Foreword – Below is a guest post (by request) from Dr. Judith Curry on the issues we deal with every day here. While I and other like minded bloggers were given the opportunity to have some early input into this, little of it was accepted. This I think puts it off to a bad start in light of the title. One of my issues was that it wasn’t necessary to use the word “deniers”, which I think removal of is central to any discourse that includes a goal of “rebuilding trust”. There’s also other more technical issues related to current investigations that are not addressed here.
I had made my concerns known to Dr. Curry before in this post: The Curry letter: a word about “deniers”… which is worth re-reading again.
To be frank, given that she’s still using the term even when pointed out, and had deferred other valid suggestions from other skeptics, I’d given serious consideration to not carrying this at all. But I had carried Dr. Curry’s original post (at my request) on 11/27/09, just seven days after the Climategate story broke here at WUWT on 11/20/09:
An open letter from Dr. Judith Curry on climate science
Since I had carried that one at my request to Dr. Curry, I decided it only fair that I’d carry this one she offered, but with the above caveat. Further, as Andrew Revkin pointed out yesterday, WUWT is now by far the most trafficked climate blog in the world. With that comes a level of responsibility to broadly report the issues. Readers should give their opinion here, pulling no punches, but with one caveat: make the discourse respectful and without labels or inflammatory comments. – Anthony

Guest post by Judith Curry, Georgia Institute of Technology
I am trying something new, a blogospheric experiment, if you will. I have been a fairly active participant in the blogosphere since 2006, and recently posted two essays on climategate, one at climateaudit.org and the other at climateprogress.org. Both essays were subsequently picked up by other blogs, and the diversity of opinions expressed at the different blogs was quite interesting. Hence I am distributing this essay to a number of different blogs simultaneously with the hope of demonstrating the collective power of the blogosphere to generate ideas and debate them. I look forward to a stimulating discussion on this important topic.
Losing the Public’s Trust
Climategate has now become broadened in scope to extend beyond the CRU emails to include glaciergate and a host of other issues associated with the IPCC. In responding to climategate, the climate research establishment has appealed to its own authority and failed to understand that climategate is primarily a crisis of trust. Finally, we have an editorial published in Science on February 10 from Ralph Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Science, that begins to articulate the trust issue: “This view reflects the fragile nature of trust between science and society, demonstrating that the perceived misbehavior of even a few scientists can diminish the credibility of science as a whole. What needs to be done? Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.” While I applaud loudly Dr. Cicerone’s statement, I wish it had been made earlier and had not been isolated from the public by publishing the statement behind paywall at Science. Unfortunately, the void of substantive statements from our institutions has been filled in ways that have made the situation much worse.
Credibility is a combination of expertise and trust. While scientists persist in thinking that they should be trusted because of their expertise, climategate has made it clear that expertise itself is not a sufficient basis for public trust. The fallout from climategate is much broader than the allegations of misconduct by scientists at two universities. Of greatest importance is the reduced credibility of the IPCC assessment reports, which are providing the scientific basis for international policies on climate change. Recent disclosures about the IPCC have brought up a host of concerns about the IPCC that had been festering in the background: involvement of IPCC scientists in explicit climate policy advocacy; tribalism that excluded skeptics; hubris of scientists with regards to a noble (Nobel) cause; alarmism; and inadequate attention to the statistics of uncertainty and the complexity of alternative interpretations.
The scientists involved in the CRU emails and the IPCC have been defended as scientists with the best of intentions trying to do their work in a very difficult environment. They blame the alleged hacking incident on the “climate denial machine.” They are described as fighting a valiant war to keep misinformation from the public that is being pushed by skeptics with links to the oil industry. They are focused on moving the science forward, rather than the janitorial work of record keeping, data archival, etc. They have had to adopt unconventional strategies to fight off what they thought was malicious interference. They defend their science based upon their years of experience and their expertise.
Scientists are claiming that the scientific content of the IPCC reports is not compromised by climategate. The jury is still out on the specific fallout from climategate in terms of the historical and paleo temperature records. There are larger concerns (raised by glaciergate, etc.) particularly with regards to the IPCC Assessment Report on Impacts (Working Group II): has a combination of groupthink, political advocacy and a noble cause syndrome stifled scientific debate, slowed down scientific progress and corrupted the assessment process? If institutions are doing their jobs, then misconduct by a few individual scientists should be quickly identified, and the impacts of the misconduct should be confined and quickly rectified. Institutions need to look in the mirror and ask the question as to how they enabled this situation and what opportunities they missed to forestall such substantial loss of public trust in climate research and the major assessment reports.
In their misguided war against the skeptics, the CRU emails reveal that core research values became compromised. Much has been said about the role of the highly politicized environment in providing an extremely difficult environment in which to conduct science that produces a lot of stress for the scientists. There is no question that this environment is not conducive to science and scientists need more support from their institutions in dealing with it. However, there is nothing in this crazy environment that is worth sacrificing your personal or professional integrity. And when your science receives this kind of attention, it means that the science is really important to the public. Therefore scientists need to do everything possible to make sure that they effectively communicate uncertainty, risk, probability and complexity, and provide a context that includes alternative and competing scientific viewpoints. This is an important responsibility that individual scientists and particularly the institutions need to take very seriously.
