I don’ t know what sort of world NYT reporters live in, but I am now convinced that some like Paul Krugman have no clue about the real world people live in elsewhere.
‘This Week” with George Stephanopoulos debates ClimateGate – more here
Noel Sheppard over at Newsbusters provides some video and transcript of a debate between Paul Krugman of the NYT and Washington Post columnist George Will.
When I read what Paul Krugman said, I laughed out loud. He’s truly clueless.
Here’s the context:
WILL: Speaking of the marketplace, the biggest industry in the world right now may be fighting climate change. There are billions, trillions of dollars on the table, and when you say, well, they are academics and they are scientists and they talk in funny ways — academics are human beings, and the enormous incentive to get on the bandwagon on global warming, the financial incentive, the market driving this, is huge.
KRUGMAN: There is tremendously more money in being a skeptic than there is in being a supporter.
WILL: Hardly.
KRUGMAN: It’s so much easier, come on. You got the energy industry’s behind it. There are 20 times as many believers as there are skeptics in the scientific community. They get almost equal time in the media.
(CROSSTALK)
WILL: Is there a larger venture capital firm in this country than the Energy Department of this government, which right now is sending out billions and billions of dollars in speculation on green energy?
Noel Sheppard writes:
Skeptics get almost equal time in the media? Yeah, that’s why this appears to be the first time ABC addressed this ClimateGate issue.
As for there being more money in being a skeptic than there is in supporting this myth, the facts say otherwise.
The Science and Public Policy Institute issued a report on the money involved in funding the global warming debate in August concluding, “Over the last two decades, US taxpayers have subsidized the American climate change industry to the tune of $79 billion.”
By contrast, the same study found that the media bogeyman “Exxon Mobil gave a mere $23 million, spread over ten years, to climate sceptics.”
See the video and transcript at Newsbusters
UPDATE: Professor Don Easterbrook left this comment on the ABC news site:
I’ve spent 4 decades studying global climate change and as a scientist I am appalled at Krugman’s cavalier shrugging off the Hadley email scandal as ‘just the way scientists talk among themselves.’ That’s like saying it’s alright for politicians to be corrupt because that’s the way they are. Legitimate scientists do not doctor data, delete data they don’t like, hide data they don’t want seen, hijack the peer review process, personally attack other scientists whose views differ from theirs, send fraudulent data to the IPCC that is used to perpetuate the greatest hoax in the history science, provide false data to further legislation on climate change that will result in huge profits for corrupt lobbyists and politicians, and tell outright lies about scientific data.
Posted by: Don Easterbrook | Nov 29, 2009 1:57:05 PM
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I think we need to stop considering the NYT as a legitimate source of news 😉
Krugman is a pretty smart guy, but his rants against George Bush (justified or otherwise) eventually got waaay over the top. Maybe that’s where he became disconnected from reality. ;-> Geo. Bush did it!
I’m still awaiting my money from the energy industry. It maybe it’s lost in the mail, but I’m sure it will arrive any day now.
On the rise of a science bureaucracy – and, more to this point, its cozy relationship with mainstream media and science journalism – see “The war on the weather”:
http://vulgarmorality.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/the-war-on-the-weather/
Geez, somebody forgotten that I’ma denier too. where is my check?
I started to comment on Mr. Krugman, but everything I thought would have been “snipped”. So I’m going to snip myself and save the moderators time [snip]
When divided equally the so-called climate skeptic thinktanks were given around $50,000 dollars each by Exxon Mobil. That’s equal to the amount of money Lush’s (the cosmetics company) Mark Constantine gives to a few crazy university students every time they hijack an airstrip or attempt to trespass and cause damage to a coal factory.
Very funny, considering that Krugman used to be on Enron’s payroll. They paid him to write puff-pieces for them in the NYT.
It is nice to see Krugman exposing himself for the pathetic shill that he always has been.
Krugman is pathetic!
Suppressing opposing science is part of the of normal scientific process. Control of the peer review process is typical. Nothing to see here. Move on.
I was shocked when I heard he had won a Nobel prize, but we’ve seen what that means. All the time I thought he was just a NYT hack. Oh yeah, he is.
Krugman personifies the liberal who can reinterpret reality in order to fit his preconceived ideas.
AKA – He doesn’t have a clue.
Krugman is not a reporter; he is a columnist. For what it’s worth, I believe he also holds a Nobel Prize in Economics. He is an advocate for more taxes, more regulation and a larger government sector.
Wow. Skeptics are really raking it in. That’s why Anthony flies about in any one of his private jets, taking millions in speaking arrangements, millions in grants, millions in “anti-green” technology, millions in book deals, millions in movie deals. For shame! ‘Fess up, Anthony, just how many millions have you been paid to promote skepticism? C’mon, how many private jets do you own? All you other skeptics out there? It’s time you talked about the combined billions of dollars you’ve weasled out of the working man. Let’s hear about the trillions more you stand to gain once you’ve shot down AGW once and for all.
I just shed a tear for poor Al Gore (.etal) for the selfless work they’ve done, all to be ruined by the dirty money-grunging skeptics.
uh, Krugman’s not a reporter. Never been a reporter.
Not even much of a opinion columnist…
There is not one wash elite who has a grip on reality, it is what they say it is . How anyone thinks these insider dopes are competent is beyond me. Read the scientists review of the code and think.
You are right about the lamestream media, they live in what used to called their contrived cocoon world. And then along came the internet and it all came tumbling down. It’s only outfits like the NYTimes and YV News that didn’t get the memo. Van Jones — who? ACORN — did what? Climategate — what’s that?
Science itself is now on the brink, I sure hope enough respected scientists speak up and pull their profession back, before it goes over the cliff. If it goes over, the public will never again trust what is said in the name of science.
But to call people who inhabit sites like this, not real science people is demeaning to the whole of science itself. It’s just that we aren’t necessarily tethered to the grant bribery system of governments who are in it for the money. We are for the most part in it for the truth. At least I like to think I am.
Collaboration it is what the original gleam in the eye for the Internet really was … Back when my group was the 8th site hooked up to BBN.
Money for having sceptical views? Where? Where? Give me those Petrodollars!
/sarc
Why doesn’t Don Easterbrook tell it like it is ? LOL
As I said before to Dr. Curry…
You have to be completely buried in academia to fail to recognize that the AGW side has ALL of the power and money and that the “political noise machine” obstructing you has all the capacity to make noise of an ant trying to play a kazoo.
The Daily Telegraph and Mail were the only uk papers which have covered “Climategate”.
Now The Times Online
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936289.ece
Now The Daily Express has an angle
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/69623
Climategate back in Google autosuggestion. 13.1 million responses to search.
One of the World’s poorest selling books:
“Dummies Guide to making money as a Climate Skeptic”
So far, only one has been sold – to Krugman!
Krugman is a former advisor to Enron, the company that lobbied hard for energy credit trading.
We all know how that worked out.
Krugman.
Not related to Comical Ali by any chance?
He has an equal ability to make his mouth say anything, be it never so ludicrous.
The new name and motto for The New York Times are The New York Tunes, All The News That’s Fit To Orchestrate.
Whatever comes out of all this, I’m sure it’s Bush’s fault.
“I think we need to stop considering the NYT as a legitimate source of news ;-” — Manniac (13:52:51)
I’ve heard it called ‘The Walter Duranty Times’ in the past for his Pulitzer prize-winning, and fraudulent, writing on the Soviet Union.