I’m honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular “tallbloke” for his facilitation. – Anthony
Guest post by Jerome Ravetz
At the end of January 2010 two distinguished scientific institutions shared headlines with Tony Blair over accusations of the dishonest and possibly illegal manipulation of information. Our ‘Himalayan glaciers melting by 2035’ of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is matched by his ‘dodgy dossier’ of Saddam’s fictitious subversions. We had the violations of the Freedom of Information Act at the University of East Anglia; he has the extraordinary 70-year gag rule on the David Kelly suicide file. There was ‘the debate is over’ on one side, and ‘WMD beyond doubt’ on the other. The parallels are significant and troubling, for on both sides they involve a betrayal of public trust.
Politics will doubtless survive, for it is not a fiduciary institution; but for science the dangers are real. Climategate is particularly significant because it cannot be blamed on the well-known malign influences from outside science, be they greedy corporations or an unscrupulous State. This scandal, and the resulting crisis, was created by people within science who can be presumed to have been acting with the best of intentions. In the event of a serious discrediting of the global-warming claims, public outrage would therefore be directed at the community of science itself, and (from within that community) at its leaders who were either ignorant or complicit until the scandal was blown open. If we are to understand Climategate, and move towards a restoration of trust, we should consider the structural features of the situation that fostered and nurtured the damaging practices. I believe that the ideas of Post-Normal Science (as developed by Silvio Funtowicz and myself) can help our understanding.
There are deep problems of the management of uncertainty in science in the policy domain, that will not be resolved by more elaborate quantification. In the gap between science and policy, the languages, their conventions and their implications are effectively incommensurable. It takes determination and skill for a scientist who is committed to social responsibility, to avoid becoming a ‘stealth advocate’ (in the terms of Roger Pielke Jr.). When the policy domain seems unwilling or unable to recognise plain and urgent truths about a problem, the contradictions between scientific probity and campaigning zeal become acute. It is a perennial problem for all policy-relevant science, and it seems to have happened on a significant scale in the case of climate science. The management of uncertainty and quality in such increasingly common situations is now an urgent task for the governance of science.
We can begin to see what went seriously wrong when we examine what the leading practitioners of this ‘evangelical science’ of global warming (thanks to Angela Wilkinson) took to be the plain and urgent truth in their case. This was not merely that there are signs of exceptional disturbance in the ecosphere due to human influence, nor even that the climate might well be changing more rapidly now than for a very long time. Rather, they propounded, as a proven fact, Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming. There is little room for uncertainty in this thesis; it effectively needs hockey-stick behaviour in all indicators of global temperature, so that it is all due to industrialisation. Its iconic image is the steadily rising graph of CO2 concentrations over the past fifty years at the Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii (with the implicit assumption that CO2 had always previously been at or below that starting level). Since CO2 has long been known to be a greenhouse gas, with scientific theories quantifying its effects, the scientific case for this dangerous trend could seem to be overwhelmingly simple, direct, and conclusive.
In retrospect, we can ask why this particular, really rather extreme view of the prospect, became the official one. It seems that several causes conspired. First, the early opposition to any claim of climate change was only partly scientific; the tactics of the opposing special interests were such as to induce the proponents to adopt a simple, forcefully argued position. Then, once the position was adopted, its proponents became invested in it, and attached to it, in all sorts of ways, institutional and personal. And I suspect that a simplified, even simplistic claim, was more comfortable for these scientists than one where complexity and uncertainty were acknowledged. It is not merely a case of the politicians and public needing a simple, unequivocal message. As Thomas Kuhn described ‘normal science’, which (as he said) nearly all scientists do all the time, it is puzzle-solving within an unquestioned framework or ‘paradigm’. Issues of uncertainty and quality are not prominent in ‘normal’ scientific training, and so they are less easily conceived and managed by its practitioners.
