The intolerability of tolerance
From The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley in Bonn via the SPPI blog
The UN’s international climate conference here in Bonn has decided that the wealthier nations among the 192 States Parties to the UN Convention on Climate Change should make plenty of taxpayers’ money available to hold two additional weeks of pre-negotiation negotiations between now and December, when the legally-binding World Government Climate Treaty is to be signed in Cancun, Mexico.
Dr. Yvo de Boer, who will shortly retire as secretary to the Conference of the States Parties to the Convention, told observers here in Bonn yesterday that the extra time was essential so that details which could otherwise wreck the negotiations could be sorted out before Cancun.
There will also be a meeting of Heads of Governments at the Peterberg Hotel, near Bonn, in June. The purpose of that meeting is to allow the UN to identify potentially recalcitrant heads of government and mount a charm offensive in their direction between June and December.
Dr. de Boer said he was not sure that a legally-binding Treaty would be agreed upon at Cancun: he thought a further year might be necessary. He said he hoped the negotiators would take the approach that had worked during the discussions that led to the Kyoto Protocol: they should keep the Treaty short and to the point, establishing general principles and allowing the details to be worked out once the Treaty was in force.
The world-government faction at the UN faces a dilemma. If the bureaucrats push the process too fast, as they did in the run-up to the Copenhagen meeting last December, the train will come off the tracks. However, if they slow things down to allow the caboose to catch up with the locomotive, the passengers may start to notice that the climate is not in fact changing anything like as rapidly as the UN’s climate reports have been predicting.
There is a possibility that the UN may try to surprise everyone by persuading the Heads of Government to reach full agreement on a binding Treaty as early as the Peterberg meeting in June. The priceless advantage of this, from the world-government wannabes’ point of view, is that the Treaty could then be put before the US Senate while President Obama still has a strong majority there.
Everyone here is keenly aware that the Obama experiment has not been seen as successful in the eyes of voters in the US, and that an increase in the Republican presence in both Houses of Congress will, in practice, make acceptance of any climate Treaty – especially one that reactivates the now-ditched world-government proposals of last year’s draft – unlikely.
The US Senate has the power to ratify Treaties, and no Treaty can pass unless it receives 67 of the 100 available votes. This two-thirds majority will be difficult to achieve as things now stand: most serious observers reckon it will be impossible after the US mid-term elections this December, at the same moment as the Cancun climate conference.
For the world-government group among the UN’s bureaucrats and fellow-travelers, therefore, Cancun is too late. And, if Mr. de Boer is right that an agreement will not even be reached there, another year’s delay will make it still more obvious to voters in those countries lucky enough to have universal suffrage that the climate is not behaving as ordered.
In short, the climate train is about to tip into the gulch, and almost everyone here knows it. There are still some true-believers who have drunk too deeply of the Kool-Aid. One of these came up to the CFACT stand at the conference and conversed with me quite pleasantly until I mentioned that the science behind the IPCC’s documents is collapsing. He instantly changed his demeanor. His smile vanished, and he stumped off in a huff.
There is an interesting difference between the First and Third Worlds in the behavior of the delegates. The delegates from Western countries tend to be far less willing to question the science and economics underpinning the UN’s case for its own glorification, expansion and enrichment, and they tend to be considerably less polite than their counterparts in the Third World.
The African delegates, in particular, exhibit a charming, old-world courtliness that used to be universal in the West and is now loutishly absent. One of them, the Permanent Secretary of the Environment Department in his country, was fascinated to hear that a tiny fraction of the money wasted on the non-problem of “global warming”, if spent on addressing real problems, could help to rid Africa of starvation and disease. He had not previously thought about the opportunity cost of not spending the money thrown away on the climate in a manner that would be more likely to do real good.
CFACT’s policy of diverting some – or preferably all – of the cash now spent on the climate towards spending on real societal and environmental problems, such as deforestation or overfishing, won a number of supporters. Very few of those we have spoken to were wholly against it, and most of those gave indications that they were on the extreme Left politically. For the Left, belief in the wickedness of CO2 and of the filthy capitalists who emit it is at the very center of their credo, and anyone who disagrees with them is treated with contempt.
