Climategate—The CTM story

Me ~ ctm

by charles the moderator

Many of you know me by my sometimes flippant moderation comments here.  Sometimes concern is expressed over my anonymity since Anthony occasionally berates some who comment here for hiding behind anonymous Internet handles.  Anthony long ago accepted my personal reasons for maintaining my anonymity and I have personally contacted others who expressed concerns and have given them explanations to which no one to date has refused to accept.

I am the head moderator here, with administrative as well as moderation privileges.  I supervise the other moderators and sometimes publish posts, or correct typos as needed.  Despite the accusations from Drs. Mann, Hansen et al., I have yet to meet my corporate overlords, view my directives from above, or receive a single cent for my hundreds of hours of services.

Here’s the story of how I was one of the very first to see the CRU files and what transpired.

On Tuesday November 17th I was at my desk, browsing the web and moderating at the same time when the now infamous post came in from user FOIA at 6:25 PST.

We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps.

We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents.

Hopefully it will give some insight into the science and the people behind it.

This is a limited time offer, download now:


0926010576.txt * Mann: working towards a common goal

… and so on.

As I noted previously in The CRUtape Letters™, an Alternative Explanation, when I saw this comment I immediately embargoed the comment and placed warning brackets around it for the other moderators. I have been a ‘net user long enough to be very very concerned about downloading files off a Russian server, so the first thing I was concerned about was that this was an attack on us and our users. I downloaded the file and scanned it for viruses and Trojans and it came up clean. Then I stated viewing the contents and once I saw what we had, I started firing off emails to Anthony who was in Europe at the time – such as this one less than 2 hours later:

From me:

It looks real. It looks like it contains code from MBH 98 to CRU indexes. It has over a thousand emails.

And this a few minutes later.

From me:

No bad stuff detected. This from a real mole or one of the most elaborate hoaxes ever produced.

emails from Mann, Briffa, Jones.

Reviews of papers by Jones. Code and much much more.

Anthony Watts – wrote:

ok you’ve opened it I take it? No virus or trojan detected?


I talked to Anthony on the phone and we decided not to go public until Anthony returned, for all sorts of reasons including potential legal issues. In this first couple of hours I also burned a CD for Steven Mosher and gave it to him, and I also contacted Steven McIntyre.  I swore both of them to secrecy until Anthony returned from Europe and he could be fully involved in the process. At this time none of us knew of the upload to or had noticed the “a miracle just happened” post on We believed we were exclusively sitting on The Pentagon Papers of our decade and had no knowledge that links were disseminated elsewhere.

For the next day the two Steve’s were constantly on the phone, with Mosher reading email after email to McIntyre.  I had not given the link to Mosher as I was trying to control any traceable spread of the information. We had no idea where this was all headed and caution was in order.  I made Steven Mosher promise to not electronically send a copy to Steve McIntyre, but I gave him a CD he could ship to McIntyre as long as it arrived after Anthony had returned from Europe.  They were extremely anxious to go public and Mosher kept begging me for permission and my response was very low key. “If this is as important as it appears to be, then two or three days won’t make any difference, besides, we need to keep my word to Anthony”.

Then on the morning of the 19th we became aware that CRU was in lockdown mode and sending word that files were circulating on the Internet. I immediately found the comment on Jeff ID’s site by simply doing a Google search on the ftp site link.  Jeff hadn’t noticed this post because he was out hunting during the above period. This was a game changer, CRU was trying to lock down the files and we were not exclusively in possession. Anthony was in the air about to land in Dulles but the cat was now out of the bag and Steve Mosher started posting on Lucia’s blog and about the same time I posted an email on Bishop Hill’s blog in the Caspar and the Jesus paper thread under the username devilinthedetails.  I believe Steve Mosher may have contacted Tom Fuller around the same time.

Just as this was all breaking open, our anonymous leaker expressed concern that their revelations were being ignored or missed, a comment which I no longer have as I overwrote it  with the following:

FOIA (13:16:16) : edit

[A lot is happening behind the scenes. It is not being ignored. Much is being coordinated among major players and the media. Thank you very much. You will notice the beginnings of activity on other sites now. Here soon to follow. ~ ctm]

Now I get to go all Andy Rooney Paul Harvey [D’0h! ~ ctm]  on y’all. Many wonder why I selected Steven Mosher to be the first recipient of the files. Well, I knew he was eminently qualified to examine them, much more qualified than myself. Proximity was also a factor.  Steve Mosher is my roommate. So I saw him sweating on the phone with Steve McIntyre for a day and a half while I was calmly making coffee in the kitchen espousing patience. And since this story is too important to have any contributors remain anonymous, my name is Charles Rotter and I live in San Francisco. And that’s the rest of the story.

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January 13, 2010 4:49 pm

You da Man.

Henry chance
January 13, 2010 4:49 pm

I remember Anthony saying he was in the airport and also following posts of readers claiming this could not be real. What was said in the e-mails was too revealing and incriminating. Things are not the same now.
Every graph, chart and claim by the warmists can include cooked data.

January 13, 2010 4:52 pm

Damn it Charles, I always knew you could be a ‘rotter’ 😉
P.S. Sorry, couldn’t resist it 🙂

January 13, 2010 4:52 pm

Thank you Charles! I and millions of others thank you, Anthony, the two Steves, etc. Climategate will hopefully now displace the Piltdown man in school textbooks as the greatest of scientific frauds!

January 13, 2010 4:53 pm

“or correct typos as needed. ”
“Then I stated viewing ”
Repy: Yup. ~ ctm

January 13, 2010 4:55 pm

Pleased to meet you, Charles. Climategate was, and still is, a complex messy issue.

Frank K.
January 13, 2010 5:02 pm

Thanks for the story Charles, and thanks for all of your contributions to WUWT!
Frank K. (from chilly NH)

January 13, 2010 5:05 pm

Well hello Charles Rotter from San Fran. Very nice to meet your acquaintance. And I believe you are doing a fantastic job!

January 13, 2010 5:06 pm

…while I was calmly making coffee in the kitchen espousing patience.
Wonderful! Charles, and brilliantly written!

January 13, 2010 5:07 pm

Is that anything to do with “rotten” ice, or merely a coincidence?

David Alan Evans
January 13, 2010 5:10 pm

Just so I’m not anonymous either.
Born, (hatched?), Catcliffe just outside Sheffield U.K. currently living in Peterlee, Co. Durham.

Rick K
January 13, 2010 5:14 pm

Thank you, Charles. It’s a pleasure meeting you.
I deeply appreciate your work and dedicated effort. You have done so much to bring knowledge and truth to the light of day.
My simple note of thanks seems so pathetic compared to what you have done… but “thank you” anyway!
Warm Regards,

January 13, 2010 5:14 pm


David Alan Evans
January 13, 2010 5:17 pm

One thing I hope Charles, is that by revealing your identity, you haven’t harmed your position in any way.

January 13, 2010 5:18 pm

amazing story, charles. thanx to all of u.
now wouldn’t it be wonderful if penn state’s report is titled “Mann-Made Global Warming”:
ABC27: Penn State at Center of Global Warming Debate
Penn State spokeswoman Lisa Powers says results of the inquiry are due by the end of January.
“We would hope that the Commonwealth Foundation would wait until Penn State’s review of the case is complete before condemning it,” she said. “We have, in the past, handled complaints and handled them well and handled them fairly.”..

Dave Worley
January 13, 2010 5:18 pm

“Despite the accusations from Dr’s. Mann, Hansen et al, I have yet to meet my corporate overlords, view my directives from above, or receive a single cent for my hundreds of hours of services.”
As a participant in one of the few remaining industries producing an essential product in the USA, I resent the implication that as a provider of energy I am somehow barred from participation in the discussion. I am being accused of participating in a crime against nature, and I have the right, if not the obligation, to present an agrument in my defense.
It shames me that many major fossil fuel providers have either cowered in the corner, or have have themselves found ways to exploit this common, irrational fear for the sake of profit.

January 13, 2010 5:19 pm

Charles, great job. Respect and thank you.

January 13, 2010 5:20 pm

Charles, thanks for your hard work moderating the endless posts of the biggest climate blog on earth. WUWT is #1 for a reason and it will stay that way as long as you guys have the energy.
Now our names are both out there, I’m being questioned by British anti/pro-terror cops (not too serious yet), perhaps it’s time you change your name. Don’t worry though, no more than a hundred thousand people know who CTM is. — um today anyway.

January 13, 2010 5:25 pm

care to take a stab at who or what was the leaker?? I’ve heard many theories ranging from disillusioned scientist to a govt agency to the common man. Since Deep Throat has died, who is this generation’s Deep Throat??

David Alan Evans
January 13, 2010 5:26 pm

Kaboom (17:07:11) :

Is that anything to do with “rotten” ice, or merely a coincidence?

No, it’s Rotter ice, an even more insidious variety of ever increasing intensity & thickness. Much like that in the Arctic now. 😉

January 13, 2010 5:27 pm

Thank you for the story and the revelations!

Gary Hladik
January 13, 2010 5:27 pm

“Steve Mosher is my roommate.”
Aha! Denier conspiracy! I knew it! 🙂
Thanks for all your hard work, Charles, you and everyone involved with WUWT.

Michael A. La Pean
January 13, 2010 5:28 pm

You live in San Francisco? Aren’t they going to kick you out of the bay area for being a skeptic. I would watch it they may have green goon squads follow you by noon tomorrow.
Thanks for the hard work everyone involved in this website and the exposure of the climate-gate files.

January 13, 2010 5:30 pm

“From Probe International:
Who is cashing in on carbon credits? Probe International unveils its interactive carbon credit database: To help keep track of dealings and hold accountable parties that are buying and selling these carbon credits, Probe International has created an interactive Carbon Credits Database. The database provides a comprehensive list and associated documentation of all the projects around the globe that have received carbon credits through the UN’s Clean Development Mechanism (CDM).”
Backgrounder: A Roundup up of Carbon Fraud Reports

Calvin Ball
January 13, 2010 5:30 pm

Egad. I can’t imagine rooming with Mosher. How many times can you listen to the one about the mohel?

January 13, 2010 5:35 pm

Is that your picture as well? Nothing like coming out of the closet with a bang. Welcome to the light of day, friend. You and Mosh did damn good. If there is any kick-back on this, please keep us informed. Some of us can kick back, too.

Mike Bryant
January 13, 2010 5:37 pm

Adding my thanks to all the others, you guys ROCK!!

January 13, 2010 5:38 pm

Is that a cellphone picture of you?
Either you’ve lost a little weight, or the fisheye lens looks good on you.
Reply: I’ve lost weight since the last time you saw me. We should all meet up in Rio again soon. I didn’t make it for my 10 year anniversary. ~ ctm

David Ball
January 13, 2010 5:38 pm

C-Mod, you truly rock !! If you are ever in Calgary, look me up, I’ll buy you a Big Rock Ale or a Pilsner ( this is Pilsner country, after all )…. Dave
Reply: Hmmm..Banff in the early summer is not to be missed. ~ ctm

January 13, 2010 5:39 pm

Charles, I forgive you for all those times you [snip]ed me!!!!!!

January 13, 2010 5:39 pm

Outstanding job! Life is very much like a beach. Many times you eat sand and swallow salt water, rarely there’s an indiscribeable sunrise. G’day!

John P.
January 13, 2010 5:40 pm

Nice to meet you Charles, you guys at WUWT have made me miss Michael Crichton. I crave DATA! P.S. I just bought yall some coffee, I hope more of us lurkers do also. Thanks!

Milwaukee Bob
January 13, 2010 5:41 pm

Well, a BIG “Thank You” from Florida Mr. Rotter. I am humbled and awed in your cyber presence. You, Steve and Anthony keep up the good work. And be sure to say “Hi” to all my friends in the SF area. Just shout out the window, they’re all around and they’ll hear you. ☺ Next time I’m there visiting the kids, it would be my honor to buy you and Steve a perfectly chilled – – – well, whatever would be your pleasure. There’s a great little bistro in Glen Park, Le P’tit Laurent, that has an excellent selection. Great food too! Opps, sorry. I guess that’s a bit OT…..

Lord Taylor
January 13, 2010 5:42 pm

This story just gets better and better.

January 13, 2010 5:42 pm

Thanks for the post, CTM, and thanks for all your moderation efforts.

January 13, 2010 5:43 pm

Being anonymous isn’t a big issue in this context, particularly as a moderator. Tamino is anonyomous too and no one makes a big deal about that.

January 13, 2010 5:44 pm

Who’s patience and is she cute?

January 13, 2010 5:45 pm

“And since this story is too important to have any contributors remain anonymous, my name is Charles Rotter and I live in San Francisco”
Thank You Charles for your tireless unpaid efforts. I would never have guessed you live in SF.
I remember the evening thread when WUWT got involved in the Climategate saga.
This should help refresh our memory of that faithful evening.
Enron Andersen’s Christmas Party

January 13, 2010 5:46 pm

Now I get to go all Andy Rooney on y’all. . . .
And that’s the rest of the story.

For the sake of historical accuracy, I think you mean “go all Paul Harvey”. That was his famous tag line. : )
And, since you are quite obviously tenacious and loyal to the cause of Good Climate Science, I hearby nickname you “The ClimateRotterweiler”.
Reply: D’oh ~ ctm

January 13, 2010 5:46 pm

I luv it – true confessions at wuwt, although they pale compared to those at CRU (PSU, NASA, DOE, etc. – ongoing)! CTM, you’ve very competently enjoyed a fantastically historical moment – and thank you for allowing us to share it more completely with you.
It does seem this entire episode could make a good movie, certainly a docu-movie, at least and would be of significant historical importance. I believe this project would help to check any further climate science abuse/exploitation and would be quite justified, hopefully profitable, fulfilling and enjoyable.
Come on, let’s do it! Surely, we have some producers online here. If not, what the hell – it could be done, and well for sure.
And a tip of the hat to all those other major players who continue to make the world safer for all us temperature moderates.

Mark Pollock
January 13, 2010 5:50 pm

Well done, a great story and it’s not even over.

Ron de Haan
January 13, 2010 5:51 pm

Love all of your work.

John from MN
January 13, 2010 5:51 pm

Well I did just find these central England Record quite facinating. No Hocekey stick and no fiddling with the numbers and no UIHE…John……..805970b-pi

January 13, 2010 5:56 pm

Now even history is being written differently, let alone science. Peer-reviewed construction of history?
The evening of Nov. 19 is one of those outstanding ‘where were you when’ moments that I’ll never forget. I arrived late for my WUWT fix from a day in the archives, and it took the utmost self-discipline to turn off the computer for the night – I’ve hardly stopped grinning since then. Charles, how you and the other moderators survived the deluge from then until things calmed down around the New Year I’ll never understand. Well done for maintaining a stellar, block-busting, intelligent, and civil website that doubles as the new frontier in investigative journalism (if ‘journalism’ is not now too demeaning a term for what you do).

Ron de Haan
January 13, 2010 5:56 pm

Obviously Coleman is on to something!

January 13, 2010 5:57 pm

has anyone posted this new “catastrophe”??? i recall some months ago WUWT was asking ??? about this glacier:
13 Jan: New Scientist: Shanta Barley: Major Antarctic glacier is ‘past its tipping point’
A major Antarctic glacier has passed its tipping point, according to a new modelling study. After losing increasing amounts of ice over the past decades, it is poised to collapse in a catastrophe that could raise global sea levels by 24 centimetres.
Pine Island glacier (PIG) is one of many at the fringes of the West Antarctic ice sheet. In 2004, satellite observations showed that it had started to thin, and that ice was flowing into the Amundsen Sea 25 per cent faster than it had 30 years before…
The team that carried out the study admits their model can represent only a simplified version of the physics that govern changes in glaciers, but say that if anything, the model is optimistic and PIG will disappear faster than it projects.
Richard Katz of the University of Oxford and colleagues developed the model to explore whether the retreat of the “grounding line” – the undersea junction at which a floating ice shelf becomes an ice sheet grounded on the sea bed – could cause ice sheets to collapse.

January 13, 2010 5:58 pm

I think it’s more Paul Harvey (…rest of the story) than Andy Rooney, but, regardless, a very good and interesting story it is. Thank you for sharing Charles.
Reply: D’oh ~ ctm

January 13, 2010 5:58 pm

If I could, I would vote for you guys at WUWT, ClimateAudit and elsewhere to receive MacArthur Foundation grants. The work you do is selfless and priceless. Thank you.

Dan Lee
January 13, 2010 6:00 pm

Awesome! Great job man, way to keep your cool.

George E. Smith
January 13, 2010 6:03 pm

Well old chap; others can call you a rotter; but you’ll always be just Chasmod to me.
And thanks for putting up with us some of the time.

Peter of Syndey
January 13, 2010 6:04 pm

You deserve a Nobel Price for Truth, Justice and the People’s way.

Peter of Syndey
January 13, 2010 6:06 pm

I meant to say Nobel Prize. Anyway, good work Charles. We need more people like you.

January 13, 2010 6:08 pm

can’t resist this one:
WSJ: The Climate is Changing
When I say the climate is changing, I do not mean, as many people do, that man-made global warming is destroying Planet Earth. I mean that the politics of climate change is changing rapidly all over the globe. Al Gore’s moment has come and gone..

Don B
January 13, 2010 6:10 pm

Thanks for everything, ctm.

January 13, 2010 6:12 pm

“BOULDER – The sun may finally be awakening from its longest quiet period in about a century and powering up to solar maximum, when it could fling disruptive electromagnetic storms toward Earth.
But once the sun does ramp up, it could be a relatively quiet solar maximum, with a below-average number of eruptions, scientists say.
Some researchers argue the sun has begun to enter solar maximum; others say it’s not there yet. They do agree the current quiet period, or solar minimum, is the longest since the early 1900s, but they don’t know why.”
Sun may soon send storms toward Earth

pete m
January 13, 2010 6:13 pm

lol at your website, charles.
Are you the author too of those books at Barnes and Noble?
Commisserations on living with Moshpit!
Reply: Those books were written in another life as contract work and I receive no royalties for them, so don’t rush out and buy them on my account. However, the ones for first graders aren’t bad if you have money to throw around. ~ ctm

January 13, 2010 6:16 pm

This puzzles me a bit. In many instances it is said that the document file had showed up first on a small server in Tomsk, Russia, in the night of 19 Novemver (local time). So this is now wrong, and the document actually had gone into the Russian server ON or BEFORE 17 November from CRU ??

January 13, 2010 6:17 pm

Once again, we see that bloggers are showing more journalistic integrety than the ‘real’ ones. Your caution is to be commended, and the site appreciated. I post by a nickname on the rare occasion I do, but never have anything appreciable to add to the conversations, and don’t like the attacking that can happen on the intrawebs. Should I ever get an epiphany, or go full on attack, I’ll be happy to put my real name. 🙂

January 13, 2010 6:18 pm

This has been a fascinating saga, and you, (Charles), Steve Mosher, Steven McIntyre, and Anthony have all been professional, cautious, and reasonable about it. You did the right thing, and there must have been some hours where you were quivering with excitement to get the information out.
Once again, Best Science Blog worthy, and thank you for the trip. It’s something that we will tell our grandchildren about.

January 13, 2010 6:19 pm

Thank you Charles. There is not much more to be said.

January 13, 2010 6:20 pm

You guys are the best. Thanks for all of the herculean efforts to disseminate the TRUTH.
Norfolk, VA, USA

January 13, 2010 6:22 pm

You are my hero, in a world devoid of heroes, and may have saved civilization from the tax-and-spend crazies in the UN and elsewhere in the world.

Dennis P. Barlow
January 13, 2010 6:24 pm

It’s so nice to know others want and expect scientists to behave in a scientific manner. So many of them fail to do so and unfortunately, they’re usually the ones with agendas and ties to politicians. Keep up the good work.

January 13, 2010 6:24 pm

Charles (TM), glad to formally meet you. Good going.

January 13, 2010 6:28 pm

“I have yet to meet my corporate overlords, view my directives from above, or receive a single cent for my hundreds of hours of services.”
Gore, Mann, Hansen, and Jones could neither believe nor comprehend such a statement. Which is what we’re up against.

January 13, 2010 6:32 pm

In all of this extended story of Climategate, we see the worst of corruption and deception.
But we found it all out by the efforts of some responsible people who did what they did because it was the right thing – without regard to personal gain.
Charles was one out in front. As my Aussie associates would say: Good on ya’ mate!

January 13, 2010 6:33 pm

Well, Charles, your work (especially in comparison with many other moderators that we all know of) is one of the reasons why this site is so popular.
Nevertheless, I would like to ask you to respect people more than titles.
I grew up among scientists who worked with Einstein and Fermi, who laid down foundations of modern nuclear physics, informatics, topology, genetics, microbiology — you name it. They had their weaknesses and egos, of course. But if somebody would call himself, in their presence, a “world’s leading authority” on something, even as a joke, they would be very amused.
For them science was about curiosity and ideas, they always “theorized” and discussed possibilities, for hours and hours, every day. I’ve heard them emphasize that experimental data are starting points for research, and necessary to prove or disprove theories — but that making measurements and plotting graphs is not science. Real scientist, they said, thinks (sometimes with a sheet of paper and pencil); gadgets and methodology of measurements are for lab technicians.

Jason S
January 13, 2010 6:33 pm

What a story. Charles, you played a part in the story of the Century as far as I’m concerned. Not only is this a game changer for the skeptical minority on climate; it is a game changer for the scientific process. The bully tactics in modern science have got to go. It has given boldness to those who were cowering from the ‘peer’ pressure, and many have been more willing to show their face. It is great to see yours Mr. Rotter.

January 13, 2010 6:33 pm

you wrote in your above post “. . . our anonymous leaker expressed concern that their revelations were being ignored . . .”
Question: did the anonymous leaker specifically use the words “their revelations”? Again, it goes towards more than a “lone” releaser of the CRU files. Are you sure “their revelations” were the words?
Reply: I don’t remember and I overwrote the comment. In this case I specifically used the word “their” to avoid a gender specific pronoun. ~ ctm

R John
January 13, 2010 6:37 pm

Bravo – CTM! History, IMO, will portray you well.

Peter Pond
January 13, 2010 6:38 pm

Thanks Charles. I can just imagine the excitement as the story was breaking – let us hope that in the end that science and humankind are the winners.
And I do enjoy your witty moderation comments.

January 13, 2010 6:40 pm

Charles we love you

John F. Hultquist
January 13, 2010 6:42 pm

Will the real “Charles the moderator” stand up, please?
He just did.
He did?
Well, okay then — big applause!

January 13, 2010 6:51 pm

Charles: You are, indeed, Da Man. Thanks for the explanation, for the excellent (careful, ethical, skilled) work on the Climategate issue, and for the similarly excellent work every day on the site. Pure gold; we are very fortunate.

January 13, 2010 6:51 pm

Thanks for the background. Much appreciated. Climategate may appear hugely important for the public awareness aspect, but let’s never forget that empirical science is the only way to win the day. I’m still waiting for it from realclimate and their mates…

January 13, 2010 6:53 pm

” Reply: I don’t remember and I overwrote the comment. In this case I specifically used the word their to avoid a gender specific pronoun. ~ ctm ”
CTM, because in the initial comment to WUWT that you embargoed the commenter twice said “We . . . “. So, of course when you used “their” in referring to what the commenter (at FOIA (13:16:16) ) said then I of course started inferring that there are several individuals invovled in the CRU file release. Sorry, that I am going off on a tangent. Thanks.
Reply: I knew where you were going. I just don’t know the answer. ~ ctm

January 13, 2010 6:54 pm

Is it Charles the Gangster or Charles the Team Leader?
Also distantly related to the Reuters news service founder:
All allegedly true, of course. Certainly more satisfying than the first thing that pops to mind. Thanks Chuck.
Reply: The first link seems to somewhat reflect my family, the second appears to refer to the blue-eyed Christian Rotters not the Eastern European Jewish Rotters ~ ctm

Tom in Florida
January 13, 2010 6:55 pm

Is there a blog Hall of Fame? If so WUWT should have a very large bust.

January 13, 2010 6:55 pm

great work to the whole WUWT team, and all involved in bringing this whole issue to the public!

James Allison
January 13, 2010 6:57 pm

CTM thanks for your contribution. I also respect you.
What’s that on your ceiling…..

Robert M
January 13, 2010 7:02 pm

Hi, Charles, nice to meet you.
You do great work here.
Not a penny? Shame, your work is valued.

January 13, 2010 7:13 pm

Well, the RotterDam has broken.
Thanks for your hard work.

January 13, 2010 7:20 pm

Not so sure if these are real names – it sounds more like a punk band with names like Steve “Moshpit” Mosher and Charles “Jonny” Rotter.
Never mind (it may be) bollocks, but all your hard work has earned you a holiday in Cambodia.
Reply: Around 1985-6 I used to date Jello’s roommate for a short time both when they lived on 28th street and later on 17th. ~ ctm

January 13, 2010 7:22 pm

i mentioned over at Bishop Hill that you had a good story to tell a few days ago, thanks to the numerous hints left by Steven Mosher.
Well done CTM, keep up the good work.

Anand Rajan KD
January 13, 2010 7:26 pm

A skeptic from San Francisco..(!)
Great work. Keep the flag of decency flying high.
Read a book review from a certain Candis Callison in the latest Nature issue for example. It is full of insinuations and weasly words – from a prestigious journal at that. Things may get heated up at WUWT if ever, but it is only becuase it is conversational, unlike the cold calculated outrage the respected journals spew.
They will bring themselves down from their own bad-mouthedness.

January 13, 2010 7:29 pm

Well done, sir. In terms of value added to resolving this controversy, your actions were magnificent.

Steve McIntyre
January 13, 2010 7:30 pm

In December 2007 when I was in San Francisco, Charles, Anthony, Steve Mosh and I had a really enjoyable long dinner together. Next December for sure.

January 13, 2010 7:37 pm

Now I know who to blame for those sleepless,floor paceing nights.
THANK YOU, and all involved.
thank you, thank you, thank you.

Patrick Davis
January 13, 2010 7:41 pm

Outstanding work by all. Mid November 2009 and what unfolded on WUWT will certainly live long in my memory.
This man deserves a VB.

January 13, 2010 7:51 pm

Good job, CTM. I’ve moderated/admined some sites, including ones that are pretty important in their niche. You do a nice job in often difficult circumstances, and you do it with aplomb and even bonhomie –so style points as well.
You were of course absolutely correct –it was worth the wait to get it right, one way or the other. There was no “sell by” date on that file –but getting “suckered” would have been a disaster.

January 13, 2010 7:51 pm

Great Story!
I am glad that all of you were cautious and checked the post for viruses and validity. Getting caught in a trap, or being named as a defendent would not have helped the cause.
Thanks for the hard work.
Great Story!
mark mudgett

January 13, 2010 7:54 pm

View: the American’s will not let Mann get away with it… Its American sense of Justice.The British will try to snuff it out. AGW will vanish without admissions. Ol soldiers never die they only fade away

January 13, 2010 7:56 pm

Charles, here’s the highest praise possible, from a Texan (even though I currently live near Los Angeles).
“Way to fire.”

January 13, 2010 8:08 pm

Great story Charles, thanks.
Also great that you live in my neck of the woods. If you cut me a bit more slack on the profanity, I might even buy you lunch sometime. Ha ha ha.
Seriously (not the profanity bit), I’ll hop on the ferry from the East Bay and buy you lunch anytime at One Market or Boulevard.

Warren Waldmann
January 13, 2010 8:15 pm

The way you and Anthony have handeled yourselves through this event stands in stark contrast to the way the folks in the CRU, M. Mann and others deeply implicated in the scandal have. I am an engineer. I claim no expertise in relation to Global warming science, but I know science when I see it and you gentlemen are exemplars of it.

Hank Hancock
January 13, 2010 8:21 pm

It is always interesting to get a behind the scenes look at a favorite production but getting this inside look at WUWT’s handling of the breaking story of Climategate was the highlight of my day. Thank you, Charles, for your level head in dealing with the Climategate file and moderating posts here. Know that it is appreciated by all.

January 13, 2010 8:34 pm

This goes to show that there are various kinds of (us) SF radicals! LOL!

January 13, 2010 8:37 pm

Hello Charles,
Good to meet you. 🙂 And that answers that question on how you got the CD to Steve so fast. You either handed it to him or pointed to it on an object and said … “look at that.” 😉

Jimmy Haigh
January 13, 2010 8:44 pm

Great stuff! What a fantastic story.
I go with the theory that says it was a couple of graduate students at the UEA. I also think their identity will be revealed at some stage. They are probably seriously ‘bricking it’ at the moment!

April E. Coggins
January 13, 2010 8:46 pm

Charles: If all the moderators in the world were as quick witted and even tempered as you, the world would be better place. Thanks for all you do and don’t do. ctm~ is a first class act, bar none.

Patrick Davis
January 13, 2010 8:48 pm

“Lord Monckton’s main Sydney presentation, introduced by Professor Ian Plimer, at 5.30pm on Wednesday 27 January 2010 in The Grand Ballroom of The Sheraton on The Park, Elizabth Steet, Sydney.”
Might see if I can get to this.

January 13, 2010 8:49 pm

On behalf of future generations of scientists in climatology, I thank you Charles for all your efforts to restore integrity to this field of study!
Young scientists also need you services in other disciplines – e.g., astronomy, space studies, astrophysics, solar studies, cosmology, etc.
Be kind to puppets like Drs. Mann, Hansen et al., follow the money trail upward, and ask those distributing public funds why they have corrupted and destroyed the most basic ingredients of scientific integrity.
Again, thanks! I wish you well.
Oliver K. Manuel

Fluffy Clouds (Tim L)
January 13, 2010 8:54 pm

Ha ha!
I knew it, a furry faced four eyes!!!!! lol ( I am TOO!)
Thank you for your time on all of this.
God be with you.

Al Gore's Brother
January 13, 2010 8:54 pm

Charles, You rawk brah!
Don M (Honolulu, HI)

Patrick Davis
January 13, 2010 8:57 pm

Whenever I read someone living in San Fransisco (A bit like Wellington, NZ, only much bigger) I start running the lyrics to Scott McKenzie “San Francisco” in my head, but change San Francisco to Fat Stans Disco. I dunno, maybe it’s my infantile sense of humour but makes me chuckle every time.

Pamela Gray
January 13, 2010 8:58 pm

I just finished reading the annotated abridged version of the emails by John Costella. I was overwhelmed by the strong feelings of righteousness this group of scientists had for themselves and each other. They truly believed they were doing what they thought was the right thing to do. Even though the data was messy. Jesus complex? Maybe. Feelings of self-importance made larger by a self-important corrupt Ivory Tower system? Maybe. Harmful to the field of science in general, even if all you do is study ants? Sadly, yes.

January 13, 2010 8:59 pm

Pleased to meet you ‘Charles the Moderator’. The self control exhibited by you, Anthony, and the rest of team WUWT in disseminating the Climategate story is truly exemplary. We might have avoided the whole global warming nonsense entirely if the MSM were as circumspect as you all were in the handling of this story. *bows in your direction*

Bill in Vigo
January 13, 2010 9:02 pm

Charles T M…..has a great sound today. I surely do appreciate your good work. I am probably one of the worst of the ones needing spelling corrections to ever leave a remark here. The past couple of months have been very exciting to say the least for those of us who are interested in the Climate debate. It is so good to come to a level headed site such as WUWT and know that the moderation is going to allow all but the most extreme posts to pass even if they have to make some serious changes to words to make them worthy to be on the blog.
Many thanks my friend and you are my friend as you have along with several others a couple of Steves and an Anthony a Bender or two made this site one of the most educational I have ever had the joy to experience.
I hope you are greatly blessed in this life and the one that follows for your good honesty and devotion to the truth.
If you are ever near Vigo Alabama give me a call the name is in the book for Calhoun County Alabama. We can at least share a good cup of coffee.
my thanks,
Bill Derryberry

January 13, 2010 9:05 pm

Ron de Haan (17:56:35) : Obviously Coleman is on to something!

I can hint that I’m a tiny little part of it (couple of minutes). Others carry most of the program; and it will be tomorrow soon enough to discuss it then. IIRC, an online version becomes available after airtime. So keep checking in on WUWT tomorrow and I’ll post an excerpt of the press release / link. This thread is about “~ctm” so…
Meanwhile, back On Topic:
Thank you Charles, for a job well done! (And I know that this exposure won’t change your position on anything. Only beer does that 😉
And what a marvelous story! Suspense. Intrigue. International secrets. Russian servers, international flights, clandestine meetings and secret disks (in case of capture? 😉 Government Ministries and Evil Doers in High Places. All you need is to find a way to work into it: a Turkish Bath, car chase, shoot out, bar scene, and scantily clad dancers somehow. 😉
So, what do you think, Tom Selleck? Sean Connery? WHO should play CTM in the movie version?

January 13, 2010 9:07 pm

Great story of how AGW the Dragon was slain.
Long live Sir ctm.

January 13, 2010 9:12 pm

Dave McK (19:38:25) : edit
Thank you Charles.
You literally helped save the world from a catastrophe.
Next time I cross the bridge, I’ll look up and expect to see you in cape and cowl.

Tights! AND Tights! While it is San Francisco, you need more than just Cape and Cowl 😉

Marlene A
January 13, 2010 9:16 pm

Over the past two decades I’ve been quietly collecting and archiving newspapers and magazines with containing significant political, cultural and social events. I have several hyping AGW as I thought that sooner or later this sham would be exposed and my grandchildren, sometime in the far future would appreciate seeing how widely and deeply held this mass hysteria had been. I’m still waiting for the cover stories and front page headlines that show the first glimmers of common sense returning after the release of the CRU e-mails, but alas, there’s nothing emanating from the mainstream media yet. However, I remain hopeful.
Charles the Moderator, thank-you for all the effort you’ve invested to insure everyone’s point of view is heard and that we all play nice. One day a movie will be made on the madness of AGW and the breaking of it’s back with Climategate. I expect the white hats will be people like you and Anthony from vWUWT, Steve McIntyre from Climate Audit and several others who made it a mission to out the truth.
Reply: It’s “ensure” ~ charles the, occasional-grammar-nazi-when-one-of-my-pet-peeves-is-tweaked, moderator

photon without a Higgs
January 13, 2010 9:17 pm

web cam photo?
Reply: Cell phone. ~ ctm

April E. Coggins
January 13, 2010 9:18 pm

Pamela Gray (20:58:04) : I disagree completely. I believe that they knew exactly that what they were doing was wrong and unscientific. They agreed to be complicit for monetary goals and now only regret their undoing. If they believed in what they “reported”, why the cover-up and hypocrisy? Why were they so defensive, even among themselves? The entire lot should thrown into jail for killing innocent people, costing fortunes and creating a world wide Ponzi scheme. Perhaps a few will escape to Brazil, but they will be found out.

Doug S
January 13, 2010 9:23 pm

Well done Charles and all the team at WUWT. I have learned so much from the articles and links here. The best “global warming” site bar none!
Doug Sherman
Vallejo, Ca.

January 13, 2010 9:25 pm

Great job ctm…
From the way it happened, it really points out to somebody from inside CRU which has good knowledge of WUWT and its position in the blogsphere. The funny thing also is that on other sites, some usual pro-AGM commenters kind of disappeared at the same time that those came out… I think those people did more and actually participated in deception activities on other sites…

Zeke the Sneak
January 13, 2010 9:25 pm

Wait. Can’t we get just a few climate quacks behind bars first, before we start reminiscing?! 🙂 Thanks ctm.

spangled drongo
January 13, 2010 9:26 pm

Great stuff, ctm, you have conquered mortality!

B. Smith
January 13, 2010 9:32 pm

I’m a fairly new, but confirmed aficionado of this blog. The last place I would expect to find an AGW skeptic would be SF though! I was just in the City this morning, on Filmore and Sacto enjoying a few great cups of not Starbucks coffee while reading WUWT on my laptop!
Would love the opportunity to listen and learn more about this fascinating subject from you and Steve!

January 13, 2010 9:39 pm

And I thought moderating a forum of 500 rabid NFL fans was difficult. I can’t imagine what it takes to keep the peace here.
Thanks for your countless hours of service, Charles.

Robert Wykoff
January 13, 2010 9:40 pm

Bravo Charles. Thank you, and thank Anthony and everyone else who seem to work around the clock maintaining the best place to hang out in cyberspace. If your travels take you back to Nevada, and you want to do some measurments in places that most definitely don’t have UHI, you are welcome for a 4wd trip for 100 miles, 500 miles, or as far as you like across the state of Nevada. My ’66 Landcruiser produces lots and lots of life giving CO2.
Robert Wykoff
Reno, Nevada

January 13, 2010 9:42 pm

Thanks from all of us up here in the Northern Colony, Canadia. ☺
When you know who Deep Throat is please let us be the first to know.
Best to you, Anthony and the mods here.

April E. Coggins
January 13, 2010 9:45 pm

If we are going to reminisce, my favorite days at WWT were the Catlain Crew threads. Those were daily howls of laughter. Left-wing theatrics plus video games, with a little Gilligan Island mixed in. Not one bit was real, it was all carefully orchestrated theatre. I thoroughly enjoyed everyone picking apart and mocking the reports.

John Andrews
January 13, 2010 9:45 pm

CTM, this is a compliment! You have earned it. Thank you.
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee

January 13, 2010 10:01 pm

Are there still people who claim Climategate is no big deal? And if so, do they still believe it?
ctm == Charles The Moderator(tm) Was I supposed to figure that or am I just clueless about some things?
Hmm, I’m trying to use CA Assistant now that the Tips and Notes page is small again. I’m not sure its preview handled ™ right, but we’ll see.
Oh – you and the other other moderators do a remarkably good job of staying on a balance point (or is that knife edge?) between losing control of a thread and stifling discussion.

anna v
January 13, 2010 10:08 pm

Thanks Charles
You kept a cool head in a crisis and the boat steady.
Keep up the good work done here. It is very much appreciated as the continuous growth of readers shows.32,082,289 hits and counting.

Richard G.
January 13, 2010 10:11 pm

Thank you Charles. I have been a lurker for years and have only started speaking up in the last 2 months. I know the feeling of shedding the cloak of anonymity.
A hearty thank you to Anthony and the rest of you as well.

January 13, 2010 10:15 pm

You look a lot like I did when I was your age. When you get old (relatively) you will probably look a lot like Steve McIntyre. I do.
Oh, yeah. Good job. I was blown away by the news. And I was one of he first non-science (exclusively) blogs to get the word out. It drove a LOT of traffic my way.
Funny thing is – I sent Instapundit links right away and it took him many days to get on board.
I also sent a link to Mosher and he never let on his involvement. The Dawg. 😉
Reply: I’m 51. How old are you? ~ ctm

January 13, 2010 10:15 pm

CTM… and your gang have really done MUCH for the advancement of the scientific truth in a world that is muddied by ****.
Your efforts are MUCH appreciated.
I personally have learned so very much on this site…and am most grateful for this forum.
Thank you.
Norfolk, VA, USA

January 13, 2010 10:16 pm

Great story — it is nice to hear the details!
As everyone else has stated, I am so glad I found this blog and very much appreciate the efforts of you and your co-moderators.

January 13, 2010 10:18 pm

And Charles,
Give your newest moderator my regards. We miss him at his old haunts but I understand he may be otherwise occupied these days. 😉

January 13, 2010 10:22 pm

Great work, Charles! Mann o Mann o Mann!

January 13, 2010 10:37 pm

ctm, thanks for your great work!

Dave F
January 13, 2010 10:39 pm

Flippant? Noooooo….. You have never written anything flippant, have you? Specially not in the Tips&Notes thread when people cut and paste…. Naaaahhhh
[learn to post a link ~ ctm]

January 13, 2010 10:42 pm

So it was Charles that got the scoop, and consequently the kudos. Well Charles you deserve it. I salute you sir.
Reply: I did very little except perhaps to enforce some restraint in others. ~ ctm

Leon Brozyna
January 13, 2010 10:44 pm

Thanks for sharing an object lesson in professional journalism. It is so amazing to read how this story was sat on for a couple days while everyone was checking and rechecking the information. And then reading the early comments when the story was finally released with so many cautionary objections that had already been considered.
It is appropriate that this be named Climategate — it’s like the early Watergate story as it was researched and bits and pieces of that story were checked and rechecked by Woodward & Bernstein. It should prove to be a source of continuing revelations as other investigations proceed (Mann at PSU & the release from CRU). Anything that even hints at whitewash is sure to spark quite an uproar. This is nowhere near done.

Richard deSousa
January 13, 2010 10:51 pm

Congrats! I hope Climategate is the last nail in the coffin so we can [forget] Jones, Hansen, Mann, Gore and company forever.

John Wright
January 13, 2010 10:52 pm

Just to add my thanks, it must be a comfort to Anthony to know he can rely on such companions in arms when he’s away.

Peter G
January 13, 2010 10:55 pm

Fantastic work. That was also when my friends starting emailing me about climate stories versus me sending the links to them. I think a lot of people woke up that day, and the people like you helped to stall the huge taxation through Copenhagen that was about to happen.

stan stendera
January 13, 2010 11:03 pm

My name is Stanley Thomas Stendera, Jr. and I am proud to stand with Charles Rotter.

January 13, 2010 11:04 pm

I’ll just add my kudos at well over 100 comments:
A great story all around, so many backstories, so much teamwork.
So cool.
Thank you

Roger Knights
January 13, 2010 11:24 pm

Reply: It’s “ensure” ~ charles the, occasional-grammar-nazi-when-one-of-my-pet-peeves-is-tweaked, moderator

That’s one of my peeves too, as listed in a couple of collections of annoyances I posted on the Seeking Alpha site here:

photon without a Higgs
January 13, 2010 11:25 pm

hotrod (22:16:27) :
Great story — it is nice to hear the details!
One more detail would make it nicer—who released it? HARRY_READ_ME? David Palmer, Information Policy & Compliance Manager, University of East Anglia?

January 13, 2010 11:38 pm

Charles looks exactly as I expected. One thing is not clear for me, when you wake up and go to sleep (if at all).
Reply: It’s not clear for me either. ~ ctm

Andrew P
January 13, 2010 11:47 pm

Charles – well done and thanks for all your great work. And lets not forget Anthony who gave us WUWT. It could not have been easy for him on being on a long flight over the Atlantic without a web connection while all this was breaking. FWIW, I think most definitely a whistleblower not a hacker. But whether it was a disaffected scientist or IT guy (or partnership) I have no idea.

