Previously I have said this about the lack of integrity regarding the recent Climategate investigations:
The investigations thus far are much like having a trial with judge, jury, reporters, spectators, and defendant, but no plaintiff. The plaintiff is locked outside the courtroom sitting in the hall hollering and hoping the jury hears some of what he has to say. Is it any wonder the verdicts keep coming up “not guilty”?
Now from Bishop Hill we learn that it appears that the Oxburgh investigation let Dr. Phil Jones endorse what evidence (papers he’s published) to review. So let me amend what I said above:
The investigations thus far are much like having a trial with judge, jury, reporters, spectators, and defendant, but no plaintiff. The plaintiff is locked outside the courtroom sitting in the hall hollering and hoping the jury hears some of what he has to say. And, to add insult to injury, when you let the accused endorse which pieces of evidence might be a “fair sample”, is it any wonder the verdicts keep coming up “not guilty”?
This entire mess is snowballing again with UEA, CRU, and Dr. Jones right at the center again.
Details here at Bishop Hill who writes:
Well, now we know who the redactions were. The contact through with the Royal Society was through Martin Rees – we knew that already. The other redaction, the other person consulted about whether the sample of papers was reasonable, was…Phil Jones.
Now, whichever way you look at it, this is a funny question to put to the accused if one’s objective is a fair trial. I mean, what could Jones say? “You’ve picked all my bad papers”? And of course Jones must have known that the sample was not representative.
Gobsmacked I am, surprised I am not.
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Manfred says:
July 19, 2010 at 1:54 pm
“what is the process in Britain to remove the title from a “Lord” ?”
Have him change his name to Monckton and, as we’ve seen here, the AGW netizens will try to take care of it ;o)
Funny, I just heard this comment from a pro-warmer who said…..”meowwwwwwwwww”
I have been critical for years about how we run things in Canada but my god this makes Ottawa look good and Washington look not so bad. That unfortunately is faint praise. I suspect this is the inevitable result of mixing politics and science. That mix is spelled whitewash.
As a Managing Director of a Public Company in Canada, I am about to recommend that anything we purchase from Britain must be canceled, if this is any indication of their intelligence then the quality must be retrospective .
George Tetley
Robert E. Phelan, July 19, 2010 at 1:44 pm, “It’s time, and past time, for Parliament and Congress to initiate serious, thorough, transparent and scrupulous investigations.”
I don’t know about Parliament, but I do know that Congress will become serious, thorough, transparent, and scrupulous some time after the General Resurrection. Therefore, expect nothing soon.
To me, this appears to demonstrate that these people at the CRU are guilty as charged. If they need to have such a biased, one sided, investigation where the “defendant” gets to present the case for the prosecution, and the prosecutors are barred from the process entirely, then they MUST be guilty.
If they have nothing to hide, then they have nothing to fear from a fully open, transparent investigation with ALL the emails and scientific papers and publications being examined properly and independently.
This STILL has not happened.
David, UK: July 19, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Come on pro-warmers, I’m sure we’d all love to hear what you have to say about this. What? Cat got your tongues?
Kitty’s perched there waiting for his share of the crow coming his way…
Beyond astounding.
Phil Jones must have presented a “robust” defence of his position, at least behind the scenes. LOL
Every UK reader must e-mail their MP and those MPs who sat on the “inquiry”, especially Graham Stringer(?) insisting that this be revisited. Suggest that a formal Parliamentary enquiry be set up to examine the “science” of AGW with depositions from both sides of the argument.
Our present coalition government is committed to disastrous energy policies.
It is time this nonsense was stopped.
Very sad to hear S. Schneider has died, my condolences to his family for the sad loss.
So it went something like this … “Why should I give you my questionable papers when you’ll only try to find something wrong with them”. Which is of course bovine poo because the inquiry didn’t try to find anything wrong.
I now leave you, gentlemen of the jury, to retire, to carefully consider your verdict of “Not Guilty”
The ‘cheek’ of these people is unbelievable. I mean – really. How utterly stupid of them. Good Lord.
So now – any responsible journalist would HAVE to investigate the cover-up in a true ClimateGATE fashion?
Anyone? Anyone? Hello?
Parliament? You guys got ‘owned’, ha ha ha! It must be so embarrassing for you!
