Climategate reaches the British House of Lords

The House of Lords meets in a lavishly decorated chamber, in the Gothic style, in the Palace of Westminster (see below). Image from Wikipedia

There is the issue of the science, which I had previously taken as given; but many people’s faith is being tested. We are often told that the science is settled. I suppose that is what the Inquisition said to Galileo. If so, why are we spending millions of pounds on research? The science is far from settled. – Lord Turnbull Dec 8th 2009

House of Lords, 8 December 2009: Lord Turnbull: My Lords, on first reading the Committee on Climate Change’s latest progress report, I found it an impressive document. It was broad in scope and very detailed. But the more I dug into it the more troubled I became. Below the surface there are serious questions about the foundations on which it has been constructed. There are questions in four areas-the framework created by the Climate Change Act 2008, the policy responses at EU and UK level, the estimate of costs and finally the scientific basis on which the whole scheme of things rests. I will consider each in turn.

Unlike many of those involved in the climate change field, I have no pecuniary interest to declare, but I am a founder trustee of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, which seeks to bring rationality, objectivity and, above all, tolerance to the debate.

I have long been in the camp of what might be called the semi-sceptics. I have taken the science on trust, while becoming increasingly critical of the policy responses being made to achieve a given CO2 or global warming constraint. First, let us look at the Climate Change Act, which has been highly praised, even today, as the most comprehensive and ambitious framework anywhere in the world-a real pioneering first for the UK. However, it has serious flaws. It starts by imposing a completely unworkable duty on the Secretary of State to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 80 per cent by 2050, even though many of the actions required lie outside his control. It would have been better, as the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, and I argued, for the duty to be connected to what the Secretary of State can control, such as his own actions and policies, and not the outcome, which he cannot.

In the Act’s passage through Parliament, the target was raised from 60 per cent to 80 per cent, with little discussion of its costs or feasibility. It is a simple arithmetic calculation to show that if the UK economy continues to grow at its historic trend rate, we will need, only 40 years from now, to produce each £1,000 of GDP with only 8 per cent of the carbon we use today. That is a cut of [92] per cent. Many observers think that this is implausible. A recent report by the Institution of Mechanical Engineers reported that the rate of improvement in carbon intensity/productivity would need to quadruple from the 1.3 per cent achieved in the five years up to the recession to around 5.5 per cent. It would need to be even higher at the end of the period to make up for what the noble Lord, Lord May, calls falling behind the run rate.

Professor Dieter Helm has pointed out that the measurement system used in the Kyoto framework and in the UK’s carbon accounts is a misleading guide to what is really being achieved. The carbon accounts use the territorial method-that is, the emissions from UK territory. In this way, the UK is able to claim that CO2 emissions have been reduced, but that is a misleading way of measuring a nation’s carbon footprint and its impact on the world. It should include the carbon in its imports. If this was done it would show that we are going backwards, since we would be forced to take responsibility for the manufacturing that we have outsourced to such countries as China but are still consuming. The current method is, of course, politically very convenient as it allows us to label China as the world’s largest emitter. The embedded carbon calculation is, I accept, far more complicated, but it is far more honest.

Benches in the House of Lords Chamber are coloured red. In contrast, the House of Commons is decorated in green. Image from Wikipedia.

Another flaw in the framework is that the targets are unconditional. It is a legal duty, irrespective of what other countries achieve. Some, including me, argue that there should be two targets: one of which is a commitment, and a higher one which we will argue for internationally but only undertake as part of an agreement. Ironically, this is precisely the approach that the EU is taking with its 20 per cent reduction target by 2020, which would be raised to 30 per cent as part of an international agreement. The danger is that by going it alone we could face a double whammy, paying for decarbonising our own economy, yet still having to pay for the costs of raising our sea defences if others do not follow suit.

Secondly, let us consider the specific policies that have been adopted. Current EU policy follows two inconsistent paths. On the one hand, the ETS seeks to establish a common price for CO2, against which various competing technologies can be measured. The market share of each is determined by the relative costs. This is attractive to economists, since it allows the cost per tonne of CO2 abated to be equalised at the margin, thereby ensuring that the cost of achieving any CO2 target is minimised. The problem is that, despite its theoretical attractions, the ETS is failing. It provides no clear signal on the price of carbon on which investors can base their decisions. The committee, in this report, estimates that the ETS CO2 price in 2020 will be around €22 per tonne. The committee has rightly identified the central contradiction in its own report: the carbon price will be too low and too uncertain to stimulate the low-carbon investments needed to validate the committee’s projections.

At the same time, the EU is following a different approach under its 20:20:20 plan-to achieve a 20 per cent reduction in CO2 by 2020, with 20 per cent of energy coming from renewables. In this way, it predetermines a market share for a technology-renewables-rather than letting the merit order decide. The danger is that in pressing to achieve this target, which implies that over 30 per cent of electricity generation will come from renewables, some renewables capacity will be created which will be more expensive than other responses.

There is also a lack of clarity about the true cost of wind power, once we factor in the cost of retaining a large amount of underutilised conventional capacity, and the extension of the grid. The noble Lord, Lord Reay, has said more than enough on that so I do not need to follow that line of argument.

There is illogicality in the treatment of nuclear energy in the climate change levy. It is ridiculous that nuclear power, as a low-carbon source, is still in the taxable box. For 50 years, a major experiment has been conducted just 20 miles off our coast. France has generated three-quarters of its electricity from nuclear power. The French believe that it has been a huge success, delivering electricity which is secure, cheap and stable in price. France’s carbon intensity is 0.3 of a tonne per $1,000 of GDP, compared to 0.42 in the UK, 0.51 in Germany-so much for it being a market leader-and 0.63 in the US. However, the French option has barely been considered in this country.

As part of the EU plan, 10 per cent of road fuel is mandated to come from biofuels, but by the time this was enacted the credibility of first-generation biofuels had collapsed. Finally, our policy framework lacks balance. It is almost exclusively focused on mitigation through CO2 reduction, The Institution of Mechanical Engineers has argued for what it calls a MAG approach, with effort being committed not just to mitigation but to adaptation and geo-engineering.

Thirdly, there is the issue of cost. All we had to go on at the time when the target was set more ambitiously was the estimate by the noble Lord, Lord Stern, of 1 per cent of GDP. Many people were sceptical at the time and probably even more are now, including, it seems, the noble Lord, Lord Stern, himself. It was reported in the press last week that he now thinks that it might be 2 per cent, but could rise to 5 per cent. I hope he will clarify this when he speaks to us shortly.

In the document that we have before us, the committee says that it previously estimated that costs in 2020 would be about 1 per cent of GDP. That is consistent with its view that it might get to 2 per cent by 2050. In the new report it simply reaffirms the 1 per cent figure in just one paragraph in 250 pages. That is it. I have to say to the noble Lords, Lord Krebs and Lord May, that I do not think that that is adequate. It is difficult to relate these figures to what we are observing on the ground about the difficulties and costs of bringing on stream different technologies such as offshore wind and CCS.

One of the problems bedevilling the debate is the lack of transparency over the huge cross-subsidies that are being created by the renewables obligation and the regime for feed-in tariffs. There is no assurance that their extent is commensurate with the benefits in CO2 abated. My electricity costs me 11p per kilowatt hour. If I erected a wind turbine, I could sell the power I produced to the grid for a whopping 23p. I think I would go out and buy a gizmo which linked my inward meter to my outward meter. That excess cost is averaged over the bills of consumers as a whole, but how much is it in total, or for individual consumers? Here I differ from the noble Lord, Lord May. The whole issue of cost must be given far more attention. The Government cannot ask people to make radical changes to their lifestyle without being more open about the costs that they are being asked to bear.

I accept that “do nothing” is not the right option. Some measures, such as energy efficiency, heat recovery from waste and biomass, and stopping deforestation are probably justified on their own merits. More nuclear power which, in turn, would open the way for electrification of our transport fleet would enhance security of supply. Other measures may be justified as pure insurance, given the uncertainty that we face. But what is badly needed is a consistent metric that allows us to judge whether any given objective is being achieved at minimum cost. The recent book by Professor MacKay, the newly appointed scientific adviser at DECC, provides an excellent starting point. I also very much welcome the intervention by the noble Earl, Lord Selborne, debunking the waste hierarchy and the act of faith that that embodies.

There is the issue of the science, which I had previously taken as given; but many people’s faith is being tested. We are often told that the science is settled. I suppose that is what the Inquisition said to Galileo. If so, why are we spending millions of pounds on research? The science is far from settled. There are major controversies not just about the contribution of CO2, on which most of the debate is focused, but about the influence of other factors such as water vapour, or clouds-the most powerful greenhouse gas-ocean currents and the sun, together with feedback effects which can be negative as well as positive.

Worse still, there are even controversies about the basic data on temperature. The series going back one, 10 or 100,000 years are, in the genuine sense of the word, synthetic. They are not direct observations but are melded together from proxies such as ice cores, ocean sediments and tree rings.

Given the extent to which the outcome is affected by the statistical techniques and the weightings applied by individual researchers, it is essential that the work is done as transparently as possible, with the greatest scope for challenge. That is why the disclosure of documents and e-mails from the Climatic Research Unit is so disturbing. Instead of an open debate, a picture is emerging of selective use of data, efforts to silence critics, and particularly a refusal to share data and methodologies.

It is essential that these allegations are independently and rigorously investigated. Naturally, I welcome the appointment of my old colleague, Sir Muir Russell, to lead this investigation; a civil servant with a physics degree is a rare beast indeed. He needs to establish what the documents really mean and recommend changes in governance and transparency which will restore confidence in the integrity of the data. This is not just an academic feud in the English department from a Malcolm Bradbury novel. The CRU is a major contributor to the IPCC process. The Government should not see this as a purely university matter. They are the funders of much of this research and their climate change policies are based on it.

We need to purge the debate of the unpleasant religiosity that surrounds it, of scientists acting like NGO activists, of propaganda based on fear, for example, the quite disgraceful government advertisement which tried to frighten young children-the final image being the family dog being drowned-and of claims about having “10 days to save the world”. Crude insults from the Prime Minister do not help.

The noble Lords, Lord Krebs and Lord May, and their eminent colleagues on the CCC have a choice. They can take the policy framework as given, the policy responses as given, the costs as given, and the science as given, and then proceed to churn out more and more sophisticated projections, or-as I hope-they can apply the formidable intellectual firepower they command and start to find answers to many of the unsolved questions.

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Keith
December 10, 2009 3:43 pm

Good stuff but the Lords is only a revising chamber and anyway stuffed with life peers picked by the Goverment. We have an elected dictatorship, essentially, with fewer checks and balances than the USA. But, to quote from an advert used by a major UK supermarket “every little helps”
I suppose we can take some comfort from the hopeless implementation of policy, except its our money they waste and the law of unintended consequences will kick in – candles anyone, for when the lights go out?
Pity he hadn’t seen the recent ice core stuff which shows how trivial any warming we have actually is, looking back thousands of years, and how unlikely CO2 is as culprit…

Rod
December 10, 2009 3:44 pm

Thank goodness for the upper chamber in democratic politics. As has happened on the climate issue in the Australian Senate, here we have the ill-considered excesses of the Government in power being held to account by some thoughtful common sense. Let us hope it has an impact. And similarly as soon as possible in the US Senate, where there are also at least some minds blessed with the necessary fair share of simple common sense, if not the political majority.

Clive
December 10, 2009 3:45 pm

Skeptic Tank said, “.. ask yourself, in what other environment are people permitted to act and speak the way they do?”
Well for one, the Canadian parliament during question period. ☺ ☺ ☺

Michael
December 10, 2009 3:56 pm

I’m uploading a video titled;
Stossel and Beck Analyze UN Copenhagen Video and Free Golf Carts
So True and sad it will make you laugh and cry at the same time.
Coming Soon.

Methow Ken
December 10, 2009 3:57 pm

Outstanding speech by Lord Turnbull. Long live the House of Lords.
I especially like this part towards the end:
”We need to purge the debate of the unpleasant religiosity that surrounds it, of scientists acting like NGO activists, of propaganda based on fear”
Exactly.

Ray
December 10, 2009 3:58 pm

tallbloke (15:32:28) :
I am not here to divide anything.
It might be a good speech but in the same speech saying on one side that global warming is real and we must do something and later admitting that the science is doubtful… I can’t reconcile both of those sides and I don’t know how he could. From his speech, it’s not just the science that is corrupted but the politics too.
I go with Lord Monckton when he said to have the courage to do nothing.
I am part of those 48% that visit this blog.

Mark.R
December 10, 2009 4:00 pm

Prime Minister John Key’s comments on climate change have come to the world’s attention, earning New Zealand a “fossil of the day” award at the Copenhagen climate change negotiations.
New Zealand’s third place dishonour on Thursday, behind Poland and Germany, was awarded for Key’s comments in Parliament this week that he would not increase the country’s 2020 greenhouse gas emissions reduction target.
Our emission targets are low and that’s not supported by the New Zealand public.
More than 180,000 New Zealanders have signed on to Greenpeace’s “Sign On” campaign calling for a 40 per cent cut in emissions, relative to 1990 levels.
(NOTE THEIR ARE 4200000 PEOPLE IN NEW ZEALAND.)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3150804/New-Zealand-gets-climate-fossil-award

TerryS
December 10, 2009 4:03 pm

The thing a lot people dislike about the House of Lords is the fact they they are unelected and can not easy be kicked out once appointed. This is also their strength. Once there they do not depend upon a political party for their “job” and they don’t have to pander to popular opinion. They can render decisions based on what is right and not what is politically expedient. The house of commons (the elected politicians) don’t have to enact what the Lords say, but they can not ignore them.

Trev
December 10, 2009 4:06 pm

A discussion on ‘THIS WEEK’ on BBC where BBC man (well freelance) Andrew Neil and ex MP Michael Portillo put reasoned argument to warmist Nick Cohen – whose only response was to say that the alternative word for ‘deniers’ was ‘idiots’.
Neil was polite otherwise he would I am sure pressed his point further – but Portillo was reasoned in his criticism and the egregious Cohen had no answer but to put blind faith not so much in in junk science (which it may be – he is in no position to say) but in secretive, colluding, self serving ‘science’..

December 10, 2009 4:06 pm

What a beautifully structured speech to leave in the Hansard.
I am especially impressed by mention of the ‘controversy’ over ‘basic data’….and not just in paleo-climate, but recent temperature data of the last year or decade…THAT THESE ARE ALSO A CONSTRUCT.
And from where does this controversy eminate?…nowhere else but here on the blogs. So, indeed, Anthony it is not just climategate that has reach the fogies in the house of lords, they are now hearing the broader message. Bravo! and yes GOOD MOVE with the adjusted Darwin story sticky right up there on the top.
Here is the quote:
“Worse still, there are even controversies about the basic data on temperature. The series going back one, 10 or 100,000 years are, in the genuine sense of the word, synthetic. They are not direct observations…”

Kevin Kilty
December 10, 2009 4:07 pm

Doug (15:08:34) :
Why can’t someone in our US Congress write like this? It’s awesome – a fine reflection of intelectual honesty & fundamental truth.

Our own Senate may yet rise to the occasion this time, but when I watch Prime Minister’s Q&A on CSPAN, or read something like this, I can’t help but smile at the lofty title of our Senate as world’s greatest deliberative body. Indeed.

timheyes
December 10, 2009 4:08 pm

u.k.(us) (15:36:10) :
The whole basis of carbon credit trading is a defacto virtual fiat currency trade already – just call it a carbon dollar instead of a credit. The only difference is that conventional fiat currencies are buoyed up by the figurative hot air of central banks whereas carbon credits are buoyed up by literal hot air….er… or not if you see what i mean?
No wonder Soros wants a carbon currency. There’s a guy who knows how to trade fiat instruments.

APE
December 10, 2009 4:09 pm

OT
Campbell Brown now has Patrick Michaels vs Bill Nye Science Guy?? on CNN
Dr. Michaels just slaughters him (tastefully of course)
http://campbellbrown.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/09/is-there-a-climate-conspiracy/

December 10, 2009 4:11 pm

Keith (15:43:18) :
Good stuff but the Lords is only a revising chamber and anyway stuffed with life peers picked by the Goverment.

Yep, it doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.
Labour ,, Conservative ; the two cheeks of the same arse.

December 10, 2009 4:11 pm

Keith (15:43:18) :
Good stuff but the Lords is only a revising chamber and anyway stuffed with life peers picked by the Goverment.

Yep, it doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.
Labour ,, Conservative ; the two cheeks of the same backside.

astonerii
December 10, 2009 4:12 pm

They will never accept nuclear power as an alternative to fossil fuels, as it does not accomplish the true goal, which is to reduce the population of the planet. Even if we turned a 100% effort into renewable energy, we would never get enough wind farms and solar farms built to meet our energy needs. That is a not a flaw in the thinking. They will force us to declare that we will cut carbon use by 80%, with the idea that we can use solar and wind to replace oil and coal, and then when we are bound by that agreement, they will tell us that there is not one place on earth that is not sacrosanct enough that we can build on it. Desert, nope, plains, nope, mountains, nope. Sorry, I guess what you will have to do is what the Chinese have said, population control and try to get down to 5B, not enough, 4B, not enough, 3B, nope, … 300M Bingo, And of course we will never get there by attrition and birth control alone, thus there will have to be some form of death machine to do it.

jrshipley
December 10, 2009 4:12 pm

Emails not quoted by conspiracy theorists (sorta hard to spin/twist/distort these), which Lord Turnbull might look at:
Michael Mann to Ed Cook re long-term temperature trends and how to resolve differences in research findings. “There are some substantial scientific differences here, lets let them play out the way they are supposed to, objectively, and in the peer reviewed literature.” April 12, 2002.
Eric Steig explaining the goal for new paper to examine more closely the bearing that a particular line of evidence (icehole bores) has on the temperature record since the last ice age. “An example might be that the “thermal maximum” was actually warmer than present – a major issue of contention in the popular literature – and was more-or-less simultaneous in both polar regions. If this is correct, it will be a useful service to the paleoclimate community to demonstrate it. Alternatively, we may find after carefully looking at the data that we CANNOT reach such a conclusion. This would be an equally important result.” (emphasis added.) December 12, 2000.
Michael Mann to Ed Cook in an exchange about the possibility of Cook’s research being used to attack Mann’s findings: “Lets figure this all out based on good, careful work and see what the data has to say in the end. We’re working towards this ourselves, using revised methods and including borehole data, etc. and will keep everyone posted on this.” May 2, 2001.
Jonathan Overpeck to a team of scientists he coordinating to write a section of the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report Summary for Policymakers, the goal of which is to make clear the most certain aspects of the science that policymakers need to understand in order to make policy decisions. “We have to make sure we stick to only the best science.” July 14, 2005.
Keith Briffa and Tim Osborn to Tom Crowley, discussing how to best represent what’s known about the “Medeival Warming Period” for the upcoming 4th Assessment Report. “I **absolutely** agree that we must avoid any bias or perception of bias. My comment on “nailing” was made to mean that uninformed people keeping coming back to the mwp, and describing it for what I believe it wasn’t. Our job is to make it clear what it was within the limits of the data. If the data are not clear, then we have to be not clear.” July 20, 2005.

TanGeng
December 10, 2009 4:13 pm

More like the House of Lords has no power so they aren’t constantly being bombarded by bribes by the vested interests at large.
That’s why House of Lords will be reflect truth more than the House of Commons.

Layne Blanchard
December 10, 2009 4:15 pm

Gotta love this guy. In the second paragraph he notes he is a founding trustee of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (whatever that might be) yet, he isn’t a member of the church of green zealotry. I’m not familiar with British Government structure, but it’s great to see this balanced, non political view from someone with stature and (apparently) the trust of many others. This is desperately needed. And I for one am a fan of the flowery prose of the Brits. It IS their language, after all. 🙂

December 10, 2009 4:22 pm

Ray (15:58:42) :
tallbloke (15:32:28) :
I am not here to divide anything.
It might be a good speech but in the same speech saying on one side that global warming is real and we must do something and later admitting that the science is doubtful… I can’t reconcile both of those sides and I don’t know how he could.

Lord Turnbull:
“I have taken the science on trust, while becoming increasingly critical of the policy responses being made to achieve a given CO2 or global warming constraint.”
Subtext: and now I’m becoming increasingly critical of the science too and I want it properly investigated.
Lord Turnbull six paragraphs further down:
“It is essential that these allegations are independently and rigorously investigated. ”
There you go. I didn’t see anywhere that he said he thought [man made] global warming was real, or not. He quite wisely says he’ll go with the scientists, providing they put in place
“changes in governance and transparency which will restore confidence in the integrity of the data”
In other words, he wants to see the scientific method being followed by climate scientists.

Ed Zuiderwijk
December 10, 2009 4:28 pm

But the real problem with any “climate change” regulations is of course that the basic assumption underlaying it all, the “central dogma” that CO2 is a climate driver (as opposed to something else, cloud cover for instance), is wrong. I often read in comments that it’s pure physics and that it’s settled, but actually I do know a bit or two about radiative energy transport in planetary atmospheres and the numbers just don’t add up. Any effect of CO2 is heavely overrated. And with that the whole edifice falls.

Another Brit
December 10, 2009 4:30 pm

“Crude insults from the Prime Minister do not help”.
Crude insults from Milliband and Brown are the best that our elected politicians can do. They do not know or understand the science, but have taken a position, and the rest of us are “flat earthers”. Charmed I’m sure! I pay these peoples wages through my taxes, and the best they can do is throw insults.
The House of Lords has always provided the checks and balances in our system, whether they were hereditary peers or life peers was immaterial. Blair saw this as an obstacle to his power, and tried to abolish it. Brown is trying this tack too. Fortunately so far it has only worked at the margins, and for the most part our peers are independent and courageous. Those who would do away with the Lords do not understand the damage that would do to our system. Thank God we have people like Lord Monckton and Lord Turnbull. This is not a case of Left or Right, it is a matter of common sense and honesty.

Bob Doney
December 10, 2009 4:35 pm

Lord Turnbull, formerly Sir Andrew Turnbull, was made a life peer in 2005 when he retired as Secretary of the Cabinet and Head of the Civil Service. So he would remember a time when the British civil service purred as easily as a Rolls Royce along the highway. Those were the days, my friends!

Harold Blue Tooth
December 10, 2009 4:40 pm

I accept that “do nothing” is not the right option.
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But as another Lord has said, let’s “have the courage to do nothing”.