Told ya so…IPCC to retract claim on Himalayan Glacier Melt – Pachauri's "arrogance" claim backfires

WUWT first reported on this issue on 11/11/2009 and again on 12/22/2009,with

Pachauri claims Indian scientific position “arrogant”

The Himalayas. The IPCC had warned that Himalayan glaciers were receding faster than in any other part of the world and could “disappear altogether by 2035 if not sooner”. Photograph: Wikimedia commons

The head of the IPCC Dr. Rajenda Pachauri had said: India was ‘arrogant’ to deny global warming link to melting glaciers.From the Guardian article:

Two years ago, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the UN agency which evaluates the risk from global warming, warned the glaciers were receding faster than in any other part of the world and could “disappear altogether by 2035 if not sooner”.

Today Ramesh denied any such risk existed: “There is no conclusive scientific evidence to link global warming with what is happening in the Himalayan glaciers.” The minister added although some glaciers are receding they were doing so at a rate that was not “historically alarming”.

However, Rajendra Pachauri, the chairman of the IPCC, told the Guardian: “We have a very clear idea of what is happening. I don’t know why the minister is supporting this unsubstantiated research. It is an extremely arrogant statement.”

We also reported on the finding of Texas state climatologist  John Nielsen-Gammon

Texas State Climatologist: “IPCC AR4 was flat out wrong” – relied on flawed WWF report

Now who looks arrogant?

Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC Chairman

It’s now taken almost a month for the Times to catch up to this issue, and now it has made MSM news. Highlights in excerpts below are mine.

The Times, January 17, 2010

World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown

Jonathan Leake and Chris Hastings

A WARNING that climate change will melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 is likely to be retracted after a series of scientific blunders by the United Nations body that issued it.

Two years ago the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a benchmark report that was claimed to incorporate the latest and most detailed research into the impact of global warming. A central claim was the world’s glaciers were melting so fast that those in the Himalayas could vanish by 2035.

In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC’s 2007 report.

It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.

Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was “speculation” and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research. The IPCC was set up precisely to ensure that world leaders had the best possible scientific advice on climate change.

Professor Murari Lal, who oversaw the chapter on glaciers in the IPCC report, said he would recommend that the claim about glaciers be dropped: “If Hasnain says officially that he never asserted this, or that it is a wrong presumption, than I will recommend that the assertion about Himalayan glaciers be removed from future IPCC assessments.”

The IPCC’s reliance on Hasnain’s 1999 interview has been highlighted by Fred Pearce, the journalist who carried out the original interview for the New Scientist. Pearce said he rang Hasnain in India in 1999 after spotting his claims in an Indian magazine. Pearce said: “Hasnain told me then that he was bringing a report containing those numbers to Britain. The report had not been peer reviewed or formally published in a scientific journal and it had no formal status so I reported his work on that basis. Since then I have obtained a copy and it does not say what Hasnain said. In other words it does not mention 2035 as a date by which any Himalayan glaciers will melt. However, he did make clear that his comments related only to part of the Himalayan glaciers. not the whole massif.”

The New Scientist report was apparently forgotten until 2005 when WWF cited it in a report called An Overview of Glaciers, Glacier Retreat, and Subsequent Impacts in Nepal, India and China. The report credited Hasnain’s 1999 interview with the New Scientist. But it was a campaigning report rather than an academic paper so it was not subjected to any formal scientific review. Despite this it rapidly became a key source for the IPCC when Lal and his colleagues came to write the section on the Himalayas.

When finally published, the IPCC report did give its source as the WWF study but went further, suggesting the likelihood of the glaciers melting was “very high”. The IPCC defines this as having a probability of greater than 90%. The report read: “Glaciers in the Himalaya are receding faster than in any other part of the world and, if the present rate continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at the current rate.”

However, glaciologists find such figures inherently ludicrous, pointing out that most Himalayan glaciers are hundreds of feet thick and could not melt fast enough to vanish by 2035 unless there was a huge global temperature rise. The maximum rate of decline in thickness seen in glaciers at the moment is 2-3 feet a year and most are far lower.

Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, has previously dismissed criticism of the Himalayas claim as “voodoo science”. Last week the IPCC refused to comment so it has yet to explain how someone who admits to little expertise on glaciers was overseeing such a report. Perhaps its one consolation is that the blunder was spotted by climate scientists who quickly made it public.

Pearce said the IPCC’s reliance on the WWF was “immensely lazy” and the organisation need to explain itself or back up its prediction with another scientific source. Hasnain could not be reached for comment.

The revelation is the latest crack to appear in the scientific consensus over climate change. It follows the climate-gate scandal, where British scientists apparently tried to prevent other researchers from accessing key date. Last week another row broke out when the Met Office criticised suggestions that sea levels were likely to rise 1.9m by 2100, suggesting much lower increases were likely.

Read the full article here: World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown


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Andrew S
January 17, 2010 5:21 pm

The story from The Times was reprinted in The Australian newspaper and made front page.

Mick
January 17, 2010 5:21 pm

Arny in PREDATOR: Y o u u g l y ……
I know, sorry couldn’t resist!
Please put the mask back!

pat
January 17, 2010 5:25 pm

anthony,
the nasa giss/kusi story continues to be totally ignored by the MSM. and i mean TOTALLY, apart from delingpole’s blog.
HOWEVER, have u seen this?
NYT: Andrew Revkin: Hansen and Watts Agree: Cold Weather, Warm Climate
Some critics said this was simply Mr. Watts’s trying to cover for his earlier posts on unusual cold and to appear moderate amid all the strident charges that global warming is an outright hoax.
But to my mind, given the depth of the gulf between the perception of climate held by many people and the scientific realities, this is a moment of accord worth noting. …
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/hansen-and-watts-agree-cold-weather-isnt-climate/
u may want to read the FEW comments as well.

Lazarus Long
January 17, 2010 5:25 pm

Voodoo Science, Voodoo Economics, the collectivists are always wrong.

MattN
January 17, 2010 5:25 pm

Yeah, the WWF would never make anything up, right…?

January 17, 2010 5:26 pm

No one will resign or be fired or punished in any way. They will probably get more money for their positions or research just the same as Mike Mann. Governments are mostly corrupt and lots of the folks that work for them.
I have a great attitude-don’t I?

u.k.(us)
January 17, 2010 5:26 pm

accepting a nobel prize is not the same as earning one.

Ron de Haan
January 17, 2010 5:31 pm

It’s a first step but it would be better if the IPCC would retract their entire AGW claims
so we can stop the entire package of Government policies that will kill or economies, from CO2 emission standards for vehicles to the use of bio fuels, wind and solar.
We have 300 years to develop real technologies to replace fossil and abiotic fuels.
Preferably in a free market by free people without any Government meddling.

latitude
January 17, 2010 5:32 pm

““If Hasnain says officially that he never asserted this”
Since when is some great scientific announcement made,
based on just one person’s say so?
“Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist”
and a little known one at that
“the blunder was spotted by climate scientists who quickly made it public”
Horse poop

Not Amused
January 17, 2010 5:35 pm

This is just too much fun watching the flies getting caught and squirming in their spider web of lies…
More more more !!

Another Ian
January 17, 2010 5:38 pm

WWF – doesn’t that stand for “Waiting for the Wheels to Fall off”?

January 17, 2010 5:40 pm

Of course, Prof. Syed Iqbal Hasnain now works for TERI in India.
Probably doesn’t get to pocket a “penny” either, although if we looked at Rupees or US Dollars……..

Anticlimactic
January 17, 2010 5:46 pm

http://www.eu-highnoon.org/nl/25222860-Research_project.html
The principal aim of the project is:
“to assess the impact of Himalayan glaciers retreat and possible changes of the Indian summer monsoon on the spatial and temporal distribution of water resources in Northern India and to provide recommendations for appropriate and efficient response strategies that strengthen the cause for adaptation to hydrological extreme events.”
Critical comment on Pechauri’s involvement :
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/high-noon-for-pachauri.html

January 17, 2010 5:47 pm

It’s time to return the Nobel Prize and face some jail time, you crooks. What a mafia organization the IPCC turned out to be.

Glenn
January 17, 2010 5:59 pm

From Dec 2009
“Murari Lal, a climate expert who was one of the leading authors of the 2007 IPCC report, denied it had its facts wrong about melting Himalayan glaciers.
But he admitted the report relied on non-peer reviewed – or ‘unpublished’ – documents when assessing the status of the glaciers.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8387737.stm

sisyphus
January 17, 2010 5:59 pm

…and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Editor
January 17, 2010 6:03 pm

“Told ya so…IPCC to retract claim on Himalayan Glacier Melt – Pachauri’s “arrogance” claim backfires”
The closest I see to a retraction is from Lal: “If Hasnain says officially that he never asserted this, or that it is a wrong presumption, than I will recommend that the assertion about Himalayan glaciers be removed from future IPCC assessments.”
I wouldn’t call that a retraction. Even removing the assertion is no where near a retraction, it’s just sweeping something under the rug and hoping no one really notices.

Wondering Aloud
January 17, 2010 6:04 pm

“If Hasnain says officially that he never asserted this, or that it is a wrong presumption, than I will recommend that the assertion about Himalayan glaciers be removed from future IPCC assessments.”
What if he doesn’t do this what if he says (as he did) that he did indeed say this? What in blazes does that have to do with it? Isn’t the qusestion “does proper research support the assertion? ” If not shouldn’t the statement and conclusions be retracted and have NOTHING to do with what he said. In fact shouldn’t a rediculous claim like this have been checked before it ever got into any report?

KDK
January 17, 2010 6:09 pm

The UN is totally corrupt and has NO problems in lying, manipulating data and using ‘drs’ and ‘scientists’ that actually PROFIT from their campaigns… swine flu, cap trade, food for oil, etc.
The UN deserves NO slack and should be slain at every opportunity. The UN is just a front, so let’s dismantle it.

Neil Crafter
January 17, 2010 6:14 pm

A very large front page article on this in The Australian today, very good to see.
So the climate scientists that read the IPCC 2007 report that contained this claim ‘quickly made it public’ about 2 and a half years later!! Hate to see how long it would have taken them if they were tardy……

January 17, 2010 6:15 pm

Down goes the Himalayan Glacier “pillar”. This is OT and a few years old, but shouldn’t be missed, proves They did the same shenanigans with hurricane as has now been exposed with Himalayan Glaciers.
Chris Landsea former NOAA and now National Hurricane Center hurricane expert and contributing IPCC author, resigning from IPCC.
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/science_policy_general/000318chris_landsea_leaves.html
Note: The first comments is from William Connolley.
Most interesting is the resignation follow-up email correspondence between Landsea and IPCC notables(aka The Liars Club), including Trenberth and Pauchari. Even includes all the email addy’s for those of you who are looking for pen pals.
Landsea is a Man of Great Character in my book, although I know there are many who resigned rather than go with the gravy train of consensus.
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/ipcc-correspondence.pdf

J.Peden
January 17, 2010 6:17 pm

According to atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh
That J.Peden is not me.
The WWF are among the morons who thought Polar Bears can’t swim very well and implied that Polar Bears automatically begin fasting if their paws touch dry land.

jaypan
January 17, 2010 6:21 pm

There’s a poor guy, Orville Schell, here at
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/07/opinion/main6069933.shtml
who took the Himalayan glaciers as an opener to compare with America’s meltdown. Sad story. Unfortunately published 2 weeks ago. LOL
Maybe he will reconsider the state of this nation now as well.
Must read the introduction. Made my day tonight.

January 17, 2010 6:21 pm

Patrick Davis (17:15:57) :
I really wish more stories like this are covered by the MSM in Australia before the Federal Govn’t tries to ram it’s ETS through the Senate in February.

Exactly. The Australian newspaper ran it as their lead page 1 story this morning:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/united-nations-blunder-on-glaciers-exposed/story-e6frg6n6-1225820614171
That’s about 2% of Australia’s population who are informed (i.e the weekday readership of The Australian newspaper).
Let’s see how much coverage is given to the story later today by Australia’s mainstream electronic media, which usually broadcasts entertainment masquerading as journalism. Put a celebrity on a glacier and the story might get coverage.
The Australian Broadcasting Corporation may run the story because they have enough adequately trained journalists to overcome their pro-AGW bias.
If the ABC does broadcast, combined with the readership of The Australian, that’ll mean about 20% of the Australian population is properly informed.
Watch the commercial TV news tonight to see if the story has any penetration with the voters, and thus any influence on the politicians.

Editor
January 17, 2010 6:21 pm

Sordnay (17:18:11) :

I would like your opinion about this mail http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/1/FOIA/mail/0880476729.txt
(note: on eastangliaemails this email only contains Tom’s answer, i find it also interesting the document they endorsed (might be the begining of the climate politics epoch?), and btw why it’s not full on eastangliaemails?)

Files like http://eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=40&filename=880476729.txt have a serious bug – the program that created the web site stopped copying the file when it reached a character that isn’t in the 95 printable character ASCII set. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascii
assassinationscience.com doesn’t do much better, it replaces them with a funky question mark, at least that what I see. In my file (from the Russian .ZIP file), I have “Jill Jäger” which should print as “Jill Jäger”. There are several international characters in that file, it’s a bit unfortunate that people can’t read the files as they were intended to be seen.