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Above: The Cunderdin Australian Climate Reference Network station, a BoM official photo. Source: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/map/stations/010035.shtml
There’s an effort to the surfacestations.org project underway in Australia to have a look at the quality of siting of stations, see here.
They write:
We have now looked at 18 separate stations (out of a total of 103), in three separate categories. So far, not one of these stations meets the criteria of being “away from large urban centres” and the CRN quality standards of NOAA/NCDC in terms of siting.
Unless there is a dramatic improvement in the remaining 85 stations, we would be well justified in asking the questions: “Just how reliable is the RCS network data and how valid are any conclusions that are drawn from them”?
h/t to Andrew Bolt in Is this how to measure our warming?
Along these lines, there’s a new paper out related to station siting, but it is in French. I could use Google translate, but it tends to do a poor job of technical papers. It is 14 pages long, with a lot of white space. Any volunteers? Leave a comment if you can. – Anthony
I think I found it!
It *lies* just above the little brick wall to the left. That white thing on the floor with a black(?) cover.
The post of it points to the left, throughout between the two sticks and the bushes at the left.
Right?
DavidF.W. (22:05:32) :
“I believe it is behind the fence and small tree, attached to the building.”
I agree, extend a line from the 010 035 board to the E/N marker and note where it intersects the house. I suspect this simple indicator device is standard as a permanent, on photo, aid for identification of a difficult station.
Then again I could be wrong!
It’s broken and in the recycle wheelie bin with the Yellow lid.
I think I see it lying on its side in the left foreground in front of the fence.
cunderdin shows a typical warming from its start date in the 50s. if you look at kellerberrin (10073), it goes from 1910 and shows the warmer 30s into the 40s, then a big drop in temps to the 50s,60s and 70s then a rise again temps now are at mid 1930s temps.
@Patrick Guinness (16:52:22)
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..from your link posted:
“…Jones says that this correlation is evidence of causation, because the IPCC has no other explanation.
The first rejoinder by sceptics is that this is an argument from ignorance.”
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“Argument from ignorance” aka “Cargo Cult Climate Science”
http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/cargo-cult-climate-science
http://pathstoknowledge.net/2010/02/19/cargo-cult-science-a-lesson-from-richard-feynman-for-scientists-of-today-to-learn/
Is it the rain gauge in the shrubbery?
It’s behind Wado’s hat…
%$#@ur momisugly!
“Waldo’s hat…”
C’mon, Anthony.
Free us from this torture.
🙂
According to GISS it stopped reporting in 1992. They probably went out there, bought a case of beers and took a picture of where it may or may not have been.
GISS has data from 1951 to 1992.
NCDC has data from a station at CUNDERDIN from 1990 to 2005 and then data from CUNDERDIN AIRFIELD 1998 and is up to date.
The mystery CUNDERDIN station’s location is given as 31.650S 117.250E by the NCDC on their station locator page and looks very promising.
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt74/MartinGAtkins/cunderdin.jpg
Station locator.
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/inventories/ISH-HISTORY.TXT
From BOM, CUNDERDIN AIRFIELD location 31.6219S 117.2217E looks accurate.
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt74/MartinGAtkins/cundair.jpg
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDW60801/IDW60801.95625.shtml
So the old one is probably under all that rubbish.
kadaka (22:52:58) :Yeah, there’s a problem here alright. If the automatic weather station has been at the airport since 1996 then what happened before that? Seems we might have a site change here.
I’m quite familiar with Cunderdin, having learned to fly gliders there in 1966-67 at the airport and visiting the gliding club there on many occasions since. I was last there in January 2010. Many memories of old friends, some now deceased.
The airport was established early in WWII as a RAAF training base. Likely there are some reasonable weather records from that period. It was abandoned by the air force after WWII then inhabited by some crop dusters and associated maintenance organisation during the 1950’s. There was a government caretaker for quite a while during that period and right up to the early 70s.
The Gliding Club of Western Australia used to visit for a camp during the summers in the late 1950’s and moved there around 1960 when Perth Airport became a serious international airport.
The town was quite busy when I first saw it around Christmas 1957 at 9 years of age. By 1970 it was in severe decline which accelerated during the 70s and 80s with some signs of a revival in the last 10 years.
Between the airport and the town is a couple of kilometer wide band of badly salinity affected land. It was bad in 1957 too.
Just exactly where the weather data was taken is anybody’s guess at this point.
Darwin Airport:
There hs not been that much urbanization in the immediate
vicinity of the airport for a while. The airport is relatively
close to city center, and the land nearest the airport is
light-industrial and excluded from urban development.
Still plenty of urbanization since 1970s in the greater urban
area which surrounds the airport on all sides. Oh yeah,
XMAS day 1974, the urban areas immediatley Nth of
the airport were obliterated by a cyclone (Cyclone Tracy).
Darwin Airport does not take A380s or Jumbos. More the
middle size two and three engine craft.
Right at the front at the bottom of the picture. One of them fancy new digital readouts showing a min of 010 and a max of 035.
If you go to this: http://tinyurl.com/yk9ulm4
The Heading for the page says
“Cunderdin, Western Australia
March 2010 Daily Weather Observations
Most observations from the airport, but some from a site in town.”
Say after me, slowly … “Most observations from the airport, but some from a site in town.”
The photo must be of the “site in town” surely?
>>I believe it’s been located amongst/behind the stacked bricks
>>to protect it from male dingos
Dingos steal temp gauges, as well as kids??
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>>The primary purpose of the station is, after all, assistance
>>to aviation. It can be quite tricky landing a big aircraft at
>>Darwin where there can be sharp temperature inversions
>>close enough to the ground to cause a sudden change in
>>lift as the wing passes through.
Having flown many times out of Darwin, Alice, Kunnenara, Derby etc:, our complaint was always that the airport temperatures were too low.
Pilots make critical engine and airframe performance calculations from these temperatures. But the airport temperature gauge was always cosseted in a nice cool white shade, whereas the temperature we were experiencing were out on a dark tarmac or concrete strip in full sunlight (with the air above heated accordingly). At a guess, our performance calculations may have been 5oc or more out.
Pilots might appreciate ‘increased’ temperatures.
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My guess – They sold it for scrap and just “make the figures up” based on what the local weatherman says?
Its one of those new fangled virtual sensor … where they’ve taken away anything that detracts from the manmade global warming signal (like reality)
There appears to be something at the bottom of the vertical window air conditioner just above the green dumpster. There is quite a bit of noise in the photo, perhaps some type of plant.
Thats my bet and I’m sticking to it.
Rich D.
@Ralph (05:13:30)
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>>to protect it from male dingos
Dingos steal temp gauges, as well as kids??
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No – more like a dingo in heat humping temp. station problem 😉
There isn’t one. They just make up the numbers as they go.
infront of the white fence behind the green board sitting on ground
Hi Anthony, add me to the list of French-speaking Canucks volunteering to look at your paper. I am also in Ottawa, where just about everything has to be translated one way or the other.
There isn’t one. They just make up the numbers as they go.