Are Scientists Always Smart?

Guest post by Steven Goddard

There is no question that some of the greatest minds have been scientists.  Da Vinci, Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Edison, Einstein, Fermi, Feynman are a few names that come to mind.

But how about the consensus?  One of the most famous cases of consensus science gone ridiculous involved the theory of Continental Drift.  In 1912, a German scientist named Alfred Wegener introduced the theory that the continents were not stationary, but rather moved.

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Any child can see that the continents fit together like a jigsaw puzzle, yet the scientific community took over 50 years to stop ridiculing Wegener and accept his theory.

“Utter, damned rot!” said the president of the prestigious American Philosophical Society.

Anyone who “valued his reputation for scientific sanity” would never dare support such a theory, said a British geologist.

“If we are to believe in Wegener’s hypothesis we must forget everything which has been learned in the past 70 years and start all over again.” Geologist R. Thomas Chamberlain

further discussion of it merely incumbers the literature and befogs the mind of fellow students.”    Geologist Barry Willis

Sound familiar?

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Several earlier scientists had also observed the obvious – from Wikipedia :

Abraham Ortelius (1597), Francis Bacon (1625), Benjamin Franklin, Antonio Snider-Pellegrini (1858), and others had noted earlier that the shapes of continents on opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean (most notably, Africa and South America) seem to fit together. W. J. Kious described Ortelius’ thoughts in this way:[1]

Abraham Ortelius in his work Thesaurus Geographicus … suggested that the Americas were “torn away from Europe and Africa … by earthquakes and floods” and went on to say: “The vestiges of the rupture reveal themselves, if someone brings forward a map of the world and considers carefully the coasts of the three [continents].

Not only do the continents fit together, but Wegener observed that their geology matched.

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And the fossils match.

. Wegener-Continental Drift-Fossils

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We see a parallel to global warming.  The earth is not warming out of control.  Sea level is not rising out of control.  The Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets are not collapsing.  The IPCC documents have been shown to be littered with junk science and fraud.  The hockey team has been shown to be misusing their positions.  Yet the consensus hangs on to the ridiculous, for the same reasons they did from 1912 to 1960.  No one wants to “forget what they learned and start over again.”

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Pamela Gray
February 13, 2010 12:03 pm

Many other examples of scientific consensus that were tightly clad with an impenetrable scientific exterior designed exclusively for those that would disagree:
The various syndromes of the Autism spectrum (eventually broken by the very mothers accused of being cold)
Schizophrenia (not caused by the devil, child abuse or trauma)
Organic Brain Dysfunction, now known as various forms of processing deficits that can easily be seen with brain scans while performing visual symbol based reading tasks or calculations.
Stuttering, once an emotional deficit, now has strong genetic links.
Red Hair, once thought to be an inherited color, is now understood to be a malfunctioning melatonin gene.

Steve Goddard
February 13, 2010 12:07 pm

Engineering denial at the Olympics

“The technical officials of the FIL were able to retrace the path of the athlete and concluded there was no indication that the accident was caused by deficiencies in the track.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympic_games/vancouver_2010/luge/8513794.stm
After watching the video of the accident, it is pretty clear that the track design was grossly deficient – the wall wasn’t high enough. I used to be a giant slalom racer, and there is a reason why they don’t line the edges of ski hills with steel beams. Athletes make mistakes and shouldn’t pay with their lives.
Too bad Feynman isn’t around any more. He was instrumental in demonstrating NASA’s negligence in the Challenger explosion.

February 13, 2010 12:08 pm

Are Scientists Always Smart?
They are not half as stupid as they seem when they lie about the obvious:
a.) The inside of the Sun is filled with lightweight elements (H, He) too.
b.) Solar neutrinos from H-fusion oscillate away before reaching detectors.
c.) Hydrogen is fuel for, not a waste product of, the solar engine.
d.) CO2 – not the Sun – controls Earth’s climate.
e.) Neutrons attract each other; Nuclear rest mass data are misleading.
Politics and science are a lethal mix, as will become evident when the public finally realizes that science is now a propaganda tool of world dictator(s).
Regretfully yours,
Oliver K. Manuel
Emeritus Professor of
Nuclear & Space Science
Former NASA PI for Apollo

Pamela Gray
February 13, 2010 12:09 pm

Tom P, let’s talk about water vapor. Are you saying that the infinitismally small % of CO2 we have in the air (0.03% of the stuff that makes up our atmosphere) of which only 14% of that is man-made CO2 emissions, has caused more water vapor? Or has just heated it up more than normal? And let’s be clear that we are talking only about the 14% of the 0.03% number and the small increase we have seen in that 14% because of increased emissions. I want you to explain to me your understanding of how this tiny, tiny % increase of man-made emissions causes AGW, and if you consider this warming to be significant (as in outside the error bars).

