I’m waiting for actual photos of the event from the official photographer, but for now I’ll make do with what can be found on the Internet. For those who don’t know, the Oxford Union is the top of the food chain for scholarly debate. This is a significant win.

Founded in 1823 at the University of Oxford, but maintaining a separate charter from the University, The Oxford Union is host to some of the most skillful debates in the world. Many eminent scholars and personalities have come and either debated or delivered speeches in the chamber. Monckton was invited as part of the formal Thursday debate.
It is described as follows:
The Union is the world’s most prestigious debating society, with an unparalleled reputation for bringing international guests and speakers to Oxford. It has been established for 182 years, aiming to promote debate and discussion not just in Oxford University, but across the globe.
Here is a view inside from a previous debate:

From the SPPI Blog, an account of the debate:
Oxford Union Debate on Climate Catastrophe
Source: SPPI
Army of Light and Truth 135, Forces of Darkness 110
For what is believed to be the first time ever in England, an audience of university undergraduates has decisively rejected the notion that “global warming” is or could become a global crisis. The only previous defeat for climate extremism among an undergraduate audience was at St. Andrew’s University, Scotland, in the spring of 2009, when the climate extremists were defeated by three votes.
Last week, members of the historic Oxford Union Society, the world’s premier debating society, carried the motion “That this House would put economic growth before combating climate change” by 135 votes to 110. The debate was sponsored by the Science and Public Policy Institute, Washington DC.
Serious observers are interpreting this shock result as a sign that students are now impatiently rejecting the relentless extremist propaganda taught under the guise of compulsory environmental-studies classes in British schools, confirming opinion-poll findings that the voters are no longer frightened by “global warming” scare stories, if they ever were.
When the Union’s president, Laura Winwood, announced the result in the Victorian-Gothich Gladstone Room, three peers cheered with the undergraduates, and one peer drowned his sorrows in beer.
Lord Lawson of Blaby, Margaret Thatcher’s former finance minister, opened the case for the proposition by saying that the economic proposals put forward by the UN’s climate panel and its supporters did not add up. It would be better to wait and see whether the scientists had gotten it right. It was not sensible to make expensive spending commitments, particularly at a time of great economic hardship, when the effectiveness of the spending was gravely in doubt and when it might do more harm than good.
At one point, Lord Lawson was interrupted by a US student, who demanded to know what was his connection with the Science and Public Policy Institute, and what were the Institute’s sources of funding. Lord Lawson was cheered when he said he neither knew nor cared who funded the Institute.
Ms. Zara McGlone, Secretary of the Oxford Union, opposed the motion, saying that greenhouse gases had an effect [they do, but it is very small]; that the precautionary principle required immediate action, just in case and regardless of expense [but one must also bear in mind the cost of the precautions themselves, which can and often do easily exceed the cost of inaction]; that Bangladesh was sinking beneath the waves [a recent study by Prof. Niklas Moerner shows that sea level in Bangladesh has actually fallen]; that the majority of scientists believed “global warming” was a problem [she offered no evidence for this]; and that “irreversible natural destruction” would occur if we did nothing [but she did not offer any evidence].
Mr. James Delingpole, a blogger for the leading British conservative national newspaper The Daily Telegraph, seconded the proposition, saying that – politically speaking – the climate extremists had long since lost the argument. The general public simply did not buy the scare stories any more. The endless tales of Biblical disasters peddled by the alarmist faction were an unwelcome and now fortunately failed recrudescence of dull, gray Puritanism. Instead of hand-wringing and bed-wetting, we should celebrate the considerable achievements of the human race and start having fun.
