From Andrew Bolt, my “mate” down under at the Herald Sun, comes this surprise. I’ll have to say, it is to George Monbiot’s credit to do this. I embrace his first statement, because it succinctly sums up the situation:
It’s no use pretending that this isn’t a major blow. The emails extracted by a hacker from the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia could scarcely be more damaging(1). I am now convinced that they are genuine, and I’m dismayed and deeply shaken by them.
– George Monbiot on his personal blog
George seems to realize that, “it’s worse than we thought”.
From Andrew Bolt:
Even George Monbiot, one of the fiercest media propagandists of the warming faith, admits he should have been more sceptical and says the science now needs to be rechecked:
It’s no use pretending that this isn’t a major blow. The emails extracted by a hacker from the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia could scarcely be more damaging. I am now convinced that they are genuine, and I’m dismayed and deeply shaken by them.
Yes, the messages were obtained illegally. Yes, all of us say things in emails that would be excruciating if made public. Yes, some of the comments have been taken out of context. But there are some messages that require no spin to make them look bad. There appears to be evidence here of attempts to prevent scientific data from being released, and even to destroy material that was subject to a freedom of information request.
Worse still, some of the emails suggest efforts to prevent the publication of work by climate sceptics, or to keep it out of a report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. I believe that the head of the unit, Phil Jones, should now resign. Some of the data discussed in the emails should be re-analysed.
Sure, Monbiot claims the fudging of what he extremely optimistically puts as just “three or four” scientists doesn’t knock over the whole global warming edifice, yet…
If even Monbiot, an extremist, can say that much, why cannot the Liberals say far more? And will now the legion of warmist journalists in our own media dare say as Monbiot has so belatedly:
I apologise. I was too trusting of some of those who provided the evidence I championed. I would have been a better journalist if I had investigated their claims more closely.
Scepticism is the essential disposition of our craft, yet too many journalists have abandoned it. Remember: the opposite of sceptical is gullible.
UPDATE: Here’s the screencap from Monbiot’s blog on the Guardian:
Click to see the original.
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George has a great title for his piece.
“The Knights Carbonic”
It is up there with
“The Climat-ati”
Which I read somewhere else.
S
BBC’s Paul Hudson was sent the emails concerning him on October 12th!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2009/11/climategate-cru-hacked-into-an.shtml
Look at it this way: OK, GM is performing a modified, limited hangout, which is the absolute minimum the situation calls for. We could say that this isn’t very courageous, etc.
But still, what he’s done is better than what 95% of his fellow CAWGers have done–they’re still “in denial.” They refuse to give an inch. Think what that implies about them. They can’t even do the minimum!
Moinbot should still debate Plimer. Should this happen Moinbot will have no arms and legs. Have people seem Plimer speak? he is an outback Aussie mining guy as well as a highly qualified academic, cruxifiction cometh…
From the post:
[…]
“If even Monbiot, an extremist, can say that much, why cannot the Liberals say far more? And will now the legion of warmist journalists in our own media dare say as Monbiot has so belatedly: […]”
Nahhh… here’s the headline (yes, front page top and center) from my local paper yesterday.
Since ’97, global warming has just gotten worse
By Seth Borenstein, Associated Press
I honestly thought they’d have something about the CRU emails, maybe on page 4 or 5, but they had that instead. Sigh.
Which just goes to show, you can lead some journalists to water..
…but they’ll jump back ’cause “it could rise by 20 feet any minute now.”
Late reply, and cheers for having me (despite my confrontational tone)!
About misreading Monbiot, you may have overlooked the structure of his argument. He’s saying:
A) OMG, things do look bad
B) This is how frickin’ bad they’d have to be to change anything
Due to the extreme sarcasm used in B) he is effectually trivializing A) and what I was reacting to was anyone taking this for an apology. What he’s saying is: your most explosive interpretation of the letters wouldn’t be able to make a dent in the main argument. He supplies a friendly, to your way of looking at things, interpretation of the letters just to drive home his actual point. He’s not really saying that things are all that bad either, but that they can be made to look that way. I do think he was honest when saying that this has not been good for the AGW side and that some details/data should be reanalyzed because of this whole affair; mainly to clear the air of accusations.
OT but we are going into meltdown mode in politics over here in Australia. Extraordinary scenes as the leader of the opposition walks out, then claims victory for the ETS despite not having it. Looks like Turnbull wont last the week and I would say K Rudd is next in line.
http://www.twawki.wordpress.com
Also see Andrew Bolt’s blog – its going into meltdown over the issue;
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/
Robinson (02:12:48) :
Summarised best here methinks…
Anything of a political nature was addressed at some time or other in Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister. As Hacker says “…the Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country…”
“In the article he calls for the resignation of one man (Dr. Phil Jones), concedes the damaged credibility of three or four others,” Let us take these words from oakgeo a bit further. Surely there are more folks who have taken part in this fraud? I bet that even the office cat knew what was going on.How many are people actually involved in the institutions ? Are they all as innocent and pure as the driven snow? Should an amnesty be offered to anyone who comes clean and admits to aiding and abetting ?
