Climategate reaches the British House of Lords

The House of Lords meets in a lavishly decorated chamber, in the Gothic style, in the Palace of Westminster (see below). Image from Wikipedia

There is the issue of the science, which I had previously taken as given; but many people’s faith is being tested. We are often told that the science is settled. I suppose that is what the Inquisition said to Galileo. If so, why are we spending millions of pounds on research? The science is far from settled. – Lord Turnbull Dec 8th 2009

House of Lords, 8 December 2009: Lord Turnbull: My Lords, on first reading the Committee on Climate Change’s latest progress report, I found it an impressive document. It was broad in scope and very detailed. But the more I dug into it the more troubled I became. Below the surface there are serious questions about the foundations on which it has been constructed. There are questions in four areas-the framework created by the Climate Change Act 2008, the policy responses at EU and UK level, the estimate of costs and finally the scientific basis on which the whole scheme of things rests. I will consider each in turn.

Unlike many of those involved in the climate change field, I have no pecuniary interest to declare, but I am a founder trustee of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, which seeks to bring rationality, objectivity and, above all, tolerance to the debate.

I have long been in the camp of what might be called the semi-sceptics. I have taken the science on trust, while becoming increasingly critical of the policy responses being made to achieve a given CO2 or global warming constraint. First, let us look at the Climate Change Act, which has been highly praised, even today, as the most comprehensive and ambitious framework anywhere in the world-a real pioneering first for the UK. However, it has serious flaws. It starts by imposing a completely unworkable duty on the Secretary of State to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 80 per cent by 2050, even though many of the actions required lie outside his control. It would have been better, as the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, and I argued, for the duty to be connected to what the Secretary of State can control, such as his own actions and policies, and not the outcome, which he cannot.

In the Act’s passage through Parliament, the target was raised from 60 per cent to 80 per cent, with little discussion of its costs or feasibility. It is a simple arithmetic calculation to show that if the UK economy continues to grow at its historic trend rate, we will need, only 40 years from now, to produce each £1,000 of GDP with only 8 per cent of the carbon we use today. That is a cut of [92] per cent. Many observers think that this is implausible. A recent report by the Institution of Mechanical Engineers reported that the rate of improvement in carbon intensity/productivity would need to quadruple from the 1.3 per cent achieved in the five years up to the recession to around 5.5 per cent. It would need to be even higher at the end of the period to make up for what the noble Lord, Lord May, calls falling behind the run rate.

Professor Dieter Helm has pointed out that the measurement system used in the Kyoto framework and in the UK’s carbon accounts is a misleading guide to what is really being achieved. The carbon accounts use the territorial method-that is, the emissions from UK territory. In this way, the UK is able to claim that CO2 emissions have been reduced, but that is a misleading way of measuring a nation’s carbon footprint and its impact on the world. It should include the carbon in its imports. If this was done it would show that we are going backwards, since we would be forced to take responsibility for the manufacturing that we have outsourced to such countries as China but are still consuming. The current method is, of course, politically very convenient as it allows us to label China as the world’s largest emitter. The embedded carbon calculation is, I accept, far more complicated, but it is far more honest.

Benches in the House of Lords Chamber are coloured red. In contrast, the House of Commons is decorated in green. Image from Wikipedia.

Another flaw in the framework is that the targets are unconditional. It is a legal duty, irrespective of what other countries achieve. Some, including me, argue that there should be two targets: one of which is a commitment, and a higher one which we will argue for internationally but only undertake as part of an agreement. Ironically, this is precisely the approach that the EU is taking with its 20 per cent reduction target by 2020, which would be raised to 30 per cent as part of an international agreement. The danger is that by going it alone we could face a double whammy, paying for decarbonising our own economy, yet still having to pay for the costs of raising our sea defences if others do not follow suit.

Secondly, let us consider the specific policies that have been adopted. Current EU policy follows two inconsistent paths. On the one hand, the ETS seeks to establish a common price for CO2, against which various competing technologies can be measured. The market share of each is determined by the relative costs. This is attractive to economists, since it allows the cost per tonne of CO2 abated to be equalised at the margin, thereby ensuring that the cost of achieving any CO2 target is minimised. The problem is that, despite its theoretical attractions, the ETS is failing. It provides no clear signal on the price of carbon on which investors can base their decisions. The committee, in this report, estimates that the ETS CO2 price in 2020 will be around €22 per tonne. The committee has rightly identified the central contradiction in its own report: the carbon price will be too low and too uncertain to stimulate the low-carbon investments needed to validate the committee’s projections.

At the same time, the EU is following a different approach under its 20:20:20 plan-to achieve a 20 per cent reduction in CO2 by 2020, with 20 per cent of energy coming from renewables. In this way, it predetermines a market share for a technology-renewables-rather than letting the merit order decide. The danger is that in pressing to achieve this target, which implies that over 30 per cent of electricity generation will come from renewables, some renewables capacity will be created which will be more expensive than other responses.

There is also a lack of clarity about the true cost of wind power, once we factor in the cost of retaining a large amount of underutilised conventional capacity, and the extension of the grid. The noble Lord, Lord Reay, has said more than enough on that so I do not need to follow that line of argument.

There is illogicality in the treatment of nuclear energy in the climate change levy. It is ridiculous that nuclear power, as a low-carbon source, is still in the taxable box. For 50 years, a major experiment has been conducted just 20 miles off our coast. France has generated three-quarters of its electricity from nuclear power. The French believe that it has been a huge success, delivering electricity which is secure, cheap and stable in price. France’s carbon intensity is 0.3 of a tonne per $1,000 of GDP, compared to 0.42 in the UK, 0.51 in Germany-so much for it being a market leader-and 0.63 in the US. However, the French option has barely been considered in this country.

As part of the EU plan, 10 per cent of road fuel is mandated to come from biofuels, but by the time this was enacted the credibility of first-generation biofuels had collapsed. Finally, our policy framework lacks balance. It is almost exclusively focused on mitigation through CO2 reduction, The Institution of Mechanical Engineers has argued for what it calls a MAG approach, with effort being committed not just to mitigation but to adaptation and geo-engineering.

Thirdly, there is the issue of cost. All we had to go on at the time when the target was set more ambitiously was the estimate by the noble Lord, Lord Stern, of 1 per cent of GDP. Many people were sceptical at the time and probably even more are now, including, it seems, the noble Lord, Lord Stern, himself. It was reported in the press last week that he now thinks that it might be 2 per cent, but could rise to 5 per cent. I hope he will clarify this when he speaks to us shortly.

In the document that we have before us, the committee says that it previously estimated that costs in 2020 would be about 1 per cent of GDP. That is consistent with its view that it might get to 2 per cent by 2050. In the new report it simply reaffirms the 1 per cent figure in just one paragraph in 250 pages. That is it. I have to say to the noble Lords, Lord Krebs and Lord May, that I do not think that that is adequate. It is difficult to relate these figures to what we are observing on the ground about the difficulties and costs of bringing on stream different technologies such as offshore wind and CCS.

One of the problems bedevilling the debate is the lack of transparency over the huge cross-subsidies that are being created by the renewables obligation and the regime for feed-in tariffs. There is no assurance that their extent is commensurate with the benefits in CO2 abated. My electricity costs me 11p per kilowatt hour. If I erected a wind turbine, I could sell the power I produced to the grid for a whopping 23p. I think I would go out and buy a gizmo which linked my inward meter to my outward meter. That excess cost is averaged over the bills of consumers as a whole, but how much is it in total, or for individual consumers? Here I differ from the noble Lord, Lord May. The whole issue of cost must be given far more attention. The Government cannot ask people to make radical changes to their lifestyle without being more open about the costs that they are being asked to bear.

I accept that “do nothing” is not the right option. Some measures, such as energy efficiency, heat recovery from waste and biomass, and stopping deforestation are probably justified on their own merits. More nuclear power which, in turn, would open the way for electrification of our transport fleet would enhance security of supply. Other measures may be justified as pure insurance, given the uncertainty that we face. But what is badly needed is a consistent metric that allows us to judge whether any given objective is being achieved at minimum cost. The recent book by Professor MacKay, the newly appointed scientific adviser at DECC, provides an excellent starting point. I also very much welcome the intervention by the noble Earl, Lord Selborne, debunking the waste hierarchy and the act of faith that that embodies.

There is the issue of the science, which I had previously taken as given; but many people’s faith is being tested. We are often told that the science is settled. I suppose that is what the Inquisition said to Galileo. If so, why are we spending millions of pounds on research? The science is far from settled. There are major controversies not just about the contribution of CO2, on which most of the debate is focused, but about the influence of other factors such as water vapour, or clouds-the most powerful greenhouse gas-ocean currents and the sun, together with feedback effects which can be negative as well as positive.

Worse still, there are even controversies about the basic data on temperature. The series going back one, 10 or 100,000 years are, in the genuine sense of the word, synthetic. They are not direct observations but are melded together from proxies such as ice cores, ocean sediments and tree rings.

Given the extent to which the outcome is affected by the statistical techniques and the weightings applied by individual researchers, it is essential that the work is done as transparently as possible, with the greatest scope for challenge. That is why the disclosure of documents and e-mails from the Climatic Research Unit is so disturbing. Instead of an open debate, a picture is emerging of selective use of data, efforts to silence critics, and particularly a refusal to share data and methodologies.

It is essential that these allegations are independently and rigorously investigated. Naturally, I welcome the appointment of my old colleague, Sir Muir Russell, to lead this investigation; a civil servant with a physics degree is a rare beast indeed. He needs to establish what the documents really mean and recommend changes in governance and transparency which will restore confidence in the integrity of the data. This is not just an academic feud in the English department from a Malcolm Bradbury novel. The CRU is a major contributor to the IPCC process. The Government should not see this as a purely university matter. They are the funders of much of this research and their climate change policies are based on it.

We need to purge the debate of the unpleasant religiosity that surrounds it, of scientists acting like NGO activists, of propaganda based on fear, for example, the quite disgraceful government advertisement which tried to frighten young children-the final image being the family dog being drowned-and of claims about having “10 days to save the world”. Crude insults from the Prime Minister do not help.

The noble Lords, Lord Krebs and Lord May, and their eminent colleagues on the CCC have a choice. They can take the policy framework as given, the policy responses as given, the costs as given, and the science as given, and then proceed to churn out more and more sophisticated projections, or-as I hope-they can apply the formidable intellectual firepower they command and start to find answers to many of the unsolved questions.

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Partington
December 11, 2009 1:03 am

“Ray (15:58:42) :
tallbloke (15:32:28) :
I am not here to divide anything.
It might be a good speech but in the same speech saying on one side that global warming is real and we must do something and later admitting that the science is doubtful… I can’t reconcile both of those sides and I don’t know how he could. From his speech, it’s not just the science that is corrupted but the politics too.
I go with Lord Monckton when he said to have the courage to do nothing.”
This argument keeps coming up and it’s important to understand the facts. Global Warming from “greenhouse gases” is indeed real. Turnbull knows that and Monkton knows that. A simple calculation based on satellite data of Earth’s energy balance show a likely warming of about 1.8 degrees C from a doubling of “early” CO2 levels. We’ve already had about 0.8 degrees so that leaves another degree to go, nothing to worry about and perhaps even welcome.
The “problem” is the hype and how this one degree or less is parlayed into four or even six degrees. That’s where the dodgy science enters and one can be very easily sucked into belief.

40 Shades of Green
December 11, 2009 1:05 am

Guys,
Before you get too carried away by the oratory and its potential impact, bear in mind that the UK house of Lords is largely hereditary.
Yes Hereditary.
For all you US readers out there. You fought a revolution to get government for the people and by the people.

JustPassing
December 11, 2009 1:16 am

Lord Turnbull
“My electricity costs me 11p per kilowatt hour. If I erected a wind turbine, I could sell the power I produced to the grid for a whopping 23p. I think I would go out and buy a gizmo which linked my inward meter to my outward meter.”
I like the way he thinks. 🙂

Roger Knights
December 11, 2009 1:24 am

Rathtyen (15:27:43) :
“BTW, I liked the term Warm-mongers as the name to describe the Warmest movement. The term was coined by Andrew Bolt (http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/climategate_the_search_for_a_proper_noun), and I think it might take-off.”

Googling for the term brings up 11,000 hits, so it’s not original with Bolt. It’s been used on this site 11 times; the entry with the earliest date is April 2009. (But an undated entry might be earlier.)

Tenuc
December 11, 2009 1:31 am

Wakefield Tolbert (22:02:55) :
“Anthony, your site is getting linked to quite a bit also by conservative/libertarian types all over the Net…”
Once they have read through the emails and other documents, they will be as shocked about what’s been going on as I was.
These people are not doing real science, they are just green activists pushing their masters political agenda. Science about facts. These do not support the hypothesis of CAGW.

Mark, Edinburgh
December 11, 2009 2:06 am

This matters. Because it matters to the people who matter.
There are Lords who are political placemen, or even some still who have inherited titles.
Other Lords get appointed because of their previous job.
Lord Turnbull was Head of the Civil Service and UK cabinet secretary until 2005.
i.e. the most senior public official in the land. And Muir Russell’s former boss.

DennisA
December 11, 2009 2:23 am

Scientists behaving like NGO activists……
Some scientists ARE NGO activists. Read this http://forum.junkscience.com/index.php?topic=288.0 and then google Climate Analytics.

Partington
December 11, 2009 2:38 am

Since this thread is about the now irrelevant UK Parliament. This beaking news is interesting:
Thursday, 10th December 2009
Viscount Monckton, better known as Christopher Monckton, the journalist and author has today joined the UK Independence Party.
At a press conference in Copenhagen he said: “For some years I have been concerned that the democracy into which I was born has become a bureaucratic centralist state run by commissars who we, the people, do not elect, cannot question, cannot hold to account, cannot remove and cannot replace.
“Moreover, due to our membership of the European Union, most of the laws we cannot now rescind.
“People, through their elected politicians no longer have the right to propose law or decide on legislation and its amendments. Everything is now merely subject to the agreement of the unelected bureaucrats.
“No other party except the UK Independence Party believes that Britain should remain a self governing country. I have long been a friend and admirer of Lord Pearson of Rannoch. Now that he has become the leader of UKIP, the nation will take our party very seriously indeed.”
UKIP Leader Malcolm Pearson said, “I am delighted that Lord Monckton has accepted my invitation to join UKIP as our chief spokesman on Climate Change.
“He was Margaret Thatcher’s Special Adviser in Downing Street on a number of areas, including science. He is now perhaps the world’s leading expert on the case against Man-made Global Warming, and as such is a household name in the United States and elsewhere.
“To have another heavyweight join us at this time shows how the party is continuing to grow”.

Ken Harvey
December 11, 2009 2:46 am

This old layman has spent more than a dozen hours a day studying Climategate this past three weeks. I conclude that whether CO2 emissions are any great problem is unsettled. I conclude that there seems to be no reason to believe that global warming outside of historical bounds has taken place. I am left with nothing but my original belief that climate is almost totally dictated by solar activity that we are never going to be able to influence. I further conclude that the warming enthusiasts have no understanding whatever of economics and are prepared to see unimaginable amounts of someone else’s money thrown at carbon reduction.
There is no doubt that we have very serious pollution problems that are real and undeniable. Just one of those is marine pollution and the decimation of sea life.
Seeing that we have this unimaginably large funding just looking for a home, I have a target for it that would help save the oceans and very substantially reduce CO2 emissions right around the globe. What we should do is insist that all shipping converts to wind power – sailing. Some oil spillage, arguably, would be avoided, truly massive amounts of bunker fuel pollutants including CO2 and methane would be eliminated, and those far eastern “trawlers” would stop cruising down the eastern coast of Africa, and past my front door, trailing their ten kilometer long lines threaded every few feet with large hooks. In case it may be thought that I exaggerate, I repeat, ten kilometers.
That, of course, is dreamland thinking and no one will take it seriously. Equally unrealistic is that man will be able to reduce gas emissions until we have a new means of locomotion. Short of that we should need a new ice age to do the “trick”.

Robinson
December 11, 2009 2:52 am

Guys,
Before you get too carried away by the oratory and its potential impact, bear in mind that the UK house of Lords is largely hereditary.
Yes Hereditary.
For all you US readers out there. You fought a revolution to get government for the people and by the people.

There are 750 peers, of which around 90 are hereditary.

DennisA
December 11, 2009 2:53 am

Scientists behaving like NGO activists……
That link doesn’t seem to be working at the moment but the essence is this: Bill Hare, IPCC Lead author and SPM co-author has been at the Potsdam Institute since 2002. He has been Greenpeace international Climate Campaign Director for most of that time. European Climate Forum still names him as from Greenpeace. Bill Hare has stepped up a gear at Potsdam and has just formed a new “not-for-profit” group, Climate Analytics, with funding from the German Federal Government:
http://sites.google.com/a/climateanalytics.org/test/welcome/team
“Dr. h.c. Bill Hare is a Physicist and Environmental Scientist with more than twenty years experience in relation to the science, impacts and policy responses to climate change and stratospheric ozone depletion.
(I presume the “h.c.” refers to the honorary nature of his doctorate)
He was awarded and (sic) Honorary Doctor of Science by Murdoch University in 2008 for his contributions to the climate change isses” (sic). (didn’t include proof reading)
He has however been calling himself Dr for many years but I have not to date found any scientific qualifications for him.
23 March 2009. Hare co-ordinated a letter to the US Senate and Congress: “from leading US scientists and CLIMATE ANALYTICS Project Coordinator Bill Hare.”
Dr. Stephen Schneider *
Melvin and Joan Lane Professor for Interdisciplinary Environmental Studies
Stanford University
Dr. Thomas Lovejoy
Biodiversity Chair
The John Heinz III Center for Science, Economics, and the Environment
Dr. Michael Oppenheimer *
Albert G Milbank Professor of Geosciences and International Affairs
Princeton University
Dr. H. Ronald Pulliam
Regents Professor Emeritus
University of Georgia
Dr. Kevin Trenberth *
Head of the Climate analysis Section
National Center for Atmospheric Research
Dr. (h.c.). Bill Hare *
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research
• IPCC Convening Lead Author or Lead Author for AR4
Joining Hare in this new climate company is Dr Malte Meinshausen, lead co-author with Hare of the recent Nature paper:
“On the way to phasing out emissions: More than 50% reductions needed by 2050 to respect 2°C climate target”
One link of thousands:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/climate-chaos-predicted-by-co2-study-1676411.html
He has co-authored with Hare on this topic before, in 2004:
http://circa.europa.eu/Public/irc/env/action_climat/library?l=/meinshausen_commitment/_EN_1.0_&a=i
2°C target and warming commitment
And 2006: http://www.springerlink.com/content/g5861615714m7381/
Bill Hare1 and Malte Meinshausen2, 3
Like Bill Hare, Meinshausen is a climate activist and says he has worked as a “consultant” for Greenpeace and WWF although as recently as December 2008 he was telling his Oxford college website that: “I now work on the issue of climate policy at the UN Climate Change Conferences for Greenpeace International.”
Like Hare, he has also been prominent in the Climate Action Network:
Sinks in the CDM
http://www.iisd.ca/climate/cop8/enbots/asc/enbots1105e.txt
Issue #5 ENB on the side – UNFCCC COP-8, 29 October 2002
Presented by the Climate Action Network (CAN)
Malte Meinshausen, Greenpeace, highlighted the Protocol’s requirement that all CDM projects result in “real, measurable and long-term benefits”. He stressed that: sinks are not permanent; sinks with full liability are not equivalent to permanent emission reductions; and the carbon storage of eligible projects should be sustainable for hundreds of years.
He has also co-authored with Jennifer Morgan of WWF: http://www.foejapan.org/climate/doc/tokyoconf/09b_MORGAN.pdf (2004)
In 2007, Morgan served as Senior Advisor to the German Chancellor´s Chief Advisor, Dr. Schellnhuber and in 2008 advised former Prime Minister Tony Blair in his Breaking the Climate Deadlock project. She is now at the World Resources Institute which is represented on the management board of the UK Grantham Climate Institute at LSE of which Lord Stern is head.
Search the CRU e-mails for Dr Stephan Singer, Greenpeace, and see the influence on research and presentation.
The NGO influence is deeply embedded in IPCC.

DennisA
December 11, 2009 2:55 am

Sorry, getting carried away, Singer is WWF not Greenpeace.

Roger Knights
December 11, 2009 2:55 am

“Some scientists ARE NGO activists. Read this http://forum.junkscience.com/index.php?topic=288.0 and then google Climate Analytics. “
When I click on that I get a not available message.

UK Sceptic
December 11, 2009 3:04 am

TanGeng (16:13:14) :
“More like the House of Lords has no power so they aren’t constantly being bombarded by bribes by the vested interests at large.
That’s why House of Lords will be reflect truth more than the House of Commons”
Sadly not true. Our peers are as venal and corrupt as the Commons MPs are
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5592511.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6736141.ece
However, it seems that Christopher Monckton has joined the UK Independence Party for whom I voted during the EU elections and for whom I shall be voting come the 2010 General Election.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/monckip.html
At least some of our Lords are worthy, thank goodness.

3x2
December 11, 2009 3:08 am

There is a lot to be said for an independent tier of Government. Eloquent and to the point.
What do we get from the PM? “flat-earthers” and “anti-science”. I suppose you would have to say that if you get your advice from CRU/MO (anybody else noticed that they have become one and the same of late?) and the noble sounding Committee on Climate Change (nice work if you can get it)

Mailman
December 11, 2009 3:20 am

TerryS (16:03:43),
Unfortunately Labour has undermined this “impatiality” by appointing Labour party stooges to the house of lords just so they can control what goes on in the upper house.
Also, Labour saw fit to get rid of the Lords as being the last call of port for anyone seeking legal redress. This has now been replaced by a Supreme Court, who in their first ruling ruled AGAINST the people on bank charges.
Once upon a time the House of Lords used to be an independent body of fuddy duddies, but no more. They are now being appointed by who ever the Government is to further that Governments aims and objectives.
Mailman

3x2
December 11, 2009 3:27 am

JustPassing (01:16:27) :
Lord Turnbull
“My electricity costs me 11p per kilowatt hour. If I erected a wind turbine, I could sell the power I produced to the grid for a whopping 23p. I think I would go out and buy a gizmo which linked my inward meter to my outward meter.”
I like the way he thinks. 🙂

Then you will love the UK. He is only “in the ball park” though. You don’t go out and buy a gizmo, you get a grant to buy a gizmo. Should your gizmo not perform as anticipated then you get subsidies until it does (or change the method of accounting).
It operates like a huge money laundering scheme that nobody can unravel. Nobody can say where the money comes from or where it goes in the many and various schemes only that prices are rising. Most UK residents recognise that domestic fuel bills have gone through the roof in the last few years but few have yet linked this to happy folk working the carbon scam for all it is worth.

JB
December 11, 2009 3:31 am

I have a simple response to any AGW Thermomonster ranting on at you about the evils of mankind and global warming – say nothing and just outline the shape of a sine-wave in the air with your finger. It sums up my thoughts on the issue very succinctly.

Pogo
December 11, 2009 4:22 am

“40shadesofgreen”… You are incorrect, the House of Lords has only a small minority of hereditary peers, the vast majority are appointees of one government or another.

A Smith
December 11, 2009 5:12 am

Thanks for the LGF links Wakefield Tolbert. Charles J changes his opinions with the weather these days; remember, only two years ago he was classed as a “right wing” “denier” of AGW. He is currently in a state of political flux, whipped-up by the anti-science, creationist loons in the US. It saddens me that he now unreasonably classes AGW sceptics alongside intelligent-designers.
The emails merely confirm what many refuters of AGW have been saying for years: that AGW is an unproven theory driven by agenda driven scientists. Show me the AGW equivalent of e=mc2, or a repeatable experiment that takes into account all the forcings, feedback loops and planetary gas/liquid interactions with solar and magnetic influences and I will accept those emails and software scripts have been taken out of context. They can’t even demonstrate an audit trail for their data ffs. If you really look into the SW code and emails you will realise just how sloppy, hit and miss and unprofessional their work was at the time, and be amazed that 10 years of government climate policy was based upon.

Rhys Jaggar
December 11, 2009 5:41 am

Well said, my Noble Lord!
It is often asserted by socialist upstarts, that the House of Lords is an anachronism which must be brought under the control of the House of Commons.
Whilst that might be an interesting theoretical construct in the scenario that the level of statesmanship, scientific knowledge, intellectual rigour of enquiry, worldliness, business experience and financial excellence were to clearly outstrip the House of Peers, it is currently the case that the ministrations of the Commoners reported by the Media would indicate that precisely the reverse would appear, currently, regrettably, to be the case.
I applaud what is, within the august chamber you clearly occupy with considerable worthiness, the equivalent of Mohammed Ali’s rope-a-dope response in Round 8 and hope that suitable political mechanisms exist so that the punches thrown are able to reach the necessary targets, as I suspect that Mrs Palin is both too ladylike and shrewd to be seen to be engaging in such downstairs behaviour over the next three years…..
It is perhaps important that both yourself and the good Lord Lawson target the politics of the future rather than the politics of the present. Clear signals have emerged on public political debating programmes that elements of the future clearly would be responsive to your ministrations, although they are currently considerably constrained in their freedom of movement in public chambers. The Eastern Rose may be a good place to start, I suspect…..
I look forward to the successful germination of your latest JV with your fellow Noble Lord and hope that its sustainable growth is mirrored by sustainable policies within what is currently a highly febrile, somewhat contentious and significantly religious field of human endeavour. I understand that building international bridges in the religious sphere is expected to continue in London in the near future. Perhaps a few Copenhagen delegates might profitably seek some enlightenment there?
Especially if their international travel budgets extend toward stimulating the UK economy by inbound flights, usage of quality hotels and enjoying the experiences of the London night is on their agenda……

Stefan
December 11, 2009 5:53 am

great choice of word, “synthetic”:
“combining”, “artificial”, “man-made”, “not-natural”.
Wish my command of the language was that good.

Vincent
December 11, 2009 5:59 am

UK Sceptic,
“However, it seems that Christopher Monckton has joined the UK Independence Party for whom I voted during the EU elections and for whom I shall be voting come the 2010 General Election.”
Although I agree with your sentiments, I feel to vote for the UKIP during the general election would be a terrible tactical blunder. These UKIP votes will be coming at the expense of Conservative votes. Are you really prepared to risk Brown winning the election?

Martin Brumby
December 11, 2009 6:34 am

The full House of Lords debate is at:-
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldhansrd/text/91208-0007.htm#091208100000169
Don’t assume that Lord Turnbull’s is typical! There is a good contribution from Lord Reay (timed at 6:27pm) which does one of the best demolition jobs on wind power that I have seen. And Lord Hunt of Chesterton (at 7:33pm) talks at least some sense. But otherwise it is pretty much an AGW lunacy wasteland with particularly disingenuous and stupid contributions from Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (opening and concluding the debate) and the egregious Lord Stern.
Another first rate speech was given 17 November last year by Lord Lawson of Blaby.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldhansrd/text/81117-0007.htm#0811175000244
when the Climate Change Bill was voted on.
Occasionally you do at least get sensible debate in the Lords, increasingly a rarity in the Commons.

Tim Clark
December 11, 2009 7:28 am

Given the extent to which the outcome is affected by the statistical techniques and the weightings applied by individual researchers, it is essential that the work is done as transparently as possible, with the greatest scope for challenge. That is why the disclosure of documents and e-mails from the Climatic Research Unit is so disturbing. Instead of an open debate, a picture is emerging of selective use of data, efforts to silence critics, and particularly a refusal to share data and methodologies.
I’m halfway finished memorizing this paragraph for later use.
In the finest style of NFL trades, the USA will trade 60, 7th round draft choices for one Lord Turnbull, and throw in the entire democrat practice squad Representatives.