Seeing red: jobs initiative to limit California's AB32 greenhouse gas law will be on the November ballot

With a map like this, is it any wonder that AB32 doesn’t make any sense right now?

Map from the Sacramento Bee, click for interactive map

From the Grass Valley Union

A plan to block a law cutting state greenhouse gas emissions until the economy rebounds looks likely to make the Nov. 2 ballot.

Monday, members of the California Jobs Initiative Coalition turned in more than 800,000 signatures of registered voters to qualify — nearly twice the number needed.

The initiative was started by Assemblyman Dan Logue, R-Linda, who represents Nevada County in the Third Assembly District.

“We only needed 440,000” signatures Logue said. “People realize we need to protect and bring jobs to California. We’re going to give working families of California a break until we recover economically.”

If the California Jobs Initiative does qualify the ballot as expected, voters will be asked to consider putting the brakes on the nation’s most far-reaching global warming law. Oil companies have paid about $700,000 to fund the campaign.

The initiative would suspend stringent greenhouse gas emission standards set by legislators in AB32, a bill passed in 2006. The suspension would last until California unemployment levels dip to 5.5 percent and stay there for one full year.

The state jobless rate was at 12.6 percent in March; it hasn’t been at 5.5 percent since September 2007, according to U.S. Department of Labor statistics.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger immediately blasted “greedy oil companies” for trying to set back his sweeping environmental policy through funding Logue’s initiative.

A number of business groups warned that regulations enacting the law would cost jobs and prompt billions of dollars in higher energy prices. John Kabateck, executive director of the National Federation of Business California, said that’s a cost businesses cannot shoulder as they struggle in a weak economy.

“While the goals of AB32 are admirable, clearly the implementation of this at this time … would be a death knell for many small businesses,” Kabateck said at a news conference.

Schwarzenegger vowed to fight the initiative if it qualifies for the ballot.

More at the Grass Valley Union

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In other news: George Shultz to co-chair campaign opposing AB32

The Sac Bee has the story:

Former U.S. Secretary of State George P. Shultz has signed on as honorary co-chair of Californians for Clean Energy and Jobs, a coalition opposing a proposed ballot measure to suspend the implementation of AB32, California’s landmark law to lower greenhouse gas emissions.

Shultz, a prominent Republican, said in a statement that the proposed initiative would derail “California’s innovative effort to stimulate movement toward a cleaner and more secure energy future.”

Full story here. h/t to Russ Steele

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Yahoo News has a AP story about the most and least economically stressed counties in the United States. California has 12 of the 20 most economically stressed and none in the least stressed category.  Most of the Counties are in California’s Agricultural Bread Basket.  Where are all those green jobs?

Here are the 20 most economically stressed counties with populations of at least 25,000 and their March 2010 Stress scores, according to The Associated Press Economic Stress Index:

1. Imperial County, Calif., 31.27

2. Merced County, Calif., 28.29

3. Lyon County, Nev., 27.96

4. San Benito County, Calif., 27.2

5. Sutter County, Calif., 26.41

6. Yuba County, Calif., 25.8

7. Stanislaus County, Calif., 25.46

8. Iosco County, Mich., 24.89

9. San Joaquin County, Calif., 24.78

10. Nye County, Nevada., 24.19

11. Lapeer County, Mich., 24.03

12. Cheboygan County, Mich., 23.89

13. Luna County, N.M., 23.82

14. Lake County, Calif., 23.78

15. Kern County, Calif., 23.62

16. Tulare County, Calif., 23.17

17. Madera County, Calif., 23.04

18. Fresno County, Calif., 22.72

19. Clark County, Nevada, 22.65

20. Boone County, Ill., 22.59

Complete list is here. Again a h/t to Russ Steele

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That map shows change you can believe in.

John Galt

…AB32 doesn’t make any sense right now.
When would it make any sense?

Who knew that going green really meant going red?
Don’t know how true this is but it’s from the comments in the link and it doesn’t sound too far-fetched:
The California Central Valley accounts for quite a few of the top 20. It is severely stressed due to the cutoff of water Sacramento River “required” due to a lawsuit by the environmental lobby to help a fish — the Delta smelt — of no particular significance. In order to fluff the smelt’s habitat, valuable Sacramento River water flows out into the ocean instead of being used where it is severely needed — and has previously been used for decades — in the San Joaquin Valley.