Both individual scientists and the institutions need to look in the mirror and really understand how this happened. Climategate isn’t going to go away until these issues are resolved. Science is ultimately a self-correcting process, but with a major international treaty and far-reaching domestic legislation on the table, the stakes couldn’t be higher.
The Changing Nature of Skepticism about Global Warming
Over the last few months, I have been trying to understand how this insane environment for climate research developed. In my informal investigations, I have been listening to the perspectives of a broad range of people that have been labeled as “skeptics” or even “deniers”. I have come to understand that global warming skepticism is very different now than it was five years ago. Here is my take on how global warming skepticism has evolved over the past several decades.
In the 1980’s, James Hansen and Steven Schneider led the charge in informing the public of the risks of potential anthropogenic climate change. Sir John Houghton and Bert Bolin played similar roles in Europe. This charge was embraced by the environmental advocacy groups, and global warming alarmism was born. During this period I would say that many if not most researchers, including myself, were skeptical that global warming was detectable in the temperature record and that it would have dire consequences. The traditional foes of the environmental movement worked to counter the alarmism of the environmental movement, but this was mostly a war between advocacy groups and not an issue that had taken hold in the mainstream media and the public consciousness. In the first few years of the 21st century, the stakes became higher and we saw the birth of what some have called a “monolithic climate denial machine”. Skeptical research published by academics provided fodder for the think tanks and advocacy groups, which were fed by money provided by the oil industry. This was all amplified by talk radio and cable news.
In 2006 and 2007, things changed as a result of Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth” plus the IPCC 4th Assessment Report, and global warming became a seemingly unstoppable juggernaut. The reason that the IPCC 4th Assessment Report was so influential is that people trusted the process the IPCC described: participation of a thousand scientists from 100 different countries, who worked for several years to produce 3000 pages with thousands of peer reviewed scientific references, with extensive peer review. Further, the process was undertaken with the participation of policy makers under the watchful eyes of advocacy groups with a broad range of conflicting interests. As a result of the IPCC influence, scientific skepticism by academic researchers became vastly diminished and it became easier to embellish the IPCC findings rather than to buck the juggernaut. Big oil funding for contrary views mostly dried up and the mainstream media supported the IPCC consensus. But there was a new movement in the blogosphere, which I refer to as the “climate auditors”, started by Steve McIntyre. The climate change establishment failed to understand this changing dynamic, and continued to blame skepticism on the denial machine funded by big oil.
Climate Auditors and the Blogosphere
Steve McIntyre started the blog climateaudit.org so that he could defend himself against claims being made at the blog realclimate.org with regards to his critique of the “hockey stick” since he was unable to post his comments there. Climateaudit has focused on auditing topics related to the paleoclimate reconstructions over the past millennia (in particular the so called “hockey stick”) and also the software being used by climate researchers to fix data problems due to poor quality surface weather stations in the historical climate data record. McIntyre’s “auditing” became very popular not only with the skeptics, but also with the progressive “open source” community, and there are now a number of such blogs. The blog with the largest public audience is wattsupwiththat.com, led by weatherman Anthony Watts, with over 2 million unique visitors each month.
So who are the climate auditors? They are technically educated people, mostly outside of academia. Several individuals have developed substantial expertise in aspects of climate science, although they mainly audit rather than produce original scientific research. They tend to be watchdogs rather than deniers; many of them classify themselves as “lukewarmers”. They are independent of oil industry influence. They have found a collective voice in the blogosphere and their posts are often picked up by the mainstream media. They are demanding greater accountability and transparency of climate research and assessment reports.
So what motivated their FOIA requests of the CRU at the University of East Anglia? Last weekend, I was part of a discussion on this issue at the Blackboard. Among the participants in this discussion was Steven Mosher, who broke the climategate story and has already written a book on it here. They are concerned about inadvertent introduction of bias into the CRU temperature data by having the same people who create the dataset use the dataset in research and in verifying climate models; this concern applies to both NASA GISS and the connection between CRU and the Hadley Centre. This concern is exacerbated by the choice of James Hansen at NASA GISS to become a policy advocate, and his forecasts of forthcoming “warmest years.” Medical research has long been concerned with the introduction of such bias, which is why they conduct double blind studies when testing the efficacy of a medical treatment. Any such bias could be checked by independent analyses of the data; however, people outside the inner circle were unable to obtain access to the information required to link the raw data to the final analyzed product. Further, creation of the surface data sets was treated like a research project, with no emphasis on data quality analysis, and there was no independent oversight. Given the importance of these data sets both to scientific research and public policy, they feel that greater public accountability is required.
So why do the mainstream climate researchers have such a problem with the climate auditors? The scientists involved in the CRU emails seem to regard Steve McIntyre as their arch-nemesis (Roger Pielke Jr’s term). Steve McIntyre’s early critiques of the hockey stick were dismissed and he was characterized as a shill for the oil industry. Academic/blogospheric guerilla warfare ensued, as the academic researchers tried to prevent access of the climate auditors to publishing in scientific journals and presenting their work at professional conferences, and tried to deny them access to published research data and computer programs. The bloggers countered with highly critical posts in the blogosphere and FOIA requests. And climategate was the result.
So how did this group of bloggers succeed in bringing the climate establishment to its knees (whether or not the climate establishment realizes yet that this has happened)? Again, trust plays a big role; it was pretty easy to follow the money trail associated with the “denial machine”. On the other hand, the climate auditors have no apparent political agenda,
are doing this work for free, and have been playing a watchdog role, which has engendered the trust of a large segment of the population.
