From Spaceweather.com with apologies to Linus and Charles Schulz

The Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) is tracking an enormous magnetic filament on the sun. It stretches more than one million kilometers from end to end, which makes it an easy target for backyard solar telescopes. For the seventh day in a row, an enormous magnetic filament is hanging suspended above the surface of the sun’s southern hemisphere. The Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) has a great view. How long can it last? Solar filaments are unpredictable. If this one collapses and hits the stellar surface, the impact could produce a powerful Hyder flare.
The most recent SOHO image is here
Hyder Flares: from Australian IPS 1. What is a Hyder flare?
Flares are intense brightenings that occur in the solar chromosphere. Flares are generally observed from Earth using narrow band filters, typically with a bandwidth of less than 0.1 nm, and often centred on the Hydrogen-Alpha wavelength of 656.3 nm. (Flares also have counterparts, that is, sudden outbursts, in the radio and X-ray spectrum).
Most flares occur around active regions associated with sunspot groups. However, occasionally a flare (sudden brightening) is observed well away from an active region or sunspot group. These flares are invariably associated with the sudden disappearance of a large (thick, long, ‘bushy’) dark solar filament, and are termed Hyder flares.
2. Why are Hyder flares so named?
Max Waldmeier wrote a paper in 1938 which described the phenomenon of suddenly disappearing filaments (disparition brusque), and mentioned that these can be associated with flare-like brightenings, but it was left to Charles Hyder to postulate the first comprehensive mechanism for the such flares.
Following on work from his doctoral thesis with the University of Colorado in Boulder (1964), Hyder published two papers in the second volume of the journal Solar Physics (1967) in which the mechanism by which Hyder flares might occur was discussed in detail. Hyder was then on the staff of the (US) Air Force Cambridge Research Laboratories at the Sacramento Peak Observatory in New Mexico.
It was these papers in Solar Physics by which Hyder’s name became associated with the flares in question, even though he was by no means the first to observe them.
3. What are the characteristics of Hyder flares?
As previously mentioned, the name Hyder flare is given to a flare that occurs away from an active region or sunspot group and that is associated with the sudden disappearance of a dark filament. The appearance of these flares can range from a string of bright knots on one or both sides of the filament (or rather, the position previously occupied by the filament, sometimes called the filament channel), to a single or double ribbon flare. The ribbons are parallel to the filament channel. If only one ribbon is present, it will lie to one side of the channel, whereas if two parallel ribbons occur, one ribbon will lie on one side of the filament channel, and the other ribbon will lie on the opposite side.
One interesting characteristic of Hyder flares is that they usually develop or rise to maximum brightness much more slowly than do the more common flares associated with active regions. The larger Hyder flares may take 30 to 60 minutes to rise to a peak intensity, and then they may last for several hours. Although they may attain a large area, they usually have a relatively low intensity. Thus, classifications for a large Hyder flare may read 2F, 2N or possibly even 3F. This contrasts to an active region flare in which 3F is very rare. An active region flare that attains sufficient area to put it into the importance class 3, will invariably have either a Normal or more usually a Brilliant brightness classification.
X-ray flares and radio (microwave) bursts associated with the optical Hyder flare, are also generally long lived phenomenon and are classified as the gradual rise and fall type of event (in contrast to the impulsive and complex events associated with large active region flares).
Generally Hyder flares are not associated with energetic particle emission or geomagnetic storms (implying that they may not be associated with a coronal mass ejection). However, this is not always the case, as a large halo CME observed by the LASCO solar coronagraph on board the SOHO spacecraft was most definitely associated with a Hyder flare (2N/M1) observed on 12 September 2000. This same complex also appeared to have produced energetic protons at geosynchronous orbit with energies in excess of 100 MeV, and in substantial numbers at energies of 10 MeV. It is believed that the sudden storm commencement observed at 0450UT 15 September, and the subsequent minor geomagnetic storm was produced by this particular CME.
4. What produces Hyder flares?
Hyder’s explanation of the flare type now named after him depended on the observational evidence that (1) often the flare was a parallel ribbon flare with one ribbon each side of the filament channel, and (2) that geomagnetic storms were not associated with these flares. This led to the speculation that the filamentary material was not ejected far into the corona, but in fact fell back to the chromosphere producing the flare.
Stable or quiescent filaments are believed to lie in and along a magnetic trough. It is thought that the sudden disappearance of such a filament is due to a reconfiguration of the field. In essence, the magnetic trough becomes a magnetic ridge (the bottom of the trough elevating in a period of tens of minutes to become the peak of the ridge). In this process, the filamentary material (cooler gas) is thought to be accelerated into the corona. Hyder’s explanation is that, in the case of the Hyder flare, some or even most of the filament material, instead of suffering acceleration and ejection, falls down the sides of the magnetic ridge and interacts with the lower chromospheric material producing the flare. If the infall process is symmetrical, then the double parallel ribbon flare will result, if asymmetrical, then only one ribbon results. If the infall is sporadic, or the material insufficient, then only bright knots of flare are produced. Hyder did calculations to show that the kinetic energy of the infalling material should be sufficient to provide the required flare energy release observed.
Of late, the Hyder mechanism has come into question. Some people (notably Zirin) have questioned whether infall occurs, stating that the magnetic reconfiguration must always produce ejection. The respective roles of flares and CME’s in solar active processes has also been hotly debated, and this has implications for the exact mechanism of Hyder flares. We certainly have enough observational evidence to show that Hyder flares can be associated with both CME’s and energetic particle production. For the moment, the question of Hyder flare production mechanism appears unresolved, and will probably be sidelined until the more significant (and undoubtedly related) issue of CME – flare production mechanism is sorted out.
The bottom line is that at this stage in solar physics we do not really know what produces a flare nor what produces a CME. There are competing theories, but all tend to have deficiencies with respect to matching the observational evidence. We certainly believe that they all depend on the reconfiguration of magnetic fields as their primary energy source, but in the final analysis, we really only believe this because we can conceive of no other solar energy source of sufficient magnitude.

Smokey (20:41:06) :
the ‘down’ part bothered me.
There is little doubt which way is ‘down’ : http://twitpic.com/ocd4d
Can’t you tell which way the turtles descend by the polarity of their microwave emissions?
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kim (20:59:18) :
Can’t you tell which way the turtles descend by the polarity of their microwave emissions?
There is an easier way: http://twitpic.com/ocd4d
Leif Svalgaard (19:47:52) :
“To worry about even lower turtles, until we have seen them is not very fruitful.”
I agree to the extent that you said previously, “Before we introduce [or believe in] mechanisms not yet discovered we should be relatively certain there is something to be explained”, but I do think that there can be fruit in contemplating the unknown. Most humans seem to have an innate desire to feel like they know, regardless of the state of their knowledge. For example, people appear to feel more comfortable knowing there is or isn’t a god, or that climate change is primarily driven by CO2 or the Sun, regardless of whether there is sufficient information available to make such a determination. As such, a gentle walk into the unknown and healthy realization that our current knowledge is barely a glimpse of all there is to know, can offer some valuable perspective.
Leif Svalgaard (20:45:51),
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
Just The Facts (21:09:39) :
but I do think that there can be fruit in contemplating the unknown.
As long as one knows it is just speculation or contemplation, but all too often such takes on the aura of gospel truth and that is where my problem with it begins.
Smokey (21:13:08) :
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
Is the T-shirt blue or white?
Blue, with white epaulets.
Leif Svalgaard (21:29:11) :
“but all too often such takes on the aura of gospel truth”
That’s really the root of it, when reasoned discovery is replaced by faithful pursuit. It must be true, because I believe it to be so…
As Judith Lean says “A solar constant is an oxymoron”
Science is moving quickly in this arena and its time for the old school to catch up. Measuring TSI is old hat and masks some of the big underlying variances during the solar cycle.
EUV (extreme ultra violet in the 1-100nm wave length) in particular has varied 6% when comparing the solar min at 1996 and now. What would the total EUV variance for the whole cycle measure?
EUV interacts substantially with our upper atmosphere.
They are not spending millions on the EVE project aboard SDO for nothing, science is moving forward and recognizing the old methods needed to be improved upon.
Leif Svalgaard (18:50:24) :
Pamela Gray (18:28:33) :
Earthquakes and sunspot numbers????? Just spit my red wine all over the screen. Please tell me that question is just to get a sinus congested sick redhead to laugh.
you know, the planets are doing it [to both sun and earth and brains]
Ah, the usual descent to ridicule in the face of the inability to admit ignorance. Your attempt to associate the modern study of solar system dynamics with parlour astrology makes more of a fool of you than me.
Leif Svalgaard (16:58:50) :
tallbloke (16:11:50) :
Has the standard mainstream model got any good explanation for why these big earthquakes happen when the sunspot number is low?
Is an explanation needed?
The people of Haiti and Chile would like one. If the current crop of physicists weren’t so stuck up their own paradigm, they might have got better and predicting them by now and saved many thousands of lives and halped avert some of the untold misery.
