is just so wrong on so many levels.
Personally, I am a sceptic of some of the pieces of evidence for AGW, and a believer (or no reason not to believe) for other pieces of evidence. I guess most people are not so black and white on this issue as some (the producers of this film?) would like to believe. I have also been involved in environmental restoration for most of my adult life, do not own a car or have a licence, am vegetarian and eat 80% organic food. I denounce rabid consumerism. I would like to know that just because I am sceptical of some of the claims of AGW theory that people around me would secretly like to explode me. I wonder how many trees these people have planted, or whether they drive themselves? Maybe it is me that should have the red button?
Anyway. I breathe some kind of sigh of relief here. This will be hard to let down from your end, a lot of people feel justifiably angry at this, myself included. This is coercive propaganda of an extreme kind. There is no reason at all to support this. The Guardian has just lost any respect I may have once had for it. And I don’t think I’ll be getting involved in any 10:10 campaign.
I hope you can ride this criticism with dignity and restraint. I wish you luck in your future communications with the public.”
My second comment:
“PS, I also don’t think that the 10:10 campaigners themselves have properly apologised for this. They ‘imagine’ that most people found this funny and a few found it offensive, while the reverse situation is overwhelmingly in evidence. They need to stop dealing in distortions. This doesn’t sound like an apology to me. This is a ’sorry it didn’t work’ kind of apology.”
There is no humor in the message that students must conform to leftist AGW thinking or be such a vile being that they deserve death. There was no humor in the approach nor the execution(pun intended).
The lesson is that the Warmists find this funny. And that is disturbing.
Well I got a good chuckle … out of the μWatts quip. Sure it’s supposed to be offensive and stick in your craw, but it’s kind of clever. Well, at least from my perspective of not being named Anthony Watts, anyway.
Besides, you might be able to pull a “Yankee Doodle” on the warmists with this one and start using μWatts as a regular way of referring to mankind’s actual influence on the world’s climate. Start making it stick in their craw!
Jimash says:
October 1, 2010 at 6:42 pm
“Having made a project of it, I have found that the “rightwing” stereotype is badly off. A complete fiction. In fact, being a life-long liberal Democrat, I have been dismissed most cruelly by the left and accepted by the right, and so I have had to recalibrate my expectations and paradigms.”
Welcome, partner.
Just The Facts says:
October 1, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Hansen didn’t make a video of killing people nonchalantly.
Up and up and up.
What is more important than your popularity, is the hidden decline in popularity of the rest.
Your rapier was nicely wielded for that riposte, Anthony. Most apposite, most cutting and most enjoyable.
REPLY: Thanks! How’s locating that station photo in Auckland going? – Anthony
I too, haven’t visited Hot Topic before today; although I’m in New Zealand I’ve only read Gareth second hand through other NZ blogs.
I see that the comments critical of the movie are scoring many times higher than those pro but that, apparently, is only because WUWT is sending out the workers to overrun the Hot Topic site. It never occurs to Gareth that it might be a true reflection of the proportion of people in the Blogosphere that actually have a problem with the movie.
I know I do.
Jimash says:
October 1, 2010 at 6:42 pm
” I resent being lumped with all manner of undesirable right-wing types”
That is an unfortunate attitude you’ve got there.
Since I didn’t explode anything with my statement (except perhaps your world-view) my sense of humor is not always funny, but it is always mine.
Lightening up helps defuse the onerous part of the debate but we still need to take part so, no problem, consider me chastised.
What do you mean EVEN in New Zealand? Specially in New Zealand 🙂
I predict someday, after this CAGW tornado blows over, that Anthony will have to change the name of his site to MegaWattsUpWithThat comensurate with his impact on the Earth’s population’s critical perception of science in general and climate change in particular. It would be a fitting tribute.
Phil’s Dad,
Thanks for making the point.
PJB
Hey, no pressure. LOL.
