TV News report on Penn State's Mann

Professor Michael Mann Photo Courtesy Penn State

Paul Chesser at the American Spectator tips me via email to a TV news report from WHTM-TV in Harrisburg, PA. WHTM is the TV station whose DMA covers State College.

Chesser writes:

Following up from yesterday, the ABC news station in Harrisburg did a fair-and-balanced story about the Commonwealth Foundation‘s call for an outside, independent investigation of Penn State’s Climategate scientist, Michael Mann.

Here’s the video news report:

Transcript here:

ABC27: Penn State at Center of Global Warming Debate

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tokyoboy

So this makes “Mann made global warming” a genuine technical term?

Michael

Lisa Powers,
When exactly will Penn State’s review of the case be complete?
It’s really not that complicated.
Let us here at WUWT clustersource any difficulties you may be having and delaying the report on your investigation.
Please submit all e-mail and data you have concerning the investigation immediately so we can help you expedite the investigation in a timely manner.
Thank You
MJN

theduke

How refreshing. An investigation that doesn’t drag on for years. We will know what they’ve learned by the end of the month. I hope the university understands that it’s best interests are not necessarily served by bowing to the huge amounts of research funding that have been awarded in this particular case.

Vote Quimby

or is that Man(n) made global warming tb? 🙂

Harold Vance

Penn State has just as much invested in Airports Globally Warming as Mann. Odds favor a white-wash.

GeneDoc

Anyone know why he left UVa? Looks like it was in the fall of 2005 around the time he was defending the hockey stick in front of the US Congress. As an alumnus of Virginia, I’m glad he’s not there!

theduke

The spokesman for the Commonwealth Foundation accused Mann of destroying data. I’m not sure there was any evidence of that in the emails. Anyone recall anything like that being discussed in the emails? Or Mann being accused of that in other circumstances?
@ Michael (19:08:33) : the video stated that the investigation was due to be completed by the end of the month.

John from MN

No Hockey Stick here………400 years of accurate records in Central England…..Shows no influence from Co2……..John…..
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0120a7c87805970b-pi

Doug in Seattle

“The truth will come out” she says. I hope so, but do not expect Penn State to be the organization responsible.

tfp

Commonwealth Foundation? Would that be:
http://www.commonwealthfoundation.com/about/
or
http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/about/
I didn’t even know there was a commonwealth associated with the USA

savethesharks

I really have come to HATE the smirk Michael Mann has on his face.
It is a similar smirk to that of Gavin Schmidt…..and Phil Jones…..and Kevin Trenberth….and Ben Santer….etc…..et al…..ad nauseum.
Anyone else ever notice that pattern?
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Mike Bryant

Tokyoboy… I have a feeling that Mann-made global warming won’t translate into Japanese… of course I could be wrong… 🙂

Bob

This exchange was in the emails:
May 29, 2008: email 1212063122
Phil Jones writes to Mike Mann the email that will provide his prosecutors with their easiest conviction:
“Mike,
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith regarding the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment—minor family crisis.
Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address.
We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.”
Mike Mann’s response provides similar assistance to his prosecutors: “I’ll contact Gene about this as soon as possible.”

Bob

My post above was supposed to be in reply to theduke’s questions at 19:22:46.

James Chamberlain

Penn State will white wash. There is no reason they will do otherwise.

theduke

tfp (19:27:23) :
Massachussetts, Pennsylvania, and I believe Virginia were all originally commonwealths before the Revolution and continue to use that term to describe themselves.

tokyoboy

Mike Bryant (19:32:00) :
“Tokyoboy… I have a feeling that Mann-made global warming won’t translate into Japanese… of course I could be wrong… :)”
Well it’s not very easy, but I’ll try.

Patrick Davis

“savethesharks (19:31:43) :
I really have come to HATE the smirk Michael Mann has on his face.
It is a similar smirk to that of Gavin Schmidt…..and Phil Jones…..and Kevin Trenberth….and Ben Santer….etc…..et al…..ad nauseum.
Anyone else ever notice that pattern?
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA”
Yes I have, and it too annoys me. You just know the lies behind the grins.
I too smell a whitewash here as with Jones and the CRU. Too few people and too many politicians have too much invested in this lie (Revenue stream) to change anything, even in the long term.

