From “Scientific” American via Reuters, proof positive that global warming is omnipotent and is intertwined into anything you choose it to be. Why, even the inner Earth bends to its will. And we all know that once the inner Earth gets out, we’re doomed, because Al Gore tells us it is millions of degrees.
Ice cap thaw may awaken Icelandic volcanoes (link fixed)
By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent
OSLO (Reuters) – A thaw of Iceland’s ice caps in coming decades caused by climate change may trigger more volcanic eruptions by removing a vast weight and freeing magma from deep below ground, scientists said on Friday.
They said there was no sign that the current eruption from below the Eyjafjallajokull glacier that has paralysed flights over northern Europe was linked to global warming. The glacier is too small and light to affect local geology.
“Our work suggests that eventually there will be either somewhat larger eruptions or more frequent eruptions in Iceland in coming decades,” said Freysteinn Sigmundsson, a vulcanologist at the University of Iceland.
“Global warming melts ice and this can influence magmatic systems,” he told Reuters. The end of the Ice Age 10,000 years ago coincided with a surge in volcanic activity in Iceland, apparently because huge ice caps thinned and the land rose.
“We believe the reduction of ice has not been important in triggering this latest eruption,” he said of Eyjafjallajokull. “The eruption is happening under a relatively small ice cap.”
Carolina Pagli, a geophysicist at the University of Leeds in England, said there were risks that climate change could also trigger volcanic eruptions or earthquakes in places such as Mount Erebus in Antarctica, the Aleutian islands of Alaska or Patagonia in South America.
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He said that melting ice seemed the main way in which climate change, blamed mainly on use of fossil fuels, could have knock-on effects on geology. The U.N. climate panel says that global warming will cause more floods, droughts and rising seas.
h/t to WUWT reader Sean Peake
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Paul Daniel Ash (11:15:02),
Scientific American is not a credible reference, as shown by the article Anthony posted.
And google returns 320,000 hits for “holocene optimim”, vs 12,800 for your “holocene interglacial.”
George Orwell would see what you’re doing there. It’s the same sinister ploy used by people who refer to the MWP as the “medieval anomaly.”
“Boudu (08:21:30) :
I see Kevin Trenberth has lost some heat.
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/is-there-missing-heat-in-the-climate-system-my-comments-on-this-ncar-press-release/
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Thanks for the link! Tremendously important post by Pielke!
She appears to be out of her mind. To give her benefit of my doubt, has she conducted an experiment to test this? These creepy claims are so outrageous, a rational mind has no choice but to be skeptical.
Jerry Ravetz for some crazy reason said it was our duty to go with hypothesis #2 or our duty to disprove it.
Do you realize that Global Warming has been causing the New York Yankees to win the World Series? The correlation between increases in temperature and increases in their wins is almost 1.00 for those with a scientific frame of mind. As proof, just check their record for the last thousand years and it has been relatively flat. But starting in the 1920’s, about the time the internal combustion engine became popular, the percentage of times they’ve won the WS has sky-rocketed. If plotted it even looks like a hockey stick. Why in only a few years unless something drastic is done, they will be winning it more than twice a year! As a Mets fan I find this intolerable. Where is the IPCC when we need it? Or more importantly, where can I file for a grant to look into this phenomena more closely.
Oooh… this looks like a fun game! Can I play too? Ok….earthquakes are caused by plates shifting which are caused by the earth shrinking which is caused by the earth cooling, but CO2 slows down the cooling so hence less earthquakes which means AGW is good, right?
Melting glaciers have nothig to do with increased volcanic activity. If weight was removed from above volcanoes, then certainly, weight additions from lava deposits would have the reverse effect and seal off the volcanoes, wouldn’t they? Since the latter does not happen, how do these geniuses conclude that melting glaciers increase volcanic activity?
When Mt. St. Helens blew, it tossed a fifth of a cubic mile of Earth out of its way like balsa wood in a cyclone. Do you really think a few dozen or even hundreds of feet of ice are going to hold back a volcanic eruption?
Where do these guys get this stuff? What are they smoking?
I would like an explanation from these Rooters how 2000 degree lava gives a rat’s fart(methane) about 32 degree ice covering it. As a side dish, the lava forces and melts it’s way through miles of earth to get to the surface, regardless what it weighs.
The stupidity of the lame stream media is on full display in one article. Why didn’t they ask someone who knows AGW is a hoax.
Tim Clark,
First, a minor apology, I mixed memories of some previous studies (which involved changes in ice mass on land and water mass in the ocean, thus affecting tectonic plates) with this one (which appears to have more to do with actual ice caps on volcanoes, although I hesitate to believe anything these days until I’ve seen the original scientific paper, because the journalists are rather pathetic at getting these things even close to right).
But, to your point… you are reading too much into the word “coincide.” The exact quote from the article, included in the WUWT post above, says (emphasis mine):
Note the use of the phrase “because huge ice caps thinned,” as in the ice age ended, so the ice caps thinned, so there was a surge in volcanic activity.
“They said there was no sign that the current eruption from below the Eyjafjallajokull – was linked to global warming.”
Well of course not.
These people are the weakest link.
When this volcano is done spewing, what’s left? I guess like Al Gore, just an ash hole?
enneagram (10:52:00) :
Interesting you should mention that. Utah just got a shallow earthquake; http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/dyfi/
No question, the Caribbean, Cocos, Rivera, and Pacific plates are doing a “Jiggie”.
“227 years ago a far more devastating eruption occurred wiping out a fifth of the island’s population – as well as tens of thousands across Europe.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8624791.stm
It’s all happened before
Smokey (11:32:03) :
Scientific American is not a credible reference
Tim asked for a reference on what the authors of the study said. I gave him the reference that Anthony provided right up at the top of the page, which was a Scientific American reprint of a Reuters wire story. Reading is fundamental, Smokey. You should try it sometime.
google returns 320,000 hits for “holocene optimim”, vs 12,800 for your “holocene interglacial.”
“My” Holocene interglacial? Wait… are you actually questioning that we’re in an interglacial period now? This should be interesting… what’s your evidence of that, Smokey?
Magma and pressure can blow the top of a mountain (seriously close to where I was working at the time) clean off. That takes a lot of muscle. That last bit of snow and ice on the top, even if it had been much thicker, was a cotton ball compared to the amount of boulders, rocks, dirt, and debris that got blown off.
Have we lowered the Ph.D. bar that much?
Volcanoes cool the earth, so it seems that if there were more volcanoes, then we would have more ice. and the problem would be solved.
At last… a new example of hyper ventilation !
Scientific American is once again a leader in the soft core of
climate science:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ice-cap-thaw-iceland-volcanoes
So, Hernando’s (IIRC) joke on another thread came out true word by word. I’m aaah flabbergasted .
Just for keeps, here’s a link supporting to No Scientist from another thread: here.
This is too creative [banging head on table].
Henry chance (11:42:51) :
She appears to be out of her mind. To give her benefit of my doubt, has she conducted an experiment to test this?
Off-the-wall suggestion here: how about you do some reading?
http://homepages.see.leeds.ac.uk/~earcpa/2008GL033510.pdf
The Most Casual Observer (11:43:44)
Not my point. I was speculating with a testable hypothesis.
Earth has many buffer systems, deep ocean heat sinks being a major player, and my hypothesis is just another of many moderating effects on the globe. CO2 is a very weak GHG compared to water, but one of many other very interesting modulators of drastic change. That is why AGW can never work, because the earth has many mechanisms to prevent warming. Cooling, on the other hand, appears to be the real monster in the closet, because its onset is sharp and accelerating, as witnessed by the fact that the last 100 million years or so have had a preponderance of glaciation. For you, observer, I can simplify it down to warm -good, cold-bad, but earth has other tricks to use to keep us in a decent range, at least in the last 10,000 years or so. CO2 cannot be a major player, IMHO.
Wow I have to just say… Wow… that is horrible horrible reporting.
Rob (07:53:39) :
Is there anything Global Warming can’t do?
It can’t beat Chuck Norris!
Pascvaks (08:17:46) :
“There’s no crying in Science!*
There’s NO CRYING IN SCIENCE!*
“What is happening to the world’s scientific population? It can’t be genetically modified food additives, hormone injections, or smog, it’s much too specific to PhD’s. Where do these people come from?”
[…]
“* Unless you’re a Chemist. Then it’s OK, sometimes.”
Oh, I see. I was a biochemist myself, you have my simpathy. As anyone knows, all biochemists are a bit far out, if that’s the term, but I wouldn’t possibly think of something like these guys said. It seems that geologists are getting weirder than theoretical physicists.
There’s a big ball (kind’a) of nickle/iron in the middle of the world, right? And there’s this constant change in the wobble and tilt of the world, right? And sometimes it’s warm for about 14K years and sometimes it’s cold for about 86K years, right? So… it must be that the wobble/shift of the big, old nickle/iron ball has started to push some hot lava out of the vents and we’re getting all this “stuff” in the air and things are going to start changing, like they always do, right? Now I know this is very technical and over the heads of most folks who believe in AGW but, as you like to believe in idiots like fat Albert, believe in me for a minute. OK? And if you want to donate to my favorite charity….(snip)
Unbelievable how backwards some AGW believers are becoming. They simply can not see straight by ounce again putting the cart in front of the horse…
Seems to me that Earth’s direct contribution to climate is presently underestimated as our planets geothermal dynamics are vaguely known. If the case, variability in surface crust temperature will play a role in the release of GHG’s especially from the Ocean’s depth and permafrost regions. There is an enormous amount of unmonitored underwater volcanic activity aside from the continental fire belts we know off.
Climate does not produce volcanoes it’s more likely the other way around…
A flagrant abuse of the science switching cause and effect to make a case!
Which seems to be the standard method to make the AGW claim.
Quite boring isn’t it?