Now, as Kuhn saw, this ‘normal’ science has been enormously successful in enabling our unprecedented understanding and control of the world around us. But his analysis related to the sciences of the laboratory, and by extension the technologies that could reproduce stable and controllable external conditions for their working. Where the systems under study are complicated, complex or poorly understood, that ‘textbook’ style of investigation becomes less, sometimes much less, effective. The near-meltdown of the world’s financial system can be blamed partly on naïvely reductionist economics and misapplied simplistic statistics. The temptation among ‘normal’ scientists is to work as if their material is as simple as in the lab. If nothing else, that is the path to a steady stream of publications, on which a scientific career now so critically depends. The most obvious effect of this style is the proliferation of computer simulations, which give the appearance of solved puzzles even when neither data nor theory provide much support for the precision of their numerical outputs. Under such circumstances, a refined appreciation of uncertainty in results is inhibited, and even awareness of quality of workmanship can be atrophied.
In the course of the development of climate-change science, all sorts of loose ends were left unresolved and sometimes unattended. Even the most fundamental quantitative parameter of all, the forcing factor relating the increase in mean temperature to a doubling of CO2, lies somewhere between 1 and 3 degrees, and is thus uncertain to within a factor of 3. The precision (at about 2%) in the statements of the ‘safe limits’ of CO2 concentration, depending on calculations with this factor, is not easily justified. Also, the predictive power of the global temperature models has been shown to depend more on the ‘story line’ than anything else, the end-of century increase in temperature ranging variously from a modest one degree to a catastrophic six. And the ‘hockey stick’ picture of the past, so crucial for the strict version of the climate change story, has run into increasingly severe problems. As an example, it relied totally on a small set of deeply uncertain tree-ring data for the Medieval period, to refute the historical evidence of a warming then; but it needed to discard that sort of data for recent decades, as they showed a sudden cooling from the 1960’s onwards! In the publication, the recent data from other sources were skilfully blended in so that the change was not obvious; that was the notorious ‘Nature trick’ of the CRU e-mails.
Even worse, for the warming case to have political effect, a mere global average rise in temperature was not compelling enough. So that people could appreciate the dangers, there needed to be predictions of future climate – or even weather – in the various regions of the world. Given the gross uncertainties in even the aggregated models, regional forecasts are really beyond the limits of science. And yet they have been provided, with various degrees of precision. Those announced by the IPCC have become the most explosive.
As all these anomalies and unsolved puzzles emerged, the neat, compelling picture became troubled and even confused. In Kuhn’s analysis, this would be the start of a ‘pre-revolutionary’ phase of normal science. But the political cause had been taken up by powerful advocates, like Al Gore. We found ourselves in another crusading ‘War’, like those on (non-alcoholic) Drugs and ‘Terror’. This new War, on Carbon, was equally simplistic, and equally prone to corruption and failure. Global warming science became the core element of this major worldwide campaign to save the planet. Any weakening of the scientific case would have amounted to a betrayal of the good cause, as well as a disruption of the growing research effort. All critics, even those who were full members of the scientific peer community, had to be derided and dismissed. As we learned from the CRU e-mails, they were not considered to be entitled to the normal courtesies of scientific sharing and debate. Requests for information were stalled, and as one witty blogger has put it, ‘peer review’ was replaced by ‘pal review’.
Even now, the catalogue of unscientific practices revealed in the mainstream media is very small in comparison to what is available on the blogosphere. Details of shoddy science and dirty tricks abound. By the end, the committed inner core were confessing to each other that global temperatures were falling, but it was far too late to change course. The final stage of corruption, cover-up, had taken hold. For the core scientists and the leaders of the scientific communities, as well as for nearly all the liberal media, ‘the debate was over’. Denying Climate Change received the same stigma as denying the Holocaust. Even the trenchant criticisms of the most egregious errors in the IPCC reports were kept ‘confidential’. And then came the e-mails.
We can understand the root cause of Climategate as a case of scientists constrained to attempt to do normal science in a post-normal situation. But climate change had never been a really ‘normal’ science, because the policy implications were always present and strong, even overwhelming. Indeed, if we look at the definition of ‘post-normal science’, we see how well it fits: facts uncertain,values in dispute, stakes high, and decisions urgent. In needing to treat Planet Earth like a textbook exercise, the climate scientists were forced to break the rules of scientific etiquette and ethics, and to play scientific power-politics in a way that inevitably became corrupt. The combination of non-critical ‘normal science’ with anti-critical ‘evangelical science’ was lethal. As in other ‘gate’ scandals, one incident served to pull a thread on a tissue of protective plausibilities and concealments, and eventually led to an unravelling. What was in the e-mails could be largely explained in terms of embattled scientists fighting off malicious interference; but the materials ready and waiting on the blogosphere provided a background, and that is what converted a very minor scandal to a catastrophe.