In troubling situations, people pull on deep unconscious parts of their being to kick in. Almost always IMO there are monsters in the depths as well as angels. I see GM revealing both. What I will watch, however, is what he does with his angel and his monster. Does he use his angel “I am sorry. I would have been a better journalist…” etc to discipline his monster, to write another blog to say “I wrote a dreadful piece about the Carbonic Knight. It was tasteless in the extreme, given the current situation, and uninformed about other skeptical claims, and all I can say is …sorry, again…”
During Watergate, Nixon’s right-hand man Charles Colson did a complete turnaround. Colson eventually chose to ‘fess where he need not have done, but did it for his conscience’s sake, and as a result he went to prison. What he did there is a testimony to the power of Spirit and Truth to work good in a very bad situation.
Well, I’ll take that back.
I’ve just read your Knights of Carbonic piece.
…you’re still a moonbat.
but at least you were man enough to make the right call on these leaked docs.
David Archibald, Turn the Heat on the High Priests of Global Warming.
http://climaterealists.com/?id=4436
Read this please.
” Paul Hudson | 13:07 UK time, Monday, 23 November 2009
Very busy with forecast duties right now, but I do intend to write a blog regarding the UK Climate research centre (CRU) being hacked into, and the possible implications of this very serious affair.
I will add comment on this page as soon as I can free up some time. But I will in the meantime answer the question regarding the chain of e-mails which you have been commenting about on my blog, which can be seen here, and whether they are genuine or part of an elaborate hoax.
I was forwarded the chain of e-mails on the 12th October, which are comments from some of the worlds leading climate scientists written as a direct result of my article ‘whatever happened to global warming’. The e-mails released on the internet as a result of CRU being hacked into are identical to the ones I was forwarded and read at the time and so, as far as l can see, they are authentic.
More later. ”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2009/11/climategate-cru-hacked-into-an.shtml
Don’t fall for Monbiot’s so called change of heart as I don’t trust him for a second. Jones is obviously expendable and Monbiot is aware of this.. Send in someone else of like mind and get the same result and get a better impact.
Gee whiz, can’t anyone see that Moonbat is simply trying to be too cute? Essentially, he’s making fun of everyone who’s reacting to the CRU emails as though this is the smoking gun of a great AGW conspiracy (which of course, it is).
The guy is playing you and you’re falling for it.
Plimer once had a debate with a Creationist and won handsomely.
He’s pratt and a very very bad reporter. Typical of the quality of those employed under the BBC’s need for reporters that can do other things like dancing and singing.
Pratt, Pratt Monbiot.
OK, he’s the first. WIll there be more?
This was an interesting article UNTIL the sarcasm in the bottom 1/4 of the page.
kattweizel? Catweazle?
Wasn’t that a character in a british childrensprogram in the 70’s, a magician/alchymist from the middle ages sent to our time?
The German press has wasted no time.
Without missing a beat!
Suddenly, the SUN may be resposnble for climate change!
http://www.welt.de/wissenschaft/weltraum/article5304764/Sonnenwind-gibt-Antworten-zum-Klimawandel.html
Them Germans are so cutting-edge in science, I’ll tell ya!
Bah, these global warming believers!
If you discovered that the entire emmental cheese was mouldy, they’d tell you the holes are still edible.
That’s the trouble with post-modern types; they can always recontextualise everything to suit themselves; which means they get to protect their egos.
Instead of showing genuine concern that some people have corrupted the process, they dismiss it as irrelevant. I’m sure the police could use the same argument when a few racist officers are found; just dismiss them as a couple of bad apples that in no way reflect upon the force, and anyone who claims the police might have a problem with institutional racism is just a conspiracy nut. The irony is that post-modernism is what brought the deconstruction of institutionalised power structures to everyone’s consciousness. Now they can’t discern their own institutional power structures–how ironic.
Still, it is the hardest thing to look at one’s self objectively. I don’t think any of these people are bad or evil, they’re just lacking sufficient objectivity in the face of mistakes.
Bulldust!
By George, that’s a good one!
I found this e-mail ewhile searching in anelegantchaos. Does anyonw know what this “Earth Government” is? I am just curious about what this is and would appreciate any tips.
Thank you.
Sorry for the lenght of the post.
