You may recall that Finnish TV interviewed Steve McIntyre last month. They did a superb job with that. Now they have a new 3 part YouTube series out on Climategate, with English subtitles. It is well worth the watching.
A part that particularly struck me was: “They reveal an aggressive atmosphere, where the scientists consider dissenting colleagues as their enemies…”
Maybe just maybe, one of our other TV networks besides Fox will have the journalistic integrity to do a similar report. One can only hope one will, except for 60 Minutes, a program now in decay.
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Parts 2 and 3 are below
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Trucci:
For the new WUWT readers, after seeing that Climategate video, maybe you want to enjoy the Svensmak videos too?
Note when he mention, in episode 5, I think, how difficult
it was to get his paper published.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51K9x5iyjnU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-zOLtMIH8Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRrkitPezhI
James, Roger, thanks. Broadcast on 7 December 2009.
So how come we’ve got this in Suomi – up and running at the beginning of the month – by way of YouTube and nobody in the U.S. has done anything remotely like it?
What the hell is it that justified the ex-Journalism school clowns breathing the nation’s air, much less drawing paychecks for spiking this story?
A lot of good posts here. Is there any forum out there where people can discuss the whole issue, and not have to stay on thread topic? For me the whole issue is gut wrenching and fascinating at the same time, but it IS an info war, and many lay people are not interested yet. This issue is an example where the fabric of the Matrix is uncurling, where we’re briefly seeing the man behind the curtain.
To stay on thread topic a bit, Scandinavia is more science literate than North America. They’re also not quite as afraid to say the truth.
Tucci,; Isnt the yellow text all over the screen good enough?
There is an interesting thing when people argue around comments from sceptics that “it’s not his/her field” or the like. That is not science, an attempt to distract from the argument, because you have no real counter argument.
Fundamentally in science there are a lot of common methodologies that are used in ALL fields, such as data analysis, mathematics, and so forth.
Therefore a Geologist can find errors in the methods used by a physicist, and vice versa, and a mathematician, can find errors in an Engineers work, because there are commonality between all fields of science. You may not be able to judge the conclusion, however you can verify that the methods used are correct.
The whole point of peer review is to evaluate if the methodology is correct, or not, and if the interpretations of the data is correct.
Any scientist worth their salt, any mathematician, and any engineer can analyse and find possibly find errors in methodology, even though they do not understand the interpretation, or the specifics of the case, and therefore their critiques are as valuable as a specialist climate scientist.
Also any scientist worth their salt will be able to explain any changes to methodology that they have made, to a scientist of another field, if the changes are valid. If they cannot explain the changes, then the questions become, why the changes, and why can’t you explain it – are the changes valid and logical ?
When you need to go to “It’s not his field” argument to avoid some criticism, then you are really on shaky non-scientific grounds, and arguing on belief, and not fact.
Either take the debate, and defend your findings, with facts, or shut up! Name calling has no place in science.
saw the movie clips before, awesome
Well jesse ventura has been working on the subject of AGW a show called Conspiracy Theory ( 4 part series)
tom t referring to 60 Minutes:
but then out of the blue they do a good report like the one on California being held hostage to nutjob environmentalists and a 3 inch fish. Of course Fox reported on it months ago.
I agree that it was a good report, but it seemed more balanced to me than what Fox has been doing. Rather than just taking in the complaints of the farmers, they looked at the broader issue, saying that the real cause for the mess is a drought, not just concerns over a 3-inch fish. It sounds like a public water works project is long overdue, because the current water system they have for the area is inadequate. One analyst said that some of the foodstuffs being grown in the area require too much water for the capacity.
@Stefan:
Re: Trying to “clean up the mess” from the education system
Yeah, you and me, both. 🙂
The AGW defenders always say, “so and so is not in the field”, sure, but your climatologist used statistics, didn’t he? Why doesn’t a statistician get to have a say on the field of statistics when it is used in climatology?? It is kinda embarrassing how obvious were their ploys to control things.
Yeah, I’ve seen that tactic used a lot. It didn’t fly with me for very long. The same people will often refer to James Hansen as an authority, which is really ironic. All one has to do is a simple Google search for his bio. to find out that he has no climatological credentials in his resume. He has degrees in astronomy, physics, and mathematics. That’s pretty much it. What first tipped me off to this was a video posted on YouTube by an AGW proponent (of all people!), of testimony given by Dr. William Gray before a senate committee. Sen. Boxer asked him if he knew who James Hansen was. Gray responded clumsily that Hansen was an astronomer who did his doctoral thesis on the greenhouse effect on Venus. To which I thought, tongue in cheek, “Yeah…I guess that makes him an expert on the greenhouse effect on Earth…” 🙂 The same principles do apply, but we’re quite a bit farther away from the Sun than Venus is, and Venus and Earth are polar opposites when it comes to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. On Venus it’s 97% of the atmosphere. On Earth it’s about 0.04%.
I watched the videos. Good presentation. I wonder who got the idea to play “Wherever I May Roam” by Metallica for station identification. 🙂 I get it. They’re being cute, but I can’t imagine an American station using this music.
There’s a movement to radically change California government, by getting rid of career politicians and chopping their salaries in half. A group known as Citizens for California Reform wants to make the California legislature a part time time job, just like it was until 1966.
http://www.onlineuniversalwork.com