Climategate reaches the British House of Lords

The House of Lords meets in a lavishly decorated chamber, in the Gothic style, in the Palace of Westminster (see below). Image from Wikipedia

There is the issue of the science, which I had previously taken as given; but many people’s faith is being tested. We are often told that the science is settled. I suppose that is what the Inquisition said to Galileo. If so, why are we spending millions of pounds on research? The science is far from settled. – Lord Turnbull Dec 8th 2009

House of Lords, 8 December 2009: Lord Turnbull: My Lords, on first reading the Committee on Climate Change’s latest progress report, I found it an impressive document. It was broad in scope and very detailed. But the more I dug into it the more troubled I became. Below the surface there are serious questions about the foundations on which it has been constructed. There are questions in four areas-the framework created by the Climate Change Act 2008, the policy responses at EU and UK level, the estimate of costs and finally the scientific basis on which the whole scheme of things rests. I will consider each in turn.

Unlike many of those involved in the climate change field, I have no pecuniary interest to declare, but I am a founder trustee of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, which seeks to bring rationality, objectivity and, above all, tolerance to the debate.

I have long been in the camp of what might be called the semi-sceptics. I have taken the science on trust, while becoming increasingly critical of the policy responses being made to achieve a given CO2 or global warming constraint. First, let us look at the Climate Change Act, which has been highly praised, even today, as the most comprehensive and ambitious framework anywhere in the world-a real pioneering first for the UK. However, it has serious flaws. It starts by imposing a completely unworkable duty on the Secretary of State to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 80 per cent by 2050, even though many of the actions required lie outside his control. It would have been better, as the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, and I argued, for the duty to be connected to what the Secretary of State can control, such as his own actions and policies, and not the outcome, which he cannot.

In the Act’s passage through Parliament, the target was raised from 60 per cent to 80 per cent, with little discussion of its costs or feasibility. It is a simple arithmetic calculation to show that if the UK economy continues to grow at its historic trend rate, we will need, only 40 years from now, to produce each £1,000 of GDP with only 8 per cent of the carbon we use today. That is a cut of [92] per cent. Many observers think that this is implausible. A recent report by the Institution of Mechanical Engineers reported that the rate of improvement in carbon intensity/productivity would need to quadruple from the 1.3 per cent achieved in the five years up to the recession to around 5.5 per cent. It would need to be even higher at the end of the period to make up for what the noble Lord, Lord May, calls falling behind the run rate.

Professor Dieter Helm has pointed out that the measurement system used in the Kyoto framework and in the UK’s carbon accounts is a misleading guide to what is really being achieved. The carbon accounts use the territorial method-that is, the emissions from UK territory. In this way, the UK is able to claim that CO2 emissions have been reduced, but that is a misleading way of measuring a nation’s carbon footprint and its impact on the world. It should include the carbon in its imports. If this was done it would show that we are going backwards, since we would be forced to take responsibility for the manufacturing that we have outsourced to such countries as China but are still consuming. The current method is, of course, politically very convenient as it allows us to label China as the world’s largest emitter. The embedded carbon calculation is, I accept, far more complicated, but it is far more honest.

Benches in the House of Lords Chamber are coloured red. In contrast, the House of Commons is decorated in green. Image from Wikipedia.

Another flaw in the framework is that the targets are unconditional. It is a legal duty, irrespective of what other countries achieve. Some, including me, argue that there should be two targets: one of which is a commitment, and a higher one which we will argue for internationally but only undertake as part of an agreement. Ironically, this is precisely the approach that the EU is taking with its 20 per cent reduction target by 2020, which would be raised to 30 per cent as part of an international agreement. The danger is that by going it alone we could face a double whammy, paying for decarbonising our own economy, yet still having to pay for the costs of raising our sea defences if others do not follow suit.

Secondly, let us consider the specific policies that have been adopted. Current EU policy follows two inconsistent paths. On the one hand, the ETS seeks to establish a common price for CO2, against which various competing technologies can be measured. The market share of each is determined by the relative costs. This is attractive to economists, since it allows the cost per tonne of CO2 abated to be equalised at the margin, thereby ensuring that the cost of achieving any CO2 target is minimised. The problem is that, despite its theoretical attractions, the ETS is failing. It provides no clear signal on the price of carbon on which investors can base their decisions. The committee, in this report, estimates that the ETS CO2 price in 2020 will be around €22 per tonne. The committee has rightly identified the central contradiction in its own report: the carbon price will be too low and too uncertain to stimulate the low-carbon investments needed to validate the committee’s projections.

At the same time, the EU is following a different approach under its 20:20:20 plan-to achieve a 20 per cent reduction in CO2 by 2020, with 20 per cent of energy coming from renewables. In this way, it predetermines a market share for a technology-renewables-rather than letting the merit order decide. The danger is that in pressing to achieve this target, which implies that over 30 per cent of electricity generation will come from renewables, some renewables capacity will be created which will be more expensive than other responses.

There is also a lack of clarity about the true cost of wind power, once we factor in the cost of retaining a large amount of underutilised conventional capacity, and the extension of the grid. The noble Lord, Lord Reay, has said more than enough on that so I do not need to follow that line of argument.

There is illogicality in the treatment of nuclear energy in the climate change levy. It is ridiculous that nuclear power, as a low-carbon source, is still in the taxable box. For 50 years, a major experiment has been conducted just 20 miles off our coast. France has generated three-quarters of its electricity from nuclear power. The French believe that it has been a huge success, delivering electricity which is secure, cheap and stable in price. France’s carbon intensity is 0.3 of a tonne per $1,000 of GDP, compared to 0.42 in the UK, 0.51 in Germany-so much for it being a market leader-and 0.63 in the US. However, the French option has barely been considered in this country.

As part of the EU plan, 10 per cent of road fuel is mandated to come from biofuels, but by the time this was enacted the credibility of first-generation biofuels had collapsed. Finally, our policy framework lacks balance. It is almost exclusively focused on mitigation through CO2 reduction, The Institution of Mechanical Engineers has argued for what it calls a MAG approach, with effort being committed not just to mitigation but to adaptation and geo-engineering.

Thirdly, there is the issue of cost. All we had to go on at the time when the target was set more ambitiously was the estimate by the noble Lord, Lord Stern, of 1 per cent of GDP. Many people were sceptical at the time and probably even more are now, including, it seems, the noble Lord, Lord Stern, himself. It was reported in the press last week that he now thinks that it might be 2 per cent, but could rise to 5 per cent. I hope he will clarify this when he speaks to us shortly.

In the document that we have before us, the committee says that it previously estimated that costs in 2020 would be about 1 per cent of GDP. That is consistent with its view that it might get to 2 per cent by 2050. In the new report it simply reaffirms the 1 per cent figure in just one paragraph in 250 pages. That is it. I have to say to the noble Lords, Lord Krebs and Lord May, that I do not think that that is adequate. It is difficult to relate these figures to what we are observing on the ground about the difficulties and costs of bringing on stream different technologies such as offshore wind and CCS.

One of the problems bedevilling the debate is the lack of transparency over the huge cross-subsidies that are being created by the renewables obligation and the regime for feed-in tariffs. There is no assurance that their extent is commensurate with the benefits in CO2 abated. My electricity costs me 11p per kilowatt hour. If I erected a wind turbine, I could sell the power I produced to the grid for a whopping 23p. I think I would go out and buy a gizmo which linked my inward meter to my outward meter. That excess cost is averaged over the bills of consumers as a whole, but how much is it in total, or for individual consumers? Here I differ from the noble Lord, Lord May. The whole issue of cost must be given far more attention. The Government cannot ask people to make radical changes to their lifestyle without being more open about the costs that they are being asked to bear.

I accept that “do nothing” is not the right option. Some measures, such as energy efficiency, heat recovery from waste and biomass, and stopping deforestation are probably justified on their own merits. More nuclear power which, in turn, would open the way for electrification of our transport fleet would enhance security of supply. Other measures may be justified as pure insurance, given the uncertainty that we face. But what is badly needed is a consistent metric that allows us to judge whether any given objective is being achieved at minimum cost. The recent book by Professor MacKay, the newly appointed scientific adviser at DECC, provides an excellent starting point. I also very much welcome the intervention by the noble Earl, Lord Selborne, debunking the waste hierarchy and the act of faith that that embodies.