Just a question: What do people mean when they say “undesirable right-wing types”? Is it to describe those people that believe in the unalienable rights spelled out in the US constitution? Is that the problem–that some people have the belief system that others should be subjugated like slaves of past centuries because the “masters” are more powerful, or more educated, or rightful heirs somehow? Is that it?
rbateman says: October 1, 2010 at 6:59 pm
“Hansen didn’t make a video of killing people nonchalantly.”
But Hansen wrote that, “The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/15/james-hansen-power-plants-coal
My point is that in Anthony’s post above he notes how Gareth Renowden is taking him to task because “James Delingpole in the Telegraph called for a Nuremburg trial for “warmists”?” and “Watts was happy to make sure his readers new all about that nasty little item…”, while Hansen has called for similar trials, with added vitriol and demagoguery. Furthermore Hansen, his recent DC protest and the resultant arrests, are the subject of the top article;
http://hot-topic.co.nz/got-myself-arrested/
on Gareth’s site:
http://hot-topic.co.nz/
As such, I was noting the apparent hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance among many hardcore Warmists, especially Gareth Renowden.
Perhaps this didn’t come across particularly clearly in my previous semi-cryptic post? 🙂
Warmist “kristalle nacht” soon here!
Blacklists on “contrarian” and scientists in “denial”. Are we to wear a yellow star before they blow us up?
Deniar holocaust can be something funny.If you adapt to it step by step its easier to physically participate and to make a real contribution to the warmist cause. If you laugh at “deniar children” been blown up, you`r ready! Ready to join the Guardians climate fighting peoples army. General Monbiot is swinging his checker flag lets go. The thousand year climatic united nations is neah. You start by dehumanising the enemy.Make him the treat to human kind,greedy,ugly,selfish,stupid,an obsticle to form a new order. take away his human and democratic rights because his “missusing” them.
Then you can do anything you like..What do you like? Bomb? Spike club? CO2 gas chamber…that`s effective and creative? Yes but what ever way you choose to do it..remember to have a lot of fun while doing it.
The Moonbat himself said:
“When we’ve finally gotten serious about global warming, when the impacts are really hitting us and we’re in a full worldwide scramble to minimize the damage, we should have war crimes trials for these bastards — some sort of climate Nuremberg.”
But, I guess Renowden has “forgotten” that.
The micro watts was my second chuckle. The first was the uncanny (but I sure unintended) similarity between the opening banner (“WUWT’s story on 10:10 – 3rd most popular on WordPress globally – even in New Zealand”) and that of a radio program I watch (that sounds odd) via the Internet from “high above Times Square in Manhattan, this is the third most listened-to program in all of America….”
The video is unbelievably despicable, but totally in keeping with the products of people who think the only way to save us it to kill us all.
We hopefully will not have show trials for Warmists when all of their idiotic theories prove wrong (and we can get back to replanting diversified forests, restocking the seas, restocking wildlife preserves and nature corridors throughout the world), but rather enjoy their public ridicule and bankruptcy.
Gareth’s Hot Topic NZ influence may be minimal but he has other outlets (and fellow travelers) either directly or indirectly – NZ Herald, NZ’s largest circulation fishwrap and Sciblogs, New Zealand’s largest science blog network (self proclaimed) http://sciblogs.co.nz/terms/category/environment-and-ecology/
Neither of which present anything much other than the “consensus”
Nice work Anthony.
Funny how this person seems to equate arbitrary execution with a legal trial.
Personally I would rather stand trial and get a chance to defend myself rather than just be blown up at the whim of some random nutball.
The organization’s name, 10:10, and their push to reduce carbon emissions by 10%, coupled with the slaughtering of a few dissenters in every scene (roughly 10%?), reminded me of the Roman disciplinary practice of decimation.
Decimation was a punishment imposed on Roman military units for failure, cowardice, or mutiny in which one in ten (10% of) soldiers were selected by lot to be slaughtered by their comrades. Only the decimated victims in 10:10′s video are chosen for this ultimate punishment by their failure to make the “right” choice. No pressure. Decimating the global population sure is one way to reduce carbon emissions by 10%…
For more on my take on this video, see my blogpost: 10:10’s Decimate the Global Population Campaign.
