I’m honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular “tallbloke” for his facilitation. – Anthony
Guest post by Jerome Ravetz
At the end of January 2010 two distinguished scientific institutions shared headlines with Tony Blair over accusations of the dishonest and possibly illegal manipulation of information. Our ‘Himalayan glaciers melting by 2035’ of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is matched by his ‘dodgy dossier’ of Saddam’s fictitious subversions. We had the violations of the Freedom of Information Act at the University of East Anglia; he has the extraordinary 70-year gag rule on the David Kelly suicide file. There was ‘the debate is over’ on one side, and ‘WMD beyond doubt’ on the other. The parallels are significant and troubling, for on both sides they involve a betrayal of public trust.
Politics will doubtless survive, for it is not a fiduciary institution; but for science the dangers are real. Climategate is particularly significant because it cannot be blamed on the well-known malign influences from outside science, be they greedy corporations or an unscrupulous State. This scandal, and the resulting crisis, was created by people within science who can be presumed to have been acting with the best of intentions. In the event of a serious discrediting of the global-warming claims, public outrage would therefore be directed at the community of science itself, and (from within that community) at its leaders who were either ignorant or complicit until the scandal was blown open. If we are to understand Climategate, and move towards a restoration of trust, we should consider the structural features of the situation that fostered and nurtured the damaging practices. I believe that the ideas of Post-Normal Science (as developed by Silvio Funtowicz and myself) can help our understanding.
There are deep problems of the management of uncertainty in science in the policy domain, that will not be resolved by more elaborate quantification. In the gap between science and policy, the languages, their conventions and their implications are effectively incommensurable. It takes determination and skill for a scientist who is committed to social responsibility, to avoid becoming a ‘stealth advocate’ (in the terms of Roger Pielke Jr.). When the policy domain seems unwilling or unable to recognise plain and urgent truths about a problem, the contradictions between scientific probity and campaigning zeal become acute. It is a perennial problem for all policy-relevant science, and it seems to have happened on a significant scale in the case of climate science. The management of uncertainty and quality in such increasingly common situations is now an urgent task for the governance of science.
We can begin to see what went seriously wrong when we examine what the leading practitioners of this ‘evangelical science’ of global warming (thanks to Angela Wilkinson) took to be the plain and urgent truth in their case. This was not merely that there are signs of exceptional disturbance in the ecosphere due to human influence, nor even that the climate might well be changing more rapidly now than for a very long time. Rather, they propounded, as a proven fact, Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming. There is little room for uncertainty in this thesis; it effectively needs hockey-stick behaviour in all indicators of global temperature, so that it is all due to industrialisation. Its iconic image is the steadily rising graph of CO2 concentrations over the past fifty years at the Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii (with the implicit assumption that CO2 had always previously been at or below that starting level). Since CO2 has long been known to be a greenhouse gas, with scientific theories quantifying its effects, the scientific case for this dangerous trend could seem to be overwhelmingly simple, direct, and conclusive.
In retrospect, we can ask why this particular, really rather extreme view of the prospect, became the official one. It seems that several causes conspired. First, the early opposition to any claim of climate change was only partly scientific; the tactics of the opposing special interests were such as to induce the proponents to adopt a simple, forcefully argued position. Then, once the position was adopted, its proponents became invested in it, and attached to it, in all sorts of ways, institutional and personal. And I suspect that a simplified, even simplistic claim, was more comfortable for these scientists than one where complexity and uncertainty were acknowledged. It is not merely a case of the politicians and public needing a simple, unequivocal message. As Thomas Kuhn described ‘normal science’, which (as he said) nearly all scientists do all the time, it is puzzle-solving within an unquestioned framework or ‘paradigm’. Issues of uncertainty and quality are not prominent in ‘normal’ scientific training, and so they are less easily conceived and managed by its practitioners.
Now, as Kuhn saw, this ‘normal’ science has been enormously successful in enabling our unprecedented understanding and control of the world around us. But his analysis related to the sciences of the laboratory, and by extension the technologies that could reproduce stable and controllable external conditions for their working. Where the systems under study are complicated, complex or poorly understood, that ‘textbook’ style of investigation becomes less, sometimes much less, effective. The near-meltdown of the world’s financial system can be blamed partly on naïvely reductionist economics and misapplied simplistic statistics. The temptation among ‘normal’ scientists is to work as if their material is as simple as in the lab. If nothing else, that is the path to a steady stream of publications, on which a scientific career now so critically depends. The most obvious effect of this style is the proliferation of computer simulations, which give the appearance of solved puzzles even when neither data nor theory provide much support for the precision of their numerical outputs. Under such circumstances, a refined appreciation of uncertainty in results is inhibited, and even awareness of quality of workmanship can be atrophied.
