A summary from Dr. Benny Peiser’s daily newsletter:
Delay is preferable to error.
–Thomas Jefferson
A world treaty on climate change will be delayed by up to a year and is likely to be watered down because countries with the highest greenhouse gas emissions are refusing to commit to legally binding reductions. The admission that no treaty will be signed at Copenhagen marks the failure of the process agreed at a UN meeting in Bali in December 2007, when industrialised countries agreed to deliver a binding climate-change agreement within two years.
–Ben Webster, The Times, 6 November 2009
Nitin Desai, a member of Manmohan Singh’s council on climate change and a former top UN official, said a hard-nosed concession-based negotiation to reach a global consensus on how to combat global warming would likely founder.
–James Lamont, Financial Times, 6 November 2009
The deadline for 192 countries to complete a new global-warming accord may slip by as much as one year, as negotiators hold back on pledges to slash emissions or pay financial aid to poor nations.
–Alex Morales, Bloomberg, 6 November 2009
We must all be willing to disagree about climate change; and respect each other for it.
–Mike Hulme, 5 November 2009
A British judge has decided that belief in human influence on climate has the status of religious conviction. This is being celebrated as a success by some activists. As a scientist who works on climate change, I find it deeply alarming. Is Jeremy Clarkson similarly entitled to protection if he declares himself a conscientious objector and wants to keep his 4×4?
–Myles Allen, The Guardian, 5 November 2009
The Times newspaper says it won’t be repeating an advertisement that contained a false and misleading piece of environmental alarmism. The advert, part of a series boasting its eco-credentials, claimed that the world’s oceans would be free of fish by 2048. Boris Pope had made the claim in a 2006 paper in Science, which despite its reputation as a prestigious peer-reviewed journal, has a weakness for publishing shoddy junk science on environmental subjects. He’s since recanted.
–Andrew Orlowski, The Register, 6 November 2009
Politicians use drama to build support and gain a reaction from the public. Look at the “Weapons of Mass Destruction” campaign over the Iraq war. And certain climate change activists have distorted facts about global warming, appealing to sentiment rather than logic, to scare citizens into believing their theories of impending apocalypse. Such tactics have undermined the scientific credibility of their argument but may still carry the day, enforcing a terrifying upheaval to our way of life. Their persuasive narrative – even if it is wrong – shows starkly the power of emotion.
–Luke Johnson, Financial Times, 3 November 2009
(1) ALL HOPE IS LOST FOR COPENHAGEN CLIMATE TREATY, BRITISH OFFICIALS SAY
Ben Webster, The Times, 6 November 2009
(2) INDIAN GOVERNMENT ADVISER WARNS CLIMATE TALKS COULD FAIL
James Lamont in Delhi, Financial Times, 6 November 2009
(3) NEW CLIMATE TREATY LIKELY TO BE DELAYED INDEFINIETLY AS NATIONS ‘PLAY GAMES’
Alex Morales, Bloomberg, 6 November 2009
(4) OPINION: THE QUIET DEATH OF THE KYOTO PROTOCOL
Samuel Thernstrom, The American, 5 November 2009
The South Pacific must be awfully cold for an iceberg to be floating around for years without melting.
The terms “legally binding” and “pay financial aid to poor nations” and “religious conviction” and “climate change activists have distorted facts about global warming” and “Delay is preferable to error” …
… should give any rational person pause.
Speaking of willing goons that surround the climate scammers…. I have to ask (from a UK POV) Watts up with this? There is no point in denying it: we’re losing. (don’t visit the link or he gets another week in paid employment)
Has this gruesome little man looked in the mirror and recognised that the scam is winding up and he may have to get a real job? In a world of ’20 foot sea level rise’ he is the only one with no beach front property?
Yet he manages to go on …
Err.. George.. wouldn’t they be the people most likely to have experienced a full 60-70 year cycle you muppet. Of course they are also the people most likely to have seen you and your ilk come and go like the tide. Ride the wave then get dumped on the beach.
He really does seem to have a problem with anybody (age wise) resembling the Bearded Bungler (see a pattern here folks? Again don’t visit – he gets paid if you do). The trouble with attacking ‘bearded bunglers’ like David Bellamy is that as a child DB was a big influence on my life whereas ‘George’ just reminds me of ‘Grima Wormtongue’. Like I said earlier – a gruesome little man.
George Monbiot – lets all wish him the best, you have to respect a man that has made a living for so long out of 0.6C. Shame he won’t (AFIK) be getting his reward from the carbon markets he has done so much to create. Tool.
Jerker Andersson wrote above: “The picture is “lille havsfru” ( I think that is what it is called in danish). It has its own very special history with cut off head and other weird sabotage.
In the background you see Sweden which is just cut off from denmark by a very narrow ocean which take about 20 min to bass with a ferry between Helsingborg and Helsingör( which is roughly 100 km north of Copenhagen)”.
It is actually “Den lille havfrue”. or “The Little Mermaid” in English. What you see behind is not Sweden but Holmen, that used to be the main naval facility for the Danish Navy. The white ship with the yellow funnel is the Danish royal yacht. A new bridge spanning Oeresund was opened around nine years ago linking Copenhagen with Malmoe in