A good NZ website with a NZ focus is http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/
They’ve had some good stuff about NIWA’s fiddling with temp data.
Wonder if Anthony would add them to the blog role?
REPLY: I’m working on a guest post with them, but we are waiting for some additional deatils. – Anthony
I like a good zinger as much as anyone but there has to be a kernel of truth to make it work. That is where Mr. Renowden’s attempt fails. Had he referred to his own blog as uhot-topic then I would have thought “What a clever person!” Satire is best when it is funny, but wit is harder to come by than commonly thought.
Just The Facts says:
October 1, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Not really the clearest of posts.
Hansen, for his part, says a lot of things, and goes overboard, but the video goes beyond mere words.
Speaking of Climate Progress, I see Mr. Gould is over there talking about what a tough time he was having “trying” to defuse things here.
Hello, Australia? I’ve read enough posters from there to know some of you can’t be pleased this is what one of your employees is doing on your public dime.
Yes, epic fail, and dead center own goal.
And it should be preserved and spread far and wide. Maybe by 10/10/10, there will be actual news discussion of what the little dears were thinking when they gigglingly put that slop together?
I heard about this from my kids when I got home from work (ages 13 & 15). They had angry expressions, and showed me the video, “you won’t believe this, Dad”. The 13-yr old said that the next time (it happens often) his teacher brings up climate change or AGW or carbon or anything in class, he’s going to announce that he’s not going to stick around to be blown up by the teacher. He’s already downloaded the video to his iPod, to show anyone at school that starts on about AGW.
Oh yeah, and the 15 yr believes (I think rightly) that the video *is* aimed at kids.
Me? I couldn’t watch it all. Walked away during the office workers’ scene.
Hey! I’m from New Zealand and I’ve never heard of this ‘Gareth’ either…
Mind you they are all a bit ‘funny’ down there in the Wairarapa…
You should have a look at Whale Oil… gotcha.co.nz… now that IS funny!
Ken Finney says: October 1, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Gosh! You mean you missed the eyeballs sliding down the screen? That was the best part!
Parts?
Parts is parts.
I think 10:10 missed a trick here…instead of blowing those non-believing school children up they should of beaten them to death with hockey sticks.
A lot more personal.
NIWA is totally corrupt. Temperature manipulation that is criminal. Total fabrications.
It makes me wonder at the mental health of humanity when I note
the content of the two blogs that beat WUWT.
Don’t be worried about NZ, Anthony. When numbers are down, they poll the sheep, especially those with micro-fine wool.
To save time and to add to the law of large Numbers, they count the legs and divide by 4.
Offence being a good form of defence, maybe you should hitch along with “Terror-Watts”.
Went down the yard had a burn up of all Sony Stuff my Grandson will be upset no more PLay Station.
Have done my %10.
MegaWatts more like. Or even MegaMegaWatts.
Iv told about 5 of my friends what a great site wattsupwiththat is.
The rise in GST 15% hurt us more than the ETS.
Could have a big Sony burn day on say Guy Fawkes day.
Wonder who is funding the NZ Web site probably the crazies at NIWA.
Still want to know Where is My Global Warming.
rbateman says: October 1, 2010 at 9:45 pm
“Not really the clearest of posts.”
Undoubtedly, but not that bad for late on a Friday… 🙂
“Hansen, for his part, says a lot of things, and goes overboard, but the video goes beyond mere words.”
I am not trying to equivocate between Hansen and the video. I am leveraging a corollary from Anthony’s post to further develop one of his arguments, while providing some valuable background information to those who might not be aware of it.
