I’m waiting for actual photos of the event from the official photographer, but for now I’ll make do with what can be found on the Internet. For those who don’t know, the Oxford Union is the top of the food chain for scholarly debate. This is a significant win.

Founded in 1823 at the University of Oxford, but maintaining a separate charter from the University, The Oxford Union is host to some of the most skillful debates in the world. Many eminent scholars and personalities have come and either debated or delivered speeches in the chamber. Monckton was invited as part of the formal Thursday debate.
It is described as follows:
The Union is the world’s most prestigious debating society, with an unparalleled reputation for bringing international guests and speakers to Oxford. It has been established for 182 years, aiming to promote debate and discussion not just in Oxford University, but across the globe.
Here is a view inside from a previous debate:

From the SPPI Blog, an account of the debate:
Oxford Union Debate on Climate Catastrophe
Source: SPPI
Army of Light and Truth 135, Forces of Darkness 110
For what is believed to be the first time ever in England, an audience of university undergraduates has decisively rejected the notion that “global warming” is or could become a global crisis. The only previous defeat for climate extremism among an undergraduate audience was at St. Andrew’s University, Scotland, in the spring of 2009, when the climate extremists were defeated by three votes.
Last week, members of the historic Oxford Union Society, the world’s premier debating society, carried the motion “That this House would put economic growth before combating climate change” by 135 votes to 110. The debate was sponsored by the Science and Public Policy Institute, Washington DC.
Serious observers are interpreting this shock result as a sign that students are now impatiently rejecting the relentless extremist propaganda taught under the guise of compulsory environmental-studies classes in British schools, confirming opinion-poll findings that the voters are no longer frightened by “global warming” scare stories, if they ever were.
When the Union’s president, Laura Winwood, announced the result in the Victorian-Gothich Gladstone Room, three peers cheered with the undergraduates, and one peer drowned his sorrows in beer.
Lord Lawson of Blaby, Margaret Thatcher’s former finance minister, opened the case for the proposition by saying that the economic proposals put forward by the UN’s climate panel and its supporters did not add up. It would be better to wait and see whether the scientists had gotten it right. It was not sensible to make expensive spending commitments, particularly at a time of great economic hardship, when the effectiveness of the spending was gravely in doubt and when it might do more harm than good.
At one point, Lord Lawson was interrupted by a US student, who demanded to know what was his connection with the Science and Public Policy Institute, and what were the Institute’s sources of funding. Lord Lawson was cheered when he said he neither knew nor cared who funded the Institute.
Ms. Zara McGlone, Secretary of the Oxford Union, opposed the motion, saying that greenhouse gases had an effect [they do, but it is very small]; that the precautionary principle required immediate action, just in case and regardless of expense [but one must also bear in mind the cost of the precautions themselves, which can and often do easily exceed the cost of inaction]; that Bangladesh was sinking beneath the waves [a recent study by Prof. Niklas Moerner shows that sea level in Bangladesh has actually fallen]; that the majority of scientists believed “global warming” was a problem [she offered no evidence for this]; and that “irreversible natural destruction” would occur if we did nothing [but she did not offer any evidence].
Mr. James Delingpole, a blogger for the leading British conservative national newspaper The Daily Telegraph, seconded the proposition, saying that – politically speaking – the climate extremists had long since lost the argument. The general public simply did not buy the scare stories any more. The endless tales of Biblical disasters peddled by the alarmist faction were an unwelcome and now fortunately failed recrudescence of dull, gray Puritanism. Instead of hand-wringing and bed-wetting, we should celebrate the considerable achievements of the human race and start having fun.
Lord Whitty, a Labor peer from the trades union movement and, until recently, Labor’s Environment Minister in the Upper House, said that the world’s oil supplies were rapidly running out [in fact, record new finds have been made in the past five years]; that we needed to change our definition of economic growth to take into account the value lost when we damaged the environment [it is artificial accounting of this kind that has left Britain as bankrupt as Greece after 13 years of Labor government]; that green jobs created by governments would help to end unemployment [but Milton Friedman won his Nobel Prize for economics by demonstrating that every artificial job created at taxpayers’ expense destroys two real jobs in the wealth-producing private sector]; that humans were the cause of most of the past century’s warming [there is no evidence for that: the case is built on speculation by programmers of computer models]; that temperature today was at its highest in at least 40 million years [in fact, it was higher than today by at least 12.5 F° for most of the past 550 million years]; and that 95% of scientists believed our influence on the climate was catastrophic [no one has asked them].
Lord Monckton repeatedly interrupted Lord Whitty to ask him to give a reference in the scientific literature for his suggestion that 95% of scientists believed our influence on the climate was catastrophic. Lord Whitty was unable to provide the source for his figure, but said that everyone knew it was true. Under further pressure from Lord Monckton, Lord Whitty conceded that the figure should perhaps be 92%. Lord Monckton asked: “And your reference is?” Lord Whitty was unable to reply. Hon. Members began to join in, jeering “Your reference? Your reference?” Lord Whitty sat down looking baffled.
Lord Leach of Fairford, whom Margaret Thatcher appointed a Life Peer for his educational work, spoke third for the proposition. He said that we no longer knew whether or not there had been much “global warming” over the 20th century, because the Climategate emails had exposed the terrestrial temperature records as defective. In any event, he said, throwing good money after bad on various alternative-energy boondoggles was unlikely to prove profitable in the long term and would ultimately do harm.
Mr. Rajesh Makwana, executive director of “Share The World’s Resources”, speaking third for the opposition, said that climate change was manmade [but he did not produce any evidence for that assertion]; that CO2 emissions were growing at 3% a year [but it is concentrations, not emissions, that may in theory affect climate, and concentrations are rising at a harmless 0.5% a year]; that the UN’s climate panel had forecast a 7 F° “global warming” for the 21st century [it’s gotten off to a bad start, with a cooling of 0.2 F° so far]; and that the consequences of “global warming” would be dire [yet, in the audience, sat Mr. Klaus-Martin Schulte, whose landmark paper of 2008 had established that not one of 539 scientific papers on “global climate change” provided any evidence whatsoever that “global warming” would be catastrophic].
Lord Monckton, a former science advisor to Margaret Thatcher during her years as Prime Minister of the UK, concluded the case for the proposition. He drew immediate laughter and cheers when he described himself as “Christopher Walter, Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, scholar, philanthropist, wit, man about town, and former chairman of the Wines and Spirits Committee of this honourable Society”. At that point his cummerbund came undone. He held it up to the audience and said, “If I asked this House how long this cummerbund is, you might telephone around all the manufacturers and ask them how many cummerbunds they made, and how long each type of cummerbund was, and put the data into a computer model run by a zitty teenager eating too many doughnuts, and the computer would make an expensive guess. Or you could take a tape-measure and” – glaring at the opposition across the despatch-box – “measure it!” [cheers].
Lord Monckton said that real-world measurements, as opposed to models, showed that the warming effect of CO2 was a tiny fraction of the estimates peddled by the UN’s climate panel. He said that he would take his lead from Lord Lawson, however, in concentrating on the economics rather than the science. He glared at the opposition again and demanded whether, since they had declared themselves to be so worried about “global warming”, they would care to tell him – to two places of decimals and one standard deviation – the UN’s central estimate of the “global warming” that might result from a doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration. The opposition were unable to reply. Lord Monckton told them the answer was 3.26 plus or minus 0.69 Kelvin or Celsius degrees. An Hon. Member interrupted: “And your reference is?” Lord Monckton replied: “IPCC, 2007, chapter 10, box 10.2.” [cheers]. He concluded that shutting down the entire global economy for a whole year, with all the death, destruction, disaster, disease and distress that that would cause, would forestall just 4.7 ln(390/388) = 0.024 Kelvin or Celsius degrees of “global warming”, so that total economic shutdown for 41 years would prevent just 1 K of warming. Adaptation as and if necessary would be orders of magnitude cheaper and more cost-effective.
Mr. Mike Mason, founder and managing director of “Climate Care”, concluded for the opposition. He said that the proposition were peculiar people, and that Lord Monckton was more peculiar than most, in that he was not a real Lord. Lord Monckton, on a point of order, told Mr. Mason that the proposition had avoided personalities and that if Mr. Mason were unable to argue other than ad hominem he should “get out”. [cheers] Mr. Mason then said that we had to prepare for climate risks [yes, in both directions, towards cooler as well as warmer]; and that there was a “scientific consensus” [but he offered no evidence for the existence of any such consensus, still less for the notion that science is done by consensus].
The President thanked the speakers and expressed the Society’s gratitude to the Science and Public Policy Institute for sponsoring the debate. Hon. Members filed out of the Debating Chamber, built to resemble the interior of the House of Commons, and passed either side of the brass division-pole at the main door – Ayes to the right 135, Noes to the left 110. Motion carried.
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Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
IT’S THE SUN !!! Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet’s recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced !!!
Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance .
>>A French bastard landing with an armed Banditti and establishing
>>himself king of England against the consent of the natives….”
Actually, to be more precise, William the Conquerer of Normandy was actually a Scandinavian Viking.
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51837
http://www.gasresources.net/index.htm
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3952
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-09/07/content_6088611.htm
the supplied links should give food for thought to anyone who believes peak oil is a threat.
“The deep hot biosphere” by thomas gold further clears this misconception.
The trash spoon fed to us all via the msm more than puts me off debate – but pleased to see some progress!
“”” Mike says:
May 25, 2010 at 3:48 pm
George E. Smith says:
May 25, 2010 at 12:19 pm
“”” Mike says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:06 pm
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George Smith: No one has projected that Earth will end up like Venus, not even Heisenberg. “””
Well you never heard me say that anybody has projected that either. Perhaps you can then educate us all, and explain to those of us that don’t get it; just why the MMGWCC crowd then keep on mentioning ad nauseum that Venus is a fiery furnace due to CO2 global warming. If they are not intimating that might happen on earth; why the hell are they even mentioning it. I don’t see the AGW crowd ever mentioning who is the current challenger of record for the next Americas Cup Challenge; so why do they even mention something else equally irrelevent; as the Planet Venus ?
George, you remind of students who do not do the reading before the lecture and then complain that the lecture is unclear. You see bits and pieces of news reports and blog posts, so of course you don’t have a coherent picture of the issues being debated. As to the particular question you asked: Venus is used as a classic illustration of the greenhouse effect, “””
“”” Venus is used as a classic illustration of the greenhouse effect, “””
Let me see if I have this straight. No sunlight reaches the surface of Venus (because of its dense atmosphere); but it is the poster boy for the “greenhouse” effect. That is a truly magnificent structure; complete suppresion of 6000 K solar spectrum radiation; thereby preventing the solar heating of the surface.
Ergo, the atmosphere which is blocking the solar radiation from the surface; must itself be heated by that solar radiation; so any heating (continuous) of the surface would have to be by direct conduction from the heated atmosphere.
If there is no solar spectrum radiation reaching the surface, there can be no “green house effect” at all, which converts short wavelength solar spectrum energy into longer wavelength thermal radiation.
Since Venus has no oceans (so far as I am aware) there isn’t any water feedback as we have on earth.
So which is it; is Venus the definitive example of “greenhouse effect” warming (spectrum shift) or is it just a mundane case of direct atmospheric heating from the outside; resulting in conductive heating of the surface. It surely can’t be both.
Yes I am familiar with students who have to be hit between the eyes with a 2 x 4 before anything sinks in; that’s because they have never been taught critical thinking.
The man in the street has been trained by the news media reports of statements by the peer reviewed scientific “experts” to believe that earth will experience a runaway thermal meltdown and end up like Venus; if they don’t change their lightbulbs to compact fluorescents.
Those very same scientific “experts” have found it convenient to not make it their responsibility to see that such misconceptions are corretced and to do so in each and every instance where the “media drop the ball. Well if the public knew the truth; the gravy train would come to a screeching halt wouldn’t it Mike ?
Yes; that which we erroneously call “the greenhouse effect”; but that we do understand the proper mechanisms for; is certainly active on planet earth; whether or not any such process occurs on Venus or anywhere else.
BUT !! On earth we do have oceans; and the physical/chemical, and biological properties of the H2O molecule act in all three phases of normal matter to totally disrupt whatever the “greenhouse effect” is trying to do.
In which case the role of CO2 is somewhat irrelevent to earth’s climate stability. We can get a free demonstration of the ineffectual nature of CO2 “warming” by simply sleeping out under the stars in some high desert location; such as Mojave California for example. If we had to rely on CO2 for warming of the planet, we would all freeze.
Mike says:
May 25, 2010 at 3:15 pm
(quoting Peter Miller said (May 25, 2010 at 1:36 pm):
“Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, all the scientists I know work in the private sector and therefore are not told what to think or say if they want to keep their jobs.”
Mike’s comment:
I have worked in industry. You can be fired for any reason. As an academic I have tenure and cannot be fired for expressing a contrary opinion. Your statement is so completely backwards that I suspect you know you are being disingenuous.
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So, that means as an “academic scientist” you (like Mann, those in the UK who distorted their results, and others so vigorously defended and whitewashed by the academic society) cannot held liable or accountable for your (deliberate ?) propaganda, deception, mis-appropriation of funds and (deliberate ?) skewing of scientific results?
How comforting.
Now, name a AGW advocate who has been censured or had his funding cut for spewing the party line. Funny: I can find many who have been fired and cut off of grants and research for NOT following the propaganda, but who DID have the courage to follow their conscious and morals in speaking out AGAINST the AGW (socialist) line. The AGW community protects and covers up its own most successfully.
How much funding have you returned because you knew you were going to wasting my children, grandchildren, and their grandchildren (tax-payer-stolen) money? How many children in Africa cannot get malaria treatment because Mann is taking 1.8 million dollars to put in Penn State’s coffers to create more AGW propaganda?
Ralph says:
May 25, 2010 at 4:29 am
Ralph,
He’s a Lord. Can you deal with it? The Queen made him a Lord. Until the Queen un-Lords him he’s a Lord.
And, by the way, do you have anything significant to say?
Wren says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:06 pm
[snip – off topic politics]
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I’m sure he/she couldn’t help him/herself. IPolitics is all poor Wren knows.
Mike says:
May 25, 2010 at 3:34 pm
“The Iron Lady is not dead. Joe”
You got me, but I’ve already copped to that error almost immediately after hitting send. See above. I deserve the rebuke for not verifying. As Reagan once said trust but verify. Your link dates to a speech that Thatcher gave nearly +20 years ago. I’d be curious to know if Thatcher was still in command of her faculties if she would still be on board the CAGW band wagon in terms of the “solutions” that are being proposed and/or implemented.
I must admit that I did not know how deep Thatcher was into the green deal. She was apparently a believer in the ozone hole, the rain forest deal, and CAGW. I think even you will concede that the rain forest scare was way overblown.
We’re told that many of the what passes for conservatives in the UK are heavily into CAGW. On that basis one cannot say that CAGW belief is exclusive to the left, but when one looks at it the solutions proposed for CAGW they are a leftist’s wet dream.
George M. Smith needs to do his integrals- he has woefully underestimated how absorption shifts can alter upward welling irradiance as GHG line and band spectra move relative to the blackbody peak with temperature changes- an order of magnitude separates the flux from +50 to -50 C
He also seems oblivious to ground, sea surface and cloud albedo interactions with evaporation rates and levels of cloud cover and aerosol IR activity.
Mike should note that some of us AGW proponents are as actively involved in the defense of the America’s Cup as we are skeptical of climate hype and the pretensions of unemployable TV weathermen and House Of Lords rejects.
If he knows of a challenge , he should hold his peace, as disclosing the fact before the GGYC acknowledges it would be as deplorable as reading other people’s e-mail.
Epistemic Closure,
You are a fool.
Monckton kicked ass on your incompetent believers in CAGW. He rubbed their ignorant noses in the playground sand, and all your impotent protestations won’t change that fact.
And George M. Smith has forgotten more physics than you will ever learn — while you sound like some coddled Ivy League tenured know-it-all, who advanced only through progressive butt-kissing.
Provide solid, testable, empirical evidence that what we are observing today is outside the limits of past climate parameters. Otherwise, your silly CAGW conjecture is debunked.
Mike: Are you serious?? Did you read who they polled in the stats?? It wasn’t a cross section of scientists. It was a cross section of scientists known to believe that global warming is occuring. It is a completely useless survey.
How about dealing with the 30 000 scientists who do not believe man-made global warming is occuring vs the “489 self-identified members of either the American Meteorological Society or the American Geophysical Union who are listed in the current edition of American Men and Women of Science”
Jason says:
May 25, 2010 at 9:59 am
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
– Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme
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Thanks for compiling that most revealing string of quotes. pretty much sums up what’s behind the AGW curtain. This ‘global crisis’ demands a global serfdom, apparently. I have copied your list for future reference.
Feet2thefire: “They BELIEVE.”
Since surveys of this type measure opinion they are by necessity couched in terms of belief or similar.
An opinion survey cannot credibly claim that a certain percentage of its respondents “know” that X is occurring, while a certain percentage of respondents “know” that X is not occurring.
In this respect, as in many everyday situations, “I believe” is similar in meaning to “I think that such and such is the case”, and “belief” is more or less synonymous with “opinion”, “viewpoint” etc.
As for the Oxford Union debate, these sorts of occasions are primarily contests of rhetorical skill rather than content.
In regard to his Lordship’s title, Monckton is a hereditary peer (whose lineage goes all the way back to 1957), so he inherited the title by accident of birth. This is not to detract from his substantial career achievements, but becoming a hereditary peer requires little skill, rhetorical or otherwise.
Go! Lord Monckton Go!
I made a compilation of documentary films about the global warming scam for free online viewing at this blog.
Check it out here [scroll down to view]:
http://globalwarmingscamfilms.blogspot.com
In re Robert Smart,
See also David MacKay’s book, downloadable online, Sustainable Energy – Without the Hot Air.
George E. Smith –
Criminy! Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle applies only to atom-sized and sub-atomic particles. It is too small of a phenomenon to apply to macroscopic objects, let alone climatic systems. It does not create any barrier to measuring global temperature.
George E. Smith again –
If the atmosphere were full of sufficient massive quantities of GHG (eg. like 88 atmospheres of CO2, or tens of atmospheres of water vapor), these could block a very large fraction of the IR leaving the surface. In this way, the surface could radiate tens of thousands of W/m2 (as does Venus), while the atmosphere absorbs and reradiates back downward the same tens of thousands minus the hundreds of watts/m2 that make it out to space from the top of the atmosphere.
As altitude increases, temperature falls. Each higher layer of the atmosphere radiates less energy up and down, until finally at the highest layers, there is little GHG for the radiation to pass through and the hundreds of watts/m2 escapes into space. (While at the same time hundreds of w/m2 are reradiated back downward.)
This is how the surface of a planet can radiate much more energy than the solar radiation coming in at the top of the atmosphere. It is a very basic principle of GH warming.
If I understand correctly, the vote by the undergrads was NOT about whether AGW is real or whether temperatures will climb by 2 – 4C (global average) by the end of the century but
about whether or not we should spend lots of money to stop it.
“This house would put economic growth before combatting climate change.”
That is not a repudiation of climate change.
Bill Gates is one of the brightest businessmen of the last century. He has amassed one of the largest personal fortunes in history with his economic acumen.
How has he decided to spend his fortune? Erecting hundreds of windmills and thousand of acres of solar panels to prevent suffering of people not even born yet, that may occur the better part of a century from now and may be more costly to adapt to than dodge?
Or is he spending his fortune trying to wipe out diseases that the for-profit health care system blithely ignores, helping to alleviate the suffering of hundreds of millions who are alive today and now?
Damn that HTML!
>>Amino Acid
>>He’s a Lord. Can you deal with it? The Queen made him a Lord.
>>Until the Queen un-Lords him he’s a Lord.
>>And, by the way, do you have anything significant to say?
He is a Viscount. And the point IS significant.
The ad hominem attack was that Monckton is not a lord, and yet his formal address is ‘My Lord’. Thus the warmists were not only wrong with their data, but wrong in their abuse.
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Jbar says:
May 26, 2010 at 3:41 am [ … ]
Agree, it is not the job of private companies to spend their capital to alleviate the suffering of people in other countries. That is a function of government.
Private [ie: publicly traded] companies have a fiduciary duty to their shareholders to provide a return on investment. They can be sued for wasting shareholder assets on expenditures that are the responsibility of governments, not private companies.
Bill Gates is spending his own money as he sees fit. Good for Gates. And anyone can emulate him, on a smaller scale. It benefits no one to be critical of how others charitably give their money away, when you can set your own good example by giving away your personal assets, albeit on a smaller scale.
Today, the main beneficiaries of government ‘charity’ are government bureaucrats — not the poor who, as always, get the crumbs. Despite $4 trillion having been spent on the War on Poverty since the Johnson Administration, the poverty rate percentage in the U.S. is essentially unchanged.
“Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
May 25, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Ralph says:
May 25, 2010 at 4:29 am
Ralph,
He’s a Lord. Can you deal with it? The Queen made him a Lord. Until the Queen un-Lords him he’s a Lord.”
The Queen can’t “un-Lord” him, “un-Lording” requires attainder and since 1870 (abolition of attaint by confession, verdict and process in the 1870 Forfeiture Act) this has to be done by act of parliament. He could relinquish his title under the 1963 Peerage Act, or it could become extinct on his death if their is no direct heir depending on how the original writ or letters patent creating the title and its succession are written.
Is there anymore clarity you require from “Pedants-R-us” on this topic?…..:-)
(Not that anyone is still reading this far down the page)
Oil will be around for centuries, I’m sure. The problem is supplying it in enough quantities against a burgeoning population intent on driving cars etc. Allied to that, is the fact that over 85% of reserves is state-controlled, and not all of them particularly friendly to the West.
Plus, oil is much more difficult to extract (deep and wide) and refine (tar sands et al) these days. Plus, plus, plus…
Athabasca et al (tar sands) the saviour? Behave! The world consumes around 30bn barrels/year. How much does Athabasca produce?
So, Mike.
a. Since when was science conducted by consensus?
b. how many scientists of those surveyed were climate scientists?
c. what was the sample size?
d. was the sample selection random?
e. Where was the sample taken
I am a scientist. I’m not an AGW believer but I’m a biotechnologist, so what do I know?