Self preening about the achievements of a science which chooses to remain ignorant of the forces which shatter lives is hubris.
The view of scientific progress being pushed here is exactly what led to the domination of climate science by the AGW clique: Make your theory seem more certain by excluding other points of view. Ridicule opponents. Judge their ideas by the yardstick of your own ignorance pretending to be a knowledge complete enough to be entitled to falsify other ideas. It’s a method which had it’s place in the Enlightenment period when science was battling the church for dominance, but it has little relevance or applicabilty in the post climategate world we now inhabit.
One of the AGW clique has seen this now. I wonder how long it will take you.
Therefore scientists need to do everything possible to make sure that they effectively communicate uncertainty, risk, probability and complexity, and provide a context that includes alternative and competing scientific viewpoints.
– Dr Judith Curry –
”””Leif Svalgaard (19:47:52) : Once we get down to the Planck Length, presumably space itself cannot be broken up further, but we don’t really know. The turtles was related to the fundamental problem of knowledge itself. . . [bunch of stuff bewteen] . . . So, our ‘understanding’ at any given time should be seen in relation to what we need to explain, i.e. our observations at that time. To worry about even lower turtles, until we have seen them is not very fruitful.””””
Leif/Smokey/Tallbloke/Just the Facts/Kim,
I hesitantly continue the turtling.
I think it is good to have an almost childlike wonder at the possiblities of going beyond the current barriers to knowledge considering what we already have been given by physics. We look and wonder with no need to worry.
Leif, in particular, physicists like you in your generation and many generations before you are potentually providing the means for future generations to look past the current barriers [?Planck’s units?] of sub-subatomic particles into a downward potential continuum [turtles down]. Hey, maybe also to look at a far reaching continuum upward [turtles up] past galaxies of galaxies made of other things that are potentially not even galaxylike . . . ? Or maybe turtle sideways in our existing level of the continuum to get this level right as much as possible before we turtle down or up?
It is a great endevour. Leif, I do appreciate the caution you advise about having some discipline in all this. Please keep it up, we can never repay you. On the other hand, I think you have had childern (like me) and grandchildren and in spite of our best intentions at discipline . . . it doesn’t always work with the younger generation. Maybe it is good that we aren’t ever totally successful with the discipline thing.
QUOTE OF THE TURTLES: “Take the red pill young turtle and we see how far down [or up or sideways] the turtle hole goes. Take the blue pill and forget all about being a turtle forever, go back to live your life as a mushroom before being turtled on WUWT.” My apologies to the folks who made the Matrix.
Now, my friends, I will guietly go down to the bottle keep bar around the corner of my Taipei apartment and purchase a fresh bottle of MaCallan 18 yr Fine Oak Cask. Then at said establishment I will put a nice dent in it. Take my Blackberry and enjoy a little more of Anthony’s great site. Maybe I won’t even have turtle halucinations. : )
John
tallbloke (23:51:53) :
Ah, the usual descent to ridicule in the face of the inability to admit ignorance.
It is clear that we do not know how to predict specific Earthquakes. No need to admit ignorance there as it is glaring and well known.
“Is an explanation needed?”
The people of Haiti and Chile would like one. If the current crop of physicists weren’t so stuck up their own paradigm
You confuse plain prediction of earthquakes with the issue: why when sunspot numbers were low many earthquakes have occurred. You have not demonstrated that there is a relation beyond coincidence and no explanation of coincidences are needed.
Make your theory seem more certain by excluding other points of view.
Science is not ‘points of view’. There has to be evidence, theory, and verification.
Ridicule opponents.
They do a good job themselves
provide a context that includes alternative and competing scientific viewpoints.
The operative word is ‘scientific’. It is not a competing scientific view that the Haitian earthquake was caused by the Haitian’s belief in voodoo.
To hold up the possibility of earthquake prediction and thus saving lives and reducing misery by unsubstantiated claims is irresponsible. Akin to extracting money from grieving relatives by telling them that the dead can talk to us through a medium if only they would believe in this alternative view.
Leif Svalgaard (03:07:19) :
The operative word is ’scientific’. It is not a competing scientific view that the Haitian earthquake was caused by the Haitian’s belief in voodoo.
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So, many views and opinions.
Leif, you said the word ‘vooodooo’ again! Doesn’t matter in what context. We now get the song “Black Magic Woman,” done by SANTANA.
The song is hypnotic and contains the vooodooo of Carlos Santana.
Enjoy some voodoo today.
Voodoo may or may not be such a bad thing.
Russia toys with exotic nuclear space projects
http://en.rian.ru/science/20100127/157694567.html
What say you solar scientists about other countries’ space programs? With all due respect Dr Svalgaard, I reckon the Russians are cognizant and appreciative of the electric universe reality.
Peace!
Pamela Gray (18:28:33) :
Earthquakes and sunspot numbers????? Just spit my red wine all over the screen. Please tell me that question is just to get a sinus congested sick redhead to laugh.
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We all need that laugh now and again. But since you keep letting everyone know that you are a ‘redhead,’ could you explain to me why, when I go looking for new shoes, do I always try on the 91/2 when my brain knows the shoe size is 10 W?
Earthquakes time lapse of an internal process that expands and contracts. Sunspot cycle numbers a time lapse of an external process of expansion and contraction.
You guys need to get your head out of the sun, umm, sand! To deny sunspot activity effects upon the Earth’s crust and climate…..is a bit of any oxymoron isn’t it?
C’mon you can do it! I know you can!
Suranda (06:07:45) :
You guys need to get your head out of the sun, umm, sand! To deny sunspot activity effects upon the Earth’s crust and climate…..is a bit of any oxymoron isn’t it?
C’mon you can do it! I know you can!
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Sorry, Suranda just can’t get my head wrapped around the idea that, everytime the sun blows a billion ton CME, that is Earth directed, it causes an immediate response earthquake response? Is that what you are saying?
Just can’t get my head wrapped around that particular sorta thinking that’s going on Suranda. Earthquakes, volacanoes going on foreverer and a day or so. Something with time lags of ..geesh..ahh…umm. Ask again in 10years.
Anyway, trying to keep my head wrapped around the clouds.
John Whitman (23:58:22) :
I think it is good to have an almost childlike wonder at the possiblities of going beyond the current barriers to knowledge considering what we already have been given by physics. We look and wonder with no need to worry.
But we do look past the current turtle, to the next one or two, but then it is prudent to stop, lest we get sidetracked by ‘alternative views’
Suranda (05:56:55) :
I reckon the Russians are cognizant and appreciative of the electric universe
Your link does not say that. I was once U.S. president Nixon’s envoy to the Soviet Union [on solar impact on the environment] and know first-hand the mentality and priorities of Russian research [I’m still in contact with several – surviving – researchers of that era]. The Russians are no more appreciative of the EU than anybody else]. Their threshold for looking in to nonsense is a bit lower than ours, but their ability to weed is not.
An excellent article on the solar cycle:
http://solarphysics.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrsp-2010-1/
John Whitman (19:12:58):
John, instead of thinking in terms of particles, it might be more useful to think in terms of discreet energy packets, although, some might consider the two terms as being a distinction without a difference.
But I’ll submit “discreet energy packets” possibly will allow the intellectual perspective to consider and develop additional hypothesis that could lead to more knowledge & understanding about the sub-atomic world, and just as important, how that sub-atomic world of physical relationships, energy relationships, scales up to largest physical, energy relationships.
Expanding human knowledge at both ends of the continuum would be positive in terms of knowledge for its own sake and for Man’s technological ability to harness the physical relationships of the Universe for Man’s benefit.
There is pure Science.
And,
There is applied Science.
Both are positive human endeavors.
Carla ~ Even if the CME isn’t earth directed, the Earth is affected because anything that happens on the Sun will directly or indirectly affect the Earth on some level. But maybe it’s just my woo-woo thinking that the Sun is the source of life/living/being here as woo-woo eeensy beensy earthlings.
You have devoted yourself the extremely technical aspects/study/research of the Cosmos, and I’m just here to add a bit of woo-woo to bring you back to Earth.
Skylurker Woo-Woo Suranda
Thank you Dr Svalgaard ~ I stand corrected. My statement (yes, not mentioned in the link) was just a conjecture that the Russian Space Agency may now be crossing the paradigm and exploring that which they had previously rejected about the nature of the cosmos.
The wind is picking up here in northern Florida and the magnetosphere is (again) getting its butt kicked, presumably an effect from one of those CME’s and I can’t help but think that we are in big trouble. As a human race, we are in trouble. And it CENTRES AROUND THEY SUN. The Sun is defying all aspects of behaviour as dictated by traditional science.
We need to wake up.
Suranda (10:16:03) :
My statement (yes, not mentioned in the link) was just a conjecture
With no evidence…
The Russians have come a long way since the excesses of the Soviet era where they often went far beyond rational science. Back then they even goaded the CIA to investigate para-normal phenomena, lest a ‘psychic gap’ should develop, just as it was believed there was a ‘missile gap’.