Consideration of those protective plausibilities can help to explain how the illusions could persist for so long until their sudden collapse. The scientists were all reputable, they published in leading peer-reviewed journals, and their case was itself highly plausible and worthy in a general way. Individual criticisms were, for the public and perhaps even for the broader scientific community, kept isolated and hence muffled and lacking in systematic significance. And who could have imagined that at its core so much of the science was unsound? The plausibility of the whole exercise was, as it were, bootstrapped. I myself was alerted to weaknesses in the case by some caveats in Sir David King’s book The Hot Topic; and I had heard of the hockey-stick affair. But even I was carried along by the bootstrapped plausibility, until the scandal broke. (I have benefited from the joint project on plausibility in science of colleagues in Oxford and at the Arizona State University).
Part of the historic significance of Climategate is that the scandal was so effectively and quickly exposed. Within a mere two months of the first reports in the mainstream media, the key East Anglia scientists and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were discredited. Even if only a fraction of their scientific claims were eventually refuted, their credibility as trustworthy scientists was lost. To explain how it all happened so quickly and decisively, we have the confluence of two developments, one social and the other technical. For the former, there is a lesson of Post-Normal Science, that we call the Extended Peer Community. In traditional ‘normal’ science, the peer community, performing the functions of quality-assurance and governance, is strictly confined to the researchers who share the paradigm. In the case of ‘professional consultancy’, the clients and/or sponsors also participate in governance. We have argued that in the case of Post-Normal Science, the ‘extended peer community’, including all affected by the policy being implemented, must be fully involved. Its particular contribution will depend on the nature of the core scientific problem, and also on the phase of investigation. Detailed technical work is a task for experts, but quality-control on even that work can be done by those with much broader expertise. And on issues like the definition of the problem itself, the selection of personnel, and crucially the ownership of the results, the extended peer community has full rights of participation. This principle is effectively acknowledged in many jurisdictions, and for many policy-related problems. The theory of Post-Normal Science goes beyond the official consensus in recognising ‘extended facts’, that might be local knowledge and values, as well as unoffficially obtained information.
The task of creating and involving the extended peer community (generally known as ‘participation’) has been recognised as difficult, with its own contradictions and pitfalls. It has grown haphazardly, with isolated successes and failures. Hitherto, critics of scientific matters have been relegated to a sort of samizdat world, exchanging private letters or writing books that can easily be ignored (as not being peer-reviewed) by the ruling establishment. This has generally been the fate of even the most distinguished and responsible climate-change critics, up to now. A well-known expert in uncertainty management, Jeroen van der Sluijs, explicitly condemned the ‘overselling of certainty’ and predicted the impending destruction of trust; but he received no more attention than did Nikolas Taleb in warning of the ‘fat tails’ in the probability distributions of securities that led to the Credit Crunch. A prominent climate scientist, Mike Hulme, provided a profound analysis in Why We Disagree About Climate Change, in terms of complexity and uncertainty. But since legitimate disagreement was deemed nonexistent, he too was ignored.
To have a political effect, the ‘extended peers’ of science have traditionally needed to operate largely by means of activist pressure-groups using the media to create public alarm. In this case, since the global warmers had captured the moral high ground, criticism has remained scattered and ineffective, except on the blogosphere. The position of Green activists is especially difficult, even tragic; they have been ‘extended peers’ who were co-opted into the ruling paradigm, which in retrospect can be seen as a decoy or diversion from the real, complex issues of sustainability, as shown by Mike Hulme. Now they must do some very serious re-thinking about their position and their role.
The importance of the new media of communications in mass politics, as in the various ‘rainbow revolutions’ is well attested. To understand how the power-politics of science have changed in the case of Climategate, we can take a story from the book Here Comes Everybody by Clay Shirkey. There were two incidents in the Boston U.S.A. diocese of the Roman Catholic Church, involving the shuffling of paeodophile priests around parishes. The first time, there was a criminal prosecution, with full exposure in the press, and then nothing happened. The second time, the outraged parents got on their cell phones and organised; and eventually Cardinal Archbishop Bernard Francis Law (who had started as a courageous cleric in the ‘60’s) had to leave for Rome in disgrace. The Climategate affair shows the importance of the new IT for science, as an empowerment of the extended peer community.