In the course of the development of climate-change science, all sorts of loose ends were left unresolved and sometimes unattended. Even the most fundamental quantitative parameter of all, the forcing factor relating the increase in mean temperature to a doubling of CO2, lies somewhere between 1 and 3 degrees, and is thus uncertain to within a factor of 3. The precision (at about 2%) in the statements of the ‘safe limits’ of CO2 concentration, depending on calculations with this factor, is not easily justified. Also, the predictive power of the global temperature models has been shown to depend more on the ‘story line’ than anything else, the end-of century increase in temperature ranging variously from a modest one degree to a catastrophic six. And the ‘hockey stick’ picture of the past, so crucial for the strict version of the climate change story, has run into increasingly severe problems. As an example, it relied totally on a small set of deeply uncertain tree-ring data for the Medieval period, to refute the historical evidence of a warming then; but it needed to discard that sort of data for recent decades, as they showed a sudden cooling from the 1960’s onwards! In the publication, the recent data from other sources were skilfully blended in so that the change was not obvious; that was the notorious ‘Nature trick’ of the CRU e-mails.
Even worse, for the warming case to have political effect, a mere global average rise in temperature was not compelling enough. So that people could appreciate the dangers, there needed to be predictions of future climate – or even weather – in the various regions of the world. Given the gross uncertainties in even the aggregated models, regional forecasts are really beyond the limits of science. And yet they have been provided, with various degrees of precision. Those announced by the IPCC have become the most explosive.
As all these anomalies and unsolved puzzles emerged, the neat, compelling picture became troubled and even confused. In Kuhn’s analysis, this would be the start of a ‘pre-revolutionary’ phase of normal science. But the political cause had been taken up by powerful advocates, like Al Gore. We found ourselves in another crusading ‘War’, like those on (non-alcoholic) Drugs and ‘Terror’. This new War, on Carbon, was equally simplistic, and equally prone to corruption and failure. Global warming science became the core element of this major worldwide campaign to save the planet. Any weakening of the scientific case would have amounted to a betrayal of the good cause, as well as a disruption of the growing research effort. All critics, even those who were full members of the scientific peer community, had to be derided and dismissed. As we learned from the CRU e-mails, they were not considered to be entitled to the normal courtesies of scientific sharing and debate. Requests for information were stalled, and as one witty blogger has put it, ‘peer review’ was replaced by ‘pal review’.
Even now, the catalogue of unscientific practices revealed in the mainstream media is very small in comparison to what is available on the blogosphere. Details of shoddy science and dirty tricks abound. By the end, the committed inner core were confessing to each other that global temperatures were falling, but it was far too late to change course. The final stage of corruption, cover-up, had taken hold. For the core scientists and the leaders of the scientific communities, as well as for nearly all the liberal media, ‘the debate was over’. Denying Climate Change received the same stigma as denying the Holocaust. Even the trenchant criticisms of the most egregious errors in the IPCC reports were kept ‘confidential’. And then came the e-mails.
We can understand the root cause of Climategate as a case of scientists constrained to attempt to do normal science in a post-normal situation. But climate change had never been a really ‘normal’ science, because the policy implications were always present and strong, even overwhelming. Indeed, if we look at the definition of ‘post-normal science’, we see how well it fits: facts uncertain,values in dispute, stakes high, and decisions urgent. In needing to treat Planet Earth like a textbook exercise, the climate scientists were forced to break the rules of scientific etiquette and ethics, and to play scientific power-politics in a way that inevitably became corrupt. The combination of non-critical ‘normal science’ with anti-critical ‘evangelical science’ was lethal. As in other ‘gate’ scandals, one incident served to pull a thread on a tissue of protective plausibilities and concealments, and eventually led to an unravelling. What was in the e-mails could be largely explained in terms of embattled scientists fighting off malicious interference; but the materials ready and waiting on the blogosphere provided a background, and that is what converted a very minor scandal to a catastrophe.
Consideration of those protective plausibilities can help to explain how the illusions could persist for so long until their sudden collapse. The scientists were all reputable, they published in leading peer-reviewed journals, and their case was itself highly plausible and worthy in a general way. Individual criticisms were, for the public and perhaps even for the broader scientific community, kept isolated and hence muffled and lacking in systematic significance. And who could have imagined that at its core so much of the science was unsound? The plausibility of the whole exercise was, as it were, bootstrapped. I myself was alerted to weaknesses in the case by some caveats in Sir David King’s book The Hot Topic; and I had heard of the hockey-stick affair. But even I was carried along by the bootstrapped plausibility, until the scandal broke. (I have benefited from the joint project on plausibility in science of colleagues in Oxford and at the Arizona State University).