Ben

See link for reference to email sent to Mann regarding destroying information. Mann acknowledged the request, confirmed that he forwarded it on to another person.
The Title of the item is as follows and the link is below:
Details emerge on PSU investigation of Mann
November 30, 10:03 AMEssex County Conservative ExaminerTerry Hurlbut
http://tinyurl.com/yk3rrlp

mpaul

“Massachussetts, Pennsylvania, and I believe Virginia were all originally commonwealths before the Revolution and continue to use that term to describe themselves.”
Kentucky is also a commonwealth. The correct answer to ‘how many states are there in the US?’ is 46.

Bill in Vigo

I have a suspision that the elections in November might have a great deal to do with the status of any investigation performed both concerning Dr. Mann and very possibly one that might be aimed at Dr. Schmidt. (I hope that is spelled correctly). There may very well be a new “consensus” that truly makes a difference after November. We shall have to wait and see.
Bill Derryberry

Ben

For reference, the TV station in question covers perhaps the largest concentration of Penn State fans/alums, who are in the Harrisburg area.
Of course Harrisburg is also the PA capital city, so the legislator who is head of the Education Committee is also shown. He has already sent word to Penn State that if a satisfactory review is not made, the legislators may take action.
Also for what it is worth – WHTM is the local Harrisburg, PA ABC TV station. It has traditionally had strong coverage of Penn State sports in South Central PA.
The individual delivering that news has been a long time sports reporter and has covered Penn State. WHTM’s broadcast range does not however extend to the main Penn State campus, which is farther north in University Park, PA. Just to clarify the comment about PSU and Harrisburg being in the same DMA. Maybe so, but the TV broadcast signal does not extend from Harrisburg to the main campus and PSU broadcasts do not reach Harrisburg.

Although Michael Mann should be held accountable for his actions, the real culprits are those politicians and NAS members who used their control over federal research funds to train literally thousands of scientists to respond to promises of research grants the way that Pavlov’s dogs responded to promises of dog biscuits.
Michael Mann is one of many puppets in the climate scam.
The climate scam is but one of many science scams
Who spends our tax funds for flawed research?
That is the $10,000 question.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA PI for Apollo

Iren

James Chamberlain (19:43:00) :
Penn State will white wash. There is no reason they will do otherwise.

Ethics, integrity and their good reputation?

Doug in Seattle

Bill in Vigo (20:11:55) :
I have a suspision that the elections in November might have a great deal to do with the status of any investigation performed both concerning Dr. Mann and very possibly one that might be aimed at Dr. Schmidt. (I hope that is spelled correctly). There may very well be a new “consensus” that truly makes a difference after November. We shall have to wait and see.
Bill Derryberry

One should always hope for the best and expect the worst.
If climategate still exists as an issue in November, I will be very pleasantly surprised.

SteveSadlov

Wow … it’s got legs.

Peter of Sydney

The truth will come out? Are they blind? The truth has already come out for all to see. Only the blind can’t see it. Mann should be trialled for fraud. The evidence is clear. Just needs to be taken to a court of law.

theduke

@ mpaul (19:58:35) :
I should have known that. I went to college in Ky in the late 60s. Centre College of Ky.
46 states, eh? Whodathunkit? What about the Kingdom of Hawaii? ( Just kidding.)

mpaul

I just went over to Wikipedia to view the Climategate page…I wish I hadn’t. The page is now called “Climatic Research Unit hacking incident”, presents as a ‘fact’ that the emails were hacked, and uses Mann’s defense of ‘trick’ and ‘hide the decline’ verbatim, despite Wikipedia’s rules about no primary sources.
These people are shameless.

Robert M

James Chamberlain,
Ethics? Integrity? Reputation?
Sorry, If Penn State had any of those things Mann would have been axed after the Wegman investigation.