I agree that the video is offensive, coercive and over the top, but I think that the vast majority of people do. There is no use in beating the proverbial dead horse, it’s better that we use our time and energy informing enough people/voters so we’ll be able to do something about it…
Wait a minute, did the “leading site on global warming in New Zealand” rip off the name of the Hot Topic retail chain where the hip trendy kids go to spend their parents’ money on the freshest pop fashions and political statements? You know, after the hot sites and magazines have confirmed how fresh and hot they are so the kids can be rebellious and out there while knowing they’ll look like the other popular kids? Hey, I saw one of those in the local mall, when I was last in there about five years ago. Those stores must be popular.
Whoa man, that is, like, so weird. Totally bogus, dude! Not cool! Man, that heavy global warming stuff must be, like, so last week. That guy has got to be tripping. That’s, like, just so gnarly, dude. Get with the program!
Do you want to protest at global warming lies in the media?
Britain’s biggest-selling newspaper has the “Polar Bear” story today:
By BEN JACKSON, Environment Editor
“POLAR bears are struggling to find food on land as a warm climate melts the ice they need to survive.
“The bears – among hundreds in Hudson Bay, Canada – normally do all their feeding on the ice during the winter months. So instead of being over the sea where they can hunt seals, they now have to adapt and forage for food on the Canadian tundra. Research shows polar bears now spend three more weeks on land a year than they did 30 years ago, while their body weight has dropped by 60lb.
“Leading polar bear expert Dr Andy Derocher estimates the Hudson Bay population could be one of the first major victims of climate change – dying out within 20 to 30 years. He said: “It’s fairly easy to look at sea ice change and work out when the bears’ fat stores run out – and they die.”
“The pictures were taken by British wildlife photographer Nick Garbutt.
“He said: “They are not getting as long on the pack ice which means they are having to look for alternatives.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/Green/3162125/Snow-where-to-go.html
Email the Sun
The Sun
letters@the-sun.co.uk
Anthony.
As a NZer, I like a number of my rational compatriots just laugh at Hot-Topic. Really has lost the plot.
Unfortunately the NZ Govt and some of the scientific community here when it comes to AGW/CC take that blogsite seriously. Nick Smith the minister for Climate Change has quoted from that site. So just goes to show how poor, ignorant ,unbalanced, and a lack of impartial and rationality certain elements in officialdom here are. They’ve already been ‘assimilated’ to Climate Change Zombie status and they’re trying to drag down the rest of us.
Appalling amount of greenie AGW/CC propaganda ‘brainwashing’ going on here in our schooling education system.
No wonder we had ETS foisted down our throats .
Having watched the video again with my wife, the major blunder appears to have been not pre-screening the video with focus groups from countries like the US, India, France or elsewhere. Then they would have seen that the “humour” didn’t travel at all well.
‘mrpkw says:
October 1, 2010 at 5:43 pm
There is no bad publicity Anthony !!!
keep up the great work !!’
Actually, I rather think the ‘No Pressure’ video somewhat disproves the first assertion – when the message is so perverted! However, the more viewers come here, the more will discover the need for scepticism, so, yes, do keep turning up the wattage!
[Also, presumably a micro-watt is much better than a watt in the eyes of climate change nuts – so I guess it was a compliment!]
I like humor.
I understand irony.
I could probably get it in writing from a shrink or such.
The only thing funny about thiss mess is how deep a
…hole these ecomaniacs have dug for them selves.
Otherwise – just disturbing.
I just looked at the “apology” on the 10:10: site, and found this added
We won’t be making any attempt to censor or remove other versions currently in circulation on the internet.
They seem to be saying that these other videos are nothing to do with us, they have been edited to show us in a bad light
How about TerraWatts? (Tera, earth, fear)
Well, if the serial exaggerator warmists and the out-right liars don’t end up in front of a judge in this lifetime, they will certainly be pilloried in the history books.
It is one thing to be genuinely mistaken, it is another thing to falsify data and publish lies.
Well I’m very disappointed. WUWT readers have been there and given me only 32 ticks?
http://hot-topic.co.nz/no-pressure-1010-on-the-button/comment-page-1/#comment-18095
[well be careful what you wish for ~ac]
Ah, 10:10. So proud of their IQ they mention it twice!
