Australia's Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) fails 41 to 33 – Climategate a contributor

Add this to the United State’s Senate failure to even address the cap and trade issue, and it appears that carbon trading is losing the financial and political luster it once had. Now Australia’s ETS scheme is delayed in their senate with little hope of revival.

This says it pretty well at ABC News:

Senate kills off emissions trade laws

The Associated Press says:

Australia’s Parliament defeats global warming bill

Australia’s Parliament defeated legislation to set up a greenhouse gas emissions trading system on Wednesday, throwing a central plank of the government’s plans to combat global warming into disarray.

The 41-33 vote followed a tumultuous debate in which the conservative main opposition party at first agreed to support a version of the government’s bill, then dramatically dumped its leader and switched sides after bitter divisions erupted within the party.

From the Australian:

KEVIN Rudd has lost his bid to deliver an emissions trading scheme in Australia before talks in Copenhagen but won an early election trigger after the Senate formally rejected the laws again today.

Just two Liberal senators broke ranks with a clear mandate among Coalition MPs to delay an ETS and voted with Labor on an emissions trading scheme

Deputy Senate leader Eric Abetz declared: “The CPRS is dead. And no amount of CPR can revive it”

Herald Sun columnist Andrew Bolt writes:

Rudd’s great tax on everything is defeated

How close was that bullet? A mad new tax is voted down, thanks only to Tony Abbott’s one-vote win over Malcolm Turnbull yesterday…

Maybe it had something to do with this:

“We have heard from the Independent Pricing Regulator in NSW just yesterday that this ETS would add 30 per cent to the people of NSW’s power bills …

And as Bolt points out to WUWT a couple of days ago, Climategate figured in as well:

Rudd’s belief that man is heating the world is based almost entirely on the reports of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

But thousands of emails uncovered in this month’s Climategate scandal show that the scientists most responsible for those reports did not just doctor data, destroy awkward evidence, and censor sceptical scientists.

They also show some of them privately admitting that the world seems not to be heating as they (and Rudd) predicted.

“Where the heck is global warming?” raged Kevin Trenberth, an IPCC lead author, to another Climategate scientist: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

Fair Dinkum.

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Ripper

I was listening to the senate and Sen Troeth actually quoted that the MWP was localised and it was cold in other parts of the world.
I assume she was convinced by Micheal Mann’s lastest paper.

DMS

Bonzer!

O’Reilly’s a jackass. “So it’s all just a con?”
Stossell (sp?): “Not all of it” (just 90%).

jh

Maybe it had something to do with this:
is that 404 error deliberate and subtle irony?
REPLY: Fixed thanks -A

Thank GOD FOR DEMOCRACY in Australia, I thought the Nazi party was in charge!!!

George Turner

Well, the idea that the medieval warm period only happened where people were taking notes is something found all through the AGW camp. All the interesting bits seem to happen where or when nobody happens to be looking.
It’s the old “refrigerator door light” version of science and history.

The tide has turned, the point has tipped.

Steve Schapel

“Climate Change Minister Penny Wong said the Government would not give up on the ETS and accused the Coalition of trying to spook voters.
‘When you cannot fight the argument you run a scare campaign’, she said.”
BWAHAHAHAHA! Now that is what I call bizarre!

George Turner

404 errors are usually caused by a router that has overheated due to anthropogenic global warming. I’d provide a graph linking CO2 levels and 404 errors, which should certainly correlate, but unfortunately my new hard drive didn’t have as much space for raw data as my old hard drive (because I’m moving backwards through time, like the UEA), so I threw it away.
By the way, does anyone else thing UEA will come to stand for “Undermining Environmental Alarmism?”

vigilantfish

Whoohoo! Well done the Aussies on WUWT for your letter campaign to your MPs. I hope this has some effect in Canada too – a glimmer of hope for all of us in the ROTW! Please everybody shower your reps, senators and MPs with intelligent letters about what’s going on!

Note on Australian Politics,
In Australia the Liberal Party is a conservative right-wing party (though more libertarian on social issues) and the Australian Labor Party is their socialist left-wing party (now currently in control with the majority).
An excellent libertarian institution in Australia (think Cato) is the [url=http://www.ipa.org.au/]Institute of Public Affairs[/url].

Nicholas

I live in NSW… we’ve dodged a bullet… for now.
This issue needs to be examined properly, with open science and frank discussion, before any policies are based on it.

Note on Australian Politics,
In Australia the Liberal Party is a conservative right-wing party (though more libertarian on social issues) and the Australian Labor Party is their socialist left-wing party (now currently in control with the majority).
An excellent libertarian institution in Australia (think Cato) is the Institute of Public Affairs.

AdderW

[snip sorry way off topic]

juanslayton

Stossell: No smoking gun…
Mr. Stossel’s attention should be called to the Read_me_Harry code comments.

wobble

Australia leading the way!
I really wish we had another few weeks to let things really snowball.

There has been some debate about the influence of Climategate in the gathering momentum of the sceptics in the Australian Liberal/National opposition coalition. Indeed, climategate has been discussed by the members (as Bolt reports), mentioned in parliament (question to Wong by Joyce) and discussed in the media by Minchin (Liberal leader in the senate where the leg was just defeated). Surely, the news emboldened the push. Anyway, whatever the machievellian motives of the politicians, scepticism of the science was certainly there in the background (Bob Carter helped with that).
As the dust settles on the political upheaval, over the next few days it will be interesting to see whether any journalists attempt to make a serious investigation of the scientific controversy. If they do indulge a little in the scandal of climategate…and in the context of Copenhagen…well, we will be in for quite a ride over the next few days.

2 battles won, more to come. Be nice when we get to the point they can sleep at night without being confronted by the climate bogeyman everytime they turn on the MSM.
Be interesting to see if an election is called early or not. Word on the ground is Rudd is running scared. I would say politicians all over the world should take notice – a tidal wave is about to hit!

Peter in New Zealand

Once again Australia is the lucky country & have dodged a tax bullet for now. Pity they passed a regressive ETS in New Zealand last week. And the right are supposed to be in charge in NZ.

Andy

I’m gonna chug a couple Fosters tonight in solute to my Aussie brothers & sisters….
good on ya mates!

nofreewind

someone should point Stossel to
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997/plot/rss/from:1997/trend
He needs some tutoring. The graphs on this site do not seem to be in dispute and come out right.

itsova

Aussie, Aussie, Aussie…Oy! Oy! Oy!

Ed Scott

Climategate’s “Harry Read Me” File — Efforts On Climate Change
Harry Read Me — As researchers around the world report on their findings in the hacked emails from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Britain you often hear references to the infamous “Harry Read Me” file.
The entire file, 247 pages long, is an encyclopedia chronicling the absolute mess that temperature records, upon which much global warming theory is based, are in.
The file describes the efforts of a climatologist/programmer at the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia to update a huge statistical database (11,000 files) of important climate data between 2006 and 2009.
The computer coding, along with the programmer’s apparently unsuccessful efforts to complete the project, involve data that are the foundation of the study of climate change — recordings from hundreds of weather stations around the world of temperature and precipitation measurements from 1901 to 2006, sun/cloud computer simulations, and the like.
READ ME for Harry’s work on the CRU TS2.1/3.0 datasets, 2006-2009!
http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/HARRY_READ_ME.txt

nofreewind

Using 1997 as a starting point is kind of cherry-picking, but at least it is not scary-picking!
If you use Surface from 1940 to 1979 then switch to satellites until 1998 there is almost no warming whatsoever!
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:1979/to:2009/mean:6/plot/uah/from:1998/to:2009/trend/plot/uah/from:1979/to:1997/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1938/to:1979/mean:6/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1938/to:1979/trend
Whatever happened to our temps, happened all at one time with El Nino in 1998, it was quick step up, but lucky for our wallets things have leveled off.
It is the ocean and sun stupid that control out climate.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:1979/to:2009/mean:6/plot/uah/from:1998/to:2009/trend/plot/uah/from:1979/to:1997/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1938/to:1979/mean:6/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1938/to:1979/trend
I tried to find Stossels email but couldn’t. he should also look here for all the temperature data, so he doesn’t sound like a dope, not having looked at the data. (the falsified data that is)
http://www.climate4you.com/
Sorry for OT but Stossel was just on O’Reilly and did a fair job.

George Turner

I’d watch for another effect of this scandal, which may be closely related to the Australian vote. Many pro-AGW people, even former hard-core AGWers like Monbiot, who suddenly realize they’ve been duped and are pretty angry about it, will certainly look upon any politician who continues to parrot the pro-AGW talking points as a fellow-dupe who hasn’t wised up yet.
One of the tribal human behaviors of mankind is not following a leader whose statements flag him as clueless about current events, and one who has obviously shoved his head in the sand.
Depending on their skills and that of their political advisors, many politicians may see the wisdom in jumping ship and calling for investigations and audits, lest it look like they too were happily in bed with crooks and liars.
Combine that with the abhorance of the rest of the scientific community to be portrayed publically as crooks and liars, and both scientists and politicians can find cover together by turning on the new evildoers and their nefarious scheme.
That’s the emotional response with political overtones, but it’s foundation is the insistence on integrity, a thing the public demands, science depends on, and politicians crave.

Gene Nemetz

I love the smell of failing Emissions Trading Schemes in the morning….

Keith Minto

Paul Sheehan ( a respected journalist in the Sydney Morning Herald) today said that a conservative estimate of 400,000 emails were sent to the 99 Coalition MP’s (Liberal and National Party) over the past two months. A letter in the same paper today suggested that the emails were from the ‘Alan Jones Fan Club’ (Conservative radio commentator like Rush Limbaugh) and the “protests would disappear like the rising sun”.
As I said before,there is a lotta learin’ goin’ on here.
At least the midday ABC news did have Ian Plimer make a comment but they just had to finish up with Stern and Antarctic icebergs. Lord Monkton was standing next to Plimer but his name was not mentioned. Not famous enough for the ABC yet.
But the cracks are appearing.

Jim

Congrats you Aussies!

Steve Schapel

Peter in New Zealand: “Pity they passed a regressive ETS in New Zealand last week”.
Pity, indeed. I am also in New Zealand, and it is hard to believe there has not been a stronger movement fighting this stuff. Don’t we have a reputation for independent thought? (Or used to!)
It is thought that one of the reasons for John Key rushing it through parliament when he did, was so he could be just like our big brothers across the Tasman, in time for the Copenhagen meeting. Fully expecting (as most did) that Australia’s ETS would be successfully passed into law last week. So now, where does this leave New Zealand… out in the cold?

mkurbo

Factcheck: Hacked E-Mails Are Part of Disinformation Campaign
WASHINGTON (December 1, 2009) — Climate contrarians continue to use hacked e-mails from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Great Britain to attack climate science. The Union of Concerned Scientists has published a backgrounder factchecking the contrarians and discussing the e-mails’ implications for the principles of scientific openness and scientific integrity
backgrounder factchecking: http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/global_warming_contrarians/contrarians-using-hacked-e-mails.html

Gordon Ford

An excellent example of Aussie Rules AKA Aerial Ping Pong.
To all my friends in Oz, I’m hoisting a glass of red ned to you. Keep up the good work

Capn Jack Walker

Some Big Business in Australia, has decided that ETS, (Capn Trade US) is not the way to go.
The science is unsettled therefore a Carbon Tax may be a better option as science can outline tactics to address real impacts.
A week ago there was a push by big business for ETS. Now it’s withering.
SME business has been against it ETS a long time but with so called consensus AGW science they could not make a case.
ETS is dead. Because Permits in pollutants are not technology.

Wayne Delbeke

Several people have suggested that Monbiot has changed his spots.
I don’t think so …. listening to him exchanging words with Bjorn Lomberg today on Canada’s CBC, he is as committed to AGW as ever.
I have not seen the debate that followed but here is the connection:
http://www.munkdebates.com/

Steve Schapel

Gene Nemetz: “I love the smell of failing Emissions Trading Schemes in the morning”
Yeah. Especially when their proper name is “Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme”! Man, that word “pollution” in there has really been a red rag to a bull.