January 13, 2010 11:56 pm

Nice to see the light shining on the deserved. Two thumbs up!

January 13, 2010 11:58 pm

One more piece in the puzzle. Thanks Charles!

January 14, 2010 12:03 am

I heard that Charles the Moderator doesn’t actually need glasses, and only wears them to look more ‘sciency’!
Just kidding :). Great work in helping to bring this scandal to the masses, CTM.

Peter Whale
January 14, 2010 12:12 am

Well played Charlie I like your team better than Michael Mann et al.

January 14, 2010 12:16 am

Charles: With 150 comments already posted, it seems unnecessary to add a further note of thanks for all the tireless patience of you, Steve and the other moderators who do such a splendid job, 24/7. No wonder this is everyone’s first port of call. We know we will get treated with the respect we deserve (or not if we don’t deserve it) and will be kept bang up-to-date.
You deserve a million kudos, plus a medal. Keep well.

January 14, 2010 12:20 am

I’m 65.
Reply: You look good for your age. ~ ctm

January 14, 2010 12:23 am

Thank you Charles! It was fascinating to read things from your side. Hopefully we will now see a rather rapid decline in the AGW mantra – it is pretty slow to catch on here in Australia unfortunately but keep up the good work! The World needs you!!

Tony Hansen
January 14, 2010 12:36 am

charles the moderator (19:37:10) :
…I hang around too many young people (women) and my dialect suffers so.
Such a burden to bear.
My heart bleeds for you CTM.
Well it would if…… you know……envy and all.
Reply: I accept your condolences. ~ ctm

Snowed in in the UK
January 14, 2010 12:52 am

Interesting take on the fact that the UK’s National domestic Extremism Team squad are now investigating the “Climategate” emails. The Mirror newspaper says that this could mean that *both* sides of the global warming debate are now under suspicion.

January 14, 2010 1:05 am

Already forgotten your name and face. Will know and admire you always as ctm.

January 14, 2010 1:18 am

Charles, thankyou for your efforts. The diligence and swift actions by yourself and the other leading characters in this tale would not look out of place in a Crighton novel (as the good guys/gals, obviously).

Bill of Brisbane
January 14, 2010 1:22 am

Thank you Charles for the inside story.
I have long been incredibly impressed by the work load you and the moderators handle – with a little humour thrown in from time to time for good measure.
And now you broke the story of the decade……
Good on you mate!

January 14, 2010 1:31 am

Charles, the comment by Shellback (19:37:30) implies that the explanation of events in this post explains why they were kept waiting for something? Could just be my interpretation but perhaps they might be able to add to the background on this tale?

January 14, 2010 1:31 am

A really BIG “thanks” from Italy, Charles!
I’ve been in SF back in ’99, let me say that you live in a very nice place!
Wish to return up there to offer you a serious Italian dinner!
Cheers from Turin, NW Italy!

January 14, 2010 1:35 am

Great job ! Thanks

Beth Cooper
January 14, 2010 2:00 am

All hail, Charles the Moderator, henceforth known as ‘Charles the Great!’
Reply: I sincerely believe that all the compliments from Australian females are from women who look like younger versions of Elle MacPherson. ~ ctm

Jeff B.
January 14, 2010 2:13 am

Fantastic. Just fantastic. Thanks for all the hard work. Everything in moderation is the key to WUWT! And I use to live in SF. Enjoy.
Jeff B. in Seattle.

January 14, 2010 2:29 am

When folks post to WUWT, is a record kept of, or do the moderators know, the IP address that they posted from? I wonder why the leaker didn’t use Wikileaks, where their anonymity is specifically preserved?
Reply: Do you know what an anonymous proxy server is? If the answer is yes then why did you ask this question? If the answer is no then look it up. ~ ctm

January 14, 2010 2:32 am

My womenfolk send their regards.

Tor Hansson
January 14, 2010 2:34 am

Here’s from another skeptic in San Francisco:
Well done, Charles. Single malt is called for. We can meet the young people later.
Reply: For everyone one here. Tor, another friend, and I once killed two bottles of Oban among the three of us in one night in back in 1996. And I was drunk on beer before we even started. My one and only blackout. ~ ctm.

January 14, 2010 2:44 am

You are going to be one of the most famous people no one has ever head off…thanks to the back covering being given free of charge by the MSM 🙂

January 14, 2010 2:57 am

Hi CTM, thanks for your reply.
I know what an anonymous proxy server is. David Kernell apparently used such a proxy, for all the good it did him. If you don’t know who he is, look it up.
Anyway, from your reply, I infer WUWT does keep a record of the posting IP address, and, in the climategate case, the poster used an an anonymous proxy.
Reply: Sorry to be brusque, but this has been discussed to death all over the blogosphere. ~ ctm

Allan M
January 14, 2010 3:46 am

Greetings from Malvern (UK). The weather here is obviously in the pay of Big Oil; the ground is covered in white soot caused by global warming.
You look somewhat thinner than I expected (imaginings of round and jovial), and from the angle of the photo it looks like you live closer to the equator than SF!
Good work, sir. And thanks for allowing some of my strange comments- even those that don’t translate well into human languages.
I shall toast your health just as soon as I can get outside to buy another bottle.
Reply: So…you’re saying that this keyboard makes me look fat? ~ ctm

Green Sand
January 14, 2010 3:52 am

I would like to express my whole hearted thanks to all concerned at WUWT/CA/AV etc for your years of conscientious hard work, hallmarked by its integrity.
A few years ago a very great man said:-
“Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.”
I think it applies today to what has become a very sad and sorry state of affairs.
Once again thanks to all especially for your integrity, with it there is a chance that common sense may prevail.

January 14, 2010 3:58 am

Thanks for letting us know that !!
You do great work here along with all of the others behind the scenes !!!

Viv Evans
January 14, 2010 4:07 am

Have to add my thanks to all those above!
Outstanding work, by you yourself, CTM, and the Steves. It must have been so hard not to run with it -but that’s why Anthony deserves big thanks as well. These files are and were too important to have them run loose on the web without a thorough checking out.
I’d even hazard the guess that your diligence is one of the main reasons why the AGW bloggers, CRU et all are helplessy trying to limit the damage: they cannot accuse us sceptics, and especially the sceptics’ blogs, of fabricating lies.
I am convinced that your prior checking of what was in that zip file, sitting on it, as you said, also helped to enlarge the impact. That is why this suddenly burst onto the web like an explosion.
Extremely well done, the lot of you – outstanding work!

D. King
January 14, 2010 4:08 am

Thanks so much!

January 14, 2010 4:13 am

I don’t think it totally off the wall to exclaim that your (and others) vetting of this may have saved the global energy economy from wreckers and looters – but there’s a good chance that this scam might have gone on long enough to severely impact every country in ways that would have made it very difficult for everyone.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I bow humbly in your direction.

January 14, 2010 4:14 am

It’s been put to me that, despite all the excitement about the CRU files, there is no evidence the computer codes therein were ever actually used to produce published material. As such, it’s a big fuss over what could be effectively doodles.
I can’t believe this however. As a relative novice to this world, can someone tell me what the actual concrete allegations are. WHAT published reports or articles contain plots thought to be generated by the codes in question, and what conclusions did they come to as a result of the plots?
Reply: I would ask that question over at The Air Vent, but I believe people like Jeff ID and Steve McIntyre are just getting started on all this. ~ ctm

January 14, 2010 4:17 am

Sorry I’m a bit late.
Great Job Charles and when your next in my part of the UK I will buy you a drink mate.

ron from Texas
January 14, 2010 4:24 am

Thanks for sharing the timeline. By the way, my name really is Ron and I actually live in far north Texas, about 60 miles north of Dallas. Anyway, it would appear that the whistleblower worked hard, indeed. And if the russian server couldn’t be traced back to a server at the CRU, that means someone had to go in physically with a zip drive or a few thumb drives and actually save a portable version of the files and then link up later from somewhere, maybe a wireless location, to that server. And while you guys showed due diligence to check for authenticity, I think the CRU told on themselves, accidently verifying the authenticity. Anyway, it’s important that people see these things. When this brand of science is being used to re-structure our freedoms, I personally feel the right to know about it.