A Friends of the Earth – Board member said this of 10:10 in the Guardian
Here is an UNGUARDED, immediate reaction, in the GUARDIAN COMMENT section. He posted it in horror, then had to come back again, he was so UPSET with 10:10
This was a BOARD MEMBER OF FRIENDS OF THE EARTH
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/sep/30/10-10-no-pressure-film?showallcomments=true#end-of-comments
JohnHalladay (Friends of the Earth – Board Member)
1 October 2010 1:27AM
God knows I’m on your side but this just panders to the morons who think we’re ‘ECO-FACISTS’– own goal, guys.
Kill it and do something better.
Disturbing!
He came back for some more. (my asterisks)
2nd comment.. (could not leave it..)
JohnHalladay (Friends of the Earth – Board Member)
1 October 2010 1:33AM
Actually, I have to say something stronger,
this film is ****ing ridiculous.
I am a local Greenpeace coordinator, and a Board member of Friends of the Earth and I just can’t believe that you have produced a film that is so ****ing stupid.
There, I’ve sworn on the Guardian.Jesus, where is your common sense. We’re trying to win hearts and minds.
This is just ludicrous.
Presumably this is John…..
http://www.foe.co.uk/what_we_do/about_us/board/board_members.html
[scroll down a few peeps for John Halladay in the above link ~ac]
The facists are probably a minority. It is indeed the majority (of AGW campaigners) who are stupid, perhaps f*****g stupid, that are most worrying.
Kate says:
October 2, 2010 at 12:31 am
Do you want to protest at global warming lies in the media?
Britain’s biggest-selling newspaper has the “Polar Bear” story today:
Kate – you could have mentioned that the Sun is hardly a quality newspaper. It is best known for the topless ladies on Page 3!!
How about Tera-Watts? 🙂
No reaction from the BBC yet: (5 mins ago)
A search of the BBC website for ‘No Pressure’
http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?go=toolbar&uri=%2F&q=%22no+pressure%22
yields nothing………………
Sorry to disappoint you Mr Watts, but by “µWatts” I think he’s pointing to us your readers, rather than to you.
As a New Zealander currently living in London, I maintain links with friends and family at home in NZ via email – I have just done a quick straw poll and NONE of my contacts had heard of this dimwit (or his blog) who seems to be keen to expose himself as a tasteless idiot with no clues about ethics or morality to the blogosphere; those of my friends who are interested in climate science, and that’s not all of them by any means, hold WUWT in high regard.
The MSM have begun to pick this story up; it features in the Comment section of the Telegraph this morning. The columnist admitted to being a Kukearmer [do you mean Lukewarmer perchance? ~jove, mod] at least but seemed mightily annoyed by the 1010 video.
it is there though……
BBC: Environmental campaigners axe gory film
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11458726
Environmental campaigners 10:10 have withdrawn a film showing a teacher graphically exploding two of her students who refuse to reduce their carbon emmissions, after complaints.
In a statement, the group apologised to anyone offended.
The film aimed to “bring this critical issue back into the headlines whilst making people laugh,” the group said.
Lizze Gillett, Global Campaign Director for 10:10, told the BBC: “As you can see from various comments and social media sites some people thought it was funny and a good tool to get people talking about climate change but others strongly disliked the mini-movie. We decided to take it off our website to avoid upsetting people. ”
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They are ‘spining’ , pretending the opposite reaction, to this already….
Crows are traditionally symbolic of impending doom. It’s appropriate that Gareth calls you ‘my crow’ Watts.
John A says:
October 2, 2010 at 12:47 am
“Having watched the video again with my wife, the major blunder appears to have been not pre-screening the video with focus groups from countries like the US, India, France or elsewhere. Then they would have seen that the “humour” didn’t travel at all well.”
Just to be perfectly clear about this, it does not appeal to British humour either. “Comedians” of the world please note – you do not do violence to our children, either physically or mentally.
Congratulations, Anthony. Yours is the “leading site on global warming [or not] in the world”. You have a wonderful way with words, wit, and truth. I also agree with James Sexton (October 1, 2010 at 6:01 pm)
“Dellingpole is somewhat correct. At some point, accountability will be required. Difference of opinion is one thing. Being knowingly deceptive and creating or advocating rules and laws, policies and protocols that literally destroy lives and livelihoods…… that’s quite another thing. Nuremberg trials, maybe not, accountability, most definitely. This 10/10 thing simply shows that this nonsense has long since run its course and enough is enough. After the 10/10 debacle, there isn’t much else extreme they can go to without acting upon their fantasies. It is way past the children’s bed time. Let’s put this insanity to rest and get on with issues of import.”
This 10/10 viciousness is unfortunately at the heart of those who would close down freedom, earned affluence, and commitment to the discipline necessary to maintain the scientific method. They have been targeting our children for a very long time. Take a look at Obama’s poet-mentor, the one his Grandpa left him with many times. He advocated using children for his all own marxist purposes. Death to the middle-class family. I had to teach alongside this kind of viciousness “honored” in the artistic pursuit of all things anti-American.
This just illustrates what kind of psychopaths support the CAGW hoax.
“Alexander K says:
October 2, 2010 at 5:49 am”
Clearly, he is perfectly placed to form political opinion in Helengrad, sorry, slip of the tongue, I mean Wellington, NZ.
From Phil’s Dad on October 2, 2010 at 6:24 am:
There are children, properly educated in our schools on the settled science, which is based on the overwhelming consensus among (climate) scientists, that are terrified of the coming sudden climate catastrophes. Some are too scared to turn on a light, or eat. There is growing anxiety, depression, more children needing psychotherapy, being prescribed psychoactive drugs. They get despondent, suicidal. At least one couple is known to have killed themselves and their child over fears of the coming climate chaos.
The violence to our children is already being done, has been done for awhile now. You can clearly see how remorseful these people are about what they have done for the greater good.
It is good to laugh sometimes. It is good to take some time off from the deep thoughts. For if we were to dwell on them, accept the seriousness, the darkness, to honestly look at what was deliberately done to these children, to look at each individual child as if all that had been inflicted upon them for years was done by a single solitary adult and consider what would be an appropriate response, we would soon be lining these people up at the edges of the long trenches. And soon thereafter we would have as much remorse for our actions as they currently have for theirs.
Ummm …. Anthony, ratios of ranks are not useful measures of anything. Being third in a race doesn’t necessarily make one 3 times worse than the winner. But it IS a fun measure 🙂
So many people, on this and the original post have already said more, and more articulately, anything I could possibly say on my feelings over this film and the type of people who support it.
But what I wanted to point out, as the 10:10 theme seems to be ‘mot du jour’, is how, when one poster pointed out, 10/10/10 could really be something, I can only agree: Back in January, I wrote to the Daily Telegraph, with my tongue only some way into my cheek, that, as we were now in 2010, someone would take note of the fact that in Adams’s book ‘The Hitch-hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy’, the mice came to the conclusion that the answer to ‘the universe and all that’ was 42.
Well, (I’m an anal sort of guy), in binary, 42 is 101010. Further comment from me is superfluous, n’est pas?
n’est-ce pas!
Pretentious? Moi?? 🙂
Response from Kyocera 4 hours after emailing on Sat afternoon (UK). Someone is clearly listening to the feedback.
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Hello
Thank you for your email. I totally understand your reaction to this video, which was very similar to my own.
Kyocera Mita UK has supported the 10:10 campaign because we share its ambition to reduce carbon emissions. However, we don’t support the “No Pressure” video and are dismayed by the suggestion that we might have been knowing partners in its production; in fact, we had no knowledge of its content until it appeared online. We consider that 10:10 made a serious error of judgement in its choice of creative approach, which is totally at odds with the inclusive and positive attitude that has been the hallmark of its other activities. We understand that 10:10 has acknowledged its mistake, withdrawn the video and issued an apology.
