I’m waiting for actual photos of the event from the official photographer, but for now I’ll make do with what can be found on the Internet. For those who don’t know, the Oxford Union is the top of the food chain for scholarly debate. This is a significant win.

Founded in 1823 at the University of Oxford, but maintaining a separate charter from the University, The Oxford Union is host to some of the most skillful debates in the world. Many eminent scholars and personalities have come and either debated or delivered speeches in the chamber. Monckton was invited as part of the formal Thursday debate.
It is described as follows:
The Union is the world’s most prestigious debating society, with an unparalleled reputation for bringing international guests and speakers to Oxford. It has been established for 182 years, aiming to promote debate and discussion not just in Oxford University, but across the globe.
Here is a view inside from a previous debate:

From the SPPI Blog, an account of the debate:
Oxford Union Debate on Climate Catastrophe
Source: SPPI
Army of Light and Truth 135, Forces of Darkness 110
For what is believed to be the first time ever in England, an audience of university undergraduates has decisively rejected the notion that “global warming” is or could become a global crisis. The only previous defeat for climate extremism among an undergraduate audience was at St. Andrew’s University, Scotland, in the spring of 2009, when the climate extremists were defeated by three votes.
Last week, members of the historic Oxford Union Society, the world’s premier debating society, carried the motion “That this House would put economic growth before combating climate change” by 135 votes to 110. The debate was sponsored by the Science and Public Policy Institute, Washington DC.
Serious observers are interpreting this shock result as a sign that students are now impatiently rejecting the relentless extremist propaganda taught under the guise of compulsory environmental-studies classes in British schools, confirming opinion-poll findings that the voters are no longer frightened by “global warming” scare stories, if they ever were.
When the Union’s president, Laura Winwood, announced the result in the Victorian-Gothich Gladstone Room, three peers cheered with the undergraduates, and one peer drowned his sorrows in beer.
Lord Lawson of Blaby, Margaret Thatcher’s former finance minister, opened the case for the proposition by saying that the economic proposals put forward by the UN’s climate panel and its supporters did not add up. It would be better to wait and see whether the scientists had gotten it right. It was not sensible to make expensive spending commitments, particularly at a time of great economic hardship, when the effectiveness of the spending was gravely in doubt and when it might do more harm than good.
At one point, Lord Lawson was interrupted by a US student, who demanded to know what was his connection with the Science and Public Policy Institute, and what were the Institute’s sources of funding. Lord Lawson was cheered when he said he neither knew nor cared who funded the Institute.
Ms. Zara McGlone, Secretary of the Oxford Union, opposed the motion, saying that greenhouse gases had an effect [they do, but it is very small]; that the precautionary principle required immediate action, just in case and regardless of expense [but one must also bear in mind the cost of the precautions themselves, which can and often do easily exceed the cost of inaction]; that Bangladesh was sinking beneath the waves [a recent study by Prof. Niklas Moerner shows that sea level in Bangladesh has actually fallen]; that the majority of scientists believed “global warming” was a problem [she offered no evidence for this]; and that “irreversible natural destruction” would occur if we did nothing [but she did not offer any evidence].
Mr. James Delingpole, a blogger for the leading British conservative national newspaper The Daily Telegraph, seconded the proposition, saying that – politically speaking – the climate extremists had long since lost the argument. The general public simply did not buy the scare stories any more. The endless tales of Biblical disasters peddled by the alarmist faction were an unwelcome and now fortunately failed recrudescence of dull, gray Puritanism. Instead of hand-wringing and bed-wetting, we should celebrate the considerable achievements of the human race and start having fun.
Lord Whitty, a Labor peer from the trades union movement and, until recently, Labor’s Environment Minister in the Upper House, said that the world’s oil supplies were rapidly running out [in fact, record new finds have been made in the past five years]; that we needed to change our definition of economic growth to take into account the value lost when we damaged the environment [it is artificial accounting of this kind that has left Britain as bankrupt as Greece after 13 years of Labor government]; that green jobs created by governments would help to end unemployment [but Milton Friedman won his Nobel Prize for economics by demonstrating that every artificial job created at taxpayers’ expense destroys two real jobs in the wealth-producing private sector]; that humans were the cause of most of the past century’s warming [there is no evidence for that: the case is built on speculation by programmers of computer models]; that temperature today was at its highest in at least 40 million years [in fact, it was higher than today by at least 12.5 F° for most of the past 550 million years]; and that 95% of scientists believed our influence on the climate was catastrophic [no one has asked them].