Part of the historic significance of Climategate is that the scandal was so effectively and quickly exposed. Within a mere two months of the first reports in the mainstream media, the key East Anglia scientists and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were discredited. Even if only a fraction of their scientific claims were eventually refuted, their credibility as trustworthy scientists was lost. To explain how it all happened so quickly and decisively, we have the confluence of two developments, one social and the other technical. For the former, there is a lesson of Post-Normal Science, that we call the Extended Peer Community. In traditional ‘normal’ science, the peer community, performing the functions of quality-assurance and governance, is strictly confined to the researchers who share the paradigm. In the case of ‘professional consultancy’, the clients and/or sponsors also participate in governance. We have argued that in the case of Post-Normal Science, the ‘extended peer community’, including all affected by the policy being implemented, must be fully involved. Its particular contribution will depend on the nature of the core scientific problem, and also on the phase of investigation. Detailed technical work is a task for experts, but quality-control on even that work can be done by those with much broader expertise. And on issues like the definition of the problem itself, the selection of personnel, and crucially the ownership of the results, the extended peer community has full rights of participation. This principle is effectively acknowledged in many jurisdictions, and for many policy-related problems. The theory of Post-Normal Science goes beyond the official consensus in recognising ‘extended facts’, that might be local knowledge and values, as well as unoffficially obtained information.
The task of creating and involving the extended peer community (generally known as ‘participation’) has been recognised as difficult, with its own contradictions and pitfalls. It has grown haphazardly, with isolated successes and failures. Hitherto, critics of scientific matters have been relegated to a sort of samizdat world, exchanging private letters or writing books that can easily be ignored (as not being peer-reviewed) by the ruling establishment. This has generally been the fate of even the most distinguished and responsible climate-change critics, up to now. A well-known expert in uncertainty management, Jeroen van der Sluijs, explicitly condemned the ‘overselling of certainty’ and predicted the impending destruction of trust; but he received no more attention than did Nikolas Taleb in warning of the ‘fat tails’ in the probability distributions of securities that led to the Credit Crunch. A prominent climate scientist, Mike Hulme, provided a profound analysis in Why We Disagree About Climate Change, in terms of complexity and uncertainty. But since legitimate disagreement was deemed nonexistent, he too was ignored.
To have a political effect, the ‘extended peers’ of science have traditionally needed to operate largely by means of activist pressure-groups using the media to create public alarm. In this case, since the global warmers had captured the moral high ground, criticism has remained scattered and ineffective, except on the blogosphere. The position of Green activists is especially difficult, even tragic; they have been ‘extended peers’ who were co-opted into the ruling paradigm, which in retrospect can be seen as a decoy or diversion from the real, complex issues of sustainability, as shown by Mike Hulme. Now they must do some very serious re-thinking about their position and their role.
The importance of the new media of communications in mass politics, as in the various ‘rainbow revolutions’ is well attested. To understand how the power-politics of science have changed in the case of Climategate, we can take a story from the book Here Comes Everybody by Clay Shirkey. There were two incidents in the Boston U.S.A. diocese of the Roman Catholic Church, involving the shuffling of paeodophile priests around parishes. The first time, there was a criminal prosecution, with full exposure in the press, and then nothing happened. The second time, the outraged parents got on their cell phones and organised; and eventually Cardinal Archbishop Bernard Francis Law (who had started as a courageous cleric in the ‘60’s) had to leave for Rome in disgrace. The Climategate affair shows the importance of the new IT for science, as an empowerment of the extended peer community.
The well-known principle, ‘knowledge is power’ has its obverse, ‘ignorance is impotence’. And ignorance is maintained, or eventually overcome, by a variety of socio-technical means. With the invention of cheap printing on paper, the Bible could be widely read, and heretics became Reformers. The social activity of science as we know it expanded and grew through the age of printing. But knowledge was never entirely free, and the power-politics of scientific legitimacy remained quite stable for centuries. The practice of science has generally been restricted to a social elite and its occasional recruits, as it requires a prior academic education and a sufficiency of leisure and of material resources. With the new information technology, all that is changing rapidly. As we see from the ‘open source’ movement, many people play an active role in enjoyable technological development in the spare time that their job allows or even encourages. Moreover, all over IT there are blogs that exercise quality control on the industry’s productions. In this new knowledge industry, the workers can be as competent as the technicians and bosses. The new technologies of information enable the diffusion of scientific competence and the sharing of unofficial information, and hence give power to peer communities that are extended far beyond the Ph.D.s in the relevant subject-specialty. The most trenchant and effective critics of the ‘hockey stick’ statistics were a University-employed economist and a computer expert.
Like any other technology, IT is many-faceted. It is easily misused and abused, and much of the content of the blogosphere is trivial or worse. The right-wing political agendas of some climate sceptics, their bloggers and their backers, are quite well known. But to use their background or motivation as an excuse for ignoring their arguments, is a betrayal of science. The blogosphere interacts with other media of communication, in the public and scientific domains. Some parts are quite mainstream, others not. The Climategate blogosphere is as varied in quality as any other. Some leading scholars, like Roger Pielke, Jr. have had personal blogs for a long time. Some blogs are carefully monitored, have a large readership and are sampled by the mainstream media (such as the one on which this is posted, Wattsupwiththat.com). Others are less rigorous; but the same variation in quality can be found in the nominally peer-reviewed scientific literature. Keeping up with the blogosphere requires different skills from keeping up with traditional literature; it is most useful to find a summarising blog that fits one’s special interests, as well as a loyal correspondent, as (in my case) Roger ‘tallbloke’ Tattersall.
Some mainstream publications are now saying nice things about the blogosphere. Had such sentiments been expressed a while ago, the critical voices might have had a public hearing and the Climategate scandal might have been exposed before it became entrenched so disastrously. And now the critical blogosphere does not need to be patronised. Like any extension of political power, whether it be the right to believe, to protest, to vote, to form trades unions, or to be educated, it can lead to instabilities and abuses. But now the extended peer community has a technological base, and the power-politics of science will be different. I cannot predict how it will work out, but we can be confident that corruptions built on bootstrapped plausibility will be less likely in the future.
There is an important philosophical dimension to Climategate, a question of the relation of personal scientific ethics to objective scientific facts. The problem is created by the traditional image of science (as transmitted in scientific education) as ‘value-free’. The personal commitments to integrity, that are necessary for the maintenance of scientific quality, receive no mention in the dominant philosophy of science. Kuhn’s disenchanted picture of science was so troubling to the idealists (as Popper) because in his ‘normal’ science criticism had hardly any role. For Kuhn, even the Mertonian principles of ethical behaviour were effectively dismissed as irrelevant. Was this situation truly ‘normal’ – meaning either average or (worse) appropriate? The examples of shoddy science exposed by the Climategate convey a troubling impression. From the record, it appears that in this case, criticism and a sense of probity needed to be injected into the system by the extended peer community from the (mainly) external blogosphere.
The total assurance of the mainstream scientists in their own correctness and in the intellectual and moral defects of their critics, is now in retrospect perceived as arrogance. For their spokespersons to continue to make light of the damage to the scientific case, and to ignore the ethical dimension of Climategate, is to risk public outrage at a perceived unreformed arrogance. If there is a continuing stream of ever more detailed revelations, originating in the blogosphere but now being brought to a broader public, then the credibility of the established scientific authorities will continue to erode. Do we face the prospect of the IPCC reports being totally dismissed as just more dodgy dossiers, and of hitherto trusted scientists being accused of negligence or worse? There will be those who with their own motives will be promoting such a picture. How can it be refuted?
And what about the issue itself? Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse. There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim; the post-normal situation is just too complex. The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science. The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result? The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.
To the extent that the improved management of uncertainty and ignorance can remedy the situation, some useful tools are at hand. In the Netherlands, scholars and scientists have developed ‘Knowledge Quality Assessment’ methodologies for characterising uncertainty in ways that convey the richness of the phenomenon while still performing well as robust tools of analysis and communication. Elsewhere, scholars are exploring methods for managing disagreement among scientists, so that such post-normal issues do not need to become so disastrously polarised. A distinguished scholar, Sheila Jasanoff, has called for a culture of humility among scientists, itself a radical move towards a vision of a non-violent science. Scientists who have been forced to work on the blogosphere have had the invaluable experience of exclusion and oppression; that could make it easier for them to accept that something is seriously wrong and then to engage in the challenging moral adventures of dealing with uncertainty and ignorance. The new technologies of communications are revolutionising knowledge and power in many areas. The extended peer community of science on the blogosphere will be playing its part in that process. Let dialogue commence!
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My thanks to numerous friends and colleagues for their loyal assistance through all the drafts of this essay. The final review at a seminar at the Institute of Science, Innovation and Society at Oxford University was very valuable, particularly the intervention from ‘the man in the bus queue’.
Alright. I propose a compromise Mr. Delingpole. We won’t call it ‘Post Normal Science’ nor a Maneuver. How about: ‘Sub-normal Sub-Science’ as it is both beneath real Science and uterly Subversive.
Yes there seems to be a softness in the essay on the harder issue. I agree with tallbloke …. There’s just something about not addressing the facts.
@ur momisugly Onion
I’m with you. I’m completely and utterly bewildered by the fawning praise this sloppy piece is receiving here. It’s wrong on the facts, wrong on the logic, and wrong in the conclusions.
Otherwise, it’s fine.
Terrific thread. Kudos to Anthony for posting the article even if it is a load of bollocks. I don’t know if it is or it isn’t, because it is written in such high-falutin and ambiguous terms. If a man can’t write something in plain English so that there is no doubt what he actually means, then one’s BS detectors do tend to start trembling. I suggest that Ravetz read some Emerson and learn some lessons about combining clarity with depth. Of course, maybe he’s presented his thoughts like this deliberately so that he can keep his street cred with the warmists and at the same time seem to be offering an olive branch to us lot.
I think we might well be witnessing the dance of the weasels (or maybe chameleons) in pieces like this and in the self-contradictory contortions of the Guardian of late. They’re in disarray, making it up as they go along, above all wanting to emerge in one piece and with some shred of credibility. But honestly, I don’t think there’s any hope of that. We’ve caught sight of the emperor bollock-naked; he has a tiny todger, and we don’t believe in his strap-on dildo.
Willis Eschenbach (23:53:22)
“For me, this essay is the most dangerous piece of nonsense that has ever appeared on WUWT”
Thank you, Willis, well done. I had read Hulm’s and Ravetz’s piece in the BBC back in December, so the red flags immediately went up.
From the BBC article:
“We argue that the evolving practice of science in the contemporary world must be different from the classic view of disinterested – almost robotic – humans establishing objective claims to universal truth…
“The classic virtues of scientific objectivity, universality and disinterestedness can no longer be claimed to be automatically effective as the essential properties of scientific knowledge.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8388485.stm
Perhaps Ravetz & Hulme’s goal is to co-opt the blogosphere into rallying around the “policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations,” of the warmists, because it’s too late to turn back. Or there will be chaos. (BTW, leftists don’t perceive “totalitarian” as a pejorative term, but as a necessity; enforcement is preferably voluntary, but will become forceful if required.)
Thanks also to ScientistForTruth (16:33:26) for the link to the material on Ravetz, Hulme and post-normal science.
For those who missed it:
http://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/climate-change-and-the-death-of-science/
John Whitman (01:18:31) — John, science uses epistemology as a tool, but is not bound by its axioms. Science follows its own theories, which are invented ad hoc and which must make falsifiable predictions, and is tested by investigational results, which must be independently verifiable.
Likewise, science is not concerned with any metaphysical reality. It does not postulate an external universe and is not concerned with essences or with the nature of things. It is concerned with objective knowledge, which means falsifiably predictive statements concerning observational results.
Please note this is not the same as naive falsification (i.e., ‘the moon is made of green cheese’). Falsifiable statements in science are falsifiable by way of deduction from a predictive theory, and not merely from descriptive assertion.
There’s no such thing as “post-normal science.” Science is not philosophy. Science is theory and results. Anything else is not science.
Ravitz and other post-modern essayers are merely engaged in status salvation. They want to re-cast science as no better than their own political opinion-mongering so as to diminish the stark comparative poverty of their field. It’s intellectual face-saving; leveling by derision. Basically, post-modern derogation of science, rationally unjustifiable, is a tactical diversion from the tacit admission that post-modern thought, itself, is hollow at its core. These people are intellectuals who have systematically betrayed reason; the worst sort of intellectual treason.
I see a lot of commentators are full of admiration for Ravetz’s essay. So, if the Trojan Horse analogy is accurate (as I think it is), Ravetz has done an excellent job: the innocent citizens have opened the gates, pulled their trophy inside and are busy celebrating and getting drunk. Bad move.
We all learn about the “Scientific Method” early in our education and now we clearly need a “Post Normal Scientific Method”.
Here are the elements.
1. Observe anecdote.
2. Develop plausible theory.
3. Connect emotional language to plausible theory
4. Connect to advocacy group(s) — more better
5. Advocacy groups recursively repeat # 3 & 4
6. Through replication of #5 the anecdote turns into solid “data”
7. Media does stories on the “data”
8. $$$$ takes note
9. continue….
As others have stated “Climategate” is an extraordinary example of Post Normal Science in operation.
Oh yes, the vaunted “precautionary principle” that has found its way into the regulatory schemes of the EU is a corollary to PNS.
Puzzled by some of the negative reactions, I missed the ambiguity and self-contradiction. All seemed clear enough to me. There is nothing wrong with extending a logical clause over more than one sentence. Just having a vocabulary smaller than your shoe size does not justify inverse snobbery against someone who hasn’t.
“And what about the issue itself? Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse. ”
If you read the rest of the article, Ravetz is definitely not on the side of CAGW. However if the public reaction to climategate and failed CAGW is to “throw out the baby with the bathwater” (an IDIOM – look up if necessary) then science and all scientists could suffer, so it is a justifiable concern. Just like in the UK attacks against all foreigners increased after 911, or mobs in England targeted paediatricians following high profile paedophile criminal cases.
[REPLY – Interesting. After 911, in the US, attacks against Middle Easterners decreased — very — sharply. ~ Evan]
James Delingpole is spot on, and I retract some of my earlier praise for the Prof. It all sounds very plausible on first reading, but I have now recalibrated my weaselry detectors, as JD suggests. I still like the comparison to Blair’s dodgy dossier, though.
tallbloke wrote (in response to Willis):
“The criticisms he has are nuanced, partly because his essay will have other audiences besides WUWT”
Sorry, that doesn’t work for me … and only adds to the confusion. For far too long we have been forced to deal with a very un-nuanced message. It’s time to call a spade a spade – regardless of audience.
Paul Dennis (a breath of fresh air from UEA) has an interesting response to this essay from Ravetz. I would say that he agrees with Willis; he concludes:
“Because of the gaps in our knowledge the approach to post normal science is different to the Kuhnian approach. Ravetz suggests that there is a wide stakeholder community that should be included in peer review, the so called extended peer community. This peer community can bring their own ‘local knowledge’ or ‘extended facts’ to the debate. It strikes me that this is another way of trying to seek concensus, rather than knowledge, truth and understanding. In many ways it strikes me as another description of what Feynmann would call ‘cargo cult science’.
“To me Ravetz’s analysis is deeply flawed. The only approach we can take is that of the scientific method and use our knowledge of physics and chemistry to develop plausible hypotheses which we can test. If an idea cannot be developed into a testable hypotheses it remains just an idea. The theory of CO2 induced catastrophic global warming is just that: an idea that cannot be experimentally falsified. In the absence of any direct ability to test the idea we must apply common sense or Occam’s razor. For example the principle of uniformitarianism suggests that if CO2 is the dominant forcing component in the climate system then there should be abundant evidence of temperatures scaling with CO2 levels. As a first order test we can look at the Eemian intergalcial about 125,000 years ago. During this period CO2 levels were about 280ppm (100ppm below present day levels) and temperatures several degrees warmer than present. Here we see immediately that temperature is not a simple function of atmospheric CO2 levels and we have to look at other components in the climate system to explain the Eemian climate.
“Where does this leave us. I suggest that post normal science is a social construct without meaning. It fits the current zeitgeist in which humanity is vulnerable to a multiplicity of disasters: epidemics, nuclear obliteration, global warming etc. The characterization of Kuhnian, and the scientific method as having no regard for probability, error, uncertainty and only being applicable to well controlled experimental systems in the laboratory is wrong. Finally, the only way we can fully understand the climate system is by using what we all know as the scientific method.”
http://harmonicoscillator.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/jerome-ravetz-and-post-normal-science/
Evan:
Justifying Islamophobia: a post-9/11 consideration of the European Union and British contexts in American Journal of Islamic Social Sciences (no.3, volume 21, Summer 2004) Denver: AMSS & IIIT, pp,1-25.
This is a section from the published essay “The EUMC report”:
“The post-9/11 period in Europe also saw an upsurge in ethnic xenophobia, especially those that were either historical or pre-existent to 9/11, typically also either nationally or regionally constrained . So whilst this happened across the spectrum of the EU, different manifestations were identified in different settings, dependent upon the Muslim communities themselves and their particular histories, nationalities, status and ethnic backgrounds. As the report put it, the attacks on the US provided a catalyst of fear that sought to reaffirm and renew old and indeed enhance new prejudices that exaggerated the potential of the perceived enemy within.”
The phenomenon in the US you refer to is curious – a sort of collective Stockholm syndrome?
If you read it, Ravetz comments have more to do with human nature and how collective decisions get made. You don’t have to argue science to see this in action.
A couple of years ago my daughter came home with an exam paper. Amongst the butes were questions such as “why are so many people in Africa starving” to which the correct answer was “because big American oil companies own all their oil”. People in Brazil were starving because “Folgers makes them grow coffee instead of food”.
I went ballistic. I produced oil production records from various African countries showing that most of the oil was being pumped by European and Asian oil companies, not American. I showed that those companies were paying enormous sums of money that were not trickling down to the people. I even got statements from Folgers that they didn’t source much of their coffee from Brazil, and the Brazilian consulate provided me with their agriculture records showing that the top food 10 crops in Brazil were all larger than coffee and that they had the 2nd largest domestic cattle herd in the world. In short, the teacher’s claims were unsupported by facts or logic. What happened?
The administration circled the wagons. They dragged the complaint process out in the hopes I would give up and go away. They asked for my sources, and then claimed that the teacher had other sources which were also credible but had to look into what they were. It took 3 months of steady effort to back them into a corner, force them to produce proper documentation for the students to make their own conclusions, and they moved the teacher to a non teaching position. But they never once admitted that he was dead wrong.
Two important facts out of this:
1. an organization will protect its own, regardless of fact
2. the ONLY parent of a class of 35 students who got upset was me.
Nothing to do with science. But the exact same issues. implausible facts, impausible logic, and an organization defending it instead of confronting it.
Like Marchesarosa, I too came across PNS about a year ago, and found it vaguely offensive . It seems to share with post-modernism the odour from the dead carcase of Marxism. So, I was not surprised to see it being used as intellectual cover for the junk-science of Climatology, which also gives off the same whiffiness.
I reckon that anything that purports to be Science, including PNS, ought to start with a statement that it really does comply with the definition of Science as laid down by its inventor Francis Bacon. His full definition can be found here:
http://www.constitution.org/bacon/nov_org.htm
… and I think WUWT readers who want to know whether Climatology or PNS can be classed as Science, should find the answer very amusing!
Just as a taster, the inventor defines Science as:
” …. the true and lawful goal of the sciences is none other than this: that human life be endowed with new discoveries and powers”
That’s it right there, folks! According to my lights, and confirmed by further reading, Climatology does not qualify as Science. Neither does PNS.
PS; as another example here is Bacon on climate models:
“mathematics …. ought only to give definiteness to natural philosophy, not to generate or give it birth. From a natural philosophy pure and unmixed, better things are to be expected. “
David A (09:23:15) wrote:
He defends not only the IPCCs use of language “intended to incite and encourage,” but it totalitarian methods, which he call moral.
David. Thanks for bringing that up. I think the “totalitarian methods” sentence is the most revealing part of that essay.
I intended to comment about it late last night but I couldn’t make my words behave. So I didn’t post. And this morning I saw your comments.
The essay is long. And dense. We will all interpret it differently.
Ravetz looks at the problem from a meta-science position. Fair enough. That comes with the territory for a professor of philosophy of science.
Most of us can’t take a month or a year so to master the jargon and arguments of post-normal science. (Or is it past-normal science. Or para-normal science?) So it is rather useless to deal with the essay in those terms.
Fortunately we don’t have to. Ravetz does not condone the “shoddy tricks” etc. He attempts to explain what happened.
I was sorry to see him use a trick. He tries to tie the consequences of this matter to a rejection of climate science and even to a rejection of science itself.
It is almost a threat when he tells us that:
“The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result? The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary”
Man might turn away from science over this? Sure, Jerome!
….Enter stage right….Mr. Gore Ladies and Gentlemen. I present to you Mr. Gore…. MR GORE. Hello Mr. Gore. Calling MR. GORE. Someone go and get Mr. Gore.
Strangely silent isn’t he.
Wow, the best essay I have read yet on the further reaching implications of doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. If this keeps building, the house of science is in for a much needed scouring.
“The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection.”
Professor Ravetz, please tell me why you lament rather than praise the possible public rejection of “totalitarian moral exhortations”.
Ravetz’ take on AGW is sharp; the corruption, self-referencing efforts, the suppression and choice of advocacy over truth.
But we should be very careful to not embrace his oxymoronic vision of post-normal science that justifies exactly that degeenration of science, and truth.
Ravetz does do a fine job of subjecting the failures of climate science to the glare of the spotlight. Begining from the paragraph “We can begin to see what went seriously wrong when we examine what the leading practitioners of this ‘evangelical science’ of global warming (thanks to Angela Wilkinson) took to be the plain and urgent truth in their case,” he is happy to show that things went wrong and that this lead to “evangelical science.”
He correctly points out that they propounded as a “proven fact, Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming,” and that to do this they needed to show “hockey-stick behaviour in all indicators of global temperature, so that it is all due to industrialisation.”
However, I believe his thesis begins to go downhill from that point, as he attempts to understand the reason why it all went wrong. He erroneously states, imo, that this extreme position was a reaction to skeptics because their opposition was “only partly scientific,” and that somehow this forced the climatologists to adpot a “simple, forcefully argued position.”
But more significant, is the way he invoked Kuhn’s description of normal science to show how Kuhn’s analysis related to the “sciences of the laboratory” that could reproduce “stable and controllable external conditions for their working.” The first hint that climate scientists are normal scientists, appears in the next sentence, when he states that “The temptation among ‘normal’ scientists is to work as if their material is as simple as in the lab.”
As theses scientists encountered confusing and uncertain data, Ravetz notes that “these anomalies and unsolved puzzles emerged, [and] the neat, compelling picture became troubled and even confused.”
What then is the solution to this conundrum? Should these scientists adhere more rigorously to normal science? Ravetz thinks not, because thanks to the likes of Al Gore and other political figures, “we found ourselves in another crusading ‘War’, like those on (non-alcoholic) Drugs and ‘Terror’. This new War, on Carbon, was equally simplistic, and equally prone to corruption and failure.”
No, Ravetz is quite clear normal science is not the right way forward. He now introduces his main thesis – and it is a bombshell: “We can understand the root cause of Climategate as a case of scientists constrained to attempt to do normal science in a post-normal situation.” This is unequivocal a statement as can be made. Climate scientists cannot, and should not do normal science “because the policy implications were always present and strong, even overwhelming.”
So, climate scientists, according to Ravetz, were doing normal science but it was the “combination of non-critical ‘normal science’ with anti-critical ‘evangelical science’ [that] was lethal.”
This whole thesis is puzzling in that it predicates the need for post normal science on the mixture of political and evangelical pressure on a science that is based on uncertainty and contradictions. But such an action can never be right. There is only science, and that is the business that climatologists should be engaged in. So thankyou Dr Ravetz for higlighting the flaws in climate science, but don’t use that to try and smuggle in a dangerous ideology.
Stephen Wilde (08:52:30) :
So he is drawing us into PNS and inviting us to abandon normal science in return for our involvement being permitted.
However, as with government consultations there is no guarantee that the supporters of proper science will be listened to at all. They can always be trumped by sociological imperatives once they have been drawn into the quagmire.
In the end it’s a struggle for the means of production which in this case is ideas that can persuade or coerce the masses
I humbly put it to you that this has been the situation since long before Jerry Ravetz was a twinkle in his father’s eye. And that’s a long time ago.
We don’t have to stop doing proper science to hoist the alarmists on their PNS petard, we have already barged our way to the table with our ‘facts from outside the institutional framework’ and our leaked documents, and we are thumping it hard.
Jerry’s invitation to commence dialogue is after the fact. His reinterpretation of his own concepts to include our activity on the blogosphere as legitimate PNS in action is something I see as being part of his own voluntary deprogramming. He will get crap thrown at him from both sides during the process, but he willingly stands in the full glare of the spotlight, centre stage on the most active sceptical science blog on the planet rather than slinking off into the shadows.
For that, I salute him, and thank him for bringing these complex issues here, where we can consider them on ‘home turf’. I know he is delighted with the quality and depth of the responses his piece has engendered, and he is not one to shrink away from valid criticism. I expect he will formulate a reply to the substantive issues about money, integrity, institutional arrogance and folly, and the objectivity and methodology of science which have been raised.
I don’t know how much further he would have had to stick his tongue in his cheek to get people to realise his comments about totalitarianism were ironic, but try to remember Marx was not Stalin. 😉
Seems to be (maybe I’m not understanding correcty) that PNS is seen by Mr. Ravetz as a process which happens (or should happen) after a ‘normal’ scientific enquiry into a problem has already taken place. It’s the ‘what comes after’ the often times ambiguous result as it applies to policy, ethics, impact on society, the environment, etc. It seems to be calling for a greater democracy where different people of various experience can weigh in and be heard outside of the normal channels of scientific investigation. (eg, is WUWT a science blog, a PNS blog, or both?)
On the other hand, if PNS is to be defined as a replacement of normal science (as Willis and a few others are warning of), ie- if it is really about throwing the baby of normal science out with the bathwater (the problem of uncertainty and ‘irremediably soft’ results) then I don’t think PNS will be having a long history of support, except perhaps among controlling types who wish to shape humanity according to their own perculiar visions.
Climate Science as revealed in the emails shows what happens when scientists think too much about their results in terms of ‘what comes next’. The way I see it, they put the ‘what comes next’ ahead of the ‘what is going on’ which has lead to the litany of scientific abuses which, thanks to Climategate, is now in the open for all to see.
We can see that the science in Climate Science is still yet to be done. Is PNS excacerbating this delay? What is going on?
Awesome article! Very well written…
Stu (12:50:39) :
Seems to be (maybe I’m not understanding correcty) that PNS is seen by Mr. Ravetz as a process which happens (or should happen) after a ‘normal’ scientific enquiry into a problem has already taken place. It’s the ‘what comes after’ the often times ambiguous result as it applies to policy, ethics, impact on society, the environment, etc. It seems to be calling for a greater democracy where different people of various experience can weigh in and be heard outside of the normal channels of scientific investigation. (eg, is WUWT a science blog, a PNS blog, or both?)
Hooray! Someone else gets it!
This is a timely and superb summation of the realities and the philosophical dimensions of the phenomenon of ‘evangelical science’ (aka AGW in this case). It takes us deep into the pitfalls of science-as-advocacy and the inevitable distortions and corruptons that occur when policy and science get to close together. I like the idea of ‘extended peer review’, of which WUWT is an exellent example, to counter ‘pal review’. Many thanks Prof. Ravetz