Lord Whitty, a Labor peer from the trades union movement and, until recently, Labor’s Environment Minister in the Upper House, said that the world’s oil supplies were rapidly running out [in fact, record new finds have been made in the past five years]; that we needed to change our definition of economic growth to take into account the value lost when we damaged the environment [it is artificial accounting of this kind that has left Britain as bankrupt as Greece after 13 years of Labor government]; that green jobs created by governments would help to end unemployment [but Milton Friedman won his Nobel Prize for economics by demonstrating that every artificial job created at taxpayers’ expense destroys two real jobs in the wealth-producing private sector]; that humans were the cause of most of the past century’s warming [there is no evidence for that: the case is built on speculation by programmers of computer models]; that temperature today was at its highest in at least 40 million years [in fact, it was higher than today by at least 12.5 F° for most of the past 550 million years]; and that 95% of scientists believed our influence on the climate was catastrophic [no one has asked them].
Lord Monckton repeatedly interrupted Lord Whitty to ask him to give a reference in the scientific literature for his suggestion that 95% of scientists believed our influence on the climate was catastrophic. Lord Whitty was unable to provide the source for his figure, but said that everyone knew it was true. Under further pressure from Lord Monckton, Lord Whitty conceded that the figure should perhaps be 92%. Lord Monckton asked: “And your reference is?” Lord Whitty was unable to reply. Hon. Members began to join in, jeering “Your reference? Your reference?” Lord Whitty sat down looking baffled.
Lord Leach of Fairford, whom Margaret Thatcher appointed a Life Peer for his educational work, spoke third for the proposition. He said that we no longer knew whether or not there had been much “global warming” over the 20th century, because the Climategate emails had exposed the terrestrial temperature records as defective. In any event, he said, throwing good money after bad on various alternative-energy boondoggles was unlikely to prove profitable in the long term and would ultimately do harm.
Mr. Rajesh Makwana, executive director of “Share The World’s Resources”, speaking third for the opposition, said that climate change was manmade [but he did not produce any evidence for that assertion]; that CO2 emissions were growing at 3% a year [but it is concentrations, not emissions, that may in theory affect climate, and concentrations are rising at a harmless 0.5% a year]; that the UN’s climate panel had forecast a 7 F° “global warming” for the 21st century [it’s gotten off to a bad start, with a cooling of 0.2 F° so far]; and that the consequences of “global warming” would be dire [yet, in the audience, sat Mr. Klaus-Martin Schulte, whose landmark paper of 2008 had established that not one of 539 scientific papers on “global climate change” provided any evidence whatsoever that “global warming” would be catastrophic].
Lord Monckton, a former science advisor to Margaret Thatcher during her years as Prime Minister of the UK, concluded the case for the proposition. He drew immediate laughter and cheers when he described himself as “Christopher Walter, Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, scholar, philanthropist, wit, man about town, and former chairman of the Wines and Spirits Committee of this honourable Society”. At that point his cummerbund came undone. He held it up to the audience and said, “If I asked this House how long this cummerbund is, you might telephone around all the manufacturers and ask them how many cummerbunds they made, and how long each type of cummerbund was, and put the data into a computer model run by a zitty teenager eating too many doughnuts, and the computer would make an expensive guess. Or you could take a tape-measure and” – glaring at the opposition across the despatch-box – “measure it!” [cheers].
Lord Monckton said that real-world measurements, as opposed to models, showed that the warming effect of CO2 was a tiny fraction of the estimates peddled by the UN’s climate panel. He said that he would take his lead from Lord Lawson, however, in concentrating on the economics rather than the science. He glared at the opposition again and demanded whether, since they had declared themselves to be so worried about “global warming”, they would care to tell him – to two places of decimals and one standard deviation – the UN’s central estimate of the “global warming” that might result from a doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration. The opposition were unable to reply. Lord Monckton told them the answer was 3.26 plus or minus 0.69 Kelvin or Celsius degrees. An Hon. Member interrupted: “And your reference is?” Lord Monckton replied: “IPCC, 2007, chapter 10, box 10.2.” [cheers]. He concluded that shutting down the entire global economy for a whole year, with all the death, destruction, disaster, disease and distress that that would cause, would forestall just 4.7 ln(390/388) = 0.024 Kelvin or Celsius degrees of “global warming”, so that total economic shutdown for 41 years would prevent just 1 K of warming. Adaptation as and if necessary would be orders of magnitude cheaper and more cost-effective.
Mr. Mike Mason, founder and managing director of “Climate Care”, concluded for the opposition. He said that the proposition were peculiar people, and that Lord Monckton was more peculiar than most, in that he was not a real Lord. Lord Monckton, on a point of order, told Mr. Mason that the proposition had avoided personalities and that if Mr. Mason were unable to argue other than ad hominem he should “get out”. [cheers] Mr. Mason then said that we had to prepare for climate risks [yes, in both directions, towards cooler as well as warmer]; and that there was a “scientific consensus” [but he offered no evidence for the existence of any such consensus, still less for the notion that science is done by consensus].
The President thanked the speakers and expressed the Society’s gratitude to the Science and Public Policy Institute for sponsoring the debate. Hon. Members filed out of the Debating Chamber, built to resemble the interior of the House of Commons, and passed either side of the brass division-pole at the main door – Ayes to the right 135, Noes to the left 110. Motion carried.
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Not sure if this has already been posted, but let’s add another variable to the climate mix: Bacteria for Cloud Seeding (see http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/science/25snow.html?ref=science)
Don’t you wish more scientists would echo the last line of the article: “There’s more work to do,” Dr. Sands said. “It’s a great big complicated picture.” Priceless!
Meanwhile, NorCal is getting ready for MORE rain & snow (in the Sierras)…This is wreaking havoc with my backyard project (and delaying my already-late tomatoes).
Mike makes a common mistake.
It is the way the survey is conducted that determines the outcome.
A survey people choose to respond to cannot present reliable data.
This is a great article. Is there a video of the debate? I’d love to watch it.
My impression is that the warmists’ side was unprepared and not adept at debating, and therefore that their side would have won if they’d brought their A team (Alas.)
It’s odd that they didn’t, because the post-debate analysis of the St. Andrews confrontation came to the same conclusion: i.e., that the warmists were poor debaters and poorly prepared.
Not sure how important it is – yet hear Bonham’s drum intro to “When the Levee Breaks.”
Mike says:
May 24, 2010 at 4:53 pm
The survey is biased into giving a bland output not contradicting AGW.
I am a strong advocated that the Anthropogenic in Global Warming is wildly exaggerated in the IPCC reports and the media, and that there are no decisive data on the subject, both due to Climategate and bad science ( surface stations). Nevertheless I would be in the positive answers , because of the way the questions must have been asked. The world has been warming ever since the little ice age, green house gasses have an effect, humans in general affect the environment etc.
Where is the answer to the question: is CO2 the main culprit of the observed warming?
To the question of catastrophy there is the bland :
“The proportion of scientists who have a great deal of confidence in our understanding of the human-induced sources of global climate change rose from 22% in 1991 to 29% in 2007. Similarly, the proportion voicing confidence in our understanding of the archeological climate evidence rose from 20% to 32%. “
On the principle: the glass is 1/3 full and not 2/3 empty.
After twenty years of media blitz and the indoctrination peddled by general science magazines, like Sci American and National Geographic, and lite peer reviewed Science and Nature, ( most scientists are informed about other than their own field from such outlets) the percentage rose only 10%?
And that is interpreted as most scientists are convinced?
pat says: May 24, 2010 at 7:35 pm
“..even tho u could well argue that BBC’s Pension funds are more at risk because they are following Stern’s advice:..”
http://www.iigcc.org/index.aspx
“The Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change (IIGCC) is a forum for collaboration on climate change for European investors. The group’s objective is to catalyse greater investment in a low carbon economy by bringing investors together to use their collective influence with companies, policymakers and investors. The group currently has over 50 members, including some of the largest pension funds and asset managers in Europe, and represents assets of around €4trillion. A full list of members is available on the membership page”.