Roger Knights
February 13, 2010 12:26 pm

John Whitman (01:17:05) :
Roger Bacon, 1214 to1292
Dark Ages, ~5th Century (~400s AD) to ~ late 11th Century ( ~late 1200s)

The late 1200s are the late 13th century, not 11th.

Pascvaks (06:30:02) :
You reap what you sew.

Shouldn’t that be, “You rip what you sew.”?

February 13, 2010 12:34 pm

Man, I am enjoying reading the posts on this site! Most contributors are lucid, bright, rational. And most share the view that the AGW hypothesis is a busted flush (yeah, yeah, I know that concensus isn’t decisive including this one).
Since I began weighing the arguments, and tracking them to their sources, I have reached the following conclusions:
1. It’s “neoapocalypticism” – just the latest scare story in a series going back millennia. Deluges; reds-under-the-bed; barbarians-at-the-gates; ghouls and devils; UFOs – we’ve been here before. Fear must be a basic human need.
2. The debate is political/religious in nature – not scientific. To question the AGW dogma is cursed as heresy; the public, unable to think for themselves, defer to a prophet (Gore) and chief priests (Jones, Mann et al.). TRUE science is falsifiable – that is, hypotheses are subject to being demolished by contrary data.
3. Gravy Train: To paraphrase Churchill, never in the field of human science was so much moolah paid to so many bent scientists for so little truth. In the hacked Climategate e-mails, did anybody catch the Russkies asking for East Anglia’s research money “to my personal account to avoid paying tax”?
4. Politicians: more wrong than evil. You can hardly blame our governments for taking advice from their official scientific advisers. In Britain we have strangelovian nutjobs advising the Prime Minister.
5. Watermelons. (Green on the outside, red on the inside.) The selfsame people who used to yell about smashing the wicked capitalist system have dusted off their megaphones and mutated into hard line eco-warriors. The BBC Radio 4 recently broadcast a hilarious piece entitled “Living With Four Degrees”. There were AI’s explaining that the roads would melt, and the coasts evacuated. (Oh, sorry, AI = articulate idiot.)
It’s now looking like we good guys are winning, and the scaremongerers discredited. Now I hope that public opinion will force our governments to derail the gravy train.

Roger Knights
February 13, 2010 12:34 pm

: TYPO (?): Change to “without” in:

You can’t increase the amount of honey in the jar with inserting some from outside the jar.

Paddy
February 13, 2010 12:41 pm

Thomas Sowell, eminent scholar and philosopher, latest treatise is “Intellectuals and Society” (Basic Books 2009). In the introductory chapter, Dr Sowell defines and distinguishes between intelligence and intellect as follows:
“The capacity to grasp and manipulate complex ideas is enough to define intellect and of reason itself, but not enough to encompass intelligence, which involves combining intellect with judgment and care in selecting relevant explanatory factors and in establishing empirical tests of any theory that emerges. Intelligence minus judgment equals intellect. Wisdom is the rarest quality of all — the ability to combine intellect, knowledge, experience, and judgment in a way to produce coherent understanding. Wisdom is the fulfillment of the ancient admonition, With all you’re getting, get understanding.” Wisdom requires self-discipline and an understanding of the realities of the world, including the limitations of one’s own experience and of reason itself. The opposite of intellect is dullness or slowness, but the opposite of wisdom is foolishness, which is far more dangerous.”
“George Orwell said that some ideas are so foolish that only an intellectual could believe them, for no ordinary man can be such a fool. The record of twentieth century intellectuals was especially appalling in this regard. Scarcely a mass-murdering dictator in the twentieth century was without his intellectual supporters, not simply in his own country, but also in foreign democracies, where people were free to say whatever they wished. Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler all had their admirers, defenders, and apologists among the intelligentsia in Western democratic nations, despite the fact that these dictators each ended up killing people of their own country on a scale unprecedented even by despotic regimes that preceded them.”
Irrespective of brilliance, persons who lack experience, common sense or judgment invariably satisfy the qualifications to be “foolish.” This seems to be a common trait of too many modern scientists. When they lack ethics too, the outcome is corrupt science along with all of its unacceptable accouterments.

