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Above: The Cunderdin Australian Climate Reference Network station, a BoM official photo. Source: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/map/stations/010035.shtml
There’s an effort to the surfacestations.org project underway in Australia to have a look at the quality of siting of stations, see here.
They write:
We have now looked at 18 separate stations (out of a total of 103), in three separate categories. So far, not one of these stations meets the criteria of being “away from large urban centres” and the CRN quality standards of NOAA/NCDC in terms of siting.
Unless there is a dramatic improvement in the remaining 85 stations, we would be well justified in asking the questions: “Just how reliable is the RCS network data and how valid are any conclusions that are drawn from them”?
h/t to Andrew Bolt in Is this how to measure our warming?
Along these lines, there’s a new paper out related to station siting, but it is in French. I could use Google translate, but it tends to do a poor job of technical papers. It is 14 pages long, with a lot of white space. Any volunteers? Leave a comment if you can. – Anthony
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Anthony,
I can also translate from French to English—have done some professionally.
I’m not the quickest out there and have a lot of other responsibilities. Turnaround would be at least a week.
All the data is available in other public sources. You don’t need the location data.
In or behind the trash can?
Does everyone realize that without Anthony Watts’s diligence and persistence, these dubious “weather stations” would continue to operate, propagate, and report biased weather data unabated?
What ground-based temperature, humidity, and other averaged data would look like now, is anybody’s guess
Up on the roof top,
clop, clop, clop,
go the little hot feet,
No, No, No, no one would
be that Al Gore dumb.
Re Winton:
Right beside a concrete carpark and bitumen street. And Winton is an RCS!!!
Winton also has a warming trend of about 2 degrees per century. Now I know why.
I’m the Ken Stewart referred to by Jo Nova and Another Ian above, at http://kenskingdom.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/political-science-101/
I also checked Winton when looking at the dodgy adjustments at Mt Isa. Willis island is an excellent site- shows how little warming there is far from UHI. Hang on- aren’t the oceans supposed to be warming?
Ken
Bill Tuttle (07:28:53) :
Amino Acids in Meteorites (07:20:06) :
Do you mean Waldo? Where’s Waldo!
Standing in front of the weather station…
The we just need some little kid that good with Where’s Waldo pictures and this mystery is over!
The Joker hid it the same as the pencil. Only Batman can find it.
warning: a little violent
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8pSDdcyKSY ]
Maybe Anthony put up the picture to show how useless the posted picture is at showing where anything is. If they’re going to put up a picture, it should show the equipment. If the equipment is so obscured by stuff that it isn’t visible, the photographer or whoever processed it should have reported the problem.
REPLY: Bingo. Apparently the site is closed. No mention of that in the BoM page that I could find though. Only government could create such confusion. -A
“Along these lines, there’s a new paper out related to station siting, but it is in French. I could use Google translate, but it tends to do a poor job of technical papers. It is 14 pages long, with a lot of white space. Any volunteers? Leave a comment if you can.”
Did not read all the comments, so if no one volunteered, you have my email address.
Hi Anthony,
You say :
” … there’s a new paper out related to station siting, but it is in French. I could use Google translate, but it tends to do a poor job of technical papers. It is 14 pages long, with a lot of white space. Any volunteers …”
I volunteer to do this translation. Just send me the paper.
In AnonyMoose (22:46:19) :
REPLY: Bingo. Apparently the site is closed. No mention of that in the BoM page that I could find though. Only government could create such confusion. -A
Even more confusion than that. The station’s page shows it took temperature data from 1950 to 2007. But it also shows rainfall data from 1914 to 2009, page saying last data available is Dec 31. The combined Cunderdin page says rainfall observations are from the airfield, has the March observations. The combined page also says the cloud observations are from 010035. Yet the station’s data on mean number of cloudy and clear days only goes to 2007. Isn’t “cloudy and clear days” part of cloud observations?
By the station’s page, from 2007 to 2009 the only measurements taken were of rainfall.
The station’s page claims it is still open, so what do they do there? Since they are not even reporting cloudy and clear days, you can’t even say someone looks out the window a few times a day!
Dr David Jones (15:44:52) :
10035 stopped taking temperature obs about three years ago, after nearly a decade of parallel obs with 10286 (Cunderdin Airport).
A new map has been under preparation over recent months and will be available late next week.
So is it fair to say? :-
CUNDERDIN operated from location 31.6494S 117.2331E from 1951 to 1992
It then moved to 31.650S 117.250E between 1990 to 2005 and the data from the two sites was adjusted for differences over the two year overlap.
It is now at CUNDERDIN AIRFIELD and has been since late 1996 and the data has been compared and adjusted with the last station between the years 1996 and 2005.
Will this be documented in the BOM station history and will you acknowledge that Anthony Watts and the team at http://www.surfacestations.org/ provide a valuable service to the public?
Moose tries to figure out how to get to Australia to celebrate.
suricat (16:43:03) :
It’s not there, it’s been moved?
Told you so!:)
AnonyMoose (22:46:19) :
“[…]”
“REPLY: Bingo. […]”
Good job, AnonyMoose!
That also explains why we can’t find the barbeque in the picture. It’s been moved to the airport along with the other regulation weather reporting equipment.
AnonyMoose (22:46:19) :
I don’t see how this is inconsistant with my model that a yobbo dragged it off in his ute for some circle work. There is a disturbingly high probability that my theory may be accurate >.>