Hank Henry

I don’t mind Mann’s smile. If the university looks at Mann’s emails at Penn State and finds more of this stuff on trying to delete emails to foil a Freedom of Information request how can they whitewash it? Wouldn’t they be afraid it could come out later in a congressional hearing or perhaps a future leak? Maybe the question is whether Penn State should have the right to examine Mann’s emails at their university.

I really have come to HATE the smirk Michael Mann has on his face.

My guess is that Mann was picked on quite a bit in grade school. That, coupled with premature baldness, led to an extreme psychosis.

Pamela Gray

I think this is a lesson for all of us to learn. We may not claim this for ourselves but we should. Belief trumps data. There are those among us skeptics whose hands are in this same cookie jar. The data isn’t there but we believe anyway.
Can we be as skeptical of our belief in own point of view as we are of AGW? If not, we are no better theorists than the ones being investigated. Do I believe it’s the Sun? The oceans? Land use? Planetary gravity? Atmospheric oscillations? Cozmos’ moon? How well would my theory hold up under such a white hot magnifying glass?

Bulldust

tfp (19:27:23) :
Commonwealth Foundation @ org… see the board of directors:
http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/about/page/board-of-directors
Mr. Matthew J. Brouillette (President & CEO) was the chap on the video.
PS> Where does one go to get one of the hockey sticks? Would Mike sign them if you walked up to him in the street?

Baa Humbug

With any investigation, if the possible results include damage to the hierachy (investigators, uni boards etc) a level of whitwash will occur, even if to delay the truth long enough to allow some future wriggle room for the hierachy.
If however any possible benefit is to be gained by the hierachy, then a whitewash is less likely. I think I made sense.
e.g. “All the evidence provided to us by the experts point to weapons of mass destruction” etc
We need to elaborate on the benefits of a true open investigation.

mr.artday

That’s the liberal smirk, they all do it. It is based on a false self-assement of their intelligence. If you find a large picture of the expression, cover the mouth and look at the eyes, then cover the eyes and look at the mouth. They don’t match, Dr. Paul Ekman has a book on that covers what that mismatch signals.

TennDon

Indeed, odds do favor a whitewash. Penn State could find itself owing all those federal grant dollars back to the people of the USA. BIG incentive for a cover-up, doncha think?

savethesharks

Pamela Gray (20:46:33) :
“I think this is a lesson for all of us to learn. We may not claim this for ourselves but we should. Belief trumps data. There are those among us skeptics whose hands are in this same cookie jar. The data isn’t there but we believe anyway.
Can we be as skeptical of our belief in own point of view as we are of AGW? If not, we are no better theorists than the ones being investigated. Do I believe it’s the Sun? The oceans? Land use? Planetary gravity? Atmospheric oscillations? Cozmos’ moon? How well would my theory hold up under such a white hot magnifying glass?”

Great points.
Which is why, at the end of the day, no matter what the truth turns up, our highest responsibility is to the truth of the matter, whatever it may be.
Which is why one must always take the time to stand outside oneself and try to examine what you know and what you believe….and to be able to dispassionately distinguish between the two.
The SM at work really….your own personal, internal, SM.
It is hard to get past the natural human predilections in favor of cognitive dissonance and other maladies of our species, such as group-think and mass delusion.
But once you do, a whole new vista opens up. Maybe….just maybe….we are evolving.
The fact that the current orthodoxy which says Mann is the best there is….is proof that we are in a de-volved state and sites like this one (WUWT)that push forward…may offer something better.
Cheers.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Pamela Gray

Self-righteous belief in liberalism/conservatism (take your pick) is no better than self-righteous belief in AGW/NCV (Natural Climate Variability). To accuse the other side of such belief while you yourself wallow in it leaves one to wonder, who among us can argue the opposite side without soiling our own pants?

savethesharks

Patrick Davis said: “I too smell a whitewash here as with Jones and the CRU. Too few people and too many politicians have too much invested in this lie (Revenue stream) to change anything, even in the long term.”
Trust me, Patrick, besides you and me, there are plenty of other chaps (and chapesses) who are fed up with Gavin Schmidt’s taxpayer-funded smirk!!
Their reign is over.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Peter of Sydney

