From Steve McIntyre’s hometown newspaper:
Academic spats, name-calling, data-massaging and cozy peer review by friends are not exactly rare in the world of science. You’ll find them anywhere that careers, reputations and resources are on the line. The difference is we are not usually asked to wager billions on the findings. Given the stakes, it’s hard not to conclude that climate science is too important to be left to scientists.
This is the concluding paragraph is from the Toronto Globe and Mail.
Here’s the opening and the link to the story:
Steve McIntyre is a mild-mannered Toronto businessman who dabbles in statistics as a hobby. But to some climate scientists, he’s Public Enemy No.1. They mention him often in their e-mails and try to make sure his criticisms of their work aren’t published. “They’re really showing a siege mentality,” he says.
Mr. McIntyre is a bit player in a scandal that has swept the world of climate science like a mighty hurricane. It features leading scientists who, to the conspiratorially minded, seem to be colluding to manipulate data, withhold information, delete records and stifle dissent. “The worst scientific scandal of our generation,” declared one opinion writer in the Telegraph. Not quite. But the so-called “Climategate” affair – thousands of hacked e-mails made public on the eve of the Copenhagen convention – gives a pile of ammunition to those who believe global warming is a giant boondoggle.
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It is a major, national Canadian paper. Not just Toronto. And left-wing.
It has pro-AGW/Kyoto columnist who write every day. I don’t remember ever reading a skeptical article in G&M, and I read it regularly.
Ursus
Title should read “Climate Science CRIMINAL Disaster”.
Metal on honor to leaker. Criminal charges to corrupt scientist and their funding sponsors.
There has been nothing in this paper since this article, and from my research it is the only direct piece they did, and that by a blogger who is not to popular so, not worth much in my books.
The G & M is the oldest and one of the most Liberal papers in Canada and eminates from the center of the universe, er, Toronto! Liberal as in not conservative for you poor confused Aussies.
Alexej Buergin
“Is this THE Toronto newspaper, or ist it a small opposition sheet?”
No Alexej, this is bigger than THE Toronto Newspaper. It bills itself as THE National Newspaper in Canada and most Canadians do tend think of it like that. Moreover, just two weeks ago it would never have dreamed of printing anything skeptical in the topic of climate.
Junkmale
Mumsnet is really leftie Polly Toynbee types – they had a discussion about the elitest nature of coffee table books recently.
If you look at the comments before Miliband Jnr’s appearance it said things like ‘ooh he’s dreamy’. They crucified the Prime Minister when he didn’t give his choice of chocolate biscuit and the leader of the Opposition [who’s severely disabled son died earlier this year aged 6] for not knowing about the NHS free nappy limit.
They are a bit of a strange mob – infact – not a millions miles away from the AWG crowd who shout down those who disagree.
For most issues the Globe is left of centre, on others firmly left. The Toronto Star is left, sometimes to the extreme. The National Post is more right of centre (and usually the more balanced), the Toronto Sun is slightly more right than the Post. I don’t subscribe to any anymore.
John H
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Globe_and_Mail
The Globe and Mail
The April 23, 2008 front page of The Globe and Mail
Type Daily newspaper
Format Broadsheet
Owner CTVglobemedia
(CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc.)
Publisher Phillip Crawley
Editor John Stackhouse
Founded 1844
Political alignment Centrist/Moderately Conservative
Headquarters 444 Front Street West
Toronto, Ontario
M5V 2S9
Circulation 322,807 Daily
410,285 Saturday[1]
ISSN 0319-0714
Official website http://www.theglobeandmail.com
The Globe and Mail is a Canadian English language nationally distributed newspaper, based in Toronto and printed in six cities across the country. With a weekly readership of 935 000,[2] it is Canada’s largest-circulation national newspaper and second-largest daily newspaper after the Toronto Star and is widely described as Canada’s newspaper of record.[3] It is owned by CTVglobemedia.
I was thinking that too Neal – what’s a worse scientific scandal???
The Globe and Mail is a center-left (more left than center) leaning paper that is one of two national papers out of Toronto. I don’t read it, but they would be on the pro-AGW side of the ledger. The other national paper is The National Post (right leaning) started originally by Conrad Black.
dean (08:59:16) :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34242705/?GT1=43001/from/ET
Yes, you could say that global warming —> global cooling. Most alarmists would nod their heads.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in this column by the G&M’s token conservative. This is the paper that had a complete news blackout about climategate for 2 weeks until this opinion piece was published on Dec 1st and even now there is nary a mention about it. The editors have seemingly selected this writer, Margaret Wente to draw reader fire.
There are 3 main newspapers in Toronto: the Star which is far left, the G&M which pretends to be centralist but is quite left leaning and the National Post on the right. The Post is the only paper that has covered climategate from the start whereas the Star is still suppressing the story.
Trust me it is Toronto. The editorial staff and major editors all live in and come from there! Westerners consider the National Post the national paper. Ursus maritimus thinks Canada stops at Toronto. Generally Canada East is Liberal, and west is Conservative so Ursus will naturally reverse this order. There is no truly national news paper in Canada, there are only opinion rages from the left and/or right. Ubnless you live in Quebec, which says it does not belong to Canada. So ya, dysfunctional nation!
that’s trillions not billions
“pretty soon we are talking about real money”
On the other hand, pretty warm november. Hmmmm.
I can concur with Ursus Maritimus’s assessment of the “Grope and Flail”. It is largely a Liberal Party oriented paper that is available all across Canada. The Grope generally only reflects what the Liberal Party’s views are.
The Grope and Flail’s opposite is the National Post, which, although being a superior paper, is having financial troubles. National Post has published many skeptical editorials and articles, prominent among them being Lawrence Solomon’s series “The Deniers”.
Dean, so that explains why we’re in a cooling trend now, because the ice is melting. OMG we’re doomed… again!
Correction, “Unless”
Richard (09:18:36) : Are you RichardJ? if so please post as RichardJ. If not put someother identification against your name. That handle (name) is taken. Thanks
JonesII, “coal-powered trains” with those smokestacks? The locomotives look more like wood (carbon neutral bio-fuel) burners to me.
Otherwise the web traffic of CA this “amateur dabbler in statistics” is still so enormous, you can’t get through to it!
By the way, MSM is starting to wake u there was an interview on BBC 4’s Five Live this evening. I think Nick Clark, the interviewer didn’t do too bad a job – considering…
That article is a puzzle. Is it about the ‘news’ of a PR disaster? Or is it about the ‘news’ of the proof that the period of Enlightenment is over, and we are heading for an intellectual ‘mediaeval cooling’ period?
I suppose I have answered my own question ……
Global Warming Bulldozer
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/12/global-warming-bulldozer.html
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Of course we know the trouble with the climate is the climatology, and the trouble with the knowledge is the science, etc…
But now we are discovering in real-time the statistics of extremes, that doubly exponential distribution demonstrating the possible bests and leasts of the human Will.
The great Climategate of 2009 brings in a new era when the MSM starts losing its credibility very quickly.
Which means…
– Bloggers will be the custodians of the real news
– private Newsers will fetch it, document it
– Journalism will be much more widespread on the Internet
– Daily papers, likely, a thing of the past
– etcetera
But, but, but. There is the chance that Google becomes Al-Jezoogle, or Al-gore-oogle. Same thing.
And we all live happily ever-after looking for the first appearance of the Moon in the Western sky, looking East.
Because both Evil and Goodness have a claim on this Planet. And survival isn’t pretty.
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I followed a link from here to CBS,which in turn led me to an ABC(Aussie)story.It’s an interview with a Tasmanian scientist,he states
Just by way of an interesting example, Garth Paltridge, who is in Hobart here and has now retired, did a paper looking at all the weather balloon data which is available for about 50 years and couldn’t find much evidence that as the Earth had warmed slightly that vital increase in water vapour was there. He eventually had it published but when it was first submitted for publication it was rejected on the basis that the message that it would send would give too much encouragement to sceptics, which really just draws attention to the need to open up the scientific process, to deal with this kind of attempt to politicise it, to suppress views that are inconvenient, because unless we very quickly establish and re-establish some quality assurance mechanisms in the conduct of climate science then we’re heading for a potentially very costly…either way a very costly set of policy responses based on some science in which we can have much less faith now than we had in the past.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2009/2757619.htm
Forget John Gault, where the hell is Seth Borenstein?
Anthony or Steve Mc:
I like the Globe and Mail article — particularly
‘a pile of ammunition to those who believe global warming is a giant boondoggle.’
I happen to own the domain name HopelsssBoondoggle.com — if either of you would like to do something with it.
Kip
REPLY: Thanks, but I’m overwhelmed and so is Steve -A
Feel free to comment on events at the CBC, our state-run media outlet:
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/12/01/tech-climate-east-anglia.html#socialcomments