I assure you that we are taking this issue extremely seriously. A formal statement will be issued in due course.
Kind regards
Tracey
Tracey Rawling Church
Director of Brand and Reputation
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KYOCERA MITA (UK) Limited
Where are these WordPress “blogs of the day” listed? The link to WordPress.com is just their homepage, and there is no “blogs of the day” listed there.
Arguing that that one or more people alleged to have behaved badly be brought to trial under generally acceptable standards is one thing. Advocating the death of people who hold views with which you disagree is far different.
However hyperbolic James Delingpole’s argument was, in my opinion he was in bounds. 10:10’s video raises questions that go far beyond the scientific method and democratic politics. Their video was many orders of magnitude less acceptable than Delingpole’s essay. Their self-serving “apology” was nothing of the sort.
Allusions to the Third Reich are always fraught, but I suspect that JD’s point was that the Nuremberg trials were an attempt by the victorious powers to restore civil standards to a world in which they had been grossly flouted, by trying the perpetrators, not in a victor’s kangaroo court, but by civilised standards of criminal law. Many defendants were surprised to find themselves accorded the presumption of innocence, and said as much.
The warmist scientists have, in my view, grossly flouted the conventions of scientific method, the closest thing it has to “laws”, to an extent which is at least rhetorically comparable to the defendants at Nuremberg. The risk, which can’t be unfamiliar to readers here, is that aided by the presumption of virtue, if not innocence, their misdemeanors will simply be finessed, and they will go on to study the Next Big Scare just as badly as they did this one. cf Paul Erlich. I don’t want this – I want these people held to account, by a process seen to be rigorous and fair. In this sense, the Nuremberg analogy is a good one, and need not imply that the crimes involved were of comparable gravity.
I know Gareth personally (we live close to the same town, and occasionally meet at the local market) – he is a decent guy who is very approachable, and a good conversationalist. I dont agree with his views on climate change and he doesnt agree with mine, but that doesnt stop us passing the time of day in a respectful and friendly manner.
@ Patrick Davis; you must be living in a parallel universe from mine – I made no mention of politics or the city of Wellington, NZ. If you are implying I must be Left-leaning politically with your reference to Helengrad, you are wrong about that too.
I was attempting to point out the fact that most of my corespondents in NZ read WUWT and hold it in high regard.
The irony is that by giving him attention here you have increased his ranking by those of us that are curious about his site, making it harder for you to reach 10x more readers.
Geoff Sherrington says:
October 1, 2010 at 10:32 pm
“Don’t be worried about NZ, Anthony. When numbers are down, they poll the sheep,”
Of course on this side of the Tasman the joke is that it’s the Aussies that are into sheep polling.
You’re right about the popularity of your site with us Kiwi’s Anthony, I always seem to be tripping over the buggers when I come here.
PJB says:
October 1, 2010 at 5:39 pm
trying again…..
PJB says:
October 1, 2010 at 5:39 pm
As a generally liberal, left-leaning, libertarian type, I resent being lumped with all manner of undesirable right-wing types
It would be interesting to see a poll of the readers on “left” vs “right”. Also on “darwinism” vs “creationism”.
I know what you mean by undesirable right-wing types, like KKK groups. But I also have experienced the reaction to left vs right thinking from readers of the blog. IMO its a can of worms, and political standpoint has nothing to do with the issues that are the focus of the blog. There is a reason Anthony only opened for political comments once (to my memory).
“Hot Topic” thinks it’s all about failure to have a “sense of humor”
Standard excuse given by Jihadis when caught making bomb threats.
“Hot Topic” thinks it’s all about failure to have a “sense of humor”
Standard excuse given by Jihadis when caught making bomb threats.