There have been some comic moments, though. At Dr. de Boer’s meeting with observers at the Bonn conference, two messily-dressed ladies of uncertain age, with untidy hairdos and a hectoring, bossy manner, asked why it was that “those climate skeptics” had been given the best display booth in the conference center, right next door to the entrance to the conference hall.
Mr. de Boer, far more urbane at this conference than he had been at Bali, Poznan, or Copenhagen, purred that any recognized non-government organization, whatever its views, was welcome to attend UN conferences, and neither he nor his staff had given any thought at all to the question which NGO should occupy which display stand. The two ladies quivered with displeasure at this answer. To them, tolerance was intolerable.
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It appears the Viscount is wearing an American flag lapel pin, and his tie has stars and stripes on it. I appreciate that he evidently feels some respect for America, despite how idiotically the leaders are behaving at the moment. Perhaps Americans can rise to the point of actually deserving such respect.
“Pamela Gray (19:02:48) : ”
Reminds me of Larry Flint who stated that “Everyone has the right to be left alone!”. I agree with that.
Fear not people of the world. No matter what the UN comes up with in Cancun, it will not pass in the US. Senate. Obama is not the emperor of the Americans. The Democrats only have 59 votes at most, they need 67 to pass a treaty that binds the Americans. The last time I checked the UN was not able to in force anything without the American military.
Hu McCulloch (19:44:03),
My computer handled it OK.
Meanwhile, every time 0bama sees a king…
click
Canadian Politicians would sign this no problem unread if ANY American president asked. Too terrified that a tarif may come for not following gently persuaded orders. We had tarif problems that disappeared over night by sending troops to Afganistan.
Our politicians are alittle more on the dense side as it took a few years to realize not to insult China on their human rights violations as the trade could be costly.
Sorry , I know …fine line to a snip
[Reply: no snip.]
Wow – I must have skipped over the part about 2/3 majority to pass. Duh… without reconciliation the Healthcare Bill would not have passed. No way on h-e-double-hockeysticks this treaty will.
What we should be concerned about is the Pres signing it, the Senate failing to ratify, and the Executive Branch behaving as-if it were binding because of the signature. I believe that happened with a Reagan signature and the Law of the Sea Treaty.
Presidents may not take sovereignty seriously, but the Senate – in all its gridlock – typically does. It’s by design – the Constitution sets the bar high for this, and for good reason!
The only way to force some sense into the political side of the debate is to clearly demonstrate the unsoundness of the ideological underpinning of this AGW and catastrophic prediction business. That is happening and will continue to happen. That said, the other important message must be the ends no matter how global or Utopian in scope can not ever justify the means. The means must make economic, political and social sense. If we allow ourselves to become polarized by the propaganda and sophistry of ideologists on either side of the debate no one wins and everyone looses.
Conspiracy theorist or what!
This man is loosing control of his supposed intelligence. Why would the IPCC want to form a world government?
If the science of monkton fails then try the “theyre taking your freedom” tack.
Crazee!!
It looks like avoiding another Copenhagen catastrophe is job #1 for our betters in the political class – lots of backroom out-of-the-spotlight sneaking dealings.
I hope Americans reject every facet of this upcoming agreement and our congress roundly defeats ratifying any kind of treaty to deal with the absolute non-problem of man-made CO2 Global Warming.
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14856887
Meanwhile, the information office at the British House of Lords responded to Bickmore’s inquiry about a question that had been dogging him: Why does Monckton, the 3rd Viscount of Brenchley, describe himself as a member of the House of Lords? He’d made the claim to members of the U.S. Congress and also in an April 1 e-mail to Bickmore, where Monckton asserted: “I am a member of the House of Lords, though without the right to sit or vote, and I have never suggested otherwise.”
The official response on Thursday said: “Christopher Monckton is not and has never been a Member of the House of Lords. There is no such thing as a ‘non-voting’ or ‘honorary’ member.”
The false claims undermine Monckton’s credibility in a way that is easy for anyone to understand, said Bickmore. They open a window onto the skeptic’s scientific claims, like his assertion that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is wrong about global warming.
Wiki on Monkton:He was an unsuccessful candidate for a Conservative seat in the House of Lords in a March 2007 by-election caused by the death of Lord Mowbray and Stourton. Of the 43 candidates, 31 – including Monckton – received no votes in the election.[4] He was highly critical of the way that the Lords had been reformed, describing the by-election procedure, with 43 candidates and 47 electors, as “a bizarre constitutional abortion.”[5]
“Harry Lu (20:31:16) :
This man is loosing control of his supposed intelligence. Why would the IPCC want to form a world government? ”
As Gordon Brown, the UK’s unelected PM stated a couple of years ago while talking about how to fight climate change, that a “new world order” was required to meet that challenge.
He, of course, was talking about an unelected, UN based, world govn’t.
“The world-government faction at the UN faces a dilemma. If the bureaucrats push the process too fast, as they did in the run-up to the Copenhagen meeting last December, the train will come off the tracks.
However, if they slow things down to allow the caboose to catch up with the locomotive, the passengers may start to notice that the climate is not in fact changing anything like as rapidly as the UN’s climate reports have been predicting.”
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Hah! Are all of these train references aimed at the Railroad Engineer Numero Uno Dr. Rajendra Pachauri?
Tom in Texas (20:03:40) :
“H.R. (19:10:23) : “…they should keep the Treaty short and to the point, establishing general principles and allowing the details to be worked out once the Treaty was in force.”
Let me get this straight; everyone signs without knowing exactly what’s in there?
Just sign the check, we’ll fill in the amount later.”
They have to act fast or come up with a whole new scam. The climate cycle is flipping to the cool mode, people are starting to wake up, Obamessiah has become Obummer…
As David Rockefeller stated on Sept. 23, 1994 – “This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long… We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order.” And now that “window of opportunity” is closing thanks to the people who published the CRU e-mails and leaked the “Danish text”
The financiers managed to stage the banking crisis and Obama very nicely handed over control of the US economy to the the Financial Stability Board He also set up the USA for hyper inflation down the road by doubling the money supply and increasing the debt cap to equal the GNP. This pretty much guarantees the USA is looking at bankruptcy down the road. Congress will have little say since Obama has already put the USA in the bankers control. Take a look at Structural Adjustment Programs to see just what Obama has signed the USA up for by turning control over to the Financial Stability Board
However the bankers (World Bank) also want the right to tax everyone in the world outright and that needs the CO2 treaty.
Just in case you wondered, in the USA 100% of your personal tax money goes to these bankers according to the Grace commission report. No wonder the Rockefellers, Morgans, Warburgs and Rothchilds can afford to manipulate whole countries.
“He said he hoped the negotiators would take the approach that had worked during the discussions that led to the Kyoto Protocol: they should keep the Treaty short and to the point, establishing general principles and allowing the details to be worked out once the Treaty was in force.”
We have to pass the Treaty so we can find out what’s in it!
Is anyone else having deja vu?
Harry Lu (20:31:16),
You are very naive.
There is one aspect of the change in moral values brought about by the advance of collectivism which at the present time provides special food for thought. It is that the virtues which are held less and less in esteem and which consequently become rarer are precisely those on which the British people justly prided themselves and in which they were generally agreed to excel. The virtues possessed by Anglo-Saxons in a higher degree than most other people, excepting only a few of the smaller nations, like the Swiss and the Dutch, were independence and self-reliance, individual initiative and local responsibility, the successful reliance on voluntary activity, noninterference with one’s neighbor and tolerance of the different and queer, respect for custom and tradition, and a healthy suspicion of power and authority.
~ F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom.
ol·i·gar·chy (ŏl’ĭ-gär’kē, ō’lĭ-)
n. pl. ol·i·gar·chies
Government by a few, especially by a small faction of persons or families.
A state governed by a few persons.
Harry Lu (20:31:16) :
Conspiracy theorist or what!
This man is loosing control of his supposed intelligence. Why would the IPCC want to form a world government?
If the science of monkton fails then try the “theyre taking your freedom” tack.
Crazee!!
WHERE have you been for the last several years???