The well-known principle, ‘knowledge is power’ has its obverse, ‘ignorance is impotence’. And ignorance is maintained, or eventually overcome, by a variety of socio-technical means. With the invention of cheap printing on paper, the Bible could be widely read, and heretics became Reformers. The social activity of science as we know it expanded and grew through the age of printing. But knowledge was never entirely free, and the power-politics of scientific legitimacy remained quite stable for centuries. The practice of science has generally been restricted to a social elite and its occasional recruits, as it requires a prior academic education and a sufficiency of leisure and of material resources. With the new information technology, all that is changing rapidly. As we see from the ‘open source’ movement, many people play an active role in enjoyable technological development in the spare time that their job allows or even encourages. Moreover, all over IT there are blogs that exercise quality control on the industry’s productions. In this new knowledge industry, the workers can be as competent as the technicians and bosses. The new technologies of information enable the diffusion of scientific competence and the sharing of unofficial information, and hence give power to peer communities that are extended far beyond the Ph.D.s in the relevant subject-specialty. The most trenchant and effective critics of the ‘hockey stick’ statistics were a University-employed economist and a computer expert.
Like any other technology, IT is many-faceted. It is easily misused and abused, and much of the content of the blogosphere is trivial or worse. The right-wing political agendas of some climate sceptics, their bloggers and their backers, are quite well known. But to use their background or motivation as an excuse for ignoring their arguments, is a betrayal of science. The blogosphere interacts with other media of communication, in the public and scientific domains. Some parts are quite mainstream, others not. The Climategate blogosphere is as varied in quality as any other. Some leading scholars, like Roger Pielke, Jr. have had personal blogs for a long time. Some blogs are carefully monitored, have a large readership and are sampled by the mainstream media (such as the one on which this is posted, Wattsupwiththat.com). Others are less rigorous; but the same variation in quality can be found in the nominally peer-reviewed scientific literature. Keeping up with the blogosphere requires different skills from keeping up with traditional literature; it is most useful to find a summarising blog that fits one’s special interests, as well as a loyal correspondent, as (in my case) Roger ‘tallbloke’ Tattersall.
Some mainstream publications are now saying nice things about the blogosphere. Had such sentiments been expressed a while ago, the critical voices might have had a public hearing and the Climategate scandal might have been exposed before it became entrenched so disastrously. And now the critical blogosphere does not need to be patronised. Like any extension of political power, whether it be the right to believe, to protest, to vote, to form trades unions, or to be educated, it can lead to instabilities and abuses. But now the extended peer community has a technological base, and the power-politics of science will be different. I cannot predict how it will work out, but we can be confident that corruptions built on bootstrapped plausibility will be less likely in the future.
There is an important philosophical dimension to Climategate, a question of the relation of personal scientific ethics to objective scientific facts. The problem is created by the traditional image of science (as transmitted in scientific education) as ‘value-free’. The personal commitments to integrity, that are necessary for the maintenance of scientific quality, receive no mention in the dominant philosophy of science. Kuhn’s disenchanted picture of science was so troubling to the idealists (as Popper) because in his ‘normal’ science criticism had hardly any role. For Kuhn, even the Mertonian principles of ethical behaviour were effectively dismissed as irrelevant. Was this situation truly ‘normal’ – meaning either average or (worse) appropriate? The examples of shoddy science exposed by the Climategate convey a troubling impression. From the record, it appears that in this case, criticism and a sense of probity needed to be injected into the system by the extended peer community from the (mainly) external blogosphere.
The total assurance of the mainstream scientists in their own correctness and in the intellectual and moral defects of their critics, is now in retrospect perceived as arrogance. For their spokespersons to continue to make light of the damage to the scientific case, and to ignore the ethical dimension of Climategate, is to risk public outrage at a perceived unreformed arrogance. If there is a continuing stream of ever more detailed revelations, originating in the blogosphere but now being brought to a broader public, then the credibility of the established scientific authorities will continue to erode. Do we face the prospect of the IPCC reports being totally dismissed as just more dodgy dossiers, and of hitherto trusted scientists being accused of negligence or worse? There will be those who with their own motives will be promoting such a picture. How can it be refuted?
And what about the issue itself? Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse. There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim; the post-normal situation is just too complex. The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science. The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result? The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.
To the extent that the improved management of uncertainty and ignorance can remedy the situation, some useful tools are at hand. In the Netherlands, scholars and scientists have developed ‘Knowledge Quality Assessment’ methodologies for characterising uncertainty in ways that convey the richness of the phenomenon while still performing well as robust tools of analysis and communication. Elsewhere, scholars are exploring methods for managing disagreement among scientists, so that such post-normal issues do not need to become so disastrously polarised. A distinguished scholar, Sheila Jasanoff, has called for a culture of humility among scientists, itself a radical move towards a vision of a non-violent science. Scientists who have been forced to work on the blogosphere have had the invaluable experience of exclusion and oppression; that could make it easier for them to accept that something is seriously wrong and then to engage in the challenging moral adventures of dealing with uncertainty and ignorance. The new technologies of communications are revolutionising knowledge and power in many areas. The extended peer community of science on the blogosphere will be playing its part in that process. Let dialogue commence!
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My thanks to numerous friends and colleagues for their loyal assistance through all the drafts of this essay. The final review at a seminar at the Institute of Science, Innovation and Society at Oxford University was very valuable, particularly the intervention from ‘the man in the bus queue’.
Ravitz offers a useful mainstream segue into a new paradigm.
Mr. Jaretz: Do you recognize this exchange (transcript here)?
7.05 it is also suggested that even a mild rise in temperature will lead to the spread northward of deadly, insect bourne tropical deseases like Malaria. But is this true? Professor Paul Reitter of the Pasteur institute in Paris is recognized as one of the World’s leading experts on malaria and other insect bourne diseases. He is a member of the World Health Organization WHO Expert Advisory committee. Was chairman of the American Committee of medical Entymology of the American Society for Tropical Medicine. And lead author on the health section of the U.S. national assessment of the potential consequences of climate variability As professor Reitter is eager to point out. Mosquitos thrive in very cold temperatures.
7.53 “Mosquitoes are not specifically tropical. Most people will realize that in termperate regions there are mosquitoes. Um, Infact, Mosquitoes are extremely abundant, ur, in the arctic. The most devastating episode of Malaria was in the Soviet Union in the 1920s. There was some thing like 13 million cases a year and something like 600,000 deaths. A tremendous catastrophy that reached up to the arctic circle. Archangel had 30,000 cases and about 10,000 Deaths so it is not a tropical disease. Yet these people in the Global Warming Fraternity INVENT THE IDEA THAT MALARIA WILL MOVE NORTHWARDS.”
Where have you been for all these years?? Manipulation of the subjects by the subjecters has always followed logical paths…no matter how twisted. The AGW story is a logic of Cash and power. You’d make a great defense attorney for bank robbers. Your thesis is interesting but the story of the AGW scam is already show to be a lot more base.
The Professor states:
On the contrary, the public would be greatly benefited by losing faith in this “claim,” and it is the only way scientists who profess to seek to understand climate would find their way back to some legitimacy in society.
The public’s “faith” would be better placed in an exhaustive inquiry (not a “claim”) into what drives weather – one which includes all comers: is earth’s climate influenced by it’s space environment? By the variable star it orbits? By fluxuations in cosmic rays or in the geomagnetic field? If so, how?
The Climategate emails reveal the scientific community had tyranically narrowed the question to greenhouse gas forcings only. Scientists made every effort to restrict framing the question in any other terms. That is the real betrayal of trust here: all the questions that were not asked and not allowed to be asked.
Also, a complete summary of what led to Catastrophic Climategate might have usefully included a mention of the abuse of computer models, which is pandemic across the disciplines, I believe.
No disrespect intended, but Jerome Ravetz is not a faculty member at Oxford. He does not claim to be – the blog owner just wants to impress us by being a bit vague. Dr. Ravetz is an “associate fellow” of an institute in the Business college. He is a postmodernist critic of science: “As I became aware of science as an intellectual and social phenomenon, I was impressed by certain similarities to what I had been told about dogmatic religion.” He has a right to his views and they should be judged on their merits not on inflated credentials. (Again, he is not inflating his credentials – the blog owner is.)
Some scientists finally spoke out against fellow scientists.That proves that all is not lost in the climate science department.A lot of people talk about the money,but power would have a lot to do with it.Most scientists have big egos,who dares to question THEM.It’s why the politics are so confusing.I would bet that there are fierce arguments that go on between scientists privately.As in religion and politics,each side believing they are right.I’m a cynic.I believe mankind is on a slow steady march towards extinction,I often wonder if we are sowing the seeds today,but every generation wonders that.I believe man will destroy man,not the weather.As to the AGW theory,bandaids will be applied,nothing will change,people will be fooled again and again,why not?History tells us so.We never learn from our mistakes,we never will learn.
Thanks!
How come common sense is in such shortage! Fanatics in power knowledge surpressed!
By the way, science, scientists, etc. are fallible. Everyone knows that. No one ever had “faith” in science as the one true religion. There’s no sense in pretending otherwise.
Am I the only one here who, when he hears the phrase ‘post-normal science’, thinks of Trofim Denisovich Lysenko? Yikes.
Well, it is a good summary of the situation and I went along happily until the paragraph:
And what about the issue itself? Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse. There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim; the post-normal situation is just too complex. The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science. The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result? The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.
I am sorry, I am a trained scientist and I cannot believe that a trained scientist looking at the long record of temperatures on this planet can support that:
There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim .
It is clear from the data that in the 40.000 years when homo sapiens sapiens emerged there have been much higher temperatures and the sky did not fall.
It is “scientists” that made this mess, and true scientists should join the good fight to clear the air about this artificial “complexity” that requires a meta language of post normality. It should be called out loud and clear that the data do not support any urgency in any sense and there is ample time, decades, centuries, to decide if anything need be done on CO2( apart of course normal energy conservation and pollution control).
To take the attitude that the inertia is too large to change course is defeatist and pandering to the Al Gores of this age who demand the west commit economic harakiri so that a world elite enrich themselves .
There are few policy commitments at the moment, the world did not buy the snake oil in Copenhagen, so I really think the essay gets off the tracks here.
I think it’s probably less than 6 months ago since I had a discussion, in these hallowed cyber-halls, with Tallbloke about post-normal science and Professor Ravetz. Going from memory, my understanding was that, in fact, Professor Ravetz’s view at that time was that AGW skepticism was a form – the bad kind – of post-normal science (correct me if I’m mis-remembering Tallbloke).
I sincerely suggested that I hoped that Professor Ravetz would live to see the error in his thinking. Accordingly, whatever anyone thinks of post-normal science and the Professor, the fact that within a few months, a person of this stature, can grasp the significance of the Climategate leak and articulate what he has above is, to me, quite astounding.
All credit to Tallbloke, Anthony and, of course, the greatest whistleblower in history, and credit to Professor Ravetz for his integrity.
WUWT, Anthony and “Tall-thanks for the good Dr’s post-interestingly he chose WUWT. Why not, this site (blog, you have no idea how I hate that term) is rapidly gaining credence not only for the quality and diversity of articles, but the responses to those arictles, so thanks also to “Scientist for Truth” for the counterpoint to the Dr. who wrote the article. I know of no other site, with the probable exception of Climate Audit that allows point/ counter point with regards to what has to be considered the “question of this age-perhaps the ages.
With all due respect to the author and Angela Wilkinson, I totally agree that AGW has taken on all the hallmarks of religious belief and totally support that description, but I am a little uncomfoprtable witht the phrase, “Evangelical Science.”
“The task of creating and involving the extended peer community (generally known as ‘participation’) has been recognised as difficult, with its own contradictions and pitfalls.” Paragraph 13.
I hope Mr Ravetz understands that ordinary people (the extended peer community) will involve themselves whether or not they have received an invitation to participate. The blogosphere is evidence of that. Amazingly, it was done without someone creating and involving. It wasn’t that difficult.
I think the statement would read better if you substituted the words “extended peer community” with “closed scientific community” as follows:
“The task of creating and involving the closed scientific community (generally known as ‘participation’) has been recognised as difficult, with its own contradictions and pitfalls.”
As I read more posts this evening I have to smile. Being a student of History… I think back to the unfinished Obelisks of Egypt. The Moai of Easter Island with unfinished statuary still in the quarry. The fall of the Maya… The end of the Chin dynasty, which died with his burial. The end of the Dark Ages and the begining of the Age of Enlightenment. Is this a turning point in our Post-Modern history? Will we now finally find out who shot JFK? Can we open those files now? The cold war is over. The Berlin Wall has come down. I was fourteen at the time and I would really like to know the answer before I die… Please Mister-tell us, please…
“This scandal, and the resulting crisis, was created by people within science who can be presumed to have been acting with the best of intentions. ”
As we said in our book, this is best understood as a form of noble cause corruption. ( hat tip to steve mcintyre for the idea)
Much to comment on here. Ravetz opines:
The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result?
Better to ask what sort of chaos would result if the public did NOT reject “totalitarian moral exhortations”? When has totalitarianism been moral? Can Dr. Ravetz cite ANY moral behavior EVER on the part of totalitarianists? Please visit Buchenwald and Auschwitz before answering that question.
JamesS (16:35:40) offers: I would argue that this “samizdat” state of affairs is nearly unique to this particular scientific theory
but that point is rebutted by Oliver K. Manuel (18:07:03): But in my opinion the depth of the problem goes much, much deeper. An unholy alliance of politicians, publishers, and news media are using science as a propaganda tool to control people. Anthony Watts and others discovered this in false global climate reports. I discovered this in false reports of space sciences and astrophysics.
I agree with Dr. Manuel. Totalitarianism has infected many sciences, particularly those that study large objects or systems that do not lend themselves to controlled experiment.
Does anyone think that climate science is the only one that Greenpeace, World Wildlife Federation, and other quangos engage in? My experience is that the various branches of ecology, forest science, oceanography, and indeed all the environmental sciences are rife with corruption — corruption of thought, institutions, journals, funding, politics, you name it.
Ravetz worries that “[t]he consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.”
Newsflash: much of what is called “science” in our civilization is non-different from Dark Age superstition. I am not talking about Kuhnian anomalies here. I am referring to widespread, wholesale degradation and corruption.
As an old philosophy of science student who stopped studying with Kuhn I greatly appreciate the description of post normal science. A lot of what I read in the mails now makes more sense.
Kudos
A very well-written and thoughtful piece, Mr. Ravetz. Thank you for writing, and for sharing this on WUWT.
I especially like the part about the extended community of reviewers, who, while not precisely peers, have a voice and certainly critical eyes. In my own field, engineering, there are certain fundamentals that are never violated. These can be used, where appropriate, to evaluate the claims of various scientists. One’s conclusions may never violate the second law of thermodynamics, nor the laws of process control, as just two examples.
A very enjoyable essay. It makes my head hurt trying to find a way to remove (or at least quantify) uncertainty. Error, I think, is permanent in the same sense that “the poor will be with you always”. You do what can be done to mitigate it, but for whatever reason, there it is again. Maybe the best we can hope for is to avoid going over cliffs.
Post-normal science
I agree. And the dispatch with which the lukewarmers decamp from that battlefield (Just Google: global warming public opinion polls) suggests the difficulty they are having in adapting to their new perspective. No sound, no fury, no collapse of science as we know it, just the clicking of the remote controlls as they find another channel.
I hope it isn’t too cynical of me to suggest that the popular view of science is shifting as we speak with no more than a sour growl of contempt from a large majority of Americans, who say something like this:
“If that’s what Science says, then Science… is a ass.”
I found this to be interesting, to the point of drowning out everything around me… However, despite the very careful description of the “how” and “why” Climategate came and even a reasonably good prognostication of its results, the end of this leaves me cold. Ravetz does not begin to call for integrity in science, nor the removal of political pressure that caused Climategate in the first place… Rather, he seems to indicate that these things are normal and acceptable, and instead, we need to “manage” disagreement and “manage” the loss of faith “science”.
What? We need to “manage” the outcome, to ensure that the global warming theory persists and remains as an enventually indisputable “consensus”? Ravetz studies, sees much, and then fails to demonstrate he’s learned anything, or even that he’s concerned about anything other than figuring out how to “manage” opposition to the political, and disagreement over the scientific.
This sounds distressingly like some political strategies, where “community leaders” hire people to break up citizens groups into small units, ostracize those who fail to conform the desired paradigm, and then manufacture “consensus” which has “credibility” because it has been achieved by a quality “objective” process.
Ravetz, you’re brilliant. But your integrity leaves me wanting – much like the very lack of integrity that brought about the events which have prompted your own commentary.
This is a well written piece, but it is easy to be seduced by the language. Personally, I find the concepts of “post normal science” quite disturbing.
I have worked as a scientist and as a software developer for some 30 years.
I have also undertaken a lot of endevours such as climbing in the Himalaya, paragliding, and kayaking.
In all of these activities, there are often times when the “stakes are high”
In these situations, we do not throw out our preconceived ideas.
In all this areas, we develop processes where we can react to the high pressure demands of the task in hand with a clear and reasoned approach.
When facing an impending storm at 6000m in the Gangotri mountains, believe me the last thing you need is a paradigm shift.
In this sense, I do not understand why climate change “science” needs a paradigm shift, especially as there is no immediate signal that any drastic action is required.
What Frosts me are these johnny-come-latelys (no relation to me!) all survivors of the crash of the AGW (Bowel) movement. By silence he was a part of it. The issues of AGW vs. Skeptics is old by about 4-5 years, maybe more. This analysis would have been useful 2-3 years ago but is useless now. We skeptics have gone from being Nutty, Fringe, UFO believing, Train-spotting, Flat-earth amateurs of the ‘town’ kind to dangerous ‘deniers (kin with the holocaust deniers)’. Where were you when we were painted with that description? Did you throw you lot in with us or did you stick you finger in the air to see which way it was blowing?? You are literally 4-5 years too late and it looks like your software didn’t apprise you of this. It sounds good and lots of words but the model the ‘few’ used to fight it was simple: Truth Vs. Lies. This scam called AGW is a story of base, corrupt, ENRON like lies geared towards manipulation, power and cash. THey always are! Thank God for the CRU leak so that the chicken littles can sense the prevailing wind changing!
Now that I have read and, more importantly, digested, the article, I still think that thinking of science per se as ‘post normal’ is a nonsense.
However, ‘post normal’ considerations help understanding when a supposedly scientific discipline is hijacked by interest groups and becomes in the first instance, politically interesting, then politically driven. At that stage, everybody is allowed to have an opinion and their opinions are taken to be as good as mine or any other person who has the knowledge to understand pure science and abuse thereof. (I am a D. Phil. in quantum mechanics.)
There are beautiful examples of this in Climategate where the Team, Mann in particular, refers to any contrary views as ‘crap’ (etc.). And indeed they are: if you accept that statistical standards are exemplified in the methods adopted by Mann, then you necessarily believe that the standards adopted by the community of trained and practising statisticians are ‘crap’. On the other hand, if you accept the views of pure statistics (if such a thing exists, but you get my drift) then you will believe that the climate change community accepts a standard of analysis that is dangerously misleading, viz., crap. They are mutually exclusive.
As a trained scientist you will side with the community of practising statisticians over the Team, who view ststistics as merely a group of techniques for manipulating (torturing?) data until it yields the result they desire, thus violating the principles of statistical inference as the first of many statistical violations. And it is here that you have to draw the line and say that real science must prevail. Furthermore, you also have to say that the views of the man in the street are not as valid as the view guided by scientific principles.
Then the problems arise. As a practising scientist your existence depends on grants and publications and you have a family and a mortgage. It is easiest to take the path of least resistence to both. AGW became such a path. Especially for the great majority of scientists who are not particularly gifted and who can easily be persuaded that AGW is real and leads to grants and publications. To keep the ball rolling, for this is a virtuous cause, you are quite happy for the politicisation to occur. The process of corruption begins and is about the only example of large positive feedback that can be proven in climate science. Hence ‘post normal’ science.