Enneagram

I will tell you something you do not have heard up there yet. About two weeks ago I heard the world known economist Hernando De Soto, saying, that the real figures of unemployment in the USA were the double of the official ones. So, if that is true, just look around and enjoy living in a progressive paradise. (BTW, we have already lived that when subjected to tests promoted by the Carnegie and Ford foundations, back in the 1960’s an 70’s)

JinOH

“That map shows change you can believe in.”
Yes indeed.

PJB

This is what confounding GG with climate change and pollution get you….confusion, inefficiency and expense.
Clearly, if only mis-guided and altruistic, the proponents of such action will be (relatively) quick to change tack and approach the problem sensibly. Those with agendas or those with predisposition (if big oil can work against this then big-finance can work for it…) to continue will do what they can to steer us on this course for disaster.
Money makes our world go around but the world knows how to turn on it’s own. The world climate is separate from the biosphere as far as our presence in it is concerned. We need a healthy environment to prosper, both ecological as well as financial. Too many agendas and not enough knowledge (being proposed and accepted).
Keep plugging away, as persistence pays (financially too).

wws

Thanks for reminding me why I always hated George Shultz, a “prominent Republican” who was exactly the kind of Republican that got them thrown out of power in the last 2 elections. Give him and his type the right level of contribution and they’ll sign any piece of paper that gets shoved in front of him – who cares about those poor schlubs without jobs? Let’s just tell them to think happy thoughts and eat cake, that’ll work!
And thankfully Schwarzeneggers political career is within a few months of being over for good.

erik sloneker

Common sense is starting to prevail. People are sick and tired of the fear-mongering and just want to focus on basics (jobs, jobs, jobs). Any congressperson that doesn’t get that will be slaughtered come November. Even the most ardent alarmists I know identify the economy as job no. 1.

wws

and isn’t it hilarious how on that chart Green (Green is Good, right???) is ANYTHING less than 10%??? Hey wow, unemployment is only 10%, we are doin’ GREAT, guys!!!

Jack Simmons

California always sets the trends for the country.

jorgekafkazar

Obviously Schwartzenegger has lost touch with reality–too many make-believe movies, not enough science. The opposition to repeal of his Woo-woo-land law? They call themselves: “Californians for Clean Energy and Jobs,” a blatant misrepresentation. They should be called “Leftists for Skyrocketing Energy Prices and Plunging Employment.”

California voted for green jobs. Looks like they got red.

Ed Forbes

Glad to see it make the ballot
This will make at least one item I can fell good about voting for.
God knows I do not feel that way about any of the people likely to be on the top to the ticket for either of the main parties.

Slabadang

With Obama revealed as cap and trade corrupt!
Where are the protests? The hearings? The investigations?. Has the American people lost all dignity and fighting spirit? Im really surprised that the “guts and glory” seems to be history? The American working guy is the one whos gonna transfer his earnings into the pockets of the Al Gore/Green capitalist mob. Dont you understand whats happening! This is not the time to be polite now its time to kick…….!

I normally refrain from commenting on what happens in places that I don’t live. California society probably displays the greatest range of social and political hypocrisy and contrasts imaginable. Probably because it is a highly diverse and dynamic society. California is also the home of fantasy land and from Calgary, looking at news reports, it appears most of its citizens live in it. All winter long I get my strawberries from California and I like strawberries but I do have a price margin resistance point. As long as they can keep those illegals employed picking them, so us smug Canadians can afford to keep eating them, they should be polity ignored by the rest of us. Hum, Scrips in is California, isn’t it.

Slabadang
Had Bush made a speech about “safe offshore oil” three weeks before the Gulf spill, the press would have crucified him and hounded him out of office.
Obama gets a free pass with this screw up, just like all the rest of them.

Jason Bair

Very glad this got on the ballot with 800k signatures is just amazing. I’ll definately be spreading the word.
I’m waiting for the proponants of AB32 to start advertising against this bill. Wonder how they’ll try to paint the picture.

papertiger

Now a commercial message from Green Tech Action Fund, Environmental Defense Fund and the Natural Resources Defense Council Action Fund California Ballot Measures Committee. FPPC ID # 1324059
Stop the Texas oil companies’ dirty energy proposition.
There are little minions of the enviro lobby out on the strees of SF, LA, SD, and Sac, handing out bumperstickers preaching hate on Valero.
I want you to remember when it comes time to fill up,
Valero stands in the face of the storm.
Valero stood with you when Chevron, PG&E, and BP, were tap dancing down the path of least resistance with Michael Mann, Jim Hansen, Al Gore.