Towards Rebuilding Trust
Rebuilding trust with the public on the subject of climate research starts with Ralph Cicerone’s statement “Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.” Much has been written about the need for greater transparency, reforms to peer review, etc. and I am hopeful that the relevant institutions will respond appropriately. Investigations of misconduct are being conducted at the University of East Anglia and at Penn State. Here I would like to bring up some broader issues that will require substantial reflection by the institutions and also by individual scientists.
Climate research and its institutions have not yet adapted to its high policy relevance. How scientists can most effectively and appropriately engage with the policy process is a topic that has not been adequately discussed (e.g. the “honest broker” challenge discussed by Roger Pielke Jr), and climate researchers are poorly informed in this regard. The result has been reflexive support for the UNFCCC policy agenda (e.g. carbon cap and trade) by many climate researchers that are involved in the public debate (particularly those involved in the IPCC), which they believe follows logically from the findings of the (allegedly policy neutral) IPCC. The often misinformed policy advocacy by this group of climate scientists has played a role in the political polarization of this issue.. The interface between science and policy is a muddy issue, but it is very important that scientists have guidance in navigating the potential pitfalls. Improving this situation could help defuse the hostile environment that scientists involved in the public debate have to deal with, and would also help restore the public trust of climate scientists.
The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on difficulties of communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public that is referred to as “unscientific America” by Chris Mooney. Efforts are made to “dumb down” the message and to frame the message to respond to issues that are salient to the audience. People have heard the alarm, but they remain unconvinced because of a perceived political agenda and lack of trust of the message and the messengers. At the same time, there is a large group of educated and evidence driven people (e.g. the libertarians, people that read the technical skeptic blogs, not to mention policy makers) who want to understand the risk and uncertainties associated with climate change, without being told what kinds of policies they should be supporting. More effective communication strategies can be devised by recognizing that there are two groups with different levels of base knowledge about the topic. But building trust through public communication on this topic requires that uncertainty be acknowledged. My own experience in making public presentations about climate change has found that discussing the uncertainties increases the public trust in what scientists are trying to convey and doesn’t detract from the receptivity to understanding climate change risks (they distrust alarmism). Trust can also be rebuilt by discussing broad choices rather than focusing on specific policies.
And finally, the blogosphere can be a very powerful tool for increasing the credibility of climate research. “Dueling blogs” (e.g. climateprogress.org versus wattsupwiththat.com and realclimate.org versus climateaudit.org) can actually enhance public trust in the science as they see both sides of the arguments being discussed. Debating science with skeptics should be the spice of academic life, but many climate researchers lost this somehow by mistakenly thinking that skeptical arguments would diminish the public trust in the message coming from the climate research establishment. Such debate is alive and well in the blogosphere, but few mainstream climate researchers participate in the blogospheric debate. The climate researchers at realclimate.org were the pioneers in this, and other academic climate researchers hosting blogs include Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke Sr and Jr, Richard Rood, and Andrew Dessler. The blogs that are most effective are those that allow comments from both sides of the debate (many blogs are heavily moderated). While the blogosphere has a “wild west” aspect to it, I have certainly learned a lot by participating in the blogospheric debate including how to sharpen my thinking and improve the rhetoric of my arguments. Additional scientific voices entering the public debate particularly in the blogosphere would help in the broader communication efforts and in rebuilding trust. And we need to acknowledge the emerging auditing and open source movements in the in the internet-enabled world, and put them to productive use. The openness and democratization of knowledge enabled by the internet can be a tremendous tool for building public understanding of climate science and also trust in climate research.
No one really believes that the “science is settled” or that “the debate is over.” Scientists and others that say this seem to want to advance a particular agenda. There is nothing more detrimental to public trust than such statements.
And finally, I hope that this blogospheric experiment will demonstrate how the diversity of the different blogs can be used collectively to generate ideas and debate them, towards bringing some sanity to this whole situation surrounding the politicization of climate science and rebuilding trust with the public.
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Al Gore killed his own cause!
He killed trust in the climate science as soon he used the “denier” retoric.
Then we all realized that the books were cooked.You dont have to use retorics like that if your in a strong position.People dont accept to be intellectually abused and for no reason.
Are you a deniar Yes or No? is just like the question…. Have you stopped beating your wife Yes or no? Cheap retorical trick that has had an undeserved success and impact.
Do we have trust in the temperatur history?? NO
Do we think that the effects of co2 is drawn out of proportion? Yes!!
Do we trust Al Gore or the core scientists of IPCC? No why in h..ll should we?: They done nothing to deserve it!
Important contribution. Not a bad start.
What worries me more than the primitive “denier” term is to see warmists always considered s “scientists” as if others were not.
And, to see how wrong a theory may be is not need rocket science at all. Common sense does it.
“Debating science with skeptics should be the spice of academic life, but many climate researchers lost this somehow by mistakenly thinking that skeptical arguments would diminish the public trust in the message coming from the climate research establishment.”
Throughout the article the author differentiates between scientists and skeptics, as though none of those skeptical of the IPCC conclusions are scientists. Indeed, Anthony Watts is merely a “weatherman.” She adds here a bit of unintentional insight into the establishment mindset: if you agree with us, you are truly a scientist. If not, we must educate or reeducate you; this is apparently what she means by the term “debating” above.