The most amazing thing is that they apparently can’t have seen anything wrong with the way they did it. If they did then surely they’re not so clueless to think that they would get away with it are they ? Surely not, they can’t be that detached from reality can they ? The arrogance of these people beggars belief.
It reminds me of the Enron story, the smartest guys in the room. Just how dumb do they think everyone else is ? Very dumb, obviously.
The statistical edifice that they have constructed isn’t even built on foundations of sand, it’s built on nothing but hot air which has been homogenized to appear much warmer than it actually is. No wonder their balloon is shrinking. Wow.
Manfred says:
July 19, 2010 at 1:54 pm
what is the process in Britain to remove the title from a “Lord” ?
As I remember, it has something to do with the Tower of London, [snip]
While investigations need to commence, and I believe Schneider’s influence forms part of the bedrock that sent climate research over the edge, I too send my condolences to Schneider’s family. 65 is too early.
What’s all the hub bub about?! We had a fair investigation, where the accused ne’r do well was granted the reich, er, uhmm right to suppress unfavorable evidence and approve favorable evidence to clear himself. Sheeeesh! Now I see why they call you Deniers – You just can’t accept a fair hearing!
/sarc off
Come on pro-warmers, I’m sure we’d all love to hear what you have to say about this. What? Cat got your tongues?
Er… have you actually read Oxburgh? E.g.
The eleven representative publications that the Panel considered in detail are
listed in Appendix B. The papers cover a period of more than twenty years and
were selected on the advice of the Royal Society. All had been published in
international scientific journals and had been through a process of peer review.
CRU agreed that they were a fair sample of the work of the Unit.The Panel
was also free to ask for any other material that it wished and did so.
Individuals on the panel asked for and reviewed other CRU research materials.
So we already knew that ‘CRU’ endorsed the paper selection – we know now that this was done by the Director of the Unit. Well, I am shocked, just shocked, I tell you.
Bishop Hill is the new Bernstein, no mistake.
REPLY: And you are a dutiful apologist, make no mistake. You haven’t done a damn thing except whine. Bishop Hill at least does the work while you complain.
And since Dr. Jones was supposed to be “disemployed” from CRU as director pending the outcomes of the investigation(s), how do you reconcile that? I daresay you’d endorse anything coming out of there while being faux shocked. But then faux is in fashion there isn’t it? -Anthony
Being a lifelong Chicago resident, I thought nothing would shock me….after all, such brazen shenanigans are the rule of law hereabouts.
However, I must admit, this brings our cherished Chicago traditions to the global arena! Quite amazing.
President Obama tried his best in Copenhagen (both for the Chicago Olympics bid and COP 15), but even he couldn’t sully the Europeans as well as Jones did!
It’s a shame but not surprising that Phil Jones lacked the character to recognize this for the dishonesty it is and to refuse to provide that list of evidence. He seems patently incapable of doing the right thing even when it concerns specifically, a search for the truth.
He’s put his legacy in stone: “Here rests Phil Jones’ integrity”. No matter – it was apparantly little used.
This simply compounds the scandal. Damage limitation by the University may have failed. The problems with the CRU data, as exemplified by the “Harry_read_me.txt” file, appear to be fundamental and far reaching, but have not been addressed. These issues should be, as they seem to point to flagrant scientific fraud.
I can only suggest that every Brit writes to their MP to protest and the every academic writes to the Vice-Chancellor of the University of East Anglia to object to the lack of honesty in his dealing wth this scandal since the credibility of British science is diminished by this episode. You might also write to Chris Huhne (the Liberal-Democrat Minister for Energy and climate change) but frankly this would be trying to make a rational argument with a cretin.
Surely by now there must be enough evidence of cheating, lying, illegal procurement and use of public funds to warrent a criminal trial.
I think the better analogy would be:
“The investigations thus far are much like having a trial with judge, jury, reporters, spectators, and defendant, but no plaintiff. The plaintiff is locked outside the courtroom. The only accusatory evidence that is permitted to be presented is that approved by the accused”.
So, will Moonbat make any mention of this? He seemed rather critical of the reviews.
Wow, just wow! This would be totally beyond belief except that it involved the pope of the AGW movement. Can’t have the religious doctrine of the AGW questioned, now can we? If this crap continues much longer, it is likely to cause the death of real science. And that will be a disaster worst than anything “global warming” could ever cause.