Zeke

This is exactly why it is important that the states have crafted their own envirionmental and health care policies, so that people can move out!

Douglas DC

Oregon is California’s Mini Me- everything they do we try to copy. Hmm this is encouraging…

Brian D

Environmental rules can really cause problems. Does anyone remember the uproar last year about farmers in CA being cutoff from there water supply because of a minnow? I don’t know if that was ever resolved, but talk about a major hit to the livelihoods of people who feed us. I mean a MINNOW! Come on!
I’m sure there are many horror stories out there like this one with more to come.

James Sexton

Love cali thought, we’ll wait for the economy to recover before we kill it permanently. But I thought we created lots of jobs by “going green”? Higher energy prices? Isn’t the wind free? WUWT???? You mean it doesn’t really work like that? WUWT???

Henry chance

Spain leads with 20% unemployment. California is lagging. Of course the green jobs are the big joke. They don’t want just any old jobs. Green jobs or no jobs.
There are many things aovernment can do to choke employment. There ae fery few things than can do to create growth in the private sector. Most they can do is stop interfering and taxing or punishing employment growth.

Steve in Charlotte

Hmmm.
So the powers that be admit that this is a job-killer. I’m really hoping Californians, and our respective Federal and other State governments can put two-and-two together.

pat

They have done this too themselves. And like a binge drinker, there are no signs that they will do anything but drink again. The State is firmly in the hands of unions and delusional leftists. Every strange leftist belief is thought to be essential. People and jobs mean nothing to the elite that run this State.

Tim Clark

From the Grass Valley Union
Is that the paper for Medicino County, Ca ;~O

Enneagram

Common sense teaches us that a person lives with its income, right?, and its income comes from his/her work, what he/she produces. Well where are goods produced now, in China, India, S.America?, no one can expect to survive without producing anything, be it a person or a country. Out of what are you suppose to live the following years?, from imaginary carbon shares?, out from your prophet, Al Baby?
It does not matter how strong be a person or a country, if not working that person or such a country will not survive. Have you succesfully included the famous mexican “siesta” (resting under a “sombrero”) in your current culture and daily living?
Don’t think so, you have always been hard working people…just think about it. Of course hard working people not having a job is really stressing.
One of the solutions if one does not have a job is, following the logics’ “law of the absurd” to provide jobs to others, or make one self’s own job.
Anyway, there is also the problem of the impossibility of “sailing against the wind” if there are such a lot morons spoiling all the healthy efforts of people, in such a case, as is seems the case that you are, then you must use your, thank god for it, inexaustible ingenuity.

Gary

Hasta la vista, baby.

Pascvaks

If you live in California, don’t take this the wrong way; just trying to help put you out of your misery.
SUGGESTION: Everyone in California set your clocks to the correct time prior to 6AM tomorrow morning. Everyone in California who supports AB32 jump up in the air as high as you can beginning at 6AM and every even minute thereafter. Everyone in California who does not support AB32 jump up in the air as high as you can beginning at 6:01AM and every odd minute thereafter. Continue jumping until something happens. It shouldn’t take long.
PS: Everyone else in the country can help California by jumping up as high as they can beginning at 6AM and every even minute thereafter. Everyone else in the world, except those in Indonesia and Japan, can help California by jumping up in the air beginning at 6:01AM and every odd minute thereafter. Everyone in Indonesia and Japan should go to Australia and wait until something big happens to California and the tsunamis have died down.

Tim Clark

<i?Enneagram says:May 4, 2010 at 8:50 am
I will tell you something you do not have heard up there yet. About two weeks ago I heard the world known economist Hernando De Soto, saying, that the real figures of unemployment in the USA were the double of the official ones. So, if that is true, just look around and enjoy living in a progressive paradise. (BTW, we have already lived that when subjected to tests promoted by the Carnegie and Ford foundations, back in the 1960′s an 70′s)
The official numbers are those who are receiving unemployment insurance. It does not include those whose benefits have expired, are illegally in this country, or who have quit looking for work. Latest estimates indicate the actual unemployment closer to 20 %. Of course, this does not include the unemployable, or those who have no desire to work, have never looked for work, and would not work if they had a job (politicians). That number is vaguely estimated at between 23% to 29%. Which is roughly equivalent to my federal income tax. What a coincidence.