A: While I and other like minded bloggers were given the opportunity to have some early input into this, little of it was accepted.
J: Hence I am distributing this essay to a number of different blogs simultaneously with the hope of demonstrating the collective power of the blogosphere to generate ideas and debate them. I look forward to a stimulating discussion on this important topic.
Usually public debate is done with the hope of changing opinions. What’s the point if the other side is closed-minded?
Credibility is a combination of expertise and trust. While scientists persist in thinking that they should be trusted because of their expertise, climategate has made it clear that expertise itself is not a sufficient basis for public trust.
In this case, the team does not have the scientific expertise they claim and they certainly do not have the personal skills which would justify trusting them.
I have come to understand that global warming skepticism is very different now than it was five years ago.
I will put it more succinctly and bluntly — before, the opposition was mostly political; now it is shifting to being scientific. It was easier to brush of skeptics before as being right-wing.
fed by money provided by the oil industry
Big oil funding for contrary views mostly dried up
They are independent of oil industry influence.
he was characterized as a shill for the oil industry.
t was pretty easy to follow the money trail associated with the “denial machine”.
I never understood this obsession with big oil, except that the claimers obviously hate big business. Judith must really believe this stuff.
Steve McIntyre started the blog climateaudit.org so that he could defend himself against claims being made at the blog realclimate.org with regards to his critique of the “hockey stick” since he was unable to post his comments there.
That is a bit of understatement. The pro-AGW blogs (both “scientific” and media) and Wikipedia are brutal for censorship and hiding that fact, not to mention Nature and Science.
The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on[…]
There’s that “truth” word again. The opposite of “skeptic” is “gullible”.
No one really believes that the “science is settled” or that “the debate is over.” Scientists and others that say this seem to want to advance a particular agenda. There is nothing more detrimental to public trust than such statements.
Where are the scientists who publicize Al Gore’s mistakes? Where are the scientists who condemn the anti-scientific behavior of the team? Where are the scientists who point out that the IPCC work is only one side of the story. Where are the scientists who tell the politicians and media to slow down and stop the alarmism?
No trust can be rebuilt until the guilty show remorse, say they are sorry, and say they were wrong. Judith, would you like to start?
So far, it just looks like Judith is playing good cop to Gavin’s bad cop.
People who claim to be scientists but refuse to release their data and/or their methodology are not scientists, do not practice science and all claims and results made by these people should be totally rejected by everyone. Especially the Dr. Curry’s of the world.
And if the Dr. Curry’s of this world continue the silent policy to aide an abet the non-scientists, putting peer solidarity and pleasant relations with “colleagues” ahead of good scientific method, when they refuse to loudly call “Bullshit” when non-science is foisted on the public and $Trillions of dollars in public policy are in the line, then they can’t complain when they and their credibility will go down with the AGW Ponzi scheme fraud ship.
Do the right thing Dr. Curry . . . . time to call out the fraudsters who don’t practice science. Silence is collusion.
Your reputation is on the line. Their is zero room for “trust” in science.
“Debating science with skeptics should be the spice of academic life, but many climate researchers lost this somehow by mistakenly thinking that skeptical arguments would diminish the public trust in the message coming from the climate research establishment.”
I think this whole sentence sums up whats wrong. It’s written as if the skeptics are non-scientific, its also completely Ass-backwards. A scientist shouldn’t debate science with sceptics, a scientist should be defending a scientific theory or position to logically test its applicability or premises.
For example, as has been pointed out so many times..the raw data is crap, Scientists should be publishing the raw data and their conversion algorithms and effectively be saying “if anyones got a better way of fitting this we’d like to hear it”, not “We took some data you can’t see, applied magic to it and hey presto it supports our position”
First, I have to say that I admire Judith Curry greatly. She is one of the very, very few mainstream climate scientists to enter into a public dialogue about these issues. I salute her for it.
Next, as is often my wont in trying to understand a long and complex discussion, I made my own digest of what Judith is saying. To do so, I condense each paragraph into one or a few sentences. Here is that digest:
1 I am trying an experiment by posting on various blogs
2 Losing the Public’s Trust
2.1 Climategate has broadened to become a crisis of trust in climate science in general.
2.2 Credibility is a combination of expertise and trust. Trust in the IPCC is faltering.
2.3 The scientists in the CRU emails blame their actions on “malicious interference”.
2.4 Institutions like the IPCC need to ask how they enabled this situation.
2.5 Core research values have been compromised by warring against the skeptics.
2.6 Climategate won’t go away until all this is resolved.
3 The Changing Nature of Skepticism about Global Warming
3.1 Skepticism has changed over time.
3.2 First it was a minor war between advocacy groups. Then, a “monolithic climate denial machine” was born. This was funded by the oil industry.
3.3 Because of the IPCC reports, funding for contrary views died up. It was replaced by climate auditors. The “climate change establishment” didn’t understand this and kept blaming the “denial machine”.
4 Climate Auditors and the Blogosphere.
4.1 Steve McIntyre’s auditing became popular and led to blogs like WUWT.
4.2 Auditors are independent, technically educated people mostly outside of academia. They mostly audit rather than write scientific papers.
4.3 The FOIA requests were motivated by people concerned about having the same people who created the dataset using the dataset in their models.