davidmhoffer
February 13, 2010 12:47 pm

Roger Knights (12:34:04) :
: TYPO (?): Change to “without” in:
You can’t increase the amount of honey in the jar with inserting some from outside the jar>
OOPS. Yes thats what I meant.

vigilantfish
February 13, 2010 12:47 pm

John Whitman:
Your ages of science is missing the Medieval period; the Dark Ages ran from 450- 950 A.D. and the Medieval Period lasted from 950 to 1350 A.D. The Dark Ages were a period of fertile technological development in Europe, in which Chinese, Roman and Arab and older technologies were adapted and changed to produce a new society that was economically based on the use of artificial power from wind and water mills, especially the vertical water mills (the latter a 1st century Roman invention, that was not widely used in the Roman era for fear of displacing slave labour and leading to idle workers). You do not see the adoption of energy dependent technologies to such a high degree in China or the Middle East prior to this development in Europe, partly because irrigation and navigation were held to be more important uses of streams and rivers in these regions.
Because European population fell so dramatically in the Dark Ages due to various iterations of plague, and due to constant incursions at different times by barbarians, Mongols and Islamic forces, Europeans in the Dark Ages were focussed mostly on survival; standards of living fell massively in the 5th century. This was not conducive to scientific inquiry.
While the Roman Catholic church was focussed on the afterlife and did not encourage science, astronomy and medicine remained important disciplines, and ‘scientists’ other than Roger Bacon -all of them clergy – were involved in theoretical queries as well as practical astronomy (needed for horoscopes and setting church calendar dates). The problems that engaged them included trying to understand the nature of motion, the question of what lies outside of the universe and what is the motion of the universe, and what the heavens were made of; at the University of Bologna, human dissection (cadavers) was introduced in medical teaching in the 12th century (1100s) for the first time since it was briefly allowed during the Hellenistic period in Ancient Alexandra. An excellent source for building up your knowledge of science in this period is: The Beginnings of Western Science: The European Scientific Tradition in Philosophical, Religious, and Institutional Context, Prehistory to A.D. 1450 by David C. Lindberg.

vigilantfish
February 13, 2010 1:02 pm

Tom P.
Aristotle worked from first principles, too. I’ve often through that AGW “science” resembled nothing so much as Aristotle’s belief that heavier objects fall faster than light ones. It makes sense, no? Arrhenius worked from first principles in a linear system with no variables. Surely the complexities of a chaotic climate system cannot be reduced to letting the insights of a 19th century scientist have the last word?

Dave Wendt
February 13, 2010 1:12 pm

scienceofdoom (01:44:18) :
George Turner (21:59:27) :
You cite measurements of downward radiation. Were those measurements taken during the day or at night? Your link doesn’t say, and the answer is extremely critical to your argument.
-This was from the article CO2 – An Insignificant Trace Gas? Part Six – Visualization.
It’s nice to see someone else referencing the Evans and Puckrin paper. I first came across it quite some time ago and have tried to raise it for discussion in several comment threads over the last year, without much success. Most people can’t seem to get past the authors attempts to screw themselves into the floor trying to put an AGW spin on measurements that actually seem to offer the best contradiction of the AGW hypothesis that I’ve seen.
Although they did detect an increase in downwelling longwave radiation attributable to CO2, their measurements suggest that almost all of it occurred in the cold dry air of the Canadian winter, which I would think most Canadians would not see as a bad thing. Living in Minnesota myself, I know that I don’t. The model they used to construct their profile of DLW for the preindustrial past seems to do a fairly accurate job for most of the nonH2O greenhouse gases, but can’t come within the broad side of a barn for H2O. The variations in the H2O contribution, both seasonal and interannual, dwarf not only the incremental changes in all the others, but their overall contribution as well. In fact for the winter which showed the greatest increase in DLW from CO2, the total DLW was below their preindustrial model because the H2O element was over estimated by more than 5 times the increase from CO2. In the warm moist air of summer the CO2 contribution is almost completely suppressed [less than 4% of the total] which would seem to indicate that in Tropical and Subtropical latitudes where temps and humidity are generally higher than Canadian summers year round CO2’s contribution to the greenhouse effect is negligible, if not in total at least in any incremental change.
What I’ve found most interesting is that this experimental technique would seem to offer a clear path to quantifying once and for all the contributions of the various atmospheric gases to greenhouse warming, yet having done several fairly deep Google rummages over the last year, I haven’t come across any efforts to broadly replicate this work, which was done over a decade ago. Evidently no one has been willing to come up with the grant money to fund such a project. I wonder why that is?

Bohemond
February 13, 2010 1:16 pm

“As far as I am aware the only “amazingly bizarre theory” ever adopted en masse on short notice in the history of science was the AGW hypothesis. I suspect this was due to the immature nature of the scientific evidence involved combined with various cultural and sociopolitical impetuses, (environmental millenarianism and collectivism) which distorted the usual plodding nature of scientific progress.”
Perhaps because for the first time in an area of significant public/political interest, proponents have succeeded in dressing up soft science in the trappings of hard science. AGW pretends to be about physics, when in fact it is about statistical analysis: little different from sociology and just as vulnerable to spin and skew.

Bart
February 13, 2010 1:24 pm
David
February 13, 2010 1:45 pm

They say that there are three types of mind:
First rate minds are interested in ideas;
Second raters are interested in facts and events;
Third raters are interested in other people.
I have often observed people who are very good at quizzes and puzzles give *amazingly* fast responses to questions. I have also noticed that in the workplace, such people make binary decisions about real world problems very quickly – which embarrasses me, because I’m still trying to unpick the knots and tease apart the dense wool in my brain, and to come up with some sort of ‘fuzzy’ multi-dimensional boundary, never mind a razor sharp binary decision. What I also notice is that, over time, their decisions are shown to be wrong or, at the very least, simplistic, but they don’t understand why. By then, it is too late to go back and take a more considered view, so they are stuck with trying to work with their flawed decision.
I wonder if many scientists are just ‘second raters’ who appear very intelligent because of their lightning fast, but over-simplistic, brains..?

Tor
February 13, 2010 2:03 pm

I don’t think we can easily dismiss the IPCC as being stupid. Sure, the majority of scientists can be wrong on an issue, but mostly they are not.
But I do think there are reasons why we shouldn’t be over-pessimistic about global warming: http://howisearth.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/geoengineering-climate-change/

derek
February 13, 2010 2:08 pm

Mooloo i think you are missing the point of the blog.

derek
February 13, 2010 2:21 pm

Filipe (02:10:23) :
There were good reasons to reject Wegener’s work. How could any one accept tidal forces making continents plough through the oceans? There were two things missing from Wegener’s work: measures of relative continental motion and a plausible mechanism. Having to deal with creationists and a few crackpots over this same issue I’m very disappointed to see this in this blog. This is a very bad post.
So wegner being proved correct means nothing to you?

Sleepalot
February 13, 2010 2:30 pm

My first post:
Mooloo said:”If you want to prove AGW is wrong, then you need to prove AGW is wrong. Nothing else will do.”
Which is simple enough to understand, and quite obviously true, and clearly says precisely NOTHING about the BURDEN of proof. Yet …
CodeTech: ““WE” don’t have to prove anything.”
Jack: “it is the warmists who have to prove AGW right”
Kaboom: “No, you are wrong. It is up to the proponents of the hypothesis to prove it, not for rationalists to disprove same.”
John Egan: “The obligation of proof lies, not with those who are skeptics…”
David L Hagen: “The burden of proof is on those proposing the novel model.”
Wes George: “Nor was Mr. Goddard offering evidence to falsify the AGW hypothesis.”
… six people miss that simple point, with varying levels of abuse. Getting a bit over-excited, guys, aren’t you?
WE (skeptics) do not have the burden of proof wrt AGW, BUT,…
… IF …
you want to prove AGW is wrong, then you need to prove AGW is wrong.
Nothing else will do.
Get it?

Bryn
February 13, 2010 2:32 pm

I am glad to see that Geoff Sherrington (02:04:26) raised the memory of Professor Warren S Carey. I think the record will show that Carey was one of the earlier scientists to give credence to Wegener’s work. What Geoff does not mention is the sequitur to the concept of drifting continents followed by Carey, which is “an expanding earth”. This was the how he explained so-called subduction, as questioned by Chris Schoneveld (09:33:38).
In his book “Expanding Earth” (1976, Elsevier) he observed that the continents did not fit precisely as suggested by Wegener on a present day-sized earth, but they would fit much better on a smaller diameter globe. Some of his observations and questions stand today, others have been answered or refuted by subsequent investigations.
But memorable (to me) is the statement towards the end of his book: he asks — why does the earth expand? His frank answer was that he did not know, but he stood by his empiricism.
The idea of an expanding earth is now a generally rejected hypothesis, but … is the current paradigm of continental drift another consensus science?

