NOAA it's 12AM, do you know where your metadata is?

For example, until surfacestations volunteer Juan Slayton photographed it, there was no metadata to record the fact that this official USHCN station of record is sited over a tombstone.

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Image: NOAA USHCN COOP station at Hanksville, UT, sited over a grave. Click for larger image. Photo by surfacestations volunteer Juan Slayton

From Dr. Roger Pielke Senior:

Candid Admissions On Shortcomings In The Land Surface Temperature Data [GHCN and USHCN] At The September Exeter Meeting

At the meeting in Exeter, UK September 7-9, 2010 ,

Surface temperature datasets for the 21st Century

there were several  candid admissions with respect to the robustness of the global and USA surface temperature record that are being used for multidecadal surface temperature trend assessments (such as for the 2007 IPCC report).

These admissions were made despite the failure of the organizers to actually do what they claimed when they organized the meeting. In their announcement prior to the meeting [and this information has been removed in their update after the meeting] they wrote

“To be effective the meeting will have to be relatively small but, as stated above, stringent efforts will be made to entrain input from non-attendees in advance.”

In asking colleagues (such as my co-authors on our 2007 JGR paper)

Pielke Sr., R.A., C. Davey, D. Niyogi, S. Fall, J. Steinweg-Woods, K. Hubbard, X. Lin, M. Cai, Y.-K. Lim, H. Li, J. Nielsen-Gammon, K. Gallo, R. Hale, R. Mahmood, S. Foster, R.T. McNider, and P. Blanken, 2007: Unresolved issues with the assessment of multi-decadal global land surface temperature trends. J. Geophys. Res., 112, D24S08, doi:10.1029/2006JD008229

which has raised serious issues with the USHCN and GHCN analyses, none of us were “entrained” to provide input.

Nonetheless, despite the small number of individuals who were invited to be involved, there still are quite important admissions of shortcomings.

These include those from Tom Peterson

who stated in slide 8

“We need to respond to a wide variety of concerns – Though not necessarily all of them”

[from Introductory remarks – Tom Peterson];

Matt Menne, Claude Williams and Jay Lawrimore who reported that

“[GHCN Monthly]Version 2 released in 1997….but without station histories for stations outside the USA)”

“Undocumented changes [in the USHCN] can be as prevalent as documented changes even when extensive (digitized) metadata are available”

“Collectively station changes [in the USHCN] often have nearly random impacts, but even slight deviations from random matter greatly”

“Outside of the USA ~60% of the GHCN Version 3 average temperature trends are larger following homogenization”

“There is a need to identify gradual as well as abrupt changes in bias (but it is may (sic) be problematic to adjust for abrupt changes only)”

“Automation is the only realistic approach to deal with large datasets”

“More work is required to assess and quantify uncertainties in bias adjustments”

“Critiques of surface temperature data and processing methods are increasingly coming from non traditional scientific sources (non peer reviewed) and the issue raised may be too numerous and too frequent for a small group of traditional scientists to address”

“There is a growing interest in the nature of surface temperature data (reaching up to the highest levels of government)”

from Lessons learnt from US Historical Climate Network and Global Historical Climate Network most recent homogenisation cycle – Matt Menne;

and Peter Thorne from Agreed outcomes – Peter Thorne who wrote

“Usage restrictions

Realistically we are not suddenly going to have open unrestricted access to all withheld data. In some areas this is the majority of the data.”

There are very important admissions in these presentations.  First, outside of the USA,  there is inadequate (or no) publicly available information on station histories, yet these data are still used to create a “homogenized” global average surface temperature trend which reaches up to the “highest level of government”.  Even in the USA, there are undocumented issues.

While the organizers of the Exeter meeting are seeking to retain its leadership role in national and international assessments of the observed magnitude of global warming, it is clear that serious problems exist in using this data for this purpose. We will  post information on several new papers when ready to introduce readers of this weblog to quantification of additional systematic biases in the use of this data for long-term surface land temperature trend assessments.

There is a need, however, to accept that the primary metric for assessing global warming and cooling should be upper ocean heat content, since from 2004 onward the spatial coverage is clearly adequate for this purpose (e.g. see).  While there, of course, is a need for regional land surface temperature measurements including anomalies and long-term trends, for obtaining a global average climate system heat content change the oceans are clearly the more appropriate source of this information.

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pytlozvejk
September 21, 2010 3:46 pm

It’s a pedantic point, but I notice that the time stamp on the photos is obviously wrong. They’re all marked as being taken around 7:30 pm PST. That would make it 8:30 pm in Utah. There’s no way that it’s still daylight in late December at 8:30 pm, so either the date is wrong, or the time is wrong. Given the snow on the ground, I suspect the date is about right. The thing is that if people want to challenge the quality of the data in the surface stations project, they will pick on points like this. “If your camera can’t even show the correct time, how can we trust …” bla bla bla. You may want to head off that sort of response by noting in advance which elements of the data have errors, whether the errors are significant, etc.

BarryW
September 21, 2010 3:57 pm

Oh, now I get it. The station is no longer being used, so it’s a “dead” station and they were respectful enough to put up a marker!

juanslayton
September 21, 2010 6:37 pm

pytlozvejk:
Good eyes, and point well taken. All my pictures that day were about 12 hrs off on the time stamp. Don’t know how that happened. The actual date and time for Hanksville was 8:30 AM PST (9:30 MTN) on December 28. (This was noted on the site survey form in the gallery.) Now if someone can tell me how to correct the time stamp….
John

Tim
September 22, 2010 1:10 am

How many would be willing to go and take photos of their nearest surface temp station? Perhaps a published database would assist.

Wayne Richards
September 22, 2010 1:21 am

Really? A Surface Station mounted atop a tombstone? What would that do to the body of data? A grave situation indeed.

Pamela Gray
September 22, 2010 6:30 am

Selling a piece of equipment that works is a powerful incentive to sell something that actually, really, works, because if it does, it will sell itself without the need for a 4 page article and press conference staged by bespectacled white coats. If it doesn’t work, you will simply go out of business if that is all you are selling, or in the old days “git run outa town by the long end of a two barrelled contraption”.
Saying something works in a well thought out (spinned?) article without having the actual piece of equipment scrutinized by the buying public is an entirely different incentive. This is when we start thinkin’ “snake oil” and “run-em outa town” when we “git ahold” of the physical product and discover it was made from “Gramma’s recipe”.
So to the “invited guests only” folks who attended that meeting, go find another gullible country, you had your chance and missed.

John F. Hultquist
September 22, 2010 6:46 pm

I know where my metadata (is) are, but I don’t know when 12AM is.

JRR Canada
September 22, 2010 10:10 pm

So the summary of their meeting was, our parachute is not working?What went so wrong? Every relevation reveals no science was used to produce the AWG product.
I am awed by the over reach and arrogant stupidity.But very much angered by the knowledge I am paying for nitwits like that.No data means no science.Most damning statement was ,we will never release it all. But trust me I’m an expert.

Tim Clark
September 23, 2010 8:20 am

Tim says:
September 22, 2010 at 1:10 am
How many would be willing to go and take photos of their nearest surface temp station? Perhaps a published database would assist.

Its been done. surfacestations.org

bobby hamill
November 15, 2010 3:14 am

Are there any hazen thermometer shelters still standing on the east coast ?
I am looking for one that has the ornamental roof on it . I already have the blueprints to build one but would like to see one in person. there were 2 types . One had double doors hung vertically with a rectangular shaped vent holes in the top.
The other version had a horizontal hung single door and the vent holes in the top were 3 leaf clover shaped.
the one photographed over the headstone at the NOAA USHCN COOP station at Hanksville, UT, looks like the ornamental top has rotted away.
thanks
bobby

bobby hamill
November 15, 2010 4:17 am

UPDATE
that shelter at Hanksville UT is NOT an hazen thermometer shelter what was considered to be a rotten down ornamental top upon closer examination is just some junk piled on top of the standard stevenson screen/cotton region shelter
bobby