Wow, Australia’s parliament just imploded over discord due to emissions trading scheme being pushed by opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull (website here). Here’s the news from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation:
Pretty heavy stuff when Liberal MP’s resign rather than vote for a cap and trade scheme. The vote seems rather difficult now.
Thanks Herchen,
I was referring to a different article a day or so ago. Will try to find URL
One would assume that many of those in the AGW alarmist community would now be quoting Bender; “Uh oh, we’re boned.”
But that assumes a degree of self awareness that the last ten years would deny.
“This may look like an Australian issue, but I suspect it’s a microcosm representative of other places (or maybe I just hope that). The defecting senators discussed above, described a “flood”, “torrent” etc of grass roots commentary, emails, phone calls and so on, damning the ETS and demanding their members and senators vote it down. I hope that latent and mostly silent group are present everywhere.”
Politicians elsewhere will notice if this public pressure causes a real ruckus in Australia. Even if Rudd gets his bill passed, that mightn’t be a defeat for us. It would make an even greater impact on foreign politicians if a tremendous uproar in the streets and in the media followed. E.g., real publicity given to climate change critics in op eds and televised debates.
Rumor, I think; fostered by foggy discussions of the acquired file’s original form/format (a ZIP file), it’s zip size (62 MB) versus it’s re-inflated size (~147 MB depending on target system hard drive cluster size) and perhaps an embedded zip file buried within one of the directories (a zip within a zip)
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You can’t make this stuff up …
… Oh wait, they did!
Now THAT is what I call honest to goodness political opposition! It’s the kind of opposition that failed to rear its head in Westminster, allowing the enconomy anihiliting Energy Bill to pass without so much as a raised eyebrow. But then, since our blessed Tory Shadow Chancellor is still wittering on about carbon footprints and reducing global temperature despite the CRUgate scandal, perhaps it isn’t so surprising after all…
DMS,
The Australian article is a “feature” story, not a mainstream article.
Here’s a story that is spreading like wildfire on the net with ClimateGate getting 7.2M hits on google this morning, (now one of the highest ranking search terms) yet the news of a trillion dollar global scam, and temperature data fraud in NZ and US, is being ignored by the press (except for UK Telegraph, Fox News, blogs, features and bits and pieces). Why isn’t it on the front pages of every newspaper ? Are we just seeing the tip of the iceberg of a conspiracy ?
It sounds like we need a coyote radio station to beam the truth into Australia! The Climate Underground!
Now in The Australian:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/labors-bid-to-pass-the-ets-has-been-scuttled-amid-speculation-turnbull-may-resign/story-e6frgczf-1225804441519
There is speculation Turnbull may realise the inevitable and resign, perhaps causing enough turmoil to avoid a vote on the Aussie ETS bill. Wishgul thinking perhaps, but I wish for it to be true.
I suppose I can take 0.000001% of the credit for all this. My 15+ emails must have had some effect. I was completely gobsmacked last night listening to Malcolm Turnbull. Who would have thought him either completely mad or suicidal? Interesting times indeed. I will be bereft if the ETS passes. I don’t have the know how to start or manage a “Repeal the ETS” movement but I’m up for a fight and will help anyone in Oz who wants to start it. Let’s hope it’s not needed. *crosses fingers*
Ummm Malcolm? “Here’s your hat. What’s your hurry?” Other MPs and Senators? We are watching and we WILL remember who voted in what way!
Being in the UK, the Australian system is similar to ours, the difference being that only one house is elected here.
There have been efforts to reform the Lords, (the unelected house), largely by getting rid of the hereditary peers, (members).
What this means is that every government gets the chance to stack the upper house.
Strangely, before the reforms, hereditary peers managed to keep a good balance & prevented extremes of both sides of the political divide.
I can’t see that the reforms have improved anything, at least Christopher Lord Monckton, Viscount Brenchley would have been a voting member.
I also see that people are still mistaking HARRY_READ_ME.txt as Harrys diary
This is how I see it.
1) A professional programmer was brought in to try & make sense of Tims program.
2) He saw the mess & decided to keep a diary.
3) He/she left/was fired, renamed the diary & told Harry there was something there for him to read.
You may ask why I think that was the chronology.
1) if it was a running commentary to Harry, there would have been either,
a) multiple files or
b) a very short file (the last message)
DaveE.
I just heard Dr Dennis Jensen MP on the radio. He’s a local member in WA and (as far as I know) the only scientist in parliament. He has a PhD in a field of science (I think physics) and has been a vocal opponent to the ETS in parliament. I emailed him yesterday saying to keep up the fight even tho I can’t vote for him as I’m on the other side of the country. He has put one of his full time staff on purely to forward all his emails on to Malcolm Turnbull. If anyone would like to email Dr Jensen (and then have them forwarded to Mr Turnbull) his contact page is here http://www.dennisjensen.com.au/contact.asp
With emails going thru a 3rd party Mr Turnbull can’t deny that he knows about the opposition to the ETS. Go for it..
Looks like Turnbull wont last the day and KRudds ETS is scuttled
http://www.twawki.wordpress.com
“I don’t have the know how to start or manage a “Repeal the ETS” movement but I’m up for a fight and will help anyone in Oz who wants to start it.”
Here’s an idea. Have ETS opponents gather round the airport and give Turnbull a sendoff to Copenhagen with a coordinated chorus of boos. (Ditto for the Kiwi PM.) That’ll make the news, if the gathering(s) are large enough. Man, imagine if 100,000 came! That would send a message to politicians worldwide: Ça ira!
PS: Let’s hope he leaves during the evening or on a weekend, when protesters have free time. (Is there any way to find out his schedule?)
The amazing thing here is that even if passed, the Australian ETS is not due to start for another 18 months or so, in 2011. And yet Rudd and Wong are trying to ram it through now.
“The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane”. Marcus Aurelius – Roman Emperor.
A lot of people are kidding themselves about the power of Climategate. Most of the population has never heard of it. Neither have most politicians. They are similarly fooling themselves over the size of the Climategate files – 60 mb not 160.
The mainstream media. have ignored climategate. Just as they have had a win with The Big Lie about man-made climate change, so they will have a win with The Big Ignore.
REPLY: The 60 MB is the size of the compressed Zip file. Extracted and uncompressed it expands to about 160 MB of total files size.- Anthony
The latest is that Tony Abbot has this morning (Oz time) confirmed that he will challenge for the leadership.
If Mr Turnbull ‘refuses to change his mind [on backing Climate change legislation] on Friday [presume he means today] there will be a leadership spill on Monday.’
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/tony-abbott-will-challenge-malcolm-turnbull-on-monday/story-e6frgczf-1225804446518
Truely at this moment, the history of Oz politics is turning on the fact or fiction of this science.
I have watch those jokers interviewed on Fox. In Oz we dont need that sort of shouting match. Believers will just shut down. Dunno who You have got in USA, but I would like to see come lately greenies careerists like Tim Flannery and also Clive Hamilton really challenged.
Tim Flannery
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2692526.htm
Clive Hamilton discussed here:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/unhealthy-climate-of-political-orthodoxy/story-e6frg6zo-1225804353283
I don’t think the Kiwi PM (John Key) is going to Copenhagen, even though Jim Salinger and Lucy Lawless tried to give him a free plane ticket. He has just pushed an ETS through Parliament, but its a pretty thin and scrawny ETS (and I don’t think he ever expects to have to implement it).
A small correction: the ETS isn’t Turnbull’s, it’s the (Labor) Government’s ETS scheme. Turnbull is backing the ETS with amendments, where as Liberal policy previously said that no decision should be made in supporting any ETS prior to Copenhagen.
Still, good news all round. The worm is finally turning here.
Thanks LilacWine: I’ve just emailed Dr Jenson with my support for his position and my total condemnation of this stupid ETS.
“Steve (04:11:40) :
This graph convinced David Attenborough that ‘global warming’ was anthropogenic.Can someone point out the fault with it and maybe set him straight? (He’s a very influential person to the man in the street).I originally saw a better quality copy but you can make it out still.”
From memory, he also supported the then (Circa 1970) concensus of a coming ice age. Go figure!
Looks like Turnbull is now the one in denial:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/bishop-calls-on-turnbull-to-resign/story-e6frgczf-1225804507150
Doesn’t seem to know when to step down.
The Australian seems to be censoring comments on their pages. What are other people finding? Concern about replacing Turnbull with Hockey as he is another alarmist, Abbot is a true skeptic.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_battlelines_firming_abbott_vs_hockey/
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Some in the party may well think Hockey is a compromise, when he in fact will be more like a rerun. The Liberals cannot be a Labor party and survive.
Also its time for Labor Politicians also to have a conscience vote instead of blindly following K Rudd! It is simply not good enough for those who are skeptical of global warming to sit their silent – they must stand up and speak out like those in the Liberal and National parties have. That way we can get a full bipartisan approach to stop an appalling policy based on climate fraud decimating Australia.
You can vote here in the daily telegraph as to who you prefer to lead the liberals;
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/hockey-to-fight-abbott-for-leadership/story-e6freuy9-1225804517983