From: Earth Government
Subject: Press release from Earth Government and April Newsletter
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:05:07 -0800
Press release from Earth Government and April Newsletter
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
This Press release from Earth Government is found at
[1]http://members.shaw.ca/earthgov/HNewsPR05.htm
Formation of Earth Government for the good of all
March 27th, 2003
To all Peoples of the Earth,
Earth has long been waiting for a truly global governing body based on universal values,
human rights, global concepts and democracy. Earth Government might as well be created now,
there is no longer any reason to wait. We are the Earth Community, and we will form the
Earth Government. Earth management is a priority and is a duty by every responsible person.
A democratically elected Earth Government will now be formed, and we want you to reflect on
future effects of such an event on the history of humanity. Certainly one will expect
extraordinary changes: a reorganizing of human activities all over the planet;
participation by all societies on the planet in solving local and global problems; new
alliances forming; north meeting with south (eradication of poverty will be the price to
pay to get votes from the south) in order to gather more votes within the newly created
Earth Government to satisfy power struggles between European, Asian and Western countries;
adoption of democratic principles, human and Earth rights, global concepts, and universal
values by every human being; expansion of consciousness; gathering and coordinating of
forces to resolve social and political problems in a peaceful way (no more conflicts or
wars); gathering and coordinating of forces (technologies, scientific research, exploration
work, human resources, etc.) to resolve global problems such as global climate,
environment, availability of resources, poverty, employment, etc. Thousands more changes!
Let your heart and mind reflect on ‘the good’ of a democratically elected Earth Government.
Everyone is part of Earth Community by birth and therefore everyone has a right to vote.
Everyone should be given a chance to vote. Decisions will be made democratically.
Earth Government is proposing that:
a) different nations may require different political systems at different times
b) a democratic system is not a “must have it” to be a responsible member nation of the
Earth Government
c) all democracies are to be upgraded, or improved upon, to be a responsible member nation
of the Earth Government. The Scale of Human and Earth Rights and the Charter of the Earth
Government are the newly added requirements to all democratic systems of the world.
In today’s Earth Government it is important for our survival to cooperate globally on
several aspects such as peace, security, pollution in the air, water and land, drug trade,
shelving the war industry, keeping the world healthy, enforcing global justice for all,
eradicating poverty worldwide, replacing the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by the
Scale of Human and Earth Rights, and entrenching the Charter of Earth Government as a way
of life for the good of all.
Earth needs urgently a world system of governance. The United Nations fail to satisfy the
needs of the people of the 21st Century. It has never improved upon the old ways and
thinking of the middle of the 20th Century. Its voting system no longer satisfy the 6.157
billion people on Earth. The challenges are different and require a world organization up
for dealing with the needs of all these people.
During the past several years, the Earth Government has been pleading the United Nations
leaders to make changes in the UN organizational structure and ways of doing things. There
has been an urgent need for fundamental changes in the United Nations organization. The
decision of the United States Government to invade the Middle East nations and Afghanistan
has shown to be a result of this incapacity for changes on the part of the United Nations.
A lack of leadership at the United Nations is a major threat to the security of the world.
The world wants a true democratic world organization. The UN is not!
The most fundamental requirement of a world organization is a democratic system of voting.
Democracy must be a priority. The right that the greatest number of people has by virtue of
its number (50% plus one) is a human right. It should be respected. The actual UN system of
voting is undemocratic, unfair and noone likes it. It does not work! Earth Government has
proposed a voting system based on democracy.
Of the 190 Member States of the United Nations, it takes only one of the five permanent
members to overthrow any decision or proposal during a meeting. This means 1/189 or 0.5% of
the membership is more powerful than the remaining 99.5%. If that is not a dictature, what
is it? It does not say much about democracy at the UN. More like a dictature of the five
permanent members. In the Preamble of the Charter of the United Nations, it says “WE THE
PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS ” but in fact it should say “WE THE FIVE PERMANENT MEMBERS”.
The voting system for Earth Government is very simple and practical. One representative per
million people. If all countries in the world had decided now to participate with this
process we would have today 6,114 elected representatives to form Earth Government. They
would form the Legislative body of Earth Government. They could actually all stay home to
govern or from some place in their communities. Today communications are more than good
enough to allow voting and discussing issues, etc. through the Internet and video
conferencing. That would cut cost of governing down to a minimum, at least administrative
costs. The Executive body would also govern in this way to cut cost down to a minimum.
Ministers can administer their Ministries from where they live if they wish to. There will
be a place for the Headquarters. We will show that it costs very little to administer Earth
Government, and that we can achieve immense results. There is no limit to the good the
Earth Government can achieve in the world. Think! What can do a unified 6.114 billion
people determined to make things work to keep Earth healthy?
For the first time in human history, and the first time this millennium, humanity has
proposed a benchmark:
* formation of Earth Government
* formation of global ministries in all important aspects of our lives
* the Scale of Human and Earth Rights as a replacement to the Universal Declaration of
Human Rights
* an evolved Democracy based on the Scale of Human and Earth Rights and the Charter of
the Earth Government
* a central organization for Earth management, the restoration of the planet and Earth
governance: the Global Community Assessment Centre (GCAC)
* the Earth Court of Justice to deal with all aspects of the Governance and Mangement of
the Earth
* a new impetus given to the way of doing business and trade
* more new, diversified (geographical, economical, political, social, business,
religious) symbiotical relationships between nations, communities, businesses, for the
good and well-being of all
* the event and formation of the human family and the Soul of Humanity
* proposal to reform the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the World Bank,
the IMF, NAFTA, FTAA, and to centralize them under Earth Government, and these
organizations will be asked to pay a global tax to be administered by Earth Government
* the Peace Movement of the Earth Government and shelving of the war industry from
humanity
* a global regulatory framework for capitals and corporations that emphasizes global
corporate ethics, corporate social responsibility, protection of human and Earth rights,
the environment, community and family aspects, safe working conditions, fair wages and
sustainable consumption aspects
* the ruling by the Earth Court of Justice of the abolishment of the debt of the poor or
developing nations as it is really a form of global tax to be paid annually by the rich
or industrialized nations to the developing nations
* establishing freshwater and clean air as primordial human rights
The political system of an individual country does not have to be a democracy. Political
rights of a country belong to that country alone. Democracy is not to be enforced by anyone
and to anyone or to any community. Every community can and should choose the political
system of their choice with the understanding of the importance of such a right on the
Scale of Human and Earth Rights. On the other hand, representatives to Earth Government
must be elected democratically in every part of the world. An individual country may have
any political system at home but the government of that country will have to ensure (and
allow verification by Earth Government) that representatives to Earth Government have been
elected democratically. This way, every person in the world can claim the birth right of
electing a democratic government to manage Earth: the rights to vote and elect
representatives to form the Earth Government.
In order to elect representatives to Earth Government it is proposed the following:
A. Each individual government in the world will administer the election of
representatives to Earth Government with an NGO and/or members of Earth Government be
allowed to verify all aspects of the process to the satisfaction of all parties
involved.
B. Representatives be elected every five years to form a new Earth Government.
C. It is proposed here that there will be one elected representative per 1,000,000
people. A population of 100 million people will elect 100 representatives. This process
will create a feeling of belonging and participating to the affairs of the Earth
Community and Earth Government.
D. A typical community of a million people does not have to be bounded by a geographical
or political border. It can be a million people living in many different locations all
over the world. The Global Community is thus more fluid and dynamic. We need to let go
the archaic ways of seeing a community as the street where I live and contained by a
border. Many conflicts and wars will be avoided by seeing ourselves as people with a
heart, a mind and a Soul, and as part of a community with the same.
E. Earth population is now 6.114 billion people. If all representatives had been elected
this year there would be 6,114 representatives to form Earth Government. They would be
the Legislative elected body of Earth Government. They would participate in some ways in
choosing the Executive and Judiciary bodies of Earth Government.
Humanity has now a Vision of the Earth in the years to come and a sense of direction.
May the DIVINE WILL come into our lives and show us the way.
May our higher purpose in life bring us closer to the Soul of Humanity and God.
Germain Dufour, President
Earth Community Organization (ECO) and Earth Government
___________________________________________________________________________________________
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April 2003 Newsletter
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1.0 President’s Message
2.0 Letter to the Prime Minister of Canada, Jean Chretien, concerning Peace in the
Middle East
3.0 Letter to the American and British Peoples concerning the invasion of the Middle
East
4.0 Letter to all Canadians concerning the total and global embargo on all US products,
all goods and services
5.0 Letter to the Moslem and the Arab Peoples
6.0 Letter to Jiang Zemin and Zhu Rongji of China, and to the Chinese People
7.0 Letter to the United Nations
8.0 Articles
A) How women matter in decreasing world population
B) The energy we need
C) Mining the impacts
D) Symbiotical relationship of religion and global life-support systems
E) Celebration of Life Day
F) The hidden agenda: China
G) Earth Government now a priority
H) The splitting of America into separate independent states living at peace for the
good of all
I) The war industry: the modern evil at work in the Middle East
J) Earth security
K) Earth governance
L) The Earth Court of Justice holds the people of the U.S.A. and Britain as criminals
M) Foundation for the new world order, Earth Government
Improved Democracy, Nonviolence, and Peace
Respect and Care for the Global Community of Life
Ecological Integrity
Social and Economic Justice
A new symbiotical relationship between that of spirituality and the
protection of the global life-support systems
Scale of Human and Earth Right
Earth Court of Justice
Charter of Earth Government
May the DIVINE WILL come into our lives and show us the way.
May our higher purpose in life bring us closer to the Soul of Humanity and God.
Germain Dufour, President
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