Remember the phrase “to use their collective influence with companies, policymakers and investors”
http://www.iigcc.org/membership.aspx
Members of the IIGCC include (I trimmed the list a bit):
BBC Pension Trust
Bedfordshire Pension Fund
BT Pension Scheme
Corporation of London Pension Fund
Environment Agency Pension Fund
Greater Manchester Pension Fund
Kent County Council
London Borough of Hounslow Pension Fund
London Borough of Islington Pension Fund
London Borough of Newham Pension Fund
London Pensions Fund Authority
South Yorkshire Pensions Authority
The Church Commissioners for England
The Church in Wales
Universities Superannuation Scheme
West Midlands Metropolitan Authorities Pension Fund
West Yorkshire Pension Fund
To be a bit more specific as to the BBC AGW Bias:
http://www.professionalpensions.com/professional-pensions/news/1440290/iigcc-calls-urgent-changes-encourage-institutional-investment
“Professional Pensions | 19 May 2009 | 01:00
Categories: Investment
Carbon markets need urgent changes in order to encourage institutional investment and the development of a low-carbon economy, the Institutional Investor Group on Climate Change says.
The group is calling for strong price signals and caps on carbon emissions that will encourage scarcity and demand.
IIGCC chairman and BBC head of pensions investment Peter Dunscombe said: “The credibility of emissions trading schemes would be greatly improved with a robust price signal as well as clear and frequent communication from the regulator on trading data and improved transparency over direct government participation in schemes.”
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Did you catch that: “IIGCC chairman and BBC head of pensions investment Peter Dunscombe…”
The BBC is the Chair of this Carbon Trading driven investment scheme!
Recall: “to use their collective influence with companies, policymakers and investors”
Dr Dave
“Still…I worry about the 110 who voted the other way.”
This bothers me too. 45% remain convinced after being so thoroughly trounced. It’s like trying to persuade “Beloved Leader” that North Korea’s political system is not the world’s best.
Still, it’s a start.
[snip – off topic politics]
To me the most significant aspect of this debate triumph is that it was voted by an audience composed of university undergrads. Given the demographics of undergrad populations this means that virtually all of them have spent their entire lives immersed in an ocean of CAGW propaganda. The schools they attended, the entertainment and entertainers they idolized, almost every element of life they have ever been exposed to, has been mobilized to convince them that to “save the planet” they must reject the demon carbon and embrace “greenness” as the ultimate good. Aspects of their education that would enhance their ability for critical thought have been minimized and the notion that it is not what an idea or statement makes you think, but how it makes you feel that is of ultimate importance in judging its merit has been the mantra of their lives.
If the CAGW crowd can’t convince that jury on the merits, it really is “much worse than they thought.” The young have always been the primary targets of the collectivist establishment, often to the point where, if you had attempted similar brainwashing on your own children, in your own home, on less politically correct topics, you’d have found yourself the subject of a child abuse investigation in many venues of the western world. If they are losing among the young and are coming to realize that fact, it might provide some explanation for the increasingly bizarre episodes of press release science we have been showered with in recent weeks.
Of course that doesn’t mean that they are likely to concede their position. It is obvious from recent events that the will of the people will not deter them from their plans as long as they maintain the political power to inflict them on us unhindered.
The one halfway admirable quality that adherents of the statist mindset have demonstrated is their willingness to be in it for the long haul. If, when faced with ultimate loss, the adherents of individual liberty and freedom aren’t willing to show even greater endurance we will deserve our fate and the curses our descendants and posterity heap upon our cowardice.
netdr said (May 24, 2010 at 5:13 pm): “The fact that 1000 scientists think “A” is right and 10 scientists think “B” is right is a mentally challenge reason to believe “A” is right. Lysenkoism is a perfect example of the bandwagon effect run amuck just as Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming [CAGW] has.”
Your history is flawed. Lysenko’s theory – which was about gain crops not people – was endorsed and enforced by the Stalinist state. People who opposed it were sent to Siberian labor camps or worse. They weren’t afraid of losing their grants! They were afraid of losing their lives. There was no bandwagon effect.
If you read this blog you’d know that many papers that minimize the likely effects of AGW are published and researchers do not lose their funding or jobs for this. Most of the research points toward AWG as real and serious. In the survey I cited “41% of scientists believe global climate change will pose a very great danger” while “44% rate climate change as moderately dangerous.” They are not all marching in lock step. Since 85% of our best minds think our present course is moderately to greatly dangerous it makes sense for us to consider ways to mitigate climate change as well to find ways to adapt to it. Climate change is not going to wipe out humanity, but it is likely AGW will inflict significant hardships. So, let’s look at ways to reduce GHG emissions – we cannot eliminate them. While the cost of doing this is real it is smaller than the likely costs of doing nothing.
George Smith: No one has projected that Earth will end up like Venus, not even Heisenberg.
Jim Cripwell says:
May 24, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Did we read the same article?
Anthropogenic, not Anthropomorphic. Big difference.
chris1958 says: ‘The Oxford Union has an interesting record. Possibly O/T but here goes: From Wikipedia:…[yatta-yatta]”
Say no more. I’m sure, based on your opening, that you are proposing yet another OT ad hominem argument, one that has zero relevance to the subject at hand. Nor do I particularly care about your Wankapedia quotation.
Finally the warmists decide to actually debate. Bravo! It’s about time.
I’m especially glad they decided to not hold back their true ad hominem colors in such a public way, so typical. Generalities, baseless arguments, blind authority, blame and insult. The young people, even children, can see right through it.
As stated in http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/science/earth/25climate.html?hp
As you can tell there is no longer logic in their statements, there is no overwhelming scientific agreement, and the world has awaken to it. They almost had the public lulled asleep, myself included a few years ago, but never again. Just be glad they talk so much, for without being able to hear their words and tone of their thoughts, many might have never suspected what is really going on.
FijiDave says:
May 24, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Dr Dave
“Still…I worry about the 110 who voted the other way.”
Do you fellows not understand that a year or two ago this number would have been double what it is today? This is a victory of the highest order. The undergrads are in the “belly of the beast” and yet the majority voted against the beast.
Mike,
Why is the likely cost of eliminating climate change lower than the cost of adapting to climate change? Humanity has been adapting to climate change for thousands of years at affordable cost. We’ve made it through larger swings in the past.
If anything, the hardest thing to survive will be the next ice age.
Dave Wendt says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:06 pm
You said it much better than I could. Cheers !!!
Matta said (May 24, 2010 at 8:09 pm): “Mike[:] Since when is science decided by a vote. Science is decided by evidence. So produce evidence that humans are causing the warming which is predicted by the models and the IPCC. Most sceptics do not deny warming they are simply unsure of its cause.”
Matt, evidence has to be evaluated. In a complex area evidence will not uniformly point toward the same conclusion. So, panels of scientists with our National Academy of Science have been formed to review the evidence and assess it. They have concluded that human GHG emission are beginning to cause changes to Earth’s climate and that if our GHG emissions continue it is very like to lead to severe climate change imposing serious hardships on humanity.
There are many places where you can read some of the evidence, but you are not likely by yourself to be able to assess all of it and determine if the bulk of the evidence supports AGW or not. There is just too much to sort through and assessing it requires expertise in many different fields. That’s way Congress has asked the NAS to do this review. Their reports can be found here:
http://www.nationalacademies.org/morenews/20100519.html
“May 19, 2010 — As part of its most comprehensive study of climate change to date, the National Research Council today issued three reports emphasizing why the U.S. should act now to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and develop a national strategy to adapt to the inevitable impacts of climate change. The reports are part of a congressionally requested suite of five studies known as America’s Climate Choices.”
Similar review panels have come to basically the same concludes in dozens of different countries. IPCC is simply an international review panel. If you want to know the IPCC’s evidence, read their report. It is not perfect, nothing is. But that is where you can find the evidence you seek. http://www.ipcc.ch/
MrPete said (May 24, 2010 at 9:27 pm): “Mike [wrote] “While the cost of doing this is real it is smaller than the likely costs of doing nothing.” Why is the likely cost of eliminating climate change lower than the cost of adapting to climate change? Humanity has been adapting to climate change for thousands of years at affordable cost. We’ve made it through larger swings in the past. If anything, the hardest thing to survive will be the next ice age.”
Economics is not an exact science. All I can say is this the conclusion most economic studies I have seen come to. Here is one study on the costs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Review. According to it, “the benefits of strong, early action on climate change considerably outweigh the costs. It proposes that one percent of global gross domestic product (GDP) per annum is required to be invested in order to avoid the worst effects of climate change, and that failure to do so could risk global GDP being up to twenty percent lower than it otherwise might be.”
However, if the cost of reducing GHG turns out to be very high, we can back off and try something else. We are not jumping off a cliff. I will add that this is an area I do not know a great deal about, but I am trying to learn more. As of now I support cap-and-trade, but I may change my mind as I learn more.
While humans experienced major climate changes in the past these occurred gradually. Furthermore, human civilization has not experienced the rate of change in climate conditions that we are very likely to experience. Do keep that in mind.
Good night!
robert smart – peak oil ? are you kidding ? the athabasca oil sands in northern alberta contain somewhere between 2.5 and 3 trillion barrels of oil ; the bakken oil shale formation straddling the border between canada and the usa contain another 800 billion barrels. all that is needed is the technology and political will to develop them. eo – irregardless is not a real word : it is regardless.
Given the framing of the debate, “This House would put economic growth before combating climate change,” and the expertise of the opposition, I’m surprised the vote was so close.
Framed a different way, “This house would take action to combat climate change,” and more knowledgeable debaters, I would expect a different outcome.
The Oxford Union web site (see below) doesn’t give much information. I couldn’t find the outcome of debates . Does anyone know a source for this information?
http://www.oxford-union.org/term_events/economic_growth_debate
George E. Smith says:
May 24, 2010 at 5:44 pm
We should all (‘mercans too) be thankful…
Good Sir, I must respectfully ask you address me and my fellow US citizens as “basket weaving capitalist monkey brain colonials with the attention span of a herd of cats in denial of reality”
Your attention to this matter in the future is most appreciated. K?
crosspatch says:
May 24, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Sincere congratulations to Mr. Monckton (his lordship apparently brought into question and I have no specific knowledge one way or the other).
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If you have the arrogance and lack of respect to manually change his name from “Lord” to “Mr”, based upon somebody else’s accusation, does your opinion then really matter on this subject?
It doesn’t.
And given his accomplishments, international pedigree, and razor-sharp wit and mind…I will take HIS word on who he is, and not yours.
I’ve got a better idea…if you have your doubts enough to insult him in print…why not show a little honor and ask him directly.
I’ve got his email and he is good about responding. Email me at sharkhearted@gmail.com
To Lord Monckton: I cheered in my own living room reading the account of the debate.
BRAVO!! Keep up the good work.
Chris
Norfolk (not East Anglia) VA, USA
chris1958 says:
Lord Monckton’s debating form will not determine whether we will get CAGW, lukewarming, or another ice age.
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Whoever the hell ever said…that it would??
Non sequitur.
Of course Mother Nature is the ultimate adjudicator. (duh).
Some people, though, are more concerned about the truth, rather than politics politico-science, and are not afraid at all…to debate.
Lord Monckton has proven himself to be one of those [and he does it with such bravura and eloquence!].
In this case, he won the debate.
And chances are…for the rest of his life….whatever Mother Nature is doing…I think its a firm bet that he will be trying to figure her out…and be on HER side of the “adjudication”.
Unlike some of the other politically and greedy economically driven counterparts, like Al Gore….who, incidentally, has run the other direction every time Lord Monckton offered to debate him in public!
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA