CNN’s Campbell Brown & John Roberts with Chris Horner, Stephen McIntyre, Michael Oppenheimer.
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I believe McIntyre said he was a bit nervous about doing this but I think he did a really good job of coming off as the balanced rational one- as much as you can hope for given the short time to answer. If it was me I would hve been inclined to call Oppenheimer a lier every time he opened his mouth. These guys just don’t seem to have any sense of when they they are attributing way more to the data than it can support. For me, the question is whether it is cognitive dissonance or orchestrated lying.
Has anyone considered asking Jo Nova to perhaps moderate a debate from REAL scientists – ? I think she has some expertise in this?
I think Mr. McIntyre came across very well.
I hold him in very high regard for his work for the people of the world and our planet.
This low Sun activity is dam peculiar.
Solar wind
speed: 289.9 km/sec
density: 0.6 protons/cm3
Sunspot number: 0
Updated 07 Dec 2009
Spotless Days
Current Stretch: 15 days
2009 total: 258 days (76%)
Since 2004: 769 days
Typical Solar Min: 485 days
So, that’s just great. All global surface temperature anomaly datasets in the world derive from GHCN and that is suspected of having been cooked.
There’s no alternative but to start over.
Lord Lawson and Ed Milliband on BBC
Wow.
This Princeton professor knows absolutely nothing about economics.
Seems to be a common problem at that institution.
And these “newspeople” sure have a hard time getting their heads around the incentive (funding) to fudge data and present worst case scenarios. It’s shameful that they can’t put the pieces together.
Horner missed a softball, when Oppenheimer claimed that the other three datasets (two in the US, one in Japan) independently confirmed the CRU conclusions. Why didn’t Horner jump in and tell the audience that all those datasets are really sharing most of their (massaged) data, and are not independent at all?
We are letting the slick Alarmists like Oppenheimer, with his quick talking points, ride all over us, because we don’t have articulate spokesmen who can get on TV and make a convincing case.
How about it Anthony? You know the arguments, and you know how to use the camera. You’re the logical choice!
/Mr Lynn
Did I hear someone in that second video actually claim that CO2 stays in the atmosphere ‘forever’?
I think it was Michael Oppenheimer.
Further to my post above, I suggest readers here contact the news media, especially the TV networks (broadcast and cable) and recommend Anthony Watts as a spokesman for the ‘skeptics’. Maybe start with Bret Baier at Fox, since he and his producers are likely to be the most receptive.
/Mr Lynn
[ Senator: The war’s over. Our side won the war. Now we must busy ourselves winning the peace. And Fletcher, there’s an old saying: To the victors belong the spoils.
Fletcher: There’s another old saying, Senator: Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining. ]
: Excerpt from, ‘The Outlaw Josey Wales’.
Whenever I see advocacy for global warming, such as was spoken by Oppenheimer, that line spoken by Fletcher often surfaces up in my mind. I imagine many of us, the denialists of climate change and the status quo, have thought the same thing.
But is there anything we can do to stop from being pissed on?
There may be, but only time will tell.
A sentiment among many a enviromentalist, is that regardless of the state of climate change, cleaning up pollution is the only pure crusade.
‘The conservation of natural resources and the protection of the environment from man-made pollution is the only crusade we must not surrender. The sceptics of climate change, are the enemy of the state.’ …. anonymous
Somehow, a sceptic of AGW is not sensitive to the issue of protecting the environment. Instead, we are viewed as scum and miscreants, followers of Big Oil and propagandists for world destruction.
And all of this is based on choosing a side on the theory of Manmade CO2 is the evil pollutant behind everything wrong with our planet.
A message I would like to send to anyone reading this post is that most sceptics are in favor of protecting the environment. What we sceptics don’t support is the falsification and manipulations of corrupt scientists and politicians that would have you believe that CO2 is pollution and must be controlled. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
If the truth be told, the majority of people, regardless what side of the issue they are on, are getting their backsides pissed on from only those that have a financial gain in all of this.
It’s time that we all take up one cause, and that is to find those behind the lies and deceit and piss on them for a change.
She said, “You’re suggesting that there is this massive global conspiracy to make a certain case, and logically, it just doesn’t make sense.”
Someone should ask her whether it makes sense that the U.S. and other developed countries owe $24 trillion in “climate debt” to the rest of the world, as the UN has said.
_Red Hot Lies_ looks like a good book.
Stephen McIntyre was careful in what he said. Demeanor says more than words some times.
The seas could fall up to 30 feet if the solar minimum keeps up. Some countries could benefit more than others. The UN should be planning for a redistribution of land in the wake of the increasing solar minimum.
If anyone reading this ends up on tv and the ‘2500 scientists’ comes up could I suggest you bring up that the 2500 are not all scientists and of those that are scientists among them are people like Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Christopher Landsea?
Yet another of Michael Oppenheimer’s falsehoods is that “green” jobs are a goldmine waiting to be tapped, and we must hurry if we don’t want to miss out on the opportunity.
Let the Chinese and Germans have it, I say.
http://faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2009/12/gone-with-windmills-wrestling-with.html
And keep it as far away from America as possible.
“Bill Sticker (16:59:38) :
Did I hear someone in that second video actually claim that CO2 stays in the atmosphere ‘forever’?
I think it was Michael Oppenheimer.”
Someone should make a funny youtube video to discredit these goofy people with their own absurd comments.
Did I hear someone in that second video actually claim that CO2 stays in the atmosphere ‘forever’?
I think it was Michael Oppenheimer.
I did hear him bring up the ‘2500 scientists’. Unimpressive of him, and telling.
He also brought up George Bush. It doesn’t settle a scientific argument to bring up a politicians name.
I’m trying to get om to ClimateAudit to give Steve McIntyre a pat on the back in comment.
Can’t get on right now. They showed “Climate Audit” with his name. He is inundated now.
🙂 🙂 :-):-)
If you’re not a skeptic, You’re not a scientist.
This would be a great headline for one of those ads people are putting in the news papers.
Climate fears are caused by an unrelenting quarter century of onesided indoctrination, not by the climate.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/4369/Hurricane-Expert-Rips-Climate-Fears-There-has-been-an-unrelenting-quarter-century-of-onesided-indoctrination
Hey, does anyone here have some rebuttals for each of the points on this paper: http://www-personal.buseco.monash.edu.au/~BParris/BPClimateChangeQ&As.html
News Busters:
Climategate Deep Throat cartoon
http://ow.ly/167CWA
Gary Plyler (09:50:45) :
It’s going on 3 weeks since the emails and data hit the internet, and John Roberts has “looked at this for several days”.
I caught that too.
Campbell Brown said, “And back with me, who has been doing a lot of research on all of this, is our very own CNN’s John Roberts..” Later he said he’s been looking in to it for a few days—6:50 to 6:57 of part 1.
I think many people caught that.
@2BlueStarMom
“OMG, you mean all this time Obama has been saying _HOAX_ and Change?”
I should have been a journalist.
Looking For Climategate’s Deep Throat, would be the name of a story by me. Oh well someone else can use it.