Dave D
January 14, 2010 5:31 am

Personal courage and integrity – nice mix. My full name is Dave DeAngelis, BS in Chem from MSU, living in TN. I really walk small around here, I’m no scientist and I’m not doing groundbreaking research in this area, so few comments, mostly praise or jokes. I do disseminate the parts I take and learn from here and Icecap and other sites (mainly) in USA Today as Dave the Denier. Lord knows that liberal, countrywide rag, needs a more balanced perspective.
I hope my understanding of the issues and my choices about which to stress at any given time are actually a help to public opinion. While I suppose Iwould never be asked, I am a great debator – I would even accept the title master debator. 😉
The only reason I toot my own horn is that I feel someday a debate or regionally many small debates may be taking place. If we wish to do well, we should stage mini debates, practice and assess whomever should be put up. In the 5th grade I defended slavery vs. freedom when we studied the Civil War – had to, teacher assigned it to me as one group in 4 of the “segmented” (accelerated) groups. The twenty kids in my class, after the debate, voted that slavery was in the best interest of the blacks at the time and that the subsequent years of freedom following left them in worse care than freedom. My group was the only one to stand on it’s head – master debator! PLEASE, I’m not a racist, making a point only, maybe at 10 years old I should have protested the teacher and flunked…. If there is any organization around debate preparation, I am willing to help inwardly by arguing the other side in “mock practices” or on our the real side of skepticism. Would travel and would go on TV or Radio, if necessary – I would not enjoy it, but God gave me talent – and I believe in this cause of exposing the dishonesty.
Frankly, we’ll have to get off Fossil Fuels. But technologies will develop when they start to get scarce and more dear – the free market works. The problem is that we are probably not 1/4 through petrochemical global supplies, since we are using more and faster, we may be 1/2 way through in time, but not in scarcity. I believe this issue will become more germaine in 100 years, anyone who works with computers has an idea of how many “generations” of technologies will be discovered in that time – really think about human development 100 years ago, and the pace of technology is increasing, there is not one of us who can see that far out. We may invent a new, sustainable energy by then and call it anti-matter in honor of ST. These Taxes need to be stopped and Global Guilt need to be exposed as false.
Anyways, I’ve always respected the job you do, didn’t realize you were a volunteer!
[Reply: Yes, we’re all volunteers here. But Big Oil and Big Tobacco still send us our monthly checks. ~dbs, mod.]

AJ Abrams
January 14, 2010 5:32 am

Can we call you Chucky now?
First of all thanks for the hard work, although you’ve never had to moderate anything I’ve written (poor Steve M has).
Second, I have to say that I find all these conservatives fawning over a San Fran boi rather eye opening, and dare I say, poetic.
Fantastic work all, you should be proud
AJ – The Massachusetts social liberal, fiscal conservative independent.

François GM
January 14, 2010 5:37 am

Quelle histoire ! What a story ! Years ago, as I was watching the AGW folly skyrocket unchecked, I was losing faith not only in Science but also in us Humans who were allowing poor and possibly fraudulent Science to unfold. You guys stood tall and did something about it and I was privileged to witness it all. I don’t know if your work will eventually be officially recognized, but to me, it does not matter. As we say here in Quebec, I will always remember.
It is an Honour and a Privilege …

Alan the Brit
January 14, 2010 6:06 am

Keep up the good work!

John Galt
January 14, 2010 6:36 am

There is no denial of it’s authenticity. But since it was obtained surreptitiously, it must be thrown out.
/sarcasm off

January 14, 2010 6:37 am

Sensational story….but my hunch is there is second chapter coming. This time hope you won’t wait too much to release it.

January 14, 2010 7:06 am

David Ball (17:38:20) :
C-Mod, you truly rock !! If you are ever in Calgary, look me up, I’ll buy you a Big Rock Ale or a Pilsner ( this is Pilsner country, after all )…. Dave
Reply: Hmmm..Banff in the early summer is not to be missed. ~ ctm
No it’s not, and if you really want to capitalize on beer consumption while in this neck of the woods Charles…drop me a line as well.
Many thanks again for all of your tireless efforts.
Manfred Kintop

Steve in SC
January 14, 2010 7:19 am

Ya done good boy.
Back to work now.

Bob B
January 14, 2010 7:55 am

Charles and Anthony,Thank you so much for all you do. I am sure you probably saved my kids headaches into the future by putting a sword into the AGW dragon. Iv’e been around–Los Gatos CA, NJ and now Atlanta. If you are ever in Atlanta please look me up. I would love to buy you a Sweetwater IPA and some good BBQ.

January 14, 2010 8:21 am

Hey Charles. you’ve come out of the climate closet! Nice to meet you and keep up the good work.
The snow is beginning to thaw in England today. Must be due to AGW, of course!

January 14, 2010 8:23 am

Great job! Your time and effort does not go unnoticed or unappreciated. I continue to be amazed at how fast posts are moderated through to the bog.
BTW, how tall is the person who photographed you; 7’8″? (2.4m for the ROW)
As always (think Motown), Anthony and the Mods are tops!

January 14, 2010 8:25 am

Hmmmm. “…the bog.” That’s not WUWT, that’s RC, I think. Sorry about that typo.

January 14, 2010 8:54 am

Probably should have put up a cryptic message for your leaker to understand, like Coming Soon.

January 14, 2010 8:59 am

Anthony, Charles
WUWT is my go to site ….. donating today. message to other posters: if you value this site you might want to consider monetary support ….

Brer Fox
January 14, 2010 9:14 am

John Galt said, “There is no denial of it’s authenticity. But since it was obtained surreptitiously, it must be thrown out.”
However, under discovery and with the FOIA requests having been filed it is probably still available.
Is there someone going after Mann’s, et al, email via FOIA?
Thank you all. I absolutely love the analysis at:

Tim Clark
January 14, 2010 9:34 am

Well done! Maybe you and E.M. can get together in S.F. sometime. I hear tell he likes beer. :~D

Fred from Canuckistan . . .
January 14, 2010 9:58 am

“Edward Bernays opens his 1928 classic, Propaganda, with these lines: “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an import element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.”
I think we have the firstest & bestest proof that his claim no longer is valid. Despite the massive orchestration of public opinion, stating with the Club of Rome and extending to the AWG scam, you guys have proved to be the stalwart David’s who have taken down the transnational environmental attempt to manipulate public opion.
Great work.

January 14, 2010 11:07 am

Kudos as always to you, Anthony and the rest of the team that keeps this site running. It’s #1 for a reason, and you guys are it!
It was interesting to see the QC that went on behind the scenes. You’re no Dan Rather… and that’s a good thing 😀

John G
January 14, 2010 12:18 pm

Thank you Charles, Anthony, Steve and all for making me a witness to science history similar to but I suspect more important than Piltdown Man and the Scopes Monkey Trial. You all go into the history books. I think AGW is now over except for the shouting and government programs.

Frank Perdicaro
January 14, 2010 12:24 pm

Keep up the good work.
But can you explain the smiley-face in the bottom left of
the page outside the main WordPress frame when you make
the browser very large and scroll down to the last bit of the

Martin Brumby
January 14, 2010 12:53 pm

Lots of good people coming out of the closet tonight!
Lets hope we never live to wish we’d kept our heads down. But I work on the principle that the most nasty pieces of work peddling the AGW snake oil (and there are many) are certain to be able to finger you anyway, if they wish to do so. Especially in the UK, where the “Big Brother is Watching You” side of government is as well developed as anywhere outside North Korea.

Phil Jourdan
January 14, 2010 12:59 pm

“Then I stated viewing ”
Should not that be “started viewing”?
Just a moderator in waiting. 😉

January 14, 2010 12:59 pm

Thank you all for your courage and bravery — and of course the brilliant work keeping us informed.
Now and observation. In the past week we have 3 accounts of the events of 17-19 Nov by all the key players — accounts coming 2 months after the fact. One wonders if the investigations in the UK are driving this?
1) “Climategate—The CTM story” (the above story)
2) “The Mosher Timeline” on
3) “Peer-to-Peer Review (Part III): How ‘Climategate’ Marks the Maturing of a New Science Movement” — the brilliant three part expose on

L Nettles
January 14, 2010 1:41 pm

Its interesting to get a little backstage view of one of what Glenn Reynolds calls the Army of Davids.
March On!

Harold Blue Tooth
January 14, 2010 3:20 pm

Brer Fox (09:14:45) :
at your link:
Keith Briffa: older conspirator whose blunders lead the others to all but abandon him
I have wondered if Keith Briffa had felt that his time in ‘the team’ was coming to an end and so he became the leaker. But that is only a guess. I don’t know Keith Briffa from Adam. I can’t know if he’d do that.

Harold Blue Tooth
January 14, 2010 3:23 pm

i’ve seen a couple cooments that Bay Area commenters would like to buy ctm a drink or a lunch, etc.
I’d suggest that Bay Area commenters have a little party for ctm and mosher. I would attend and I’d pitch in on costs.

January 14, 2010 3:40 pm

Climategate: The CRTtape Letters is available now, linkage found on Lucia’s website:
14 January, 2010 (17:02) | Data Comparisons Written by: lucia
Mosher and Fuller’s “Climategate: The CRUtape Letters” is now available. We’ve all been tantalized and want to learn what SteveMosher was up to during the days before the big break, and to read any other secrets they may have run down.
To buy your copy, click here!!
Written by lucia.
Sorry, don’t know how to embed links.

Roger Knights
January 14, 2010 4:28 pm

2) “The Mosher Timeline” on

You left out the initial “h”:

January 14, 2010 6:31 pm

Harold Blue Tooth (15:23:50) :
i’ve seen a couple comments that Bay Area commenters would like to buy ctm a drink or a lunch, etc.
I’d suggest that Bay Area commenters have a little party for ctm and mosher. I would attend and I’d pitch in on costs.
Count me (and my credit card) IN

January 14, 2010 7:28 pm

Anthony and Charles
The following may rate a separate thread in WUWT.
The Met Office Hadley Centre publishes a Centre Central England Temperature (HadCET) dataset going back to 1659 for monthly averages and 1878 for monthly and daily maximum and minimum temperatures.
On analysis, these disclose what could be taken as an attempt to somewhat colour perceptions , if you take my meaning. There are two issues:
(1) An “unusual” charting technique which creates another version of the well known “Hockey Stick”.
(2) Puzzling discrepancies between the rapidly rising monthly averages and the daily data, which is most laborious to handle, but which shows hardly any increase.
The monthly data from 1659 is quite linear, with no evidence of any exponential increase late in the twentieth century, which might have been expected if the human originated global warming hypothesis was valid.
The linear nature of the data was checked by subtracting the linear trend from the monthly data and examining the residuals, which show no trend (R squared 8E-06).
However the MET show a very nice Hockey Stick, by:
(1) Using anomalies based on 1961 – 1990, amongst the highest levels of the linear trend. This gives the impression of a long hockey stick helped by the charting method, which emphasises the zero line and hides the long-term trend.
(2) The long-term trend is further hidden by truncating the data by eliminated the 1659 – 1771 period, which contains the lowest temperatures.
The monthly data covers average temperatures for the long period from 1659 to 2009. This is increasing in a linear trend of 0.26 degrees per century, with no sign of and acceleration as already noted. However, if you isolate the period from 1878 onwards, then the trend during this shorter period rises to 0.9 degrees per century. This discrepancy seems to be an artefact of the different periods, as again there is no sign of any acceleration.
The puzzle comes in when you download daily maximum and minimum figures for the same shorter period, from 1878 to 2009. The maximum temperatures show a linear trend of 0.09 degrees per 100 years, while the minimums have increased by an even slower 0.06 degrees per century.
In other words, there have been negligible increases in the daily maximum and minimum temperatures in this part of England for over 130 years, but the monthly averages have increased steadily by 0.9 degrees per century, not dissimilar to the published global figures.
How can this be? Have I made some stupid mistake, or …………..
The MET’s version of the hockey stick can be found at:
The data can be found by downloaded from:
I hope you find this all of interest.

January 14, 2010 8:19 pm

I love it!–
paullm (17:46:46) :
I luv it – true confessions at wuwt, although they pale compared to those at CRU…!

January 14, 2010 8:45 pm

When will Mosher and Fuller’s “Climategate: The CRUtape Letters” be available on Amazon?
If Moshpit needs help with getting the book on Amazon I have some contacts. Have him e-mail me.
My address is on the sidebar at:
Of course you can also pick it off from this comment.

Hilary Ostrov (aka hro001)
January 14, 2010 9:14 pm

Charles, Anthony, Steve & Steve,
You have done an absolutely superb job in handling this. I think you should henceforth be known as “Four Unmaskateers” 🙂
And while I’m here, since some folks have raised the question of who the leaker might be … there has been considerable discussion over at CA on this. I think it was Bender who pointed out that a common thread in the emails is reference to the SRES … which prompted me to add the following…
Hmmmm … A few days ago, when I was putting together ,
I went to Sonja B-C’s E&E link. There I eventually found a paper by Castles & Henderson – which wasn’t really a paper, but a series of correspondence, that I planned to use for “Part 2″ of the above Much to my regret I merely bookmarked it, rather than d/l … but there is a later paper responding to critiques & “extending” their original.
The “flavour” can certainly be captured by a quick read of:
which is reinforced by:
It’s all about the faulty foundations of the SRES – and the IPCC’s “response” (which has an all too familiar dismissive ring to it)
So, (with apologies to Charles Dickens) ….
Put the case that someone totally outside the CRU crew had been doing some independent research and had figured out – and was thoroughly disgusted by – what had been going on (anyone with common sense would be able to spot the problems). Put the case that this person either had the skillset required to “grab” the files [restore from backup tapes, perhaps?] or at least knew someone with appropriate access who did – and/or had been gathering nuggets for some time.
Considering that communication probably also took place using other means besides emails (water fountains, cafeteria, pub, telephone, hallways, open doors, etc), and considering that it’s not unreasonable to think that the decision on the FOI request might well have been communicated to Jones on the 12th (or even the 13th in the a.m.), he doesn’t strike me as the type who would keep such “good news” to himself.
Put the case that Jane W. Blower – one way or another – got wind of this decision, decided that it was time to strike and she and/or her accomplice spent the next 4 days putting the package together … After reading Castles & Henderson, I would probably want to filter on SRES and the key players.
From where I’m sitting, the emails served primarily to confirm that which all you great sleuths had uncovered about the “science” over the years. FWIW, When I first read Castles & Henderson (even though I’m not an economist – or a “climate scientist”) I was astounded. So, I came running over here [to CA]wanting to shout Eureka! – until I found the post I mentioned above … then I decided to bide my time.

January 15, 2010 12:19 am

[Reply: Yes, we’re all volunteers here. But Big Oil and Big Tobacco still send us our monthly checks. ~dbs, mod.]
I always get my share of the money in used $20 notes delivered in manila envelopes.

January 15, 2010 12:32 am

hro001 (21:14:33) :
I pointed out the SRES in my discussion with bender. This is one of the topics I didnt get to in the book, but it was clearly in the crosshairs when the file was constructed

January 15, 2010 12:34 am

M Simon. book went up earlier tonight.

January 15, 2010 12:40 am

Maybe we should do a book party?
north beach? the marina? or the TL?
I wonder if city lights will pick it up?

January 15, 2010 1:51 am

steven mosher (00:34:24) :
M Simon. book went up earlier tonight.

Good luck with the book Mosh, I hope it does well for you.
How’s the pda coming along?

January 15, 2010 4:18 am

I repeat though, amongst all the excitement about the CRU codes, no-one seems to be able to say WHAT misleading plots got published, and exactly what misleading message was given out as a result. Until this is established, it’s just a big kerfuffle over nothing.

Jeff Wood
January 15, 2010 7:05 am

You are right, though the easily-accessed emails tell us much that has been long suspected.
One point, directly affecting the data, hit my eye at once, and that was the “Fudge factor adjustment” to the raw CRU data. I am not up to finding the first description of this manipulation – it may have been here – but I look forward to the maths whizzes elucidating it.
Charles, if your and Mosh’s egos can stand any more stroking, very well done.

January 15, 2010 7:20 am

AusieDan (19:28:46) : you did read the notes didn’t you: as they reference
and also state that the “daily” series starts from 1772?
What difference does the choice of baseline year make to the shape of the plot?

January 15, 2010 7:27 am

Charles for President!! 2012.

January 15, 2010 8:41 am

Thanks Jeff Wood, I look forward to finding out what published plot resulted from the “fudge factor” code too. I hope someone can establish this beyond reasonable doubt, because that would be proof of blatent scientific fraud. Only then can we say “Gotcha !” At present it is too early for this I am afraid.

photon without a Higgs
January 16, 2010 8:23 pm

steven mosher (00:40:14) :
Maybe we should do a book party?
if i’m invited i’m in !!

January 16, 2010 8:52 pm

steven mosher (00:40:14) :
Maybe we should do a book party?
Great idea, but let’s keep the carbon footprint lower than COP15, OK ??

February 25, 2010 4:09 pm

“It is better to deserve honors and not have them than to have them and not deserve them.”—Mark Twain
Good work, Charles!

February 25, 2010 4:16 pm

kzb (04:18:06) :
I repeat though, amongst all the excitement about the CRU codes, no-one seems to be able to say WHAT misleading plots got published, and exactly what misleading message was given out as a result. Until this is established, it’s just a big kerfuffle over nothing.
Perhaps, but I’m betting with the crowd and sheer momentum behind this, someday you’ll have kerfuffle that’s made into one big crow pie for the Warmers to choke on.

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