“No tin-foil hats needed. This is all happening right out in the open….
[T]he Commission on Global Governance, founded in 1992 at the suggestion of former West German Chancellor and socialist Willy Brandt. Maathai worked on the CGG alongside Maurice Strong, Jimmy Carter and Robert McNamara. The group’s manifesto, “Out Global Neighborhood,” calls for a dramatic reordering of the world’s political power – and redistribution of the world’s wealth…..” http://the-classic-liberal.com/maurice-strong/
And Just in case you do not know who Maurice Strong is
“It is instructive to read Strong’s 1972 Stockholm speech and compare it with the issues of Earth Summit 1992. Strong warned urgently about global warming, the devastation of forests, the loss of biodiversity, polluted oceans, the population time bomb. Then as now, he invited to the conference the brand-new environmental NGOs [non-governmental organizations]: he gave them money to come; they were invited to raise hell at home. After Stockholm, environment issues became part of the administrative framework in Canada, the U.S., Britain, and Europe. “ http://www.afn.org/~govern/strong.html
Globalization is alive and well and progressing nicely. Look up “harmonization” of Laws and the World Trade Organization as well as Obama and The Financial Stability Board. See Investors Insight: The End of America’s Financial Independence
Harmonization:
“In a sweeping move that has garnered surprisingly little attention this week the United States and the European Union have signed up to a new transatlantic economic partnership that will see regulatory standards “harmonized” and will lay the basis for a merging of the US and EU into one single market, a huge step on the path to a new globalized world order.” The BBC reported from the Summit in Washington on Monday
US Food and Drug Administration on International Harmonization
“The harmonization of laws, regulations and standards between and among trading partners requires intense, complex, time-consuming negotiations by CFSAN officials. Harmonization must simultaneously facilitate international trade and promote mutual understanding, while protecting national interests and establish a basis to resolve food issues on sound scientific evidence in an objective atmosphere. Failure to reach a consistent, harmonized set of laws, regulations and standards within the freetrade agreements and the World Trade Organization Agreements can result in considerable economic repercussions.”
Harry Lu (20:39:04) :
Harry, the funny thing is that I made a similar inquiry regarding Lord Monckton’s status to the House of Lords and never received a reply. I used my academic titles and my academic address. Funny how one academic is deemed worthy of response and one isn’t….. or?
Learn the words of “The Internationale”.
It’s always Marcia, Marcia (19:03:42)
Not Marxism, Gramsci-ism. Gramsci was the originator of the ideas and process of creating a “Hegemony” that we are seeing.
Cancun? CANCUN?
Fiji, Copenhagen, and now CANCUN???
These parasite are doing nothing but having a vacation/party on OUR dime. When are they going to have a meeting in a normal place that the rest of us hang out in.. places like Soso Mississippi or Newark New Jersey… maybe Kansas City Kansas or El Centro California.
This is nothing but a giant international tax payer funded party for these corruptocrats.
I take the view the evil empire will win. They have the time and the necessary will power to succeed in world domination. The public do not have the time nor the willingness to stop it. Most are too busy with other distractions or are brain dead to be concerned with such matters. I hope I’m wrong but I am convinced that I’m right. Time will tell though.
Harry Lu,
The wording on a new world order and world government was in the drafts to the Copenhagen agreement. Due to peoples’ reactions to this, it was edited out. Australia’s Rudd made similar remarks as yours I believe. Monckton adressed them in an open letter. Google it. You do not need a tin foil hat for reading the drafts. I agree, you seem a bit naive.
My previous post To Harry Lu should read: “was in the (early) drafts…” and
“I agree (with the other poster) you seem a bit naive”. Arghhh! iPhone auto correct and on screen keyboard is not my favorite combination.
pwl (19:08:38) :
Just say no and use the power of the people to veto any moves the governments make.
The Declaration of Independence allows for the people to undo anything politicians have done. So even if current (or past) politicians have done something that the people don’t want it can be undone, regardless of the wording of what was done.
“…..endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness…..”
http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm
Sera (21:36:40) :
A state governed by a few persons.
And everyone else would be a serf.