There is the issue of the science, which I had previously taken as given; but many people’s faith is being tested. We are often told that the science is settled. I suppose that is what the Inquisition said to Galileo. If so, why are we spending millions of pounds on research? The science is far from settled. There are major controversies not just about the contribution of CO2, on which most of the debate is focused, but about the influence of other factors such as water vapour, or clouds-the most powerful greenhouse gas-ocean currents and the sun, together with feedback effects which can be negative as well as positive.

Worse still, there are even controversies about the basic data on temperature. The series going back one, 10 or 100,000 years are, in the genuine sense of the word, synthetic. They are not direct observations but are melded together from proxies such as ice cores, ocean sediments and tree rings.

Given the extent to which the outcome is affected by the statistical techniques and the weightings applied by individual researchers, it is essential that the work is done as transparently as possible, with the greatest scope for challenge. That is why the disclosure of documents and e-mails from the Climatic Research Unit is so disturbing. Instead of an open debate, a picture is emerging of selective use of data, efforts to silence critics, and particularly a refusal to share data and methodologies.

It is essential that these allegations are independently and rigorously investigated. Naturally, I welcome the appointment of my old colleague, Sir Muir Russell, to lead this investigation; a civil servant with a physics degree is a rare beast indeed. He needs to establish what the documents really mean and recommend changes in governance and transparency which will restore confidence in the integrity of the data. This is not just an academic feud in the English department from a Malcolm Bradbury novel. The CRU is a major contributor to the IPCC process. The Government should not see this as a purely university matter. They are the funders of much of this research and their climate change policies are based on it.

We need to purge the debate of the unpleasant religiosity that surrounds it, of scientists acting like NGO activists, of propaganda based on fear, for example, the quite disgraceful government advertisement which tried to frighten young children-the final image being the family dog being drowned-and of claims about having “10 days to save the world”. Crude insults from the Prime Minister do not help.

The noble Lords, Lord Krebs and Lord May, and their eminent colleagues on the CCC have a choice. They can take the policy framework as given, the policy responses as given, the costs as given, and the science as given, and then proceed to churn out more and more sophisticated projections, or-as I hope-they can apply the formidable intellectual firepower they command and start to find answers to many of the unsolved questions.

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EdB
December 10, 2009 7:33 pm

Re BBC radio commentary:
It discussed e-mails, and left the listener that it was nothing serious..
The producer surely knows the real truth lies in the computer code. To NOT have mentioned that fact, makes him guilty of “tricking” the listener. Was it deliberate? I would say the evidence for that is “robust”.

Nigel S
December 10, 2009 7:48 pm

‘Falling behind the run rate…’
V. good, although it suggests that the Noble Lords have taken up the limited overs game.
There’s a breathless hush in the Close to-night
Ten to make and the match to win
A bumping pitch and a blinding light,
An hour to play and the last man in.
And it’s not for the sake of a ribboned coat,
Or the selfish hope of a season’s fame,
But his Captain’s hand on his shoulder smote
“Play up! play up! and play the game!”
The sand of the desert is sodden red,
Red with the wreck of a square that broke;
The Gatling’s jammed and the colonel dead,
And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
The river of death has brimmed his banks,
And England’s far, and Honour a name,
But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks,
“Play up! play up! and play the game!”

Graeme From Melbourne
December 10, 2009 7:49 pm

Does anyone know what has happened to the warmists that used to post here, i.e. Joel Shore, Mary Hinge, Flanagan, etc… that side of the conversation has gone awfully quite of late.

Michael
December 10, 2009 7:59 pm

I could see the Rothschild’s, Rockefeller’s and Soros’s families spending their entire families fortunes to buy the one thing they want most in all the world; Global government with everybody on the planet RFID chipped.
They will all go to their graves without getting what they wanted most of all.

Editor
December 10, 2009 8:02 pm

Hmmmm… an Anachronism like the House of Lords manages to preserve democracy in England? Kind of like watching democracy return to Spain with the restoration of a Bourbon King.
[REPLY – Hmmm. Consider the role pf the monarchy after the death of Franco. ~ Evan]

Jeremy
December 10, 2009 8:04 pm

Apparently the Met Office is confident that 2010 to be the warmest on record All based on CRU data which will take another 3 years to revise before it can be released to the public – sounds like they already know the answer of that 3 year “revision” of 160 years of climate data. Of course, if you control your own data you can make 2010 whatever you want it to be…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8406839.stm
How would you like your 2010 climate served sir….baked, fried, steamy, or hottest ever….would you like toast with that, how about some ketchup?

Editor
December 10, 2009 8:50 pm

REPLY – Hmmm. Consider the role pf the monarchy after the death of Franco. ~ Evan]
Ahh.. I knew there would be someone who would appreciate the reference… of course, Evan, it HAD to be you.
[REPLY – Well, I come into all this from the History/Demographics side of the academic aisle. ~ Evan]
Reply 2: You belong to the Demographic Demographic? ~ ctm

savethesharks
December 10, 2009 9:17 pm

Eloquently stated. I loved this quote:
“We need to purge the debate of the unpleasant religiosity that surrounds it, of scientists acting like NGO activists, of propaganda based on fear, for example, the quite disgraceful government advertisement which tried to frighten young children-the final image being the family dog being drowned-and of claims about having “10 days to save the world”. Crude insults from the Prime Minister do not help.”

theBuckWheat
December 10, 2009 9:21 pm

The single thing that can be done to reduce CO2 emissions is to source as much new electricity generation capacity from nuclear plants. It is downright silly to suggest that wind power has viable (er, “sustainable”) economics. At the very least, a utility must have other power plants on standby at all times so power needs can be met when the wind dies down, even briefly.
We must, above all, be totally honest about how much these weak alternative power sources cost.

Sean Peake
December 10, 2009 9:36 pm

The anti-AGW camp is now in a defensive stance. The rhetoric is reaching a fever pitch. The predictions have become more dire. But now the people have doubts about what is being spoon-fed to them and are willing to listen. Are you up to the task to defeat them? Calm, low-key, and quiet disagreement will not win the day. A concentrated offensive strategy is needed to keep up the momentum. Have no doubt, this is trench warfare and the AGW camp will resort to ANY callous and outrageous tactic to win. Fix bayonets, stand on the fire step and prepare to see and hear all kinds of barbarity as they try to beat you back.

Editor
December 10, 2009 9:40 pm

Evan and Charles:
One of my VERY minor interests is Demography. My lecture on demography starts:
Small societies are at a disadvantage: Ancient Greece, Rome and 16th Century France were the super powers of their ages. They also had larger populations than their neighbors.
300 million Americans, one half of one percent doing farming, fishing, mining and forestry…. the figures for China: 40%….. India 60%…
The Chinese and the Indians are not stupid. As we did a century ago, so will they… mechanize agriculture… and a half billion workers will be turned loose for manufacturing.

Michael
December 10, 2009 10:00 pm

” It seemed, on the verge of Copenhagen, as if that might be about to be achieved.
But he says all that ended on Nov. 20. “The e-mails represented a seminal moment in the climate debate of the last five years, and it was a moment that broke decisively against us. I think the CRU leak is nothing less than catastrophic.” ”
Climategate: Anatomy of
a Public Relations Disaster
http://www.e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2221

December 10, 2009 10:00 pm

Now is the time for Western free-thinkers to pause and reflect on what OTHER lies their leaders might have told them.
They are willing to invent huge lies to get the public to go along with their plans. America probably wouldn’t have accepted an escalation in Afghanistan from John McCain, but so far we are accepting it from Obama.
The elitists are wearing a Liberal mask, this season, to feed us Global Warming, just like they wore a Conservative mask last season to feed us 9/11.

December 10, 2009 10:00 pm

Anthony,
What is your take on the non-partisan group FactCheck.org defending the CRU folks in that all this is vastly overblown, and that in full context first of all, all the data is still available and nothing was really “dumped” and also that the emails present little more than very human emotions and consternation over what the CRU researchers felt was substandard work in the deniers, etc.
Also, regarding the “trick” stuff, that kind of talk and the “fixing” of data was explained by New Scientist as necessary and dumb NOT to do given that this is very common in certain kinds of measurements, like temperature data (adjusting to account for anomalies like heat island effect, etc)?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
Reply: Read This. ~ ctm

December 10, 2009 10:02 pm

Anthony, your site is getting linked to quite a bit also by conservative/libertarian types all over the Net, so I wanted also your input on the following: (OK, really to play the Devil’s Advocate here and pull out info, since I’m neither a climatologist nor computer expert) what is your response to THIS, from Sharon Begely.
Seems her argument is that the emails in the first place contained nothing damning other than the very real and difficult/tedious work of REAL climate scientists, who got quite understandably frustrated with the dumbbunny denialist crowd, and some email correspondence detailing said frustration.
Many of us would sooner not have some emails revealed and aired out in broad daylight, no?
About the same line of thinking, it seems (though they no longer allow new registrations for comments) showed up on Little Green Footballs, which in turn references an article in New Scientist.
Said LGF:

Despite efforts by the climate change denial industry to promote this as the definitive proof that global warming is a “hoax” by evil scientists trying to get rich and dominate the world, the fact is that there is nothing in the emails that even comes close to this exaggerated, hysterical claim. It’s a phony scandal, based on stolen and cherry-picked emails, and pumped up like a Macy’s clown balloon by dishonest people.

From another LGF post with more links, there is THIS regarding the allegation that CRU “dumped” or “destroyed” their climate-modeling temperature data.
Apparently NOT:

“Just one little problem with this latest tempest in a teapot — no data was destroyed. And the article at The Times, oddly enough, just happens to leave out that part of Phil Jones’ explanation.
According to CRU’s Web site, “Data storage availability in the 1980s meant that we were not able to keep the multiple sources for some sites, only the station series after adjustment for homogeneity issues. We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.”
Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit, said that the vast majority of the station data was not altered at all, and the small amount that was changed was adjusted for consistency.
The research unit has deleted less than 5 percent of its original station data from its database because the stations had several discontinuities or were affected by urbanization trends, Jones said.
“When you’re looking at climate data, you don’t want stations that are showing urban warming trends,” Jones said, “so we’ve taken them out.” Most of the stations for which data was removed are located in areas where there were already dense monitoring networks, he added. “We rarely removed a station in a data-sparse region of the world.”

Refuting CEI’s claims of data-destruction, Jones said, “We haven’t destroyed anything. The data is still there — you can still get these stations from the [NOAA] National Climatic Data Center.”

By the way, here’s some information on the group spreading the “destroyed data” claim: Competitive Enterprise Institute.
CEI is a think tank funded by donations from individuals, foundations and corporations. CEI does not accept government funding. Past and present funders include the Scaife Foundations, Exxon Mobil, the Ford Motor Company Fund, Pfizer, and the Earhart Foundation[5][6]. …
CEI is also active in the legal aspects of antitrust and government regulation. As part of its “Control Abuse of Power” (CAP) project, CEI launched lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the 1998 tobacco Master Settlement Agreement and the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB), respectively.
Again, the connection to energy industries and big tobacco. Almost every one of the main anti-AGW front groups is connected to either big energy or big tobacco, and often both.

Now, some excepts from that aforementioned New Scientist article:

“Forget about the temperature records compiled by researchers such as those whose emails were hacked. Next spring, go out into your garden or the nearby countryside and note when the leaves unfold, when flowers bloom, when migrating birds arrive and so on. Compare your findings with historical records, where available, and you’ll probably find spring is coming days, even weeks earlier than a few decades ago.


You can’t fake spring coming earlier, or trees growing higher up on mountains, or glaciers retreating for kilometres up valleys, or shrinking ice cover in the Arctic, or birds changing their migration times, or permafrost melting in Alaska, or the tropics expanding, or ice shelves on the Antarctic peninsula breaking up, or peak river flow occurring earlier in summer because of earlier snowmelt, or sea level rising faster and faster, or any of the thousands of similar examples.


None of these observations by themselves prove the world is warming; they could simply be regional effects, for instance. But put all the data from around the world together, and you have overwhelming evidence of a long-term warming trend.”

And so it went over at NS.

E.M.Smith
Editor
December 10, 2009 10:15 pm

Ron de Haan (16:40:03) : Dec 10, 2009 (www.icecap.us)
Forget Carbon, Copenhagen Scientists Find New Target to Spend Our Money on – Nitrogen!

My Friends, I must now convert to The House of Warmers. For all these months and years, toiling as I may, I have been toiling in vain. For clearly I have been in error. I had forgotten Nitrogen. As part of my conversion to being a Warmer, I feel I must dedicate my life to assessing the impact of this newly identified threat to humanity; nay, to the very existence of all life on earth.
To that end, I will forthwith commence, at great personal peril, an intense study of the impact on the environment of the metabolic byproduct of the consumption of the zymurgy byproduct of Hordeum (be it spontaneum, vulgare L, or any of the diploid, tetraploid, or even hexaploid types). This will be done either as the “fresh” 5-9% product fully contaminated with carbonic acid, or, again at great personal peril, the 40% product even after exposure to the pyrolysis carcinogens produced from various Quercus and Sphagnum species. Of course, to achieve these ends, the zymurgy product will need to consist of an especially high proportion of those that have had long and persistent exposure to the pyrolysis products so that maximal effect can be assessed.
To assure that no person is put at risk without informed consent and that it is clear what risks exist, I will use myself as both the primary researcher and the primary test subject. To the extent funding can be secured, other volunteers may be recruited, provided they pass an extensive interview process that would assess their ability to tolerate the noxious side effects of the large doses that well may need to be applied for proper evaluation.
Let there be no doubt, the fait of the world hangs in the balance. So I am sure various national, and supra-national, governmental agencies will understand this need and provide a suitable research budget, with only a small stipend for me, the researcher / primary test subject, but with a generous budget for facilities and supplies.
We simply must gain a greater understanding of the environmental impacts of the vast quantities of these zymurgy products set loose in the economy and the nitrogen rich metabolites produced hours, or sometimes mere minutes, later. It is up to you. Please, do it for the children.
Your humble servant, E. M. Smith
P.S. When can I expect my grant money? I’m feeling a bit parched… and I’m down to my last barley malt…
/parodyoff>
Hey, it’s at least as good a thesis as hockey sticks, tree rings, bear poo ( I once helped a friend collect ‘scats’ for a paper…), and computer climate fantasies.

Chazz
December 10, 2009 10:18 pm

Excellent speech. I particularly liked his observation that if “the science is settled”, why are we spending all these millions on research?

Malaga View
December 10, 2009 10:43 pm

tallbloke (16:11:50) :
Yep, it doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government always gets in

Sad but true…

Aligner
December 10, 2009 10:56 pm

OT. Anyone out there looked closely at this?
“Aerosols in the Atmosphere: From Mexico to Japan, Finland to Switzerland, the Same Everywhere”

Holistic approach to aerosol research boosts prediction power for climate and air quality models.
These particles influence cloud formation and therefore rainfall. They also affect human health and can lead to illnesses like asthma, heart disease and lung cancer.

E.M.Smith
Editor
December 10, 2009 11:21 pm

AdderW (18:45:57) :
It seems to me, and it is all becoming very clear to me now, here is how the scam was going to work: …
so he gains on both the “warming” and the cooling

I suspect you are right, but it was more than Mann, it was the whole Team and their backers. But they missed their schedule.
There is some evidence in the pattern of ‘fudging’ of the GHCN data that looks to me like a ‘last ditch’ effort to get’re done (i.e. keep the year over year warming showing up from a flat input). I think what happened was a little tuning in the early 1980’s, then more in the late 1980s (but most of the ‘load’ was carried by changes in GIStemp and CRUT). Then once GIStemp code was released, they expected to be done, but things dragged on… So the thermometer cutting became ever more extreme. To the extent that by 1990-1991, they had to go whole hog and cut to the 90% gone / 10% left level in a precipitous chop. (no one had caught the earlier cuts / bias… so… risky, but the double dip had to happen…).
Then things drug on some more. There is a slight time delay built into GIStemp (data is smeared a year or two in time a bit, and a ‘too short’ record (below 20 years) as it ‘ages in’ to 20+ years suddenly “shows up” in the product. But it’s been almost 20 years since 1990,,,
The “fudge more” ran out of gas about 1998 and stalled out, while nature showed up on cyclical schedule. And yes, it’s all “Bush’s Fault”. He wasn’t supposed to win, and that screwed up the schedule. 😉 Kyoto was supposed to be The Deal Closer. And it belly flopped.
Now we have dramatically rising carbon dioxide, no hope of reducing it for 20 years, and a dramatically cooling winter last year and this. Thus the hysteria about Copenhagen.
This is the last chance to tighten the noose. If we slip the noose now, they are in a losing race with an ever colder history…
So what happened? Anthony starts whacking at the thermometer quality. Steve punches holes in their math. Climategate breaks. In some small way, I’ve “shown the method” of the GHCN hack and the GIStemp bogositites. And the general news is now starting to ask pointed questions…
They, The Team, are not having a good day.
And they must, by now, have figured out that “the jig is up”. They must know that the SHTF and are just trying to whistle past the graveyard and hope to score the goal and declare victory so maybe all the lead-in will be forgotten…
But they know that co2 will be rising for the next decade or three and temperatures will be dropping. And they ought to know that the mob tracking down their shenanigans is growing.
So I have one word of advice to them:
Confess.
The long form:
Come clean now, and early, and you can probably ‘cut a deal’ for testimony. If you don’t: Be afraid. Be very afraid.
We’re “onto you” and we have the goods now. We’ve got the leaked stuff on CRU (and the internal affairs folks will be going over what was not leaked.)
We will get the FOIA requests forced on NASA and NOAA (a couple of Senators and Representatives have started motions to assure that…).
And most importantly, we’ve got the evidence in the thermometer record changes. The ‘foot prints in the snow’ will just not go away.
And finally, there is a fairly competent group of folks hound dogging your past and present steps. We are outside the control of anyone. Not on any payroll. Not under any authority. Not subject to buggered peer review filtering. We are the New Public Review Reality, and we are here to stay.
I, for one, will be chewing a hole in your “story” for the rest of my natural life… and I can chew a pretty good chunk. But once the story is “out”, well, I’ll go back to other things. Until that day, you can expect a few things:
1) An honest data series to be produced (be it from surfacetemps.org or be it SmithTemp). The data buggering is being “outed” now.
2) An honest analysis done on that data.
3) A forensic comparison of those two with your work product (and a spotlight on just what was buggered and how, which will then point at who. And I’ll be happy to advertise just who is whom).
4) A book or two. Doesn’t matter if “the agenda” gets passed or not, I think I’ve got enough to make a decent “tech forensics” book out of this. Been wanting to write such a thing for a while… Frankly, once “the agenda” is passed, folks will be even MORE interested in how they were “taken” so sales will be better. And by then, your name will be in it.
5) Endless looking over your shoulder. Even in retirement. Even after you are dead and buried. You can be the ‘whistle blower’ hero, or you can be the next Ponsi / Madoff. Up to you. But you are too late for a ‘walk away clean’ ending. You missed the window. We’re already dropping into a deepfreeze and the temperature buggering is becoming ever more widely known.
Oh, and the ‘footprints in the snow’, the email logs, the backups and the meeting notes. The record will persist. It’s a ticking time bomb and you are sitting on it. It will happen. When is the only unknown.
Think about it. You don’t have much time. Even the house of Lords is starting to ask questions…

dearieme
December 10, 2009 11:29 pm

“BTW, I liked the term Warm-mongers as the name to describe the Warmest movement. The term was coined by Andrew Bolt”: long after I started using ot, though, and I’ve no particular reason to suppose I was the first.

Aligner
December 11, 2009 12:10 am

TerryS (16:03:43) :
You paint a wildly inaccurate picture, Terry.

The thing a lot people dislike about the House of Lords is the fact they are unelected and cannot easily be kicked out once appointed. This is also their strength.

The New Labour project removed most of the hereditary peers via the House of Lords Act 1999 and will remove the remainder if returned to power next year. A breakdown of the partisan placemen setup that currently exists can be found here.

Once there they do not depend upon a political party for their “job” and they don’t have to pander to popular opinion. They can render decisions based on what is right and not what is politically expedient.

While I agree with the sentiment, that’s an illusion. Several junior minister posts are held by members of the House of Lords. Appointment of life peers is still largely at the behest of party political leaders with no voting by the electorate. This is not democracy but pure cronyism that compromises the whole purpose of a second chamber. The example of Peter Mandleson’s hasty ennoblement then immediate appointment as “First Secretary of State, Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills, President of the Board of Trade and Lord President of the Council” in one foul swoop by Gordon Brown (accompanied by much unquestioning BBC propaganda) is an utter disgrace not even worthy of a banana republic.
Having resigned his post as EU Trade Commissioner the “Prince of Darkness” now exercises control over vast swathes of Whitehall. This completely unelected Bilderberger, twice previously forced to resign from cabinet positions in disgrace, is now for all intents and purposes running the UK. Here is his WikiPedia entry, be sure to view the discussion tab.

The house of commons (the elected politicians) don’t have to enact what the Lords say, but they cannot ignore them.

Meaningless I’m afraid. You are forgetting about the Parliament Act 1949, IMHO the most undemocratic and pernicious piece of legislation ever. Note the history of its origin and use; only four times, three of which have been since 1997 by New Labour. Also note that unlike the US Senate, the House of Lords has no influence over public expenditure.
IMHO we in the UK no longer live in a democracy. The House of Lords now has very little power and acts largely as a free retirement home for former politicians and party donors, appointment of whom the electorate has no control over whatsoever. Also don’t forget the “Cash for Honours” and “Cash for Influence” debacles, both under New Labour and neither effectively resolved.
There are perhaps lessons to be learnt from this sorry state by all those rightly proud of the US Constitution. Subversion of democracy by the third way is a drawn-out dirty game, ignore the early signs at your peril.

P.Laini
December 11, 2009 12:18 am

“We are often told that the science is settled. I suppose that is what the Inquisition said to Galileo. ”
On the contrary, I suppose that even the Inquisition would not say that science was settled, and didn’t. More and more I think that we underestimate people of that time and suspect sadly that in many ways the true Dark Ages are now.
It’s always time to recognize how little we know and begin to review some crystallized ideas. Just an start point on the subject of Galileo, with Thomas Woods, an important American historian::

Reply: This post pushed the limits of religious discussion, but in my opinion, dispelling the common notions of the relationship between Galileo and the Church justify allowing it. ~ charles the moderator

E.M.Smith
Editor
December 11, 2009 12:23 am

Graeme From Melbourne (19:49:52) : Does anyone know what has happened to the warmists that used to post here, i.e. Joel Shore, Mary Hinge, Flanagan, etc… that side of the conversation has gone awfully quite of late.
I’ve noticed a very useful pattern to their side. If you have a weakness in your argument (or even a reasonably strong argument, but seem to have poor mastery of a point they can ignore) you will get a strong attack.
But when you have a rock solid case, they simply go quiet. Not a peep. No sense giving any added air time to that strong case by being a foil that causes more discussion.
So when you hear dead air, when there is NOTHING in response to a point you made: Mark it down in you best arguments list. Save it. Promote it. Pull it out and stuff it in front of them as often as you can. DO NOT just let is pass by and fade away.
This “tell” is worth more than gold. It confirms when you have a “magic bullet”. Cherish it.
So I suspect that, in addition to being in Copenhagen for some of The Team, they are also doing the “duck and cover” drill. But don’t worry. Though they were told it will all be over with The Treaty, Copenhagen will fail. China, India, Russia, Brazil have all assured that. And Climategate assure the Senate will not ratify should Obama sign some paper or other. So they will be back. But listen to the silence, and take notes when it happens…

Charles. U. Farley
December 11, 2009 12:54 am

Michael (17:36:31) :
AdderW (17:10:36) : Wrote
“My new mantra:
Refuter is the word – I am a refuter
Absolutely.
Michaels point re- subversion of language.
specifically the use of the word “pollution” to encompass CO2 is one of those methods the warmist fundamentalists use.
See through them for what they are and to coin a phrase “Refute” them.