Lord Monckton repeatedly interrupted Lord Whitty to ask him to give a reference in the scientific literature for his suggestion that 95% of scientists believed our influence on the climate was catastrophic. Lord Whitty was unable to provide the source for his figure, but said that everyone knew it was true. Under further pressure from Lord Monckton, Lord Whitty conceded that the figure should perhaps be 92%. Lord Monckton asked: “And your reference is?” Lord Whitty was unable to reply. Hon. Members began to join in, jeering “Your reference? Your reference?” Lord Whitty sat down looking baffled.
Lord Leach of Fairford, whom Margaret Thatcher appointed a Life Peer for his educational work, spoke third for the proposition. He said that we no longer knew whether or not there had been much “global warming” over the 20th century, because the Climategate emails had exposed the terrestrial temperature records as defective. In any event, he said, throwing good money after bad on various alternative-energy boondoggles was unlikely to prove profitable in the long term and would ultimately do harm.
Mr. Rajesh Makwana, executive director of “Share The World’s Resources”, speaking third for the opposition, said that climate change was manmade [but he did not produce any evidence for that assertion]; that CO2 emissions were growing at 3% a year [but it is concentrations, not emissions, that may in theory affect climate, and concentrations are rising at a harmless 0.5% a year]; that the UN’s climate panel had forecast a 7 F° “global warming” for the 21st century [it’s gotten off to a bad start, with a cooling of 0.2 F° so far]; and that the consequences of “global warming” would be dire [yet, in the audience, sat Mr. Klaus-Martin Schulte, whose landmark paper of 2008 had established that not one of 539 scientific papers on “global climate change” provided any evidence whatsoever that “global warming” would be catastrophic].
Lord Monckton, a former science advisor to Margaret Thatcher during her years as Prime Minister of the UK, concluded the case for the proposition. He drew immediate laughter and cheers when he described himself as “Christopher Walter, Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, scholar, philanthropist, wit, man about town, and former chairman of the Wines and Spirits Committee of this honourable Society”. At that point his cummerbund came undone. He held it up to the audience and said, “If I asked this House how long this cummerbund is, you might telephone around all the manufacturers and ask them how many cummerbunds they made, and how long each type of cummerbund was, and put the data into a computer model run by a zitty teenager eating too many doughnuts, and the computer would make an expensive guess. Or you could take a tape-measure and” – glaring at the opposition across the despatch-box – “measure it!” [cheers].
Lord Monckton said that real-world measurements, as opposed to models, showed that the warming effect of CO2 was a tiny fraction of the estimates peddled by the UN’s climate panel. He said that he would take his lead from Lord Lawson, however, in concentrating on the economics rather than the science. He glared at the opposition again and demanded whether, since they had declared themselves to be so worried about “global warming”, they would care to tell him – to two places of decimals and one standard deviation – the UN’s central estimate of the “global warming” that might result from a doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration. The opposition were unable to reply. Lord Monckton told them the answer was 3.26 plus or minus 0.69 Kelvin or Celsius degrees. An Hon. Member interrupted: “And your reference is?” Lord Monckton replied: “IPCC, 2007, chapter 10, box 10.2.” [cheers]. He concluded that shutting down the entire global economy for a whole year, with all the death, destruction, disaster, disease and distress that that would cause, would forestall just 4.7 ln(390/388) = 0.024 Kelvin or Celsius degrees of “global warming”, so that total economic shutdown for 41 years would prevent just 1 K of warming. Adaptation as and if necessary would be orders of magnitude cheaper and more cost-effective.
Mr. Mike Mason, founder and managing director of “Climate Care”, concluded for the opposition. He said that the proposition were peculiar people, and that Lord Monckton was more peculiar than most, in that he was not a real Lord. Lord Monckton, on a point of order, told Mr. Mason that the proposition had avoided personalities and that if Mr. Mason were unable to argue other than ad hominem he should “get out”. [cheers] Mr. Mason then said that we had to prepare for climate risks [yes, in both directions, towards cooler as well as warmer]; and that there was a “scientific consensus” [but he offered no evidence for the existence of any such consensus, still less for the notion that science is done by consensus].