Christopher Byrne

One day into it and Tony Abbott has already started back-peddling on his AGW scepticism. It’s only a matter of time before the Libs cave in – this IS politics we are talking about. The only way we are ever going to stake this vampire throught the heart is with a grass-roots movement. And I just don’t know how interested the silent majority is – sure they don’t want this, but guilt is a powerful force.

Flats

The question is now will Rudd want to make the ETS the primary election issue by calling a double dissolution election for March 2010?
I don’t think he will, they are aware that a strong campaign pointing out all the flaws in the ETS will motivate a lot of voters back to the Liberals. This was an issue they were hoping to sneak through in the dark, it won’t stand the light of day.
We’ll know in the next few days, at the moment I’m reveling in the victory, faith in my country once again restored.

400,000 emails is a grass roots movement

Patrick Davis

“Steve Schapel (19:12:11) :
Peter in New Zealand: “Pity they passed a regressive ETS in New Zealand last week”.
Pity, indeed. I am also in New Zealand, and it is hard to believe there has not been a stronger movement fighting this stuff. Don’t we have a reputation for independent thought? (Or used to!)
It is thought that one of the reasons for John Key rushing it through parliament when he did, was so he could be just like our big brothers across the Tasman, in time for the Copenhagen meeting. Fully expecting (as most did) that Australia’s ETS would be successfully passed into law last week. So now, where does this leave New Zealand… out in the cold?”
A net exporter of wealth, people (More so than it already is) and jobs.

rbateman

And a Merry Christmas to all the Who’s in Whoville, Australia tonight.
How the Grinch almost stole the Climate.
Or maybe it was the Ghost’s of Climates Past.

Neil O'Rourke

Flats (19:34:46) :
The question is now will Rudd want to make the ETS the primary election issue by calling a double dissolution election for March 2010?

No such luck… looks like they are going to attempt to get it through the senate a third time in Feb.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/dead–ets-to-rise-again-20091202-k4c1.html?autostart=1

Wayne Delbeke

Here are some interesting comments on Monbiot’s flying to Canada after he said flying is as “unacceptable as child abuse.” Unless of course your are promoting your new book: “Heat: How To Stop The Planet From Burning”
Just a tad hypocritical IMHO.

Wayne Delbeke
rbateman

Now all we have to do is throw Waxman-Markey on the Barbie.

Hosco

Fair Dinkum?

Patrick Davis

“Hosco (19:45:47) :
Fair Dinkum?”
Fair go, fair change etc etc…meaning good.
Or as KRudd747 likes to say “A fair shake of the sauce bottle!”. If you ask me, he and Mzzzz wRong and Mzzzz Gillard have been on the sauce far too long….

richcar1225

from Colorado I have been listening for some time to Alan Jones and 2GB on a Grace wireless internet radio. Wonderful station. US talk radio could learn a lot from them.

Christopher Byrne

twawki (19:39:27) :
400,000 emails is a grass roots movement
It’s certainly a start. Let’s hope it’s strong enough to withstand savvy propagandists dangling the plight of our grandchildren and little furry animals in our faces.

Michael

When is Pravda MSM going to tell the sheeple we are in a pretty serious solar minimum currently?

savethesharks

rbateman (19:44:55) :
“Now all we have to do is throw Waxman-Markey on the Barbie.”

Not sure that 1000+ page bill would taste good even if barbequed. But it would definitely make a good fire.
I have a more aggressive idea: Throw Waxman and Markey (themselves) to a few hungry white pointers.
Anybody that can proclaim on national television that the North Pole is “evaporating”…deserves to be eaten as chum har har by some svelte Aussie predator.
Meanwhile….back to the E.T.S.: Way to go Australia.
Dah dih dah dih dah dih dah dih DAH DIH! (Cue Jaws theme).
Give ’em hell!
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Michael

Wouldn’t it be funny if European carbon credit traders began suing the UN and climatologist for fraud and falsifying climate data?