4.4 The mainstream climate researchers don’t like the auditors because Steve McIntyre is their arch-nemesis, so they tried to prevent auditors publishing in the journals. [gotta confess I couldn’t follow the logic in this paragraph]
4.5 The auditors succeeded in bringing the climate establishment to its knees because people trusted the auditors.
5 Towards Rebuilding Trust
5.1 Ralph Cicerone’s says that two aspects need attention, the general practice of science and the personal behaviours of scientists. Investigations are being conducted.
5.2 Climate science has not adapted to being high profile. How scientists engage with the public is inadequately discussed. The result is reflexive support for IPCC and its related policies.
5.3 The public and policy makers don’t understand the truth as presented by the IPCC. More efficient strategies can be devised by recognizing that we are dealing with two groups: educated people, and the general public. To rebuild trust scientists need to discuss uncertainty. [“truth as presented by the IPCC? say what?]
5.4 The blogosphere can be a powerful tool for increasing credibility of climate research. The climate researchers at realclimate were the pioneers in this. More scientists should participate in these debates.
5.5 No one believes that the science is settled. Scientists and others say that the science is settled. This is detrimental to public trust.
5.6 I hope this experiment will demonstrate how the blogosphere can rebuild trust.
Having made such a digest, my next step is to try to condense it into an “elevator speech”. This is a very short statement of the essential principles of an idea. My elevator speech of Judith’s post would be this.
OK, now what’s wrong with this picture?
The biggest problem is in one of the core ideas. This is the claim that the problem is that climate scientists have not understood how to present their ideas to the public. Judith, I respect you greatly, but you have grabbed the wrong end of the stick. The problem is not how climate scientists have publicly presented their scientific results.
The problem is that 71.3% of what passes as peer reviewed science is simply junk science, as false as the percentage cited in this statement. In other words, the lack of trust is not a problem of perception. It is a problem of lack of substance. Results are routinely exaggerated. “Scientific papers” are larded with “may” and “might” and “could possibly”. Advocacy is a common thread in scientific papers. Codes and data are routinely concealed. A concerted effort is made to marginalize and censor opposing views.
And most disturbing, for years you and the other climate scientists have not said a word about this disgraceful situation. When Michael Mann had to be hauled in front of a congressional committee to force him to follow the simplest of scientific requirements, transparency, you guys were all wailing about how this was a huge insult to him. An insult to Mann? Get real. Mann is an insult to climate science, and you, Judith, didn’t say one word in public about that. Not that I’m singling you out. No one else stood up for climate science either. It turned my stomach to see the craven cowering of mainstream climate scientists.
The solution to that is not, as you suggest, to give scientists a wider voice or educate them in how to present their garbage to a wider audience.
The solution is for you to stop trying to pass off garbage as science. The solution is for you establishment climate scientists to police your own back yard. When Climategate broke, there was widespread outrage … well, widespread everywhere except in the climate science establishment. Other than a few lone voices, the silence was deafening. And you wonder why we don’t trust you? Because a whole bunch of you are guilty of scientific malfeasance, and the rest of you are complicit in the guilt by your silence.
And you still don’t seem to get it. You approvingly quote Ralph Cicerone about the importance of transparency … Cicerone?? That’s a sick joke.
You don’t get it. You think people made the FOI requests because we were concerned that the people who made the datasets were the people using them in the models. As the person who made the first FOI request to CRU, I assure you that is not true. I made the request to CRU because I was disgusted with Phil Jone’s reply to Warwick Hughes request for data. Jones famously said:
When I heard that, I was astounded. I thought, “Well, he’s gonna get his hand slapped hard by real scientists for that kind of anti-scientific statements”. So I waited for some mainstream climate scientist to speak out against that kind of scientific malfeasance … and waited … and waited. In fact, I’m still waiting. I registered my protest against this bastardisation of science by filing an FOI. When is one of you mainstream climate scientist going to speak out against this kind of malfeasance? It’s not too late to condemn what Jones said, he’s still in the news and pretending to be a scientist, when is someone going to take a principled stand?
But nobody wants to do that. Instead, you want to explain how trust has been broken, and figure out more effective communication strategies to repair the trust. You want a more effective strategy? Here’s one. Ask every climate scientist to grow a pair of huevos and get outraged in public about the abysmal practices of far, far too many mainstream climate scientists. Because the public is assuredly outraged, and you are all assuredly silent … and that is extremely damaging to you.
A perfect example is you saying above:
For you to say this without also expressing grave concern about realclimate’s ruthless censorship of every opposing view is more of the same conspiracy of silence. Debate is not “alive and well” at realclimate as you say, that’s a crock. Realclimate continues to have an undeserved reputation that it is a scientific blog because you and other mainstream climate scientists are unwilling to bust them for their egregious flouting of scientific norms. When you stay silent about censorship like that, Judith, people will not trust you, nor should they. You have shown by your actions that you are perfectly OK with censoring opposing scientific views.
The key to restoring trust has nothing to do with communication. Steve McIntyre doesn’t inspire trust because he is a good communicator. He inspires trust because he follows the age-old practices of science — transparency and openness and honest reporting of results.
And until mainstream climate science follows his lead, I’ll let you in on a secret — I don’t want trust in climate science to be restored. I don’t want you learning better ways to propagandize for shoddy science. I don’t want you to figure out how to better inspire trust by hiding your unethical practices in new and innovative ways. I don’t want scientists learning to use clever words and communication tricks to get people to think that the wound is healed until it is actually healed. I don’t want you to use the blogosphere to spread your pernicious unsupported unscientific alarmism.
You think this is a problem of image, that climate science has a bad image. It is nothing of the sort. It is a problem of scientific malfeasance and complicity by silence. The public, it turns out, has a much better bullsh*t detector than the mainstream climate scientists do … or at least we’re willing to say so in public, while y’all cower in your holes with your heads down and never, never, never say a bad word about some other scientist’s bogus claims and wrong actions.
You want trust? Do good science, and publicly insist that other climate scientists do good science as well. It’s that simple. Do good science, and publicly call out the Manns and the Joneses and the Thompsons and the rest of the charlatans that you are currently protecting.
Once that is done, the rest will fall in line. And until then, I’m overjoyed that people don’t trust you. I see the lack of trust in mainstream climate science as a huge triumph for real science. Fix it by doing good science and by cleaning up your own backyard. Anything else is a coverup.
Judith, again, my congratulations on being willing to post your ideas in public. You are rara avis, and I respect you greatly for it.
w.
PS – a “monolithic climate denial machine”?? Puhleease, Judith, you’re talking to us folks who were there on the ground fighting the battle. Save that farrago for people who weren’t there, those who don’t know how it went down.
She keep metioning how the ‘oil money’ funded the skeptics (and hints that it may still do).
No mention however of the gravy train that the warmists are on.
I will say she has started a process to heal the rift between skeptics and AGWers, so I give her kudos for that.
But I think she is still missing a big piece of the puzzle. The enemies of the AGW crowd is not the skeptics, it is their own myopia. They are ignoring the paradigm shift, and as we have seen, are losing the battle. Until they quit trying to control the uncontrollable, they will always lose. Truth is harder to supress these days.
I want to salute Dr. Curry for this essay. I do not think she used the term “denier” improperly in any location, she only used it to describe the opinions of the alarmists toward skeptics, she did use “skeptic” in the narrative portions.
I am very happy to she she has embraced the blogosphere as a legitimate forum for scientific debate and progress, as another place where on-the-fly peer-review can happen, and acknowledged that the science is most definitely not settled, properly labelling those who claim such as ‘advocates’.
Yes? (is that all?)
Felt that I helped write this and had to sit through a rehersal before she went off on a road trip to deliver it to the various “Professional Associations” and College/University Departments involved in the debacle.
OK Professor, time to take it on the road.
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Distrust of Science? No. Distrust of Scientists? No.
Distrust of “science” and “scientists” out to feather their own nests? Yes.
Distrust of politicians and investors out to feather their own nests? Yes.
Distrust of Senators, and Representatives, and Presidents who aren’t smart enough to get people back to work, but who want to fix the world’s climate instead? You bet!
Joe the Plumber may be a little stupid sometimes, but he ain’t dumb!
When the words global warming were replaced with the words climate change
I think that there is still a long way to go on this debate.
Of course the climate changes all the time I don’t think anyone will argue. But man made global warming come on.
It is like the politicians want a massive tax on a non problem. Why. As my father in law said ‘Follow the money’ the money generated will be in the trillions. That is why they want this.
Ask Al Gore really does he believe in global warming and his response will be that he believes in the money generated he is now a billionaire because of his scare campaign.
If he and the warmists truly believed in global warming they don’t need government legislation to act.
Start taking action.
1. Stop using electricity
2. Dont buy any exports
If the warmist people really believe in there convictions they would at least do these actions. ACTION SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS
The RUDD population boom could be another problem as people exhale 4-5percent of Co2. So direct action would be do not allow any immigrants into Australia.
The Gorgan project could be another problem as we are going to sell gas to China. Direct action would be to stop all energy exports.
Tourism could be another problem. Direct action would be to stop of tourism.
So start to do your little bit you can take direct action.
STOP USING ELECTRICITY.
If warmists do not take personal action then they really dont believe in global warming at all.
I agree with Dave L. (8:16) concerning the comment on the “janitorial work” of record keeping. Keeping accurate records is essential for any work to be accepted, whether it is climate studies, drug studies or accounting, which is my line of work.
I was also dismayed reading reports of the sloppy writing and documentation of the computer programs that were used to analyze the data.
GIGO – garbage in, garbage out.
Judith Curry isn’t even past first base. Science (and certainly disciplines involved in climate science) is largely paid for by governments. In Europe particularly, academia has become fully integrated into the policy development process. The flow of funds is almost entirely dependent on researchers taking political directions and then responding to politically motivated policy requirements.
As such, academia has become part of the political establishment, with more influence on policy (and the shape of legislation) than our own legislators. Researchers cannot, therefore, expect to stay above the fray and not be treated as the political players that they have become. See:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/02/working-for-enemy.html
Good. This letter is yet another indication that we, the ‘DENIERS’ that CAGW is happening, are winning not just the battle, but the war! We must continue using the same strategy to ensure that the swing in public opinion against CAGW continues.
After I read the twisted view of reality which Dr. Judith Curry indicates by her letter, it saddened me that Universities seem no longer capable of producing scientists with a thirst for truth and the ability to view with scepticism the dogma of their chosen speciality and question it’s factual basis.