The President thanked the speakers and expressed the Society’s gratitude to the Science and Public Policy Institute for sponsoring the debate. Hon. Members filed out of the Debating Chamber, built to resemble the interior of the House of Commons, and passed either side of the brass division-pole at the main door – Ayes to the right 135, Noes to the left 110. Motion carried.
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Mike says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:06 pm
“Climate change is not going to wipe out humanity, but it is likely AGW will inflict significant hardships. So, let’s look at ways to reduce GHG emissions – we cannot eliminate them. While the cost of doing this is real it is smaller than the likely costs of doing nothing.”
What exactly do you see as the significant hardships that await us in the future.
Catastrophic weather? Almost everything I’ve seen suggests hurricanes, cyclones, tornadoes, droughts and floods have been flat to declining for the period of supposedly unprecedented warming in the decades of this controversy.
Sea level rise? If you double the already doubtful presently claimed trend and straight line it out to 2100, you get 22 inches, as opposed to the 7-9 inches per century that has been occurring for millenia without anyone much noticing.
Disappearing ice? The ice in the Arctic has been declining and we are evidently supposed to view that with great alarm, although the only real detriment claimed for the disappearing ice is possible greater warming, which since we have recently experienced a summer minimum fully 80% of its potential range of decline with no real evidence of this enhanced warming occurring my own reaction remains “so what”
Ocean “acidification”? Ocean dealkalinizing is more correct and there is evidence that mean PH has reduced slightly, but well within the range of its cyclical variability. And since ocean PH is widely variable both temporally and spatially over ranges that are many orders of magnitude greater than any predicted decline in the mean PH claims of catastrophic consequences to species which must deal with that variability to survive seem wildly exaggerated.
You also claim that the cost of suppressing Co2 will be small compared to the potential costs of these looming disasters. I suggest you get yourself a good Econ 101 text, I recommend Thomas Sowell’s, and study the chapter on “opportunity costs” until you can really grok the concept. In a world of finite resources, the choice to do one thing always involves the choice not to do a wide assortment of other things. Bjorn Lomburg and Indur Goklany have both done quite revealing work on how this relates to the proposed GHG solutions.
If none of this still convinces you, consider this. Given the highly unpredictable nature of the future we face, what we will need to maximize to best insure our prospects of survival and prosperity is our adaptability and efficiency. The UN and multinational bureaucracies that we are being enjoined to grant nearly total sovereignty over are lives too, have repeatedly demonstrated themselves to be the least adaptable, least efficient institutions humanity has ever created and putting any part of our future in their hands is a gauranteed recipe for disaster, even if the sacrifice of liberty and prosperity that they demand was somehow found to be tolerable.
Congratulations! It makes sense. I hope that from the students, public, etc., this new way of rationality will spread to higher layers, too.
And this debate took place LAST WEEK ! ! ! !
No mention on the BBC radio or TV or anything in my local paper.
The forces of darkness still prevail here in the UK. 🙁
Wet blanket Larry thinks that a better title for the article would have been:
Alarmists have lost every debate in front of a voting, educated audience
Schlesinger loses to Christy
Gavin Schmidt et al loses to Michael Crichton et al
http://www.crichton-official.com/video-iq2debate-part1.html
What kind of “undergrad” goes to a debate?
Shouldn’t they be out drinking beer, someplace?
Dave Wendt says:
May 24, 2010 at 11:14 pm
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Your post was so damn good I saved it for future reference. Well said!
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
I’m sorry to say that the Oxford Union debate is an irrelevancy. Nobody cares about it any more. It is less significant than the boat race.
The most famous (or nototious) Oxford Union debate in history occurred in 1935. The motion was “That this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country”.
The proposition was voted as having been accepted by 275 to 153. It made headlines around the world. Soon afterwards a Member of Parliament was in Germany and wrote this:
I remember very vividly, a few months after the famous pacifist resolution at the Oxford Union visiting Germany and having a talk with a prominent leader of the young Nazis. He was asking about this pacifist motion and I tried to explain it to him. There was an ugly gleam in his eye when he said, “The fact is that you English are soft”. Then I realized that the world enemies of peace might be the pacifists.”
Four years later England was at war. it would be interesting to find out how many of the 253 reacted to the coming of the conflict.
I am sure Mother Nature was listening and takes it as a vote of no-confidence in her stewardship of the climate.
Three Cheers for M’Lord Monckton!
Hip Hip Hurray
Hip Hip Hurray
Hip Hip Hurray!!
There is some sanity left in Merry Old England… (may the 1/3 or so of my family that is still there find happiness and freedom after all).
@Mike
“Scientists agree that humans cause global warming
Ninety-seven percent of the climate scientists surveyed believe “global average temperatures have increased” during the past century.”
Luckily for us, Science is not a matter of “belief” nor of “agreement”. The notion of “Scientific Consensus” is an absurd oxymoron. Do I really need to run down the litany of wrong things that nearly 100% of scientists believed prior to their being tossed out as trash? Leaches. Cupping. Aether. Static continents. My personal favorite “the Expanding Earth” theory ( there really was a theory that the continents spread due to the earth expanding… where the matter came from being unasked) and such others as Newton being an alchemist and astrologer. Oh, and do remember that Newton was wrong. Einstein showed that he missed a term on the equation that matters at high speeds. And Einstein was shown to be wrong (he did not “believe” in quantum mechanics). And everyone knew the earth was the center of the universe too…
Yes sirrah and sirree, that “belief” and “consensus” method can sure get you into a lot of trouble…
Also, per your economic arguments: Reminds me of that time honored tradition in economic justifications:
“Given these conclusions what assumptions can I draw?”
A standard in most government studies and an essential for all grant requests…
You may be missing the point. The debates are about debate, not right or wrong answers.
Kermit the Frog, controversial television host Jerry Springer, model Jerry Hall and Leonard Nimoy – Star Trek’s Captain Spock – have all addressed the union. Barry White on weighty issues and Richard Nixon on political honesty.
Footballer Diego Maradona famously juggled a golf ball on his foot during his stint while former footballer-turned-presenter Gary Lineker debated the motion “this house would rather participate than commentate”.
The debates are wonderful venues for free speech, but try not to read to much into the results, the debates are fun, but not an academic forum.
A superb extract from the debate at http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/5/24/global-warming-debate-at-oxford.html
“that temperature today was at its highest in at least 40 million years”
Show that idiot the Greenland temperature record. I have added last century and the allegedly anthropogenic contribution made in green.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2uzz32v.jpg
“Lord Whitty was unable to reply. Hon. Members began to join in, jeering “Your reference? Your reference?” Lord Whitty sat down looking baffled.”
More a case of a sincerely held belief being contradicted than a reaction by a member of a political movement engaged in a nefarious conspiracy. Countering sincerely held stupidity is the most difficult of all tasks.
Does anyone know of a good analysis of the politics of energy in the world?
I know it is a big question but somewhere to start…
I’ve been waiting a few years now for real evidence of serious AGW (even flawed models could have been right/lucky) but it just doesn’t materialise. I’m now left concluding it is all about energy and politics.
Lord Monckton debate 24. maj in Cross Talk on Climate at Russian Today
@Mike, I think that you’d have gotten roughly the same answers from sceptics that you got from the scientists. Most sceptics believe the temperature has been rising and that some of the rise in temperature could have been caused by human activities. But let’s get to the nub of the issue, a doubling in CO2, all other things being equal, will give a temperature rise of around 1C. The leap in faith for the believers is that this will be amplified to around 3-5C by water vapour, and this will result in the poles melting, the seas rising, and bizarrely more frequent and violent weather events. Is there any scientific proof for this?
@Human Person Jr:
“The Brits are damned funny, especially when they’re not trying to be. ”
You will never hear a Brit say – “not” to demonstrate they are being funny. Go look at their blogs, no one says “/sarc off”. So you either have their humour and recognise it without neon signs saying “I’m being funny” or you don’t and assume they’re funny when they’re not trying.
Meanwhile back Downunder we were treated to the following ‘intellectual’ discourse reported by Adam Morton …
Climate debate ‘almost infantile’
“A SCIENCE adviser to the federal government has described the debate in the media over the basics of climate change science as ”almost infantile”, equating it to an argument about the existence of gravity.
Speaking at a Melbourne summit on the green economy, Professor Will Steffen criticised the media for treating climate change science as a political issue in which two sides should be given a voice.
While there were uncertainties about the pace and impact of change, he said, the core of climate science – that the world was warming and the primary cause since the middle of the last century had been industrial greenhouse gas emissions – should be accepted with the same confidence as the laws of gravity and relativity.
”It’s a no-brainer. If you go over the last couple of decades you see tens of thousands of papers in the peer-reviewed literature, and you have less than 10 that challenge the fundamentals – and they have been disproved,” Professor Steffen said after an address at the Australian Davos Connection’s Future Summit…”
ADAM MORTON May 25, 2010
http://m.theage.com.au/
http://m.theage.com.au/national/climate-debate-almost-infantile-20100524-w81e.html
Thanks WUWT for reporting the Oxford Union debate as I bet we won’t see that given as equal ‘time’ in the MSM as Professor Steffen’s.
Cheers Jack
In the Oxford Union debate:
Mike Mason – Managing Director – Climate Care
could only resort to abusin Lord Monckton personally:
“that Lord Monckton was more peculiar than most”
Who owns Climate Care:
JPMORGAN – follow the money – SELLING you your carbon offsets!!!
—————————————————————————
http://www.jpmorganclimatecare.com/about/our-organisation/
The ClimateCare team has been a part of J.P. Morgan’s Environmental Markets group since April 2008.
Mike Mason, Managing Director – Innovation
Mike founded Climate Care in 1997 pre-Kyoto and since then the company has become a market leader in the origination, development and retail of voluntary and compliance carbon offsets, pioneering methodologies and project standards in a number of areas and supplying everyone from consumers to some of the world’s largest brands. Mike also founded Biojoule, previously Climate Care’s sister company developing radically new biomass technologies
———————————–
Buy your carbon offset certificate from these guys!!!
http://www.jpmorganclimatecare.com/media/documents/pdf/Example%20Certificate.pdf
A useful tool… Carbon Calculator – on the JPMorgan Climate care website
Get you ClimateCare Certificate – I might just buy one to Frame.
http://www.jpmorganclimatecare.com/about/carbon-offsets-explained/
Next time Jeremey Irons (6 homes, 1 castle) preaches about being green, (or any other celeb, or reporter, activist, politcian, etc)
Put some figures in the Climate Care carbon calculator about their lifestyle compared to yours.
My 12 year old TVR Griffith 500 sports car.
in its TOTAL lifetimes mileage ’emissions’ so far.. (well over 350gco2/km)
Has produced less ’emissions’ than a single (one way) trip to Australia by plane..
As I haven’t been in a plane (or my family) for 9 years anywhere,
my carbon footprint (if you believe all that) is TINY compared to:
Al Gore’s house/private jet, etc
the BBC’s Harribans trip to the Heartland conference,
all the politicians/ green activists private jets to climate change conferences (sorry – jollies)
the environment teams globe trotting,
or ANY celeb or activist that preaches, evil sceptic to me…
And I recycle.. care about biodiversity, loss of rainforest, save the whate, etc.
As I haven’t visited my family in Australia, surely I can sell this right to emit that I haven’t emitted, to someone that needs to offset their emmissions. That should bring several thousands pounds my way 😉
That’s how these schemes (scams) work,
oh I can’t!
Why not?
Oh, I see,
only the likes of JPMorgan, Al Gore, President Obama (chicago scheme) and bilionaire corporations are allowed to profit from that idea. 😉
Barry Woods
netdr says:
May 24, 2010 at 5:13 pm
The fact that 1000 scientists think “A” is right and 10 scientists think “B” is right is a mentally challenge reason to believe “A” is right.
Lysenkoism is a perfect example of the bandwagon effect run amuck just as Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming [CAGW] has.
Lysenkoism was a scientific concept that acquired traits could be passed from parent to child. We now know this cannot be true but all scientific societies in Russia at one time endorsed this flawed concept.
********
And what was once the TRUTH, has often been shown to be in error.
I am old enough to have learned the scientific dogma from the experts.
Continents do not move (a couple years lather Plate Techtonics was the in story)
Massive floods do not happen (look at the scablands of Washington)
The Inert Gases do not form compounds (you can make them in a kitchen — I was a F2 chemist)
The Soviets were all wet with their genetic ideas. (their SF stories had to toe the line and were quite amusing)
But new data has turned up that paint Darwin and Mendel in a bad light. Mendels notebook appears to have been written not about actual experiments but about the theoretical results he would have achieved. He did work, but his publishings were not true data.
And it appears that all Darwin saw on his voyage was the results of epigenetics at work on the finch bills, not true mutations. And an epigenetic change can occur in one generation, breed true for a 100 generations and then change back in ONE when the environment changes.
The surest sign that a theory may be in error is that the old established experts support it.
Earl
In the Oxford Union debate:
Mike Mason – Managing Director – Climate Care
could only resort to abusing Lord Monckton personally:
he said “that Lord Monckton was more peculiar than most”
Who owns Climate Care:
JPMORGAN – follow the money – SELLING you your carbon offsets.
—————————————————————————
http://www.jpmorganclimatecare.com/about/our-organisation/
The ClimateCare team has been a part of J.P. Morgan’s Environmental Markets group since April 2008.
Mike Mason, Managing Director – Innovation
Mike founded Climate Care in 1997 pre-Kyoto and since then the company has become a market leader in the origination, development and retail of voluntary and compliance carbon offsets, pioneering methodologies and project standards in a number of areas and supplying everyone from consumers to some of the world’s largest brands. Mike also founded Biojoule, previously Climate Care’s sister company developing radically new biomass technologies
———————————–
Buy your carbon offset certificate from these guys!!!
http://www.jpmorganclimatecare.com/media/documents/pdf/Example%20Certificate.pdf
A useful tool… Carbon Calculator – on the JPMorgan Climate care website
Get you ClimateCare Certificate – I might just buy one to Frame.
http://www.jpmorganclimatecare.com/about/carbon-offsets-explained/
Next time Jeremey Irons (6 homes, 1 castle) preaches about being green, (or any other celeb, or reporter, activist, politcian, etc)
Put some figures in the Climate Care carbon calculator about their lifestyle compared to yours.
My 12 year old TVR Griffith 500 sports car.
in its TOTAL lifetimes mileage ’emissions’ so far.. (well over 350gco2/km)
Has produced less ’emissions’ than a single (one way) trip to Australia by plane..
As I haven’t been in a plane (or my family) for 9 years anywhere,
my carbon footprint (if you believe all that) is TINY compared to:
Al Gore’s house/private jet, etc
the BBC’s Harribans trip to the Heartland conference,
all the politicians/ green activists private jets to climate change conferences (sorry – jollies)
the BBC’s environment teams globe trotting,
or ANY celeb or activist that preaches, evil sceptic to me…
And I recycle.. care about biodiversity, loss of rainforest, save the whate, etc.
As I haven’t visited my family in Australia, surely I can sell this right to emit that I haven’t emitted, to someone that needs to offset their emmissions. That should bring several thousands pounds my way 😉
That’s how these schemes (scams) work,
oh I can’t!
Why not?
Oh, I see,
only the likes of JPMorgan, Al Gore, President Obama (chicago scheme) and bilionaire corporations are allowed to profit from that idea. 😉
Barry Woods
“He glared at the opposition again and demanded whether, since they had declared themselves to be so worried about “global warming”, they would care to tell him – to two places of decimals and one standard deviation – the UN’s central estimate of the “global warming” that might result from a doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration. The opposition were unable to reply. Lord Monckton told them the answer was 3.26 plus or minus 0.69 Kelvin or Celsius degrees. An Hon. Member interrupted: “And your reference is?” Lord Monckton replied: “IPCC, 2007, chapter 10, box 10.2.” [cheers].”
Epic Win. Absolutely epic.
Fact is that the CO2 levels are up and probably continue so. Unproofen or not known is that CO2 levels cause global warming. However, every one should be aware that the deforestation on this planet is reaching gigantic levels, compared to a few centuries back. A full grown tree binds 6 kg of CO2, reduces dust, filters air and produces about 5 kg of O2.
Just for that reason we need to reforest again! It will certainly also help to prevent erosion and preserves wild life!
A 100 year old spruce tree has bound 1.8 t of CO2, therefore plant more trees!
Start on your OWN property!