Wow, Australia’s parliament just imploded over discord due to emissions trading scheme being pushed by opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull (website here). Here’s the news from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation:
Pretty heavy stuff when Liberal MP’s resign rather than vote for a cap and trade scheme. The vote seems rather difficult now.
A quick question: is Joanne Nova a media personality in Aus, or just a blogger?
It is clear that Australians are about to get a strong dose of Climate science. Already the Labor party are discussing sceptics as deniers and promoters of conspiracies ( Monckton was basically described as a kook in Parliament yesterday for his interpretation of the proposed climate treaty). The only way forward for the Liberals under a new leader is to talk about the science. It is the only way forward.
As you all saw last week on this blog that The Climate Sceptics party are running ads on TV already. We are also running in the two by-elections to be held next week. I urge all sceptics to lend our candidates Stephen Murphy in Higgins and Bill Koutalianos in Bradfield a hand and your support if you are voting in theses elections to defeat both the useless Liberals and the socialists greens.
Question:
I heard that 160 MB of data were taken, yet only 60 MB have been released so far.
Can we expect another bomb to be unloaded?
Or is that it?
Is the rest going to be unloaded during Copenhagen to embarass it? (Or am i getting carried away with fantasies?)
There will surely be a leadership spill tomorrow.
The problem is that the KRudd government can ram the bill through the Parliament tonight with the help of the current conservative leader.
To a.jones
30 years ago the Labor (left leaning liberal policied) government fell because the opposition blocked the money supply bill. The Queens representative sacked the government as without money supply they can’t govern. An election was held.
The Whitlam government was a left experiment that ended in a nightmare. Whitlam and his cronies turned a very prosperous country into a financial disaster in only three years. Ironically it was Iraq that bought them down. A loan scandal linked with some suspect shadowy Iraqi figures leaked.
The ruling party can call a double dissolution – both houses of parliament if they have a bill rejected. They need to petition the Queens representative to justify the sacking of both houses.
A double dissolution is a double edged sword. It often backfires on the governments who call them.
Australia is still not a republic. The British Queen is still the highest office holder of the land. No Australian born has any U.K. rights. This is a ridiculous situation.
The current government lead by Mr K.Rudd (or KRudd) is starting to mirror the financial ineptitude of the old Whtlam one.
Mr KRudd sees himself as a world champion and has visions of grandeur. His aim is to be up there with the big boys. He wants to be able to go to a meeting with Mr. Obami one can do next Monday and present a signed and delivered Emissions Trading Scheme.
Mr KRudd has recently be shunned by a stream of world leaders for his childish diplomacy.
The zipped archive was 62mb. Unzipped it was around 160mb. So the answer is almost certainly no.
At least Australia still has five politicians, honest and true. How many does Great Britain have?
I would like to see the liberal party split and the true conservatives join with the Nationals to form a new conservative party in Australia.
The Liberal party is being led by a lefty who does not represent those of us that have conservative values. If they pass this legislation we will have no one to vote for as the National party are a country party and do not stand candidates in the Cities.
Short of voting for an independent their is no way voters can send the message to Turnbull without retaining the Rudd Government which is an even worse disaster for Australia.
We are in a very bad political situation IMO.
I think we’re starting to get some traction with the MSN.
We, the Climate Sceptics Party, held a rally in the Sydney CBD Wednesday. Below is a link to Today Tonight on the Seven Network last night. This shows Mr Bill Koutalianos, our candidate for a bye-election in Sydney on 5th Dec, pushing our case.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/-/watch/16820843
Now i`m sure, Man made global warming is the truth!
More than a handfull scientits, politicans and media did create it.
If we stop them, we can stop cape and trade and all these useless thinks around the world.
http://i49.tinypic.com/2gy8w9v.jpg
(maybe the last AGW dinner at Copenhagen)
there is only a bees dick of difference in australian labor/liberal parties.
the real difference is in the factions, Krudds mob are fabian socialist,incremental globalist, fascists of the future. they would love an early election as a mandate to push their agenda into high gear. Beware the banker in sheeps clothing.
NEWS for WUWT readers, Anthony and Mods:
Dr Tim Ball will spend two hours Thursday overnight, interviewed on the nationally syndicated radio program “Coast to Coast,” hosted by George Noory. (I heard the announcement with a teaser by Tim himself!, 3:07AM Mountain Time)
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
For those not night owls, a pod cast will be available later.
THIS DESERVES ITS OWN THREAD, GUYS.
“Coast to Coast” is how I really got to feel like I know him, from two past appearances on the show. Compelling and informative.
Unfortunately there is little sophistication in the Australian media, though that may be a world wide problem.
Watching Sky News at this moment they are much more interested in the political blood letting rather than the doubts in climate science after the UEA CRU release.
Hopefully the second tranche of CRU data will come out over the weekend and finally burn through the MSM apathy.
Every time I have heard Malcolm Turnbull speak at party functions he acknowledges that there is strong doubt by party members re AGW.
He has never spoken down to these people but has said that if he had carriage of this debate he would introduce policies that are good in there own right and the fact that they reduce CO2 emmisions would be a secondary benefit.
These would include bio char to improve soil condition, reforestation of marginal farm land both in Australia and near by countries ie Indonesia / PNG/ Solomons etc, better utilisation and management of water on this dry continent.
He felt that this would be a fair compromise in the policy debate over AGW.
I am in the position of having 40 hectares of native montane forest that under the CPRS have no carbon credit value because it was initially started in 1989 rather than 1990.
I dont know why but a tree that started to grow in 1989 has NO sequestration of carbon value but one that started in1990 does.
That is how stupid this CPRS is and it offends me that land that I am responsible for does not accrue credits for the carbon that it sequesters but the business that I run on this land will be carbon taxed.
This Rudd/Wong CPRS bill sucks!
Just heard on the 9 pm news that senior Liberal members are now openly calling for Turncoat to resign. He’s dogmeat! As reported earlier, Liberals had their phone and fax systems at meltdown and their email boxes jammed full.
I sent very firm but polite emails to all Liberal senators in NSW about this. Radio 2GB has been excellent in their support. Alan Jones had Turnbull on about 10 days ago. According to Turnbull it doesn’t matter that prominent people like Lindzen say. All the world’s governments think it’s good and that’s all that matters. What a galah!
Good riddance Mal and take that little ponce Christopher Pyne with you.
I believe that if the Liberals blocked the ETS and managed to get their act together (a lot to ask, I know) they could win the next election, whether double dissolution or no. Nobody likes a new tax. All they would have to do is clearly explain the effect of the ETS on people’s standard of living, as well as the lack of any actual effect on the climate. The ongoning corruption scandal, with its possible criminal investigations and resignations would be a bonus.
Rudd must be chewing his nails to the quick hoping Turnbull is stupid enough to hand this to him now and not put him in the untenable position of having to fight for something which has been shown up as a fraud.
Meanwhile, the red satellite phone will be melting as Prime Minister Kevin Rudd wings his way to Trinidad to attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM).
During the summit, being held in Port of Spain between 27 and 29 November 2009, leaders are set to discuss issues such as the global economic crisis and climate change.
Following this enlightenment Kevin will be in Washington to confer with President Obama and discuss the battle plan for Copenhagen. Could be a tad embarrassing for Kev if his pet project has been thrown out behind his back after he had thought that he had it all sewn up.
Wouldn’t look too good for his “Friend of the Chair” status either at the Danish junket:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/26/2754623.htm?section=world
My emails to Australian Senators queried costly ET policy based on fudged data, as revealed in CRU emails.
Following on from alleagra’s comment re the UK Daily Mail, I regret to say that our experience in the UK is similar to that of Australia. Many have commented on James Delingpole’s blogs on the Daily Telegraph (the first of which still remains their daily most-viewed site a week later) but the actual newspapers have given the issue minimal coverage on the basis of the leak rather than the content. The Independent (sic) has not mentioned it at all but all of the papers still give prominent coverage to pre-Copenhagen scare stories. The only Member of Parliament who seems to have commented is the Conservative, Peter Lilley who only had the opportunity to do so via Russian media.
Could I appeal to all UK-based Watts Up With That readers to write to their MPs and prospective MPs and demand to know what action they plan to take with regard to CRU, whether they would support an independent inquiry and – if the inquiry found against CRU – whether or not they would support the repeal of the climate change legislation that was passed almost unanimously last year. Hopefully, reasonable pressure might persuade the Conservative Party’s MPs to reconsider their position, especially if they see an opportunity to improve their chances of re-taking power at next year’s election. If nothing else, it will, at least, let them know that we’re on to them.
Given the enormity of what’s being proposed in the name of climate change and the near blackout with regards to the CRU coverage, it is very difficult to avoid suspicions of conspiracy. I suspect the greens are in for a nasty surprise when they eventually discover that their environmental concerns are not the real objective.
Greg Cavanagh (23:49:46) :
Nor have I seen any mention of this unfolding email leak mention in any news broadcast in Australia. Its been 6 days now and not a word.
You need to get out more Greg…its not been on the 6 o’clock news (much) but many news paper articles, and current affairs programs like the 7.30 report and Lateline have been asking the hard questions re the leak. Question time in the parliament as well as the senate speeches have mentioned it several times.
There is no doubt the “ClimateGate effect” is a driver in the current Liberal revolt.
The final vote is set for tomorrow afternoon at 3:45pm (Sydney time). They can’t really ram it through much quicker, because there are over 200 amendments that need to be dealt with.
The liberals have time, tomorrow morning, to hold a party-room meeting and install a new leader. Tony Abbott (conservative “faction”) is the most likely successor. If Abbott becomes the new leader tomorrow morning, the legislation may not pass – it may either be voted down, or deferred until after the Copenhagen summit. If no new leader takes over tomorrow morning, it is very likely the legislation will pass.
Those with any interest can watch the live parliamentary proceedings here:
http://webcast.aph.gov.au/livebroadcasting/ (click the senate link).
Les Francis says: “Australia is still not a republic. The British Queen is still the highest office holder of the land. No Australian born has any U.K. rights.”
Actually, though Her Majesty, Elizabeth the Second, by Grace of God Queen of Australia and her other realms and territories is our sovereign, that does not mean that Australia is not a republic; we’re just not a presidential republic. (Res publica, by the way, is Latin for “public concern” or “commonwealth.”) Many people born in Australia do have British rights—if their parents were British. I can’t claim British citizenship, though my mother be Scottish, because I was born too long ago. Contemporaries with British fathers may claim British citizenship.
Australian elections don’t mean much to me: I was disenfranchised by State and Federal governments and may not vote because the Governments don’t like my name.
I can’t vote, so I comment on websites.
I have been trying to understand Turnbull’s thinking and simply can’t.
The core problem is that Turnbull is the Liberal leader when he really wants to be the Labor leader. Why else would he commission an Access Economics study on the effects of the ETS and go scurrying to Rudd’s office – and not share the results with his own party?
K Rudd to force vote tomorrow on ETS. He and Turnbull slither into action. Yet will this be legal when its now public knowledge its based on junk science, Guess KRudd doesnt care hes got his seat on the new world government!
“Iren (00:44:48) :
I have been trying to understand Turnbull’s thinking and simply can’t. There’s obviously a bit stubborn price and trying to impose his authority in it but he was well aware of the divisions in his party on the issue, which have been simmering for some time, and the release of the CRU documents gave him a golden opportunity to say that, with the new information to hand, he would step back and reconsider. That’s all he had to do. The Cap and Tax has been shelved. Copenhagen is going nowhere. What’s the imperative to pass it here? To enable Rudd to boast about his world leadership?
Turnbull is my own M.P. and I’ve written to him on many occasions on this subject. Earlier, when the ETS was popular (public ignorance) he was afraid of a double dissolution wipeout but he MUST be aware now of the changes in public perceptions. In fact, his only opportunity to win the next election is to reject the legislation and force Labor to stand on it in an election. Just think what a scare campaign could be run.
Everyone is always saying how bright Turnbull is so I have to assume that he knows all this. This leaves only two options that I can see –
1. He’s such an idealogue that he will go to any lengths, including
destroying his own party and leadership, to get this through (which
means he’s in the wrong party), or
2. There is some pecuniary interest in it for him. He did, after all, make his
considerable fortune as a merchant banker.
If anyone has any other possible explanation I’d be delighted to hear it because I’m stumped.”
Money and power, power and money. Almost unlimited in both cases, unearnt (He’s used to that). As simple as that.
Check out the Update 3 bit of this report
http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/11/breaking-nzs-niwa-accused-of-cru-style-temperature-faking.html
Well, I am surprised. Who would have thought Her Majesty’s Liberal Members of Parliament would remember they posessed a spine.
By the by, the Queen of Australia is the highest rank in the land, not the Queen of Great Britain. Different positions and titles, same person, but it needn’t be that way necessarily.
Incidentally, they are largely a monarchist party (apart from Turnbullshit, funnily enough, so calling them light republicans is delightfully ironic. This is really the one policy for which I have any respect for the party. The fewer powers going to politicians, the better.
God Save The Queen.