Science isn’t about trust in authority, the consensus approach, force-fitting observation to reality (this is the area of belief and religion and cow-towing to the words of it’s prophets). So I have no wish to enter into a debate with these believers in what has become the pseudo-science Cargo Cult of CAGW. It is a fruitless exercise as anyone unfortunate enough to have opened up their front door to a couple of well intentioned Jehovah’s Witnesses, and spent the next couple of hours trying to teach them critical thinking, can well understand!
Science is about hard facts, data with error bars and theories that can accurately predict future events. Current climatology has failed to do this on all counts and will return to the backwaters from whence it emerged in the 60’s.
Weather/climate are the result of a large, highly complex set of interlinked systems which are driven by quasi-cyclic deterministic chaos. Until the proper tools are developed to understand such systems climatology will not make any progress and accurate forecasting of future climate outcomes will remain in the realms of astrology.
I have also lost trust in the objectives of the UN, Politicians, the MSM, the World Bank and many other large institutions. All of which seem to have forgotten that the freedom of the individual is of paramount importance and, instead, want to persuade us that an elitist world government is the only way to save mankind.
Many thanks for posting this Anthony, it’s cheered me up no end 🙂
P Walker (12:20:55) :
I second Paul Hildebrandt ’s post (10:28:03) . Someone above called Dr. Curry’s essay an olive branch , but I suspect it might be a Trojan Horse>>
The enemy is surrounded, and they have run out of ammunition. They have sent out a very nice lady with a white flag. She is charming and eloquent. She says they never meant to start a war, it was all a misunderstanding because we are un-educated. But they agree to stop shooting at us if we will just let them go home now, taking their weapons with them, and they’d like a small loan for more ammunition as part of the cease fire.
Trojan Horse indeed.
I take issue early in this essay – Dr. Curry, in multiple places, talks about the science being done, and that those doing this “science” were excluding skeptics. However, by definition then, no science was actually being done.
True science, at a fundamental level, requires falsifiability, and the ability for critics to replicate the work. Since Dr. Curry admits that this was not being done, the term “science” cannot be applied to what was taking place at UEA, the IPCC, Penn State, and other institutions.
If Dr. Curry continues to use the word “denier”, then she should be equally as open to a new semantic defining what these nominal “scientists” actually are: “advocacy hacks”.
Having been brought up in a strongly pro-trades union, left-wing, family I learned many years ago that the appropriate default position, when faced by the usual “liberal” mantra of “we know best and it’s for your own good,” is to distrust both the messenger and the message. That is a position I have held almost all of my 70 years and I have had no cause, ever, to reconsider that approach.
This Dr Curry seems to be just another part of the self-styled “liberal elite” and as such both she and her message are distrusted.
I happy to be called a climate change cynic now…
Sceptic I could live with..
Deniar was appalling, and ultimately did the MOST harm to the AGW advocates..
It fired me up, that and
Gordon Brown’s ‘Flat earther’
and particulary
Ed Millibands ‘ climate sabatouer’ (very scary terrorist insinuations)
It got to the point that it was so counter productive for them , but they had the arrogance, and had such an easy ride by the media, they thought they could get away with it forever…
Ultimate turning point for me, was the copenhagen opening video that made my 5 year old cry.
Shown repeatedly, and UNCRITICALLY, by the BBC and all the other tv media…
The bit where the tidal wave engulfs the land, and a small child..
By daughter STILL worries about that child..
I have a friend that worked for the IPCC, and last week she said it is still only 59 cm by 2100.
At the time I worked out the rate of that tidal wave.
0.000000007 km/h
PROPOGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My friend was an editor on the IPCC synthesis reports, and contributed to working group 1. She is a genuine, caring trust worthy person.
Knows the people involved well, and is very much still involved in the business/pr of ‘climate change’
She has a huge disconnect with the politics.
I think the scientists involved have a DUTY to stand up and say that the propaganda like the above is WRONG.
When climategate first happened, I asked if it had been a busy week, said things look a bit bad.. She directed me to Real climate.
I haven’t discussed the issue for the last 3 months.
She has her OWN climategate emails, signed kyoto consensus, the one Tom wigley condemmed as reprehensible, signed the met office round robin.
Job is partly to advice big business on ‘climate change’
But this is where the disconnect is..
She has NOT even LOOKED at ANY of foia2009.zip.
genuine surprise at having a climategate email. Has NOT seen, looked at Harry_read_me.txt, life with colleagues has just carried on, in their world it has all blown over.
Despite, allegations of total fraud, so convinced of the science’ has not looked at climategate leak….
HUGE disconnect from the many scientists involved (not the Mann’s, Jones of the situation) but the vast numbers of phd’s etc, working in AGW. Looking at their own miniscule bit of research, agw effect on climate and wheather in north wales, or the effect on breeding birds migrations patterns in latvia, etc,etc,etc
That is where a big problem is:
So much research depends on the assumption of AGW as a basis for everything else. It has just turned into a colossal groupthink..
No Scam, NO con, no conspiracy here..
Just a mass delusion (try reading the madness of crowds)
If you ever wondered why people inthe historic past were so stupid, or that we are somehow superior to those people that got caught up in the ‘Tulip Craze’ or the ‘South Sea Bubble’.
Well think again, in hundred years or 2, people will look back and wonder at how the AGW delusion happened.
Dr Curry, an enjoyable read. One thing you do need to understand about the blogosphere- the old children’s rhyme applies- “Sticks and stones may break my bones but names can never hurt me.”
Whether I’m called a denier, a sceptic, an auditor- whatever- it doesn’t worry me at all- I will keep checking the data myself, and keep reading what others have dug up. Because I’ve found you most certainly can not trust the “experts”. In the words of the late Don Chipp when he set up the now defunct Australian Democrats, we’re here to “keep the bastards honest.”
I’ve not read all 334 (at the time of posting) responses.
But here’s my view.
“demonstrating that the perceived misbehavior of even a few scientists can diminish the credibility of science as a whole.”
Perceived misbehaviour?
Shouldn’t that read “Demonstrable misrepresentation & perversion of science, organised “hate campaigns” and inciting the perversion of justice” ?
“However, there is nothing in this crazy environment that is worth sacrificing your personal or professional integrity”
Insert “apart from money to fund departments and trips to nice, warm places and being able to strut your stuff amongst the World’s political elite” some where in this sentance?
“Dueling blogs” (e.g. climateprogress.org versus wattsupwiththat.com and realclimate.org versus climateaudit.org) can actually enhance public trust in the science as they see both sides of the arguments being discussed”
I don’t see much evidence of both sides being discussed over at Surreal Climate, it’s their side and most comments to the contrary get snipped or culled (I did see that the blue pencil wasn’t in such use immediately after Climategate blew up, but it does seem to have been taken out of the pencil case again lately)
RC’s presentation of the science isn’t anywhere near as comprehensive as CA’s and Romm’s loathsome ways means I’ve looked at his site a few times and moved rapidly on (Ditto Grant Foster’s echo-chamber of a blog)
“People have heard the alarm, but they remain unconvinced because of a perceived political agenda ”
Perceived again! Is this like I only perceive to see the blobs of grey caused by those clever optical illusions, they aren’t really there and I’m just “seeing things”?
Let’s test my perception.
“CO2 is causing run away global warming, so to ration its use, we’re going to heavily tax anything you do that releases it”
“but few mainstream climate researchers participate in the blogospheric debate. The climate researchers at realclimate.org were the pioneers in this,”
Which is why they censor Steve McIntyre’s name, let alone any comment he makes, never participate in any discussions on his blog and claim that anyone opposing their views is being paid by some slush fund fed by Exxon?
“No one really believes that the “science is settled” or that “the debate is over.” Scientists and others that say this seem to want to advance a particular agenda. There is nothing more detrimental to public trust than such statements.”
Perhaps she’d like to get Al Gore’s, James Hansen’s and the main UK political parties’ comments on this?
Anthony
As one who is encouraged by the growing number of people who distrust Climate Change science, I am stunned by the number of this posting’s responses that take this lady seriously. However, a few of them see and quote the real point of her guest post:
“The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on difficulties of communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public that is referred to as “unscientific America” by Chris Mooney.”
Says it all, really. She is saying that the truth of the IPCC’s conclusions is not even in question! We, poor dumb-arsed people simply don’t understand it because the IPCC lack communication skills! So she appeals to skeptics for more understanding to bridge the gap.
The IPCC’s conclusions are not truths or even approximations. The best of them are wild exaggerations. The worst are are simply false. And AGW, the major position of the IPCC, is utterly unproven. When pressed for the evidence, all we get is argument from ignorance. “We can’t explain it if we discount man-made CO2 from our models, so therefore that’s the cause”.
Climate research can only earn credibility by being scientific. If that happens, then trust will follow. Any attempt to build trust in Climate Research while it remains fundamentally untrustworthy is despicable.
In spite of all those excellent comments, I think there is still something to contribute. That is, when you argue with someone, do not assume that their position is set in stone. As I showed in my second posting on WUWT, I have made some pretty big mistakes in my opinions on things, and at any moment I am trying to sort them out, seeing where I went wrong, to some extent trying to defend my integrity, and trying to see how I can move safely to a better position. I believe that some of the things that Judith Curry said can be understood in terms of such an internal dialogue. A very practical reason for a respectful dialogue is that while it is going on people can work things out privately and do not feel attacked if they don’t change or derided if they do. This has nothing to do with pretending that there are no real criticisms or differences. Of course if the other person ‘disses’ you consistently, then you may decide that a polite withdrawal is the best way. That is how non-violence has worked in politics, when it has been given a chance; and we could use Climategate for bringing it to science.
re: Willis Eschenbach (13:50:31)
Willis,
Masterful. Longwinded, but masterful. As a scientist, academic and citizen, I agree entirely with the content and tone of your discourse.
Cheers.
Romm claims humans cause 80 – 120% of the warming.
How do we make it 20% warmer than it is?
http://climateprogress.org/2009/12/02/realclimate-gavin-schmidit-what-fraction-of-global-warming-is-due-to-human-causes-vs-natural-causes/
Robust eh?
Too much science. In a real lab with a real scientist, the other variables would have to be controlled. They assume H2O is constant.
More robust tornadoes also? Like the GreeNsburg kansas tornado Obama claimed killed 10,000? (actual deaths were 12)
Do human activities cause 120% of the increase in tornados?
How can skeptics like myself accept hurricanes are stronger when they didn’t come around?
Where are the Hurricanes recently? This thread is eye opening.