Here in the USA, WUWT readers probably don’t have a true handle on the firestorm that is going on in India over Pachauri’s “glaciergate”. It is making headlines and the people there are quite angry, because they’ve been led to believe that their Himalayan water supply was seriously threatened in the not too distant future (2035) as reported in the IPCC AR4, and now they find out it’s a bogus, and that a Pachauri peer now specifically admits the 2035 date was known to be false, and used anyway to scare policymakers into action.
Dr. Richard North, who co-wrote the first story with Christopher Booker of the Telegraph that got the inquiry started over two weeks ago, now says on an interview on Indian television that ” If Dr Pachauri does not resign voluntarily, he will be forced to do so.”
Here is video and partial transcript of that interview.
It was not until the Sunday Times last week actually highlighted it that he was forced to take action. And on that basis I don’t think he has any credible alternative but to resign and he is either going to resign voluntarily or as the media are increasingly saying he is going to be forced.
It is a very clearly recognisable tactic where he simply denies the undeniable and for a while if you are in a very elevated position you get away with it. He hasn’t yet recognised that his position is already untenable and the more he denies, the way the media works the more evidence they are going to find until such time as his denials will be so lacking in credibility that he will be unable to operate .
Transcript via Liberty New Central.
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OT, but his Lordship has arrived in Australia:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/climate-sceptic-christopher-monckton-to-prove-rudd-wrong/story-e6frg6xf-1225823262665
Starting to get quite excited, because Rudd is going to have to play hide & seek to avoid him.
Ta-ta, Rajendra.
hotrod ( Larry L ) (21:07:51) :
How right you are.
Fortunately (at least in this instance, unfortunately in the main) Indians are fairly used to this type of behaviour. Corruption seems endemic at times from what I have been told and seen for myself. If this had happened in the UK or US it would most likely have been swept neatly under the political carpet and most people would not believe the enormity of the deception.
At least in India they see it right away, and will do something about it.
I vote for Steve McIntyre for the next IPCC Chairman. He’d ensure that only science was published and not Hockey Sticks.
Mr. Pachauri was following the will and wishes of the UN to bring down the economy of the free world. A gross overstatement, I hope!
Carefully kept accounts are a sine qua non for any organization. Without them it falls into disrepute. Without properly kept accounts it is impossible to maintain truth in its pristine purity.
— Gandhi, Mohandas K. “Mahatma”, An Autobiography: The Story of My Experiments with Truth, tr. Mahadev Desai, Part II, ch. XIX
timing couldn’t be better. Making news right now is monckton here in Australia slamming pm rudd. Its a lead story on news.com and is backed up by the ipcc imploding. Could you have believed this 3 months ago. Hats off to this blog, climate audit and many other sources that made this happen.
One also wonders what will happen when the Indians realise that the West’s “profligate practices”, which Mr Pachauri calls upon to be stopped, are in the long run what is essential for India’s advancement; both when carried out by other Indians, and when carried out elsewhere by those consuming Indian-manufactured goods.
The best thing about being taken to task by India(ns) is that Mr Pachauri and his supporters, at least those in the West, cannot scream “racism” or claim a greedy first-world/”Western” agenda, thus his wriggle room is severely restricted.
It would be easy to say that these AGWs are nut cases. But it is not true. They are card sharks. In it for the money. The leftists is the world proved what simpletons they really are. Unfortunately the whole world has paid for this hoax. In real dollars. Right into bank accounts.
If I counted correctly, as many as 19 out of the 27 major players (scientists alone) in the CRU email exchanges are authors (some are lead authors) of the IPCC’s AR4.
I’m not sure whether I’d rather see Pachauri ride it out to the bitter end, or see him resign and be replaced by someone with equally as much nasty baggage who can be forced out in another scandal four or six months down the line, lather rinse repeat, a couple such cycles and even the most craven peculators in the scientific community won’t be able to associate themselves with the IPCC any longer.
The climate-science tree needs some serious pruning on top, so that we can find out if there’s serious work to be done and honest people to do it once the Pachauris and Hansens and Joneses and Santers are out of the way and their work has been properly re-evaluated.
Will Obama and Lisa Jackson notice or will their ties to
Gore and AGW politics continue to blind them and harm us.
The IPCC was established as an advocacy organization by the UN Environment Program. It has always existed as such and it should come as no surprise that it would rely on material produced by other advocacy groups in developing policy recommendations for UN member governments.
In the 1990’s member governments assigned real scientists to participate in the IPCC but these were either pushed out by activists or resigned from the organization when they realized that science was not a priority of the IPCC.
The press has known about this state of affairs and has suppressed it in order to help promote the environmental policies they too advocate. Politicians also have known, but they fear the environmentalists, so did nothing about it.
We have now had two particularly cold winters and a significant economic recession that competes with the environmental agenda for tax dollars.
I think the agenda could have withstood a few more years of cold, but with 10 to 20 percent of the populations of North America and Europe collecting unemployment benefits, even the most resolute of fence sitters has to decide what is more important to their next election contest.
It was inevitable that the climate would eventually show that the IPCC and the AGW movement were making unfounded claims. I suspect the environmentalists believed that once they had the world in their pocket they could just shift their argument, but they only got to the beginning of the end game before the climate changed (how ironic).
The recent revelations regarding the Himalayan glaciers, especially coming after climategate, is however just the beginning of the process of ridding the world of the IPCC and the AGW movement.
The world temperature record and its manipulation in furtherance of the AGW cause is the big target. It is a huge messy database and it is the floor upon which the entire IPCC case rests.
The size and state of the database is what makes it the ideal tool for manipulation. I don’t know for sure if the temperature record has been fraudulently manipulated, but I am fairly certain that only errors that would reduce temperatures have been diligently factored out.
I hope to see Anthony’s project using the US data come out soon. I believe that this work has great potential to open up the global record and give all of us a glimpse of what has really happened with the climate.
An interesting listing of well over a dozen mostly if not totally NON-peer reviewed papers by the WWF or co-authored by the WWF is written of in this post on Bishophill at http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/1/24/the-ipccs-favourite-source.html and expanded upon at http://nofrakkingconsensus.blogspot.com/2010/01/more-dodgy-citations-in-nobel-winning.html
These are cited in the IPCC AR4
Greenpeace articles are also featured in the IPCC report as well.
Citations are also made to articles in Leisure and Event Management.
I wonder what happened to the rigorous peer review process?
Thanks to Canadian blogger Donna Laframboise for tracking these down, and Bishophill for featuring her work.
Bulldust (21:42:12)
The next couple of weeks are going to be very entertaining in Australia. Kevin Rudd will be trying to avoid Lord Monckton, while at the same time having to stay silent on the issue for 13 days. He will also be trying to cover up his personal tour of Pachauri’s TERI facility, the photos of hand shakes with the carbon conman and those pledges of millions of dollars. I don’t think the petulant Penny Wrong will be having a great time either after claiming last week “It [IPCC AR4] has been intensely scrutinised with very few errors being identified, and none that challenge the central conclusions of the report,” and “The Fourth Assessment Report represents the international consensus on climate change science. All reports of the IPCC are subjected to extensive expert and government review.” She may need to brush up on some traditional political moves including “Back flipping weasel” or limber up her wrists for some truly frantic hand waving.
I will try and get to see Lord Monckton on the 27th. Apparently Ian Plimer will be doing the intro. The events of the past few days should make it a very entertaining presentation!
Perhaps I’m going out on a limb here, but even with all the scientists, engineers, and plain ole’ interested folks who have worked so hard to undo the graft of the IPCC and their ilk, there are 2 names which, IMHO, should stand out in history as being cornerstones in the downfall of people like Pachauri and Gore…
Anthony Watts, and Steve McIntyre.
Surely a great debt of thanks is owed to all who have participated, but these two guys, from all I’ve read in all the blogs, are the ones that Pachauri should be dreaming about.
In his cell.
I have noted that the IPCC have the temerity to request of national governments , suitable candidates to prepare AR5 !!!
How credible will the process be? Is this IPCC business as usual and in denial of recent revelations?
Peter from Australia.
(Come on down- the water’s fine!!)
“Perturbed (22:04:24) :
One also wonders what will happen when the Indians realise that the West’s “profligate practices”, which Mr Pachauri calls upon to be stopped, are in the long run what is essential for India’s advancement; both when carried out by other Indians, and when carried out elsewhere by those consuming Indian-manufactured goods.”
Indians know this very well. I worked with a lot of them and just like the Chinese they are eager to achieve the kind of economic success the west has enjoyed. They *love* to make business with us. For them, globalization is a godsend.
TerryBixler (22:11:18) :
Obama and the Democratic Party will do nothing until they see a clear sign that voters will be voting for the opposition in huge numbers.
IPCC lead Author – 2001, 2007 said on Pachauri today, 25 Jan
See http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2010/s2800538.htm
Steve Goddard (20:38:45) :
“Pachauri says the “IPCC’s credibility has increased” as a result of their incompetence and malfeasance.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IPCCs-credibility-has-increased-Pachauri/articleshow/5493066.cms”
The article Steve links to above is a must-read. It is strongly critical of Pachauri, and contains a fair bit of identifying irony and humor. My favorite quotes from the article:
“But while his credibility and that of the IPCC has taken a battering, Pachauri maintains his chutzpah in the face of growing skepticism, arguing that his acceptance that the research on glaciers had been dodgy had actually somehow enhanced the credibility of the body.”
“The fact that IPCC’s own due diligence, verification and monitoring mechanisms may need to be questioned too was not acknowledged by the Nobel prize winning body’s chief. Instead, Pachauri described the IPCC’s processes as “robust and solid”.”
“Facing a barrage of questions from the media about his `loss of credibility’, Pachauri maintained that all “rational people” would continue to repose their faith in IPCC and its findings.”
There’s that “robust” word again. When are they ever going to actually look that word up?
If the IPPC Chairman is found guilty as a result of the investigation for financial irregularities that are underway, he will have no choice but resign, especially if he ends up behind bars, which is where he belongs.
They play on peoples feelings. They take it to the nth degree. Show me the police reports of people being killed by man-made climate change. Show me the police reports of people being killed by man-made global warming. Show me the documentation. You can’t because there are none. It’s all a mind game. In the USA we have laws against one person being damaged by another. It’s called assault and battery and they throw you in jail for it among other things that physically damage another persons well being. My father used to tell me, Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. Now the name calling turns into a psychosis and they try to use that to take away me rights, even though nobody has been damaged. Well, not in the USA buddy. All of us here in this country got to play by the same rules outlined in the US Constitution that guarantee to me that I don’t get stomped on by you and your psychosis. You don’t like it? Go pound sand.
It will be interesting to watch various “Green” related stock issues over the next few weeks as this ponzi scheme implodes. I am not much of a stock watcher but would be interested in hearing comments from those of you who have kept up to date on the normal behavior of alternative energy stocks etc.
Mumbai is 12.5 hours ahead of Mountain time, (5.5 ahead of GMT) so it is midday Monday there right now.
Larry
wws (20:39:04) :
I didn’t vote; I wanted the [snip] option.
After experience with numerous older tomcats and male dogs, I will surmise that after being an adult for that equivalently long time, he will not be noticeably better behaved after the [snip] option.