Steve McIntyre writes on Climate Audit:
Fox News is running a one-hour special on climate tonight at 9 p.m. [6PM PST]
(which is being re-aired on Wednesday, I think.)
I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I was interviewed in Toronto by Fox News when they were in Toronto for the Munk Debates (Dec 1) – Nigel Lawson and Bjorn Lomborg v George Monbiot and Elizabeth May (Green Party of Canada leader). It’s my understanding that they will be using some of this footage in one of the segments of the program tonight.
They were extremely well prepared for the interview to say the least, even being acquainted with as small a nuance of the debate as the Starbucks Hypothesis. I suspect that I’m going to look pretty weary in the interview – I was in the process of going through the Climategate Letters, which are discourging even for third party readers.
I think that the producers are trying to make the show more nuanced than the usual effort in this field (on either side). Not an easy task.
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For those who don’t know what the “Starbucks Hypothesis” is:
“Can a scientist have a cup of Starbucks coffee in the morning, head to the mountains and do tree ring sampling, and be back home in time for dinner”?
It was created in response to some scientists excuses that they don’t have the time or resources to update tree ring records or to take additional samples of some Colorado and California trees. The premise of the hypothesis being that such USA sampling expeditions are easily within driving distance of civilization in USA today, represented by Starbucks.
Steve demonstrates the proof of the Starbucks hypothesis here where he does his own sampling expedition, coffee in hand.
It appears some scientists are just barn sour.
Lomborg came of really well as a realist with rational, well thought out ideas on the problems we face. Instead of spending money on Cap and Trade, let’s spend it on real problems we have a good chance at solving or at least impacting.
What I liked was how when North tried to play the “it’s just academic talk about tricks” line it came across to me like he was sucking on a lemon, but then they went back to Ross where he stated they can’t just play it off because it’s not the trick part thats damming its the hide the decline part, which if you noticed North didn’t go anywhere near. The closest he got was its a trick to handle a problem. Yeah you can say it’s a problem when your treemometer reads the opposite of the thermometers.
It was on Fox News Channel, not the Fox Network. Different operations.
You can’t cover the elaborate hoax of global warming with a 1 hour program. They went over the leaked emails and that’s about it. What they need to do is produce a 10 part (at least) series. I’d like to see them do a show debunking Gore’s “An inconvenient Truth”. And it’s rather hypocritical of Markey to be complaining about the cost of imported oil, when he’s done everything he can to hamstring US oil production.
I thought FNC bent over backwards to be fair and balanced. Many warmist views were included and Mann and Jones ducked it.
To the critics above, next time you might watch the darn show before you pop off about how biased FNC is.
Not sure but what they gave the “doubters” unfair advantage by using that pic of Mann which made him look so beady eyed.
CNN was running Planet in Peril during the same time slot. Anderson Cooper sadly reporting on the alarming melting of Greenland, the imminent submergence of certain of the Solomon Islands (with shots of washed-out gardens), the devastation of forests in Peru, the usual about polar bear cubs, etc. Very moving. You can tell Anderson really cares.
Jeef (18:47:40) :
Monbiot lied? How could you tell? Was it that his mouth was open?!
Yes, his lips were moving.
Email Fox News and ask for more. “special@foxnews.com” Let’s face it, no other TV network is going to cover this thing.
I thought they did a reasonably good job on the show. I wrote and asked them to include Lindzen in a future broadcast. I’d love to see Anthony Watts on the next one also.
Starbucks Hypothesis – I can relate to that.
I once met an anthropologist who wrote a university thesis and an article for a well respected international magazine from the bar in a hotel. The thesis was supposed to be written up on a subset ethnic group in a Asian country.
Said anthropologist interviewed the bar girls who happened to be members of that particular ethnic group – that was his field work. Didn’t bother to go up country to location.
RJ (20:13:47) :
I’d love to see Anthony Watts on the next one also.
I agree because they said nothing about UHI/land use, or about station placement. Both are ‘manmade’.
Someone post a link to the video.
(A search for Steve McIntyre at the fox website turns up nothing. A search for climategate turns up stuff 8 days-old. A google search only turns up only earlier videos.)
If it’s not posted on the web, it might as well not exist as far as many will be concerned.
On AGAIN at 10pm mtn time.
Flint:
“Very moving. You can tell Anderson really cares.”
Yeah, he”s got that permanent look of worried concern down very well. I’m going to look to see if his wrinkled forehead ever moves. I wonder if botox could do that, too – freeze furrows in place so they never flatten at all, but maybe it’s just him.
I thought the Fox show was very good. But I wish they’d have shown the
“trick”, which shouldn’t have been too difficult. Maybe they think the average viewer wouldn’t quite recognize spaghetti graph tails for what they are? Or that a near full-screen blow up would frighten people or that Fox would be accused of using “shock value”?
I’m not worried about McIntyre at all.
I watched it here:
http://www.zahipedia.com/2009/07/01/watch-online-fox-news-live-free/
just had to download Microsoft Silverfox to view.
Great show, gave opposing viewpoints, and Brett Baer came across as a good unbiased interviewer who asked the relevant questions of both sides.
Now then, as someone posted earlier, the guy who made the claim that the Arctic Cap was still retreating walked out on a limb.
Journalists are going to love that one. Caught on tape.
Try out thier Mt. Shasta glacial bait and switch explanation for size.
Can’t miss it, and it’s growing.
M&M looked good.
Jones and Mann pulled the “hide the decline to be interviewed” trick, no surprise there.
They looked bad.
Senator Inhofe deserves all the letters of support we can give him.
Well done Fox,
This is a beginning. Let’s not stop here. Let’s develop some of the themes that were exposed, but not defined. Even though this represented an hour of film, it is no where near enough to get a significant part of the info out. But it did establish a baseboard from which to start.
We need to find a way to advance this thinking. A way consistent with this site. Does someone want to volunteer and come back with some posts that FOX could run with? Clearly the Team is running scared back to CNN, but even that won’t last indefinettly, especially when the truth of the matter does not lie with them.
Recent Chris Horner interview:
Will look forward to seeing the Fox coverage when it becomes available. In the meanwhile thanks for the Munk Debate reference. You can find that video here:
http://www.munkdebates.com/
Interesting to see the Cons (skeptics) won the day as they managed to swing the vote in their direction. Pre debate the AGW side (for lack of a better description) had 61% and post debate they were whittled down to 53%. That´s a decent sized swing, given how firmly most people cling to their AGW beliefs.
Off to watch the video…
We should be grateful that FNC is there for us. When you find yourself in a bar-room brawl, you don’t want to be sitting with the chess club.
Many brilliant scientists don’t present their ideas well. Humans should never give weight to the confidence of any debater’s delivery, but we do.
As this topic gets further along, we need strong personalities defending rational thought. Having some of those Fox guys question you is like trying to reason with a Pit Bull. There will be no place to hide. But we need to get all the sordid details out in the open. IFO don’t care if it isn’t pretty.
Hmmm… I believe Steves’ socks may actually be dark blue. 🙂
Is this the fox piece?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKj3eGzxUxQ
Here is the Fox News Special on Youtube:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqi7fxERiqk
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnCLQIYNYgo
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UisVhZHouq4
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Pj6uWTgXM
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWYuZs6Idb8
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BTS3K9DFy0
Hi,
Coming from the UK, I can’t get to see Fox News. Can anyone put it up on youtube?
rbateman (22:47:22) :
I watched it here:
http://www.zahipedia.com/2009/07/01/watch-online-fox-news-live-free/
just had to download Microsoft Silverfox to view.
zahipedia_fox_news
“Fox News live is easily available in most parts of U.S and Canada.”
C’mon, are none of you guys gonna U-toob this for the rest of us? 🙁
Fox vids now up and running
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKj3eGzxUxQ