CRS, Dr.P.H.
February 13, 2010 2:48 pm

Apparently, some scientists are smarter than others!
Interesting article in The Telegraph, title “World may not be warming, say scientists”.
It briefly mentions Christy and Watts (I was going to post this in the UAH thread, but it was getting rather contentious in there, so thank you for shutting it down, Anthony!)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece

February 13, 2010 3:09 pm

For George Turner:
Commenting on the downward longwave radiation in CO2 – An Insignificant Trace Gas? Part Six – Visualization, George wrote:

..More than half of what we receive from the sun is already in the IR, so a daytime measurement is just measuring spectral lines by shining a light source through a gas. Anyone could do that in a lab with just air. The energy measured is just solar energy..

There’s an interesting fact about radiation that everyone should know – to do with Planck’s blackbody radiation theory..
Solar radiation has its peak at 0.5um wavelength and 99% of its energy is below 4um in wavelength.
Terrestrial radiation – that emitted up from the surface of the earth – has its peak around 10um and 99.9% of this radiation is above 4um in wavelength.
You can see this graphically at CO2 – An Insignificant Trace Gas? Part One
Therefore, it is very easy to distinguish energy radiated from the sun from energy radiated from the earth.
And if we were to look specifically at the proportion of solar energy above 14um (e.g. for CO2), it is 0.02%.
This is why downwards longwave radiation at the earth’s surface demonstrates the absorption and re-emission of the earth’s radiation by “greenhouse” gases including CO2 and CH4.

Tom P
February 13, 2010 3:36 pm

Pamela Gray (12:09:35) :
“I want you to explain to me your understanding of how this tiny, tiny % increase of man-made emissions causes AGW, and if you consider this warming to be significant (as in outside the error bars).”
Humans have produced a 39% increase in CO2 as admitted by Monckton. That’s hardly tiny.
The warming trend we’ve seen, whether measured by ground stations or satellites, is statistically significant at the 95% level.
vigilantfish (13:02:48) :
“Surely the complexities of a chaotic climate system cannot be reduced to letting the insights of a 19th century scientist have the last word?”
Of course not. That is why there has been much work since Arrhenius in better understanding these complexities. But the approach of Arrhenius has a firm underpinning in thermodynamics. To say that an increase in CO2 cannot possibly warm the atmosphere is to reject some basic tenets of physics.

Bruce King
February 13, 2010 3:57 pm

Good provokative subject. In how many areas must a person be to be an
expert? When Einstein was driving around the campus, I read, not a hedge was safe Have often wondered if some of the people acknowledged as genius didn’t
have some weak spots. In other words, if his mind was in the clouds, were his feet touching the ground? I feel sure there were some who would qualify.
ANOTHER OXYMORON: ACADEMIC INTEGRITY- FOR THE WHITEWASH OF DR MICHAEL MANN.

Lichanos
February 13, 2010 4:01 pm

Re: Consensus pro and contra…
This post made my head spin a little because it inverts the arguments of a major AGW advocate, Naomi Oreskes. You may recall her name from the mention it got in Gore’s film: she wrote the article about “research” into the literature, supposedly demonstrating an overwhelming consensus pro AGW.
She happens to be a historian of science, with a background in geoglogy – mining, in fact. I believe she wrote a book, or maybe her dissertation, on the controversy surrounding discussed in this post, the arguments before the theory of plate tectonics became accepted.
What’s a little bizarre is that Mr. Goddard focuses on the the people who resisted the theory when it was new, refusing to abandon their “consensus.” They were dead wrong, the consensus was shown to be bunk.
I would argue that the consensus claimed by the AGW folks doesn’t even exist. There’s a big difference in the two cases: then, people said, “Bunk! The continents don’t move!” And most agreed. Now, the AGW folks say, “CO2 is baking us! We all agree on that!”
Finally, Oreskes, cites the controversy over tectonics in the opposite way from Mr. Goddard! She points to the few who persisted in denying the validity of the plate theory long after most agreed it had been conclusively demonstrated. She classes AGW skeptics with them! For her, the lesson is the rightness of consensus science.
What she fails to note is the vastly different nature of the evidence and logic behind the two positions.
She wrote an entire chapter on this topic, expanding on her famous short article. It’s a very illuminating look into the psyche of AGW proponents. I have reviewed it here: http://iamyouasheisme.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/everywhere-at-home/