The AGW fanatics have considered their cause so serious that they have never considered it a subject fit for humour. Their video was meant to shock, and this they have achieved, but not in the way expected. If now they are accusing their critics of lacking humour, all it shows, is that like Jihadis, they are bereft of any ideas outside their inner world.
Jimash says:
October 1, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Now that’s funny! 😉
DaveE.
David Oct 1 at 9.42 p.m.
thanks for the link. Very good indeed!
joachim Oct 3 at 1.16 a.m.
at first I thought like you, but having already stumbled upon THAT site once before there is no way I will be going back. IT is a great example of the worst type of self-serving blog site purporting to cater to the discussion on climate science. The usual ad hominem attacks and intolerance to any counter views that can be found at other CAGW sites are all there.
TonyT Oct 2 at 7.47 p.m.
I bet he is a civil person down at the market. Most people wouldn’t put up with his rantings, and snide remarks in public. He saves his Mr Hyde routine for the blogosphere.
More MegaWatts Anthony! Warp Factor 10 if you please. Damn those pesky torpedoes, full steam ahead!! (apologies to Admiral Farragut & Capt. Kirk).
Cheers
Coops
In the style of Dr Zeuss…
Around the land,
the kiwi’s cry,
Watts Up With That?,
in the sky,
Watts Up With That?,
down on the plain,
Watts Up With That?,
there and back again.
The Blogsphere,
resounds with clamour,
the green fiasco,
has lost its glamour,
the trees they breathe,
the cee-oh-two,
lucky for me,
lucky for you.
Watts Up With That?,
Its easy friend!
That swell fellow Anthony,
is at it again,
Watts Up With That?,
The kiwi’s cry,
the warmista’s are now
eating humble pie.
Keep it up Sir, although Kiwi’s love a good fantasy trilogy, Envirofraud, Ecofraud and Greenwash aren’t among them.
10:10 Eco funny email
Boycott
10:10 No Pressure a UK taxpayer funded pro climate change propoganda snuff film written by Richard Curtis and directed by Douglas Wilson
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfnddMpzPsM[/url]
[snip]
Text of apology by 10:10 team, so arrogant.
Sorry
We missed the mark with today’s ‘No Pressure’ video, and have removed it from our website
1 Oct 10
Today we put up a mini-movie about 10:10 and climate change called ‘No Pressure’.
With climate change becoming increasingly threatening, and decreasingly talked about in the media, we wanted to find a way to bring this critical issue back into the headlines whilst making people laugh. We were therefore delighted when Britain’s leading comedy writer, Richard Curtis – writer of Blackadder, Four Weddings, Notting Hill and many others – agreed to write a short film for the 10:10 campaign. Many people found the resulting film extremely funny, but unfortunately some didn’t and we sincerely apologise to anybody we have offended.
As a result of these concerns we’ve taken it off our website. We won’t be making any attempt to censor or remove other versions currently in circulation on the internet.
We’d like to thank the 50+ film professionals and 40+ actors and extras and who gave their time and equipment to the film for free. We greatly value your contributions and the tremendous enthusiasm and professionalism you brought to the project.
At 10:10 we’re all about trying new and creative ways of getting people to take action on climate change. Unfortunately in this instance we missed the mark. Oh well, we live and learn.
Onwards and upwards,
Franny, Lizzie, Eugenie and the whole 10:10 team
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I have not watched this video, but the impression I am getting from these comments disturbs me for a very particular reason:
The point of an education is to teach our children to think for themselves. Our schools are not supposed to be producing mindless drones that only parrot back what they are told. Yet, this is exactly what the producers of this film seem to be extolling — Do not think for yourself / Thinking is dangerous. It is a very Orwellian message that deserves all the scorn being heaped upon it.
Steele adds a note:
“Note: I understand that I have invoked Godwin’s Law of Reductio ad Hitlerum, but I believe it is absolutely justified by the video in question.”
Either Godwin’s Law does not apply in Global Warming discussions, or the warmist side lost years ago when they started using the term “denier.”
Or possibly both…
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