Notable: CNN is calling the emails “leaked.” Finally the message may have gotten through.
SABR Matt
December 9, 2009 5:31 pm
Climate models are not tools for understanding past climate shifts. They’re hand-tuned by men…you can’t use a climate model to demonstrate the role of CO2.
A few thoughts:
– John Christy is a good spokesperson
– Why is Gavin Schmidt defending the CRU guys?
– I credit Gavin for moving me to the skeptic side; he reaffirmed here
– The warmists have coordinated talking points
– I’m not encouraged that Campbell Brown is doing the follow up
NickB.
December 9, 2009 5:36 pm
anyone have a mobile friendly link to the video (like youtube)?
jack morrow
December 9, 2009 5:36 pm
Christy caught in the headlights just like McIntyre. A pitiful showing. I don’t understand the meekness of the skectics. No wonder the warmers win.
I didn’t like Christy’s response to the “polar ice caps disappearing” … THEY ARE NOT DISAPPEARING! That should have been his response. It’s plain, it’s simple and is irrefutable. The polar ice caps are NOT disappearing.
Otherwise, this was alright interview. I think Christy could also have elaborated much more on the Climategate emails and especially the data code code within the Climategate files.
I know, let ME go on CNN and debate Gavin! I would love to! I would leave him in the dust!
fFreddy
December 9, 2009 5:39 pm
“Strange that Brits seem to form the core of the Team.”
Ah, well, wait till someone at NASA Giss plucks up the courage to release all Hansen’s emails …
Ron de Haan
December 9, 2009 5:39 pm
I have a lot of respect for John Christy, who I see as Mr Integrity, but he is simply a to nice a guy to handle a scum bag like Gavin Schmidt, because that’s what he is.
As I have sated before, put Gavin Schmidt next to Lord Mockton and he will be destroyed completely.
We can and need to destroy them from top to bottom (using the right arguments at the right moment). The majority of scientist is support of AGW, the so called “consensus” is not existing and Christy should have made this point.
Let the world know that a handful of frauds has taken the entire world hostage.
Governments, even if the science is flawed will act on the basis of the precautionary principle, a deadly phrase which will kill any reasonable approach and kills any scientific argument against AGW.
Mockton would have turned Gavin Schmidt into a smoldering carcass if he got the chance.
RDay
December 9, 2009 5:40 pm
I thought Christy showed great restraint and didn’t pull a Watson because I must have told the tv to shut up at least 4 times. I leave it to the reader to guess who was talking at those points.
Christy looked comfortable and confident. Gavin not so much.
What is now happening is that the skeptics are getting airtime. No matter what the warmists say they are no longer assured of simple agreement from know nothing media bubble heads. That is a huge step forward.
fFreddy
December 9, 2009 5:40 pm
I think Christy could have done better. In particular, he was twice asked what he thought of the disappearance of the polar ice cap, and missed the chance to say it isn’t happening.
Chris Edwards
December 9, 2009 5:41 pm
As a brit I must say sorry for our assholes that have pretended to be scientists. Yes Christy was professional and confident, unlike the brit who spouted the party line, he also openly lied, by refering to “hacked emails” he introduces 2 untruths, 1 the “hacked” part, there has been no proof but as an ameteur I found it improbable that they were hacked due to the time span and focus and 2 “emails” there was a lot more than just emails, so, like most of what he said it was obscuring the truth, all of it.
British asshole.
Mike Ewing
December 9, 2009 5:41 pm
yea Christy came across well, but missed his chance for a broad side on gavin in regards “trick to hide decline”. He didnt seem aware it was in reference to the proxy reconstruction and was a trick too hide the divergence from proxy vrs instrumental record… But still he came across well.
The major postive to ClimateGate:
Skeptics are back in front of TV cameras.
Mac the Knife
December 9, 2009 5:42 pm
Looked like a draw to me. Gavin Schmidt was a bit better at filibuster and stated conjecture as emphatic fact.
At least we are now seeing open public debate about the issue, nullifying the claim of ‘the debate is over… the science is settled’.
On a lighter and cooler note, Wisconsin’s Govenor Doyle has declared a ‘state of emergency’ due to the 15 inches of snow, high winds, and white out blizzard condition they are currently experiencing. In Seattle WA, the temperatures have not been above freezing for days. Most unusual for early December. Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, and Minnesota are in the deep freeze. Be sure to ask your liberal, eco-green friends in those places how that Man Made CO2 Caused Global Warming thingy is working out for them! Think of it as grass roots education in action….
fFreddy
December 9, 2009 5:42 pm
” jack morrow :
Christy caught in the headlights just like McIntyre. ”
Most unfair. Steve got his points in far better.
Christy came across well IMO. Gavin did nothing to improve my very low opinion of him, in fact he might have made it worse.
Joanne
December 9, 2009 5:42 pm
Also, I do not understand why he didn’t point out how flawed and limited the models are. You could drive a truck through the assumptions. Having said that, I’d look like a dear in the headlights sitting behind a camera.
007
December 9, 2009 5:43 pm
I think Christy sounded like a scientist, Schmidt sounded like a politician.
Joanne
December 9, 2009 5:44 pm
Oh, and Gavin spun like an inexperienced politician. Hardly inspires confidence that he is any thing more than a partisan for AGW.
Mapou
December 9, 2009 5:45 pm
Gavin is a professional sleaze ball. I worry about the reputation of science in the eyes of young people when I watch people like Gavin lie on TV.
Roger
December 9, 2009 5:45 pm
I think this is huge! CNN has in the past been SO biased it made me puke to watch Anderson Cooper highlighting our plight by going to the Greenland Icecap in July and freezing his a$$ off! This item seemed a genuine attempt to dig into the truth. The biases are still there but Wolf was aware of Gavin’s habitual blathering using up valuable time, and for what I think is the first time EVER, allowed the Skeptic the last word!
I just remembered something. Some time ago a critic of my blog whined that I was just circle jerking when referring to HotAir.com over another temperature controversy. Funny, he included realclimate in his criticism and yes I nailed him for it in my reply.
Strange that Brits seem to form the core of the Team. Or is it just my observer bias kicking in? Or memories of Beatles movies?
Watched it and thought Christy came across very well. I also noticed Blitzer asked him twice about the north pole ice…
Notable: CNN is calling the emails “leaked.” Finally the message may have gotten through.
Climate models are not tools for understanding past climate shifts. They’re hand-tuned by men…you can’t use a climate model to demonstrate the role of CO2.
A few thoughts:
– John Christy is a good spokesperson
– Why is Gavin Schmidt defending the CRU guys?
– I credit Gavin for moving me to the skeptic side; he reaffirmed here
– The warmists have coordinated talking points
– I’m not encouraged that Campbell Brown is doing the follow up
anyone have a mobile friendly link to the video (like youtube)?
Christy caught in the headlights just like McIntyre. A pitiful showing. I don’t understand the meekness of the skectics. No wonder the warmers win.
I didn’t like Christy’s response to the “polar ice caps disappearing” … THEY ARE NOT DISAPPEARING! That should have been his response. It’s plain, it’s simple and is irrefutable. The polar ice caps are NOT disappearing.
Otherwise, this was alright interview. I think Christy could also have elaborated much more on the Climategate emails and especially the data code code within the Climategate files.
I know, let ME go on CNN and debate Gavin! I would love to! I would leave him in the dust!
“Strange that Brits seem to form the core of the Team.”
Ah, well, wait till someone at NASA Giss plucks up the courage to release all Hansen’s emails …
I have a lot of respect for John Christy, who I see as Mr Integrity, but he is simply a to nice a guy to handle a scum bag like Gavin Schmidt, because that’s what he is.
As I have sated before, put Gavin Schmidt next to Lord Mockton and he will be destroyed completely.
We can and need to destroy them from top to bottom (using the right arguments at the right moment). The majority of scientist is support of AGW, the so called “consensus” is not existing and Christy should have made this point.
Let the world know that a handful of frauds has taken the entire world hostage.
Governments, even if the science is flawed will act on the basis of the precautionary principle, a deadly phrase which will kill any reasonable approach and kills any scientific argument against AGW.
Mockton would have turned Gavin Schmidt into a smoldering carcass if he got the chance.
I thought Christy showed great restraint and didn’t pull a Watson because I must have told the tv to shut up at least 4 times. I leave it to the reader to guess who was talking at those points.
Christy looked comfortable and confident. Gavin not so much.
What is now happening is that the skeptics are getting airtime. No matter what the warmists say they are no longer assured of simple agreement from know nothing media bubble heads. That is a huge step forward.
I think Christy could have done better. In particular, he was twice asked what he thought of the disappearance of the polar ice cap, and missed the chance to say it isn’t happening.
As a brit I must say sorry for our assholes that have pretended to be scientists. Yes Christy was professional and confident, unlike the brit who spouted the party line, he also openly lied, by refering to “hacked emails” he introduces 2 untruths, 1 the “hacked” part, there has been no proof but as an ameteur I found it improbable that they were hacked due to the time span and focus and 2 “emails” there was a lot more than just emails, so, like most of what he said it was obscuring the truth, all of it.
British asshole.
yea Christy came across well, but missed his chance for a broad side on gavin in regards “trick to hide decline”. He didnt seem aware it was in reference to the proxy reconstruction and was a trick too hide the divergence from proxy vrs instrumental record… But still he came across well.
The major postive to ClimateGate:
Skeptics are back in front of TV cameras.
Looked like a draw to me. Gavin Schmidt was a bit better at filibuster and stated conjecture as emphatic fact.
At least we are now seeing open public debate about the issue, nullifying the claim of ‘the debate is over… the science is settled’.
On a lighter and cooler note, Wisconsin’s Govenor Doyle has declared a ‘state of emergency’ due to the 15 inches of snow, high winds, and white out blizzard condition they are currently experiencing. In Seattle WA, the temperatures have not been above freezing for days. Most unusual for early December. Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, and Minnesota are in the deep freeze. Be sure to ask your liberal, eco-green friends in those places how that Man Made CO2 Caused Global Warming thingy is working out for them! Think of it as grass roots education in action….
” jack morrow :
Christy caught in the headlights just like McIntyre. ”
Most unfair. Steve got his points in far better.
Christy came across well IMO. Gavin did nothing to improve my very low opinion of him, in fact he might have made it worse.
Also, I do not understand why he didn’t point out how flawed and limited the models are. You could drive a truck through the assumptions. Having said that, I’d look like a dear in the headlights sitting behind a camera.
I think Christy sounded like a scientist, Schmidt sounded like a politician.
Oh, and Gavin spun like an inexperienced politician. Hardly inspires confidence that he is any thing more than a partisan for AGW.
Gavin is a professional sleaze ball. I worry about the reputation of science in the eyes of young people when I watch people like Gavin lie on TV.
I think this is huge! CNN has in the past been SO biased it made me puke to watch Anderson Cooper highlighting our plight by going to the Greenland Icecap in July and freezing his a$$ off! This item seemed a genuine attempt to dig into the truth. The biases are still there but Wolf was aware of Gavin’s habitual blathering using up valuable time, and for what I think is the first time EVER, allowed the Skeptic the last word!
I just remembered something. Some time ago a critic of my blog whined that I was just circle jerking when referring to HotAir.com over another temperature controversy. Funny, he included realclimate in his criticism and yes I nailed him for it in my reply.