wws

CEO Survey out today: (and this is a bit more meaningful than most surveys since CEO’s are the ones who determine where new plants will be built and where new jobs will go)
http://jan.freedomblogging.com/2010/05/04/ceos-rank-calif-worst-for-business/36609/
California is rated as having the ABSOLUTE WORST business climate in the country!
In descending order, the *worst* states to do business in in this country are California, New York, Michigan, New Jersey, and Massachusetts. Hmm, is there some common denominator linking those states.
Guess who’s rated #1 State in the Nation for business- and because of this is the state which is *guaranteed* to have the best economy in the nation for the forseeable future, with the most job growth?
Oh you don’t have to guess, you know. That’s why 1,000 citizens from other states (not illegals, but *Citizens*) are moving here *Every* *Day*. No kidding.

rbateman

Polar Ice Cap says:
May 4, 2010 at 8:47 am
You forgot the debasined Trinity River water that used to flow to the sea at Eureka being drained off to the Sacramento Valley.
The 50 year agreement from Trinity County to the Bureau of Reclamation is about to expire. The county-of-origin compensation was never received in that 50 years, and the demise of the timber & fishing industry (est. 1 billion/yr) compounds the problems the Central Valley Project now faces. All of which were done in a succession of back-room progressive policy deals.
The lesson here is to look at the counties whose lands and economy are at the mercy of big government. This is the fate that awaits California if the draconian greenhouse emissions law is not stopped. Things will continue to deteriorate, as they have for the counties that have been made dependent on the government for their enterprise. Such enterprise is not free, and it is not healthy.

Frank

stevengoddard says:
“Had Bush made a speech about “safe offshore oil” three weeks before the Gulf spill, the press would have crucified him and hounded him out of office.”
Good point. Another point that galls me is the fallacious requirement that drilling activity can only be allowed when and where it’s free of risk. Clearly, it’s far riskier (and more expensive) to drill in deep water, but that’s where you have to go when the Malthusians (and their political allies) put abundant and less risky resources off limits.

George E. Smith

Well the AB-32 hold news is a good thing; but the other thing that happened yesterday was that the Governator; the man who can solve anything; decided; No way in hell is anyone ever going to drill for oil off California again; not while I’m Governor or President or whatever.
So Californians will be in double jeopardy; in the coming years with lost oil revenues, and jobs; and then if the anti-AB-32 initiative fails; you can kiss job growth goodbye; and watch California become a third world country.

Gary Hladik

In the insane asylum called California, the initiative process is our one dim beacon of hope. I’m not looking forward to the saturation ad campaign against this initiative, but I can’t wait to vote for it.

George E. Smith

“”” papertiger says:
May 4, 2010 at 9:47 am
Now a commercial message from Green Tech Action Fund, Environmental Defense Fund and the Natural Resources Defense Council Action Fund California Ballot Measures Committee. FPPC ID # 1324059
Stop the Texas oil companies’ dirty energy proposition.
There are little minions of the enviro lobby out on the strees of SF, LA, SD, and Sac, handing out bumperstickers preaching hate on Valero.
I want you to remember when it comes time to fill up,
Valero stands in the face of the storm. “””
Thanks PaperTiger; I went to that website; and they sure weren’t in any hurry to advertise the name of those “two Texas dirty oil companies”.
We have Valero Gas stations here and there, so I think I will start to patonise them now.

Enneagram

George E. Smith says
May 4, 2010 at 10:57 am
Hey!, What a good idea!, then your folks could be paid $20 a month and you’ll be competitive with chinese products.

Hank Hancock

I guess our government doesn’t feel the need to qualify where all these green jobs are being created just as long as they can brag they’re being created. China and India are pleased, of course, to be the benefactors.

Enneagram

Be thankful: The best braking “pads”to avoid a possible running inflation is unemployees. Did you know it?. Well, at the end of the day, it is a big satisfaction be a part of an econometric equation.

Hank Hancock

George E. Smith (10:57 am):
…and watch California become a third world country.

I was wondering how we were going to fit 51 stars on our flag if Puerto Rico becomes a state. Problem solved.

rbateman

Brian D says:
May 4, 2010 at 9:54 am
Actually, the minnow was the excuse, not the real reason, to play with the State’s water management and storage.
Which water was cut off: The water that used to go to the senior rights users, or the water that was taken from the senior users by the Governor and handed to the extreme So. Sacramento Valley junior users?
Did they mention that bureaucrats decided arbitrarily to flush out the Sacramento and Trinity watersheds, then panicked after they realized they had released too much water, too early in the season, and to the detriment of the fish runs?
Letting these people handle California’s water storage and delivery is like handing the keys to your car to a drunk.
The last time they played with water storage they panic dumped Folsom, blowing one of the flood gates off it’s track.

George E. Smith

“”” Brian D says:
May 4, 2010 at 9:54 am
Environmental rules can really cause problems. Does anyone remember the uproar last year about farmers in CA being cutoff from there water supply because of a minnow? I don’t know if that was ever resolved, but talk about a major hit to the livelihoods of people who feed us. I mean a MINNOW! Come on!
I’m sure there are many horror stories out there like this one with more to come. “””
Well actually Brian it isn’t a minnow; it’s technically a Salmonid; and it actually is the entire salmon fishing industry of California that is being threatened; not by farmers using water; but by wealthy southern Califonia commercial water interests who have long contracted rights to water; which they steal from Northern California, for peanuts and then resell to Southern Califonia Desert golf course to make green grass grow around golf ball holes.
These So Cal water interests, are in the process of trying to have certain common species of game fishes; that have been resident in California for over 100 years or more; declared to be predatory alien species that need to be eradicated in the State.
Actually, if these water interests can destroy the Salmon runs completely by siphoning enough water off Norcal river systems; then they can raid ALL the water resources of northern California.
As for the farmers they have water to irrigate any areas they want to irrigate; but given the lousy economy, and all the imported foods from Latin America; they have a lot of fallow lands now; so they are selectively leaving areas dry ; particularly along Hiway 5 where it is obvious to Motorists. Don’t worry; they are watering in areas where they want to grow crops; and not very far back from that same hiway; along which they advertise their woes; which they blame on the Government. No it is Northern California People who don’t want to fund over building of unneeded houses out in the deserts of Southern California where nobody wants to live anyway. East of Hiway 99 where the long term family farmers mostly are; they still farm as usual; it is only the big Out of State owners of the conglomerates, between 5 and 99 who complain they can’t get water cheap enough to grow cotton; which we don’t need anyway.
If your local grocery store is trying to sell you California Cotton for food, Brian; I wouldn’t buy it.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

stevengoddard said on May 4, 2010 at 9:22 am:
California voted for green jobs. Looks like they got red.
The country is getting more “red” jobs, more people are getting employed by The State. The federal government is hiring twice as many as the private sector. However, the private sector numbers have been shown to be somewhat bogus, as highlighted by the manipulations to make that “jobs saved or created” claim look true, when it’s not. Thus it seems likely the federal government is hiring at a higher rate than twice as much.
Meanwhile on the state and local levels they are shedding government employees, too many budget shortfalls. Whatever “necessary functions” those employees were providing will likely get handled on a higher level, namely the federal government as they “have the money.” Thus power continues to flow downhill to the center, in an effect amazingly like fresh water flowing into a toilet…

Layne Blanchard

Apparently, the Governator and Rep Shultz need their public service terminated.
Arnold’s been sitting down to dinner with too many of Maria’s family.

Layne Blanchard

That the greens/left have selected hydrocarbon fuels for their hatred is (particularly today) irrational. Oil is a natural part of earth. It doesn’t become tainted just because Man had something to do with its release. And the fixation on oil company profits is equally irrational, given that cheap energy is pro-prosperity/pro-humanity. I can only surmise that underlying this hatred is a self loathing and self destructive psychosis. Save the planet – destroy mankind.

Richard deSousa

I think Ahhnold took too many hits to the head when he played the Terminator roles. No where in the world can I find any economic good news when the greenies tout money saved by green jobs. Probably Spain is the worse case for being the poster boy for green economy. Their unemployment rate has exceeded 20% and they will be the next in line to beg for bail outs from the Euro community.

Enneagram

Hank Hancock says:
May 4, 2010 at 11:15 am
I guess our government doesn’t feel the need to qualify where all these green jobs

Did someone tell you where these jobs are going to be created? For sure, far, far away from where you live.☺

I hoped California will make an example how to destroy the economy via green lunacy and other can take a note and adjust their policies accordingly. Just like collapsing Greek model of “social state”, showing all Europeans where the welfare state actually leads.
Somebody has to try it, once, really.

Layne Blanchard

George E. Smith says:
May 4, 2010 at 11:26 am
Good Gawd! Now it’s “evil” “Wealthy” farmers who are the villains? It is California’s responsibility to find resources to facilitate all growth, and maintain all industries. “Evil’ profits of wealthy farmers? “Evil” golf courses? What makes the fishery profits or the needs of Northern CA angelic? Needs are needs. Find a way to supply them all.