It’s getting ugly over there, from protesters being arrested by the hundreds, to journalists having their microphones being shut off when asking “inconvenient questions, protesters denying free speech when skeptic Lord Monckton holds a press conference, to hunger strike wizened vacuous talking eco-skeletons.
Cophagen, is now the vortex of climate weirdness. Glad I’m not there.
First up Steven Schneider’s “helpers” release the hounds on a journalist when he asks questions Schneider doesn’t like.
Journalist Phelim McAleer (‘Mine Your Own Business’, ‘Not Evil Just Wrong’) asks Prof Stephen Schneider from Stanford University an Inconvenient Question about ‘Climategate’ emails. McAleer is interrupted twice by Prof Schneider’s assistant and UN staff and then told to stop filming by an armed UN security guard.
Next free speech is assailed. US Youth delegates to the Copenhagen Climate Negotiations crash climate skeptic live webcast in Copenhagen and are called “hitler youth” by Lord Christopher Monckton at an Americans for Prosperity event.
The few, the proud, the starved (and not thinking clearly) Climate Justice Fast.
Tens of thousands of protesters marched in Copenhagen and at least 600 were detained Saturday as climate talks hit a snag over rich nations’ demands on China and other emerging economies
“samspade10 (06:04:17) :
It makes me so angry when I see mobs behaving like that, pretending to be self-righteous.”
Thats just the conference members and the scientists, (like Dr Watson)
You should see the stampeding protestors outside…
Has anyone started to sell action figures yet, thought it would be perfect for christmas..
Copenhagen . . . . Danish for Gong Show.
In spades it seems. With really big gongs.
Let em fast. A 30 day fast will cure schizophrenia and probably other mental illness besides.
I suspect they might cheat though. Fasting means only water.
My god people are stupid.
As we say on a populair shock-blog in the Netherlands.
Lord Monckton +1
Little creepy green nazi youths -1
Lord Monckton is class of its own, i bet that at least some of those youths starting to have doubts, because they where bunnies caught in the headlights of a oncomming bus called “Truth” driven by Lord Monckton.
Its al fun and games for them by the looks of it, and then there came Lord Monckton to poke at some eyes.
Credits to Jim in above comment, for coining an appropriate and descriptive word we will remember when we look back; as a perfect summary of the whole sorry saga of COP15:
Kookenhagen.
Maybe not quite at the level of ”ClimateGate”, but not bad. . . .
“A hunger strike for climate justice?” How incredibly lame. What do they think they are accomplishing, getting people like me on their side so that they don’t suffer, hurt themselves of die of hunger?
@ur momisugly Tom Jones
Yeah…I’ve heard this argument on several occasions at my own institution (Stony Brook). My response is that the risk in column B is no different (probabilistically) than the risk of the planet naturally oscillating back into an ice age without our intervention, so there’s really no risk…whereas climate change action (column A) gives you 100% risk of economically destructive policies that mark the end of democratic free trade.
In other words, his logic fails because he isn’t an economist and has therefore not mastered the concept of MARGINAL VALUE and MARGINAL RISK. A stock analyst (or, in my case, a sabermetrician – a goofy word for someone who studies baseball statistics) immediately asks…how does the risk we’re gambling with compare to other risks? The answer in this case is that even if AGW is right (by chance…the science hasn’t revealed it to be so), the odds of the catastrophic solution verifying are so low that they compare marginally to the odds of those natural catastrophies happening in a non-AGW world even after policy intervention occurs….making taking that risk meaningless…making column B the correct decision.
Lord Monckton is made of the stuff that the British used to be like, now we pin our hopes on pseudo-Marxists like David “Cast Iron Guarantee for a Vote on the EU Constitution” Cameron (aka Liar) and Gordon “Iam clearly mentally ill- here is another 1.5 billion” Brown.
Climate Justice Fasting!!!?????
OK. I’m floored.
Almost literally.
They fancy themselves martyrs.
You have to acknowledge that pious glow on their wan cheeks.
The mantra about sustainability, leisure time in nature, more time frolicking with family, joy and love connecting us more to mother nature . . . .
Dear God. What do they not get about the brutal reality of nature – toothed and clawed? What do they not get about warm weather and agriculture and petroleum based fertilizer and cheap abundant energy from fossil fuel that makes their cushy little pious-driven lives possible?
Zombies. And they’re coming for our prosperity.
We are watching: no laughter, no reasoning, no arguments, no facts, no measurements, certainly no peer review, no dialogue, but a form of mass behaviour very similar to religion. And this is just the outside. The inside, and climategate is such a signal, is a well orchestrated goal oriented movement with a chilling character.
Methow Ken (07:23:58) :
Credits to Jim in above comment, for coining an appropriate and descriptive word we will remember when we look back; as a perfect summary of the whole sorry saga of COP15:
Kookenhagen.
Maybe not quite at the level of ”ClimateGate”, but not bad. . . .
I agree – it has a definite ring to it. I called it “hokumhagen” because the whole thing is a bunch of pretentious nonsense based on pure bunkum, but kookenhagen is catchier.
Tom Jones (05:58:39) :You have not considered the idea that YOU are suffering a severe form of suggestion and with you a lot of poor “first world” “Green-go´s” by an ambitious elite with an enourmous thirst for power.
What will in the end happend?. As seen from the third world, resting calmly and relaxed under the sun, you are going rapidly to the disappearence of your cherished “first world”and your magnificent “culture” which has dangeorously abandoned common sense and any sense of reality.
You are young enough to see it, but don´t take it too emotionally cause you won´t even see it. You know, when kids like you get identified with a “cause” like this they end being killed and rotten in an unnamed battle field, and that is what history shows. THIS IS ALL WHAT USUALLY HAPENDS BEFORE A WAR. BE CAREFUL.
I just remembered that “Hokumhagen” was also a play on their word “Hopenhagen”.
Still, Kookenhagen could definitely catch on. It gets my vote.
Cathy (07:51:32) :Really!…This is Copenhagen´s “Thriller” but these are the future deaths of a near war.
Tom Jones,
I see that video link is the same old insurance policy argument. The consequence of doing nothing if AGW is real is “worse hurricanes, droughts that destroy the US and Russia, sea level rises tens of metres, billions of refuges, mass starvation. . . ”
All very nasty, and all we have to do to prevent it is “spread the word” to force governments to take action. However, all studies show that all these planned emission cuts will do almost nothing to reduce CO2 levels but will slow economic growth and prosperity. In order to actually reduce C02 levels already in the atmosphere, you would need to shut down the worlds economies, which if he was honest, would be worse than the “global depression” he mentioned. Far, far worse.
Furthermore the thermageddon he described is not the only possible outcome if AGW is right. It is in fact far more extreme than any extremist, apart from Gore has countenanced. More likely would be a world a few degrees warmer, a bit wetter, more floods perhaps, but generally not that bad a deal.
The fact that he has put this argument together shows that he is totally scientifically clueless. As for claiming that nobody can find a flaw in his argument, one can only ask who he tested it against? Al Gore or James Hansen? Certainly not any rational person.
Maybe Anthony should invite him to test it with the readers of WUWT.
I think it’s time for someone knowledgeable to post on the consequences of Global Cooling. Suppose we are on the edge of one of those sawtoothed patterns and the sun’s move into low activity starts us down the slope to a new Ice Age?
Large areas of the earth would become uninhabitable. Hundreds of millions of people would need to move to the regions +/-40 degrees from the equator. Cities as far south as New York might have to be abandoned and entirely new cities constructed farther south. The buildings would need to be very tall to make maximum use of the reduced area. More people might have to move to these cities as the suburbs are turned back into farmland. Existing farm belts would have to move south, and it might be necessary to enclose crop regions in enormous greenhouses to avoid the specter of millions starving to death. Perhaps floating islands would be constructed to provide new areas to grow crops or for living space. The Third World would have to get a grip on its overpopulation problem. No doubt there would be wars over territory. Still, it would be a period of tremendous technological innovation as people work to adapt to the new reality.
I’m just speculating. I’d like to hear from someone in the know. It seems to me that the minor inconveniences and great benefits of global warming are not what we need to think about. Just the opposite.
obruinsma (08:19:47)
Perhaps this is really the inauguration of the First Church of Climate Change
Phil Jones, Michael Mann et al as the Apostles, Al Gore as God, and Hansen as the Jesus figure. The politicians at the conference are the lay ministers, and the crowds are the devoted followers.
OK, last time – my wife suggested “Hokumkookenhagen”, which is a mouthful, but is lots of fun.
John A (22:04:14) :
If I was in Copenhagen, I’d be handing out hamburgers and pizza slices in front of the Climate justice Fasters…
OK i now need to clean my screen made the mistake of eating breakfast and reading 🙂
Still don’t like the comment “Hitler Youth” name calling like “denier” is not a road to emulate. I can understand how you could say that in the heat of the moment tho when confroned like that. However, such tactics are all too common.
Img (08:50:12) One need only study history to clearly see what effect cold has on humans who are unprepared (or even prepared). Warmer is better. In my estimation we ( humanity) are preparing for the wrong eventuality. Maurice Strong’s cabal would like to reduce human population and cold would do just that to those who couldn’t pay for the energy to keep warm and fed. Their cry of “do it for the children” makes absolutely no sense. Economic hardship is historically hardest on the children.
may go viral’
Monckton/ “Hitler Youth”
Monckton answers “Hitler Youth” questions