It may be hard for many to be objective about all this but it’s not hard for me. I’ve researched much of the evidence on both sides and it’s clear to me the case for the AGW thesis is not only weak but in some cases fraudulent. If real evidence is ever brought forward to show that AGW is likely but not necessarily proven, I would switch in an instant to the other side. Until that happens, I am objective enough to see through the scams and know that evidence such as Mann’s tree ring studies are a fraud, or at best the result of a delusional mind.

savethesharks

But better make sure, just because ‘their’ reign is over, that we don’t spiral down into something worse.
I mean….remember the idea of siding with Stalin to defeat Hitler.
Such is the complexities of our species. Hopefully we will learn from our mistakes.
We just need to get the bureacrascientists, like Mann out of the way.
Science and the method it employs….is the only bastion of hope in homo sapiens amygdala-generated early existence.
Long live the SM!
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Baa Humbug

Pamela Gray (20:46:33) :
The point is, skeptics do not have to prove anything. They just have to disprove, or in the very least cast enough doubts about the “proof” that proponents present.
An analogy, if I told you kitchen sinks will fall from the sky on January 25th causing immense damage, you don’t have to “prove” with science that it’s not gunna happen. You will demand MY proof. If you debunk my proof or cast doubt over it, my thesis fails.
Regards “belief”. The IPCC has NEVER had solid evidence that CO2 is a culprit. But they have had the BELIEF that it is. So for 20 years they have been trying to fit whatever ‘evidence” they can find to that belief, including torturing and misrepresenting data.
Climate being one of the most complicated of earthly sciences, proof has been difficult to gather, belief is what’s been driving the issue, solidly supported by politicians and advocacy groups for whatever agendas they pursue. Take away the support by politicians and the whole thing will disappear into the backwaters of science and science blogs.
It will only take one government to fall due to AGW and the rest will pull their heads in very very quickly.

savethesharks

Just for clarification…translation: “SM” stands for Scientific Method not for some other thing you dirty minds may be thinking. LOL
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

rbateman

savethesharks (19:31:43) :
Yes, it is a smirk, and quite bothersome I might add.
It has none of the genuine seriousness that I see on men of science that I have met in real life.
I daresay there is a political taunting in those faces, and some of the debates I have seen between warmists and skeptics, it’s plain to see who comes off with an air of superiority.

brc

I think it’s a fair enough comment to wait until the university releases its report before commenting on the findings. While it’s easy to say they won’t be impartial, I’m sure they’ve carefully weighed up the problems with a whitewash and with a condenmnation, and know the eyes of the world are on them. I say give them time to complete their review and release it, and then start making comments.
However, I think it’s fair enough to do a separate enquiry, as long as it’s not also able to have claims of bias levelled at it. How one would achieve that in the current climate, I do not know.

savethesharks

Jeff Alberts: My guess is that Mann was picked on quite a bit in grade school. That, coupled with premature baldness, led to an extreme psychosis.
Hey…..I didn’t mean it all like that, yo. LOL. I was pretty much bald by the time I was 25….but I don’t have an extreme psychosis.
Or do I??? Nah. Just passion. And regardless of Mann, for the rest of us bald guys…don’t **** with us LOL.
Check out this new youtube warning to Al Gore (and, indirectly, to Michael Mann and the team). From the looks of him…when push comes to shove…I want him on my side.
Very true….ala the Viscount Monckton of Brenchley….but very darkly funny at the same time:

Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

astonerii

If it was not for the federal government putting a hold on destroying information, the investigation from the University would have been nothing but a pure whitewash and office shredder hey day.
No guarantee though that it might not still be that. My suspicion is that the University will find only minor problems, and Obama and his inspector generals will decide there is nothing there to investigate, allowing the wholesale destruction of real evidence prior to an honest government taking over in late 2010 or 2012.

Ok, I want one of those little hockey stick props that said “Mann made global warming”!!!!!!

savethesharks

rbateman (21:25:50) :
Well said. Agreed.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA