From Steve McIntyre’s hometown newspaper:
Academic spats, name-calling, data-massaging and cozy peer review by friends are not exactly rare in the world of science. You’ll find them anywhere that careers, reputations and resources are on the line. The difference is we are not usually asked to wager billions on the findings. Given the stakes, it’s hard not to conclude that climate science is too important to be left to scientists.
This is the concluding paragraph is from the Toronto Globe and Mail.
Here’s the opening and the link to the story:
Steve McIntyre is a mild-mannered Toronto businessman who dabbles in statistics as a hobby. But to some climate scientists, he’s Public Enemy No.1. They mention him often in their e-mails and try to make sure his criticisms of their work aren’t published. “They’re really showing a siege mentality,” he says.
Mr. McIntyre is a bit player in a scandal that has swept the world of climate science like a mighty hurricane. It features leading scientists who, to the conspiratorially minded, seem to be colluding to manipulate data, withhold information, delete records and stifle dissent. “The worst scientific scandal of our generation,” declared one opinion writer in the Telegraph. Not quite. But the so-called “Climategate” affair – thousands of hacked e-mails made public on the eve of the Copenhagen convention – gives a pile of ammunition to those who believe global warming is a giant boondoggle.
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Two coal powered trains collide…meaningful ☺
Noted above:
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Meanwhile, on twitter a few hours ago on Mumsnet:
‘Ed Miliband: ‘Climate-change denialists are totally irresponsible and I have learnt in this job that you have to take them on.”
Gad some in high office are above hyperbole.
Glad, even. Mind you, in another age the typo might still have worked.
We are seeing a Mann made crisis. They all end in train wrecks. The smoking guns gave off a lot of heat. Over cooking data is also an enthalpic reaction.
It seems not everyone “at home” is very supportive:
Not so much:
“Steve McIntyre is a mild-mannered Toronto businessman who dabbles in statistics as a hobby.
Mr. McIntyre is a bit player in a scandal that has swept the world of climate science like a mighty hurricane.”
Much:
“But to some climate scientists, he’s Public Enemy No.1. They mention him often in their e-mails and try to make sure his criticisms of their work aren’t published.”
And another effort in need of immediate action RE: NASA and CHRIS HORNER:
Thursday, December 3, 2009
Researcher: NASA hiding climate data
“The fight over global warming science is about to cross the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue NASA, demanding release of the same kind of climate data that has landed a leading British center in hot water over charges it skewed its data.
Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s.
NASA’s GISS was forced to update its data in 2007 after questions were raised by Steve McIntyre, who runs ClimateAudit.com.
GISS had initially listed the warmest years as 1998, 1934, 2006, 1921 and 1931. After Mr. McIntyre’s questions GISS rejiggered the list and 1934 was warmest, followed by 1998, 1921, 2006 and then 1931. But since then, the list has been rewritten again so it now runs 1998, 2006, 1934, 1921, 1999. ” More…
OT but…..
“E-mails hacked from a climate research institute suggest climate change does not have a human cause, according to Saudi Arabia’s lead climate negotiator.
Mohammad Al-Sabban told BBC News that the issue will have a “huge impact” on next week’s UN climate summit, with countries unwilling to cut emissions.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/science/nature/8392611.stm
News from the BBC that someone called Sir Muir Russell is to chair the investigation into the CRU emails leak.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8393449.stm
Anyone know anything about him?
The article also quotes Mr Mohammed Al-Sabban, who is the Saudi Arabian chief climate negotiator, commenting on Climategate he said,
‘It appears form the details of the scandal that there is no relationship whatsoever between human activities and climate change.’
boondoggle, word of the week.
Don’t know whether this is elsewhere:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8393449.stm
[ snip – just posted on the main page – thanks – A]
In case anyone wants a laugh from long ago –
Here is a link to Tom Lehrer’s “Wernher von Braun”.
“Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down
That’s not my department,” says Wernher von Braun
I have nothing against scientists – in fact, I am communicating on a system developed by scientists using electricity developed by scientists with a full stomach due to foods developed by scientists. But policy is an area best left to those persons elected to lead us – however inept they may be at times – even those who are from political parties with which we disagree.
Winston Churchill once said,
“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government
except all the others that have been tried.”
Thursday, December 3, 2009
Researcher: NASA hiding climate data
was found on DRUDGE
Is this THE Toronto newspaper, or ist it a small opposition sheet?
No wonder Ed Begley does not like anyone who is a trained climatologist. Way to go Steve!
And so ends the Green “Manhattan Project” – not the one to solve global warming, but the one that doled out mega-millions to find scientific evidence of mankind’s culpability for it. That was the real project.
They found the enemy, and it was them. 🙂
Train wreck indeed.
No wonder Ed Begley does not like anyone who is not a trained climatologist. Way to go Steve!
Can anyone provide context on the political orientation of the Globe and Mail? I think the most important aspect of this story is that it is not in a paper that has been critical of AGW in the past. Or has it? Anyone?
This has been up for days. Thought I posted it here at one point. O well, still just a by-line in the Canadian press. Went is not one of our top journalist even though I appreciate her efforts. But the comments are telling!
Slightly OT but on MSN this:
HAVE OUR CAKE & EAT IT TOO.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34242705/?GT1=43001/from/ET
Earth could plunge into sudden ice age
In the film “The Day After Tomorrow,” the world gets gripped in ice within just a few weeks. Now research now suggests an eerily similar event might indeed have occurred in the past.
“We could say that global warming could lead to a dramatic cooling,” Patterson told LiveScience. “This should serve as a further warning rather than a pass.”
The persistence and tenacity of individually such as Steve McIntyre and yourself Anthony, in standing up to the Global Warming bullies is appreciated.
Everyone will want this to go away, the politicians because they’ve been persuaded that global warming is man-made, which it may be but not from CO2 emissions, the climate community because they’ve hyped the AGW, the MSM because they’ve fallen right in with the global warming scare. From my readings of the emails there’s a prima facie case for investigation of the shenanigans, but there are too many vested interests and blind agreement with the global warming scare. Everyone quotes it, they’ve fed it to children in school. If it leads to greater transparency and more scientists able to speak out in dissent that will be a bonus, but don’t expect there to be a reversal of beliefs in this thing, it’s a religion.
The best part of this article are the comments, especially the last one by John Fallows:
“Referring to this as a “public relations disaster” is specious. Are you in the public relations business or the news business? Since I believe that the Globe and Mail still knows how to cover news, and employs some pretty bright people, I can only conclude that you have made a purposeful editorial decision to bias your coverage, whether consciously or not.
Check your archives. Search on “Enron” and “audiotapes”. There is fundamentally no difference between the implications of the leaked Enron audiotapes in 2004 (manipulation of markets) and the implications of Climategate (manipulation of science and political processes). And in both cases, the manipulation is blatant, damaging and incontrovertible.”
Precisely the situation in the Canadian media.
So what does the writer think is “The worst scientific scandal of our generation,”? Um, maybe banning DDT with the result of tens of millions dead who didn’t need to be, but is that ‘our’ generation?
Fixed, Bob. But thanx for the spin.
And still nothing on MSM!!! Some papers picked it up, but nothing on the TV news feeds.
And google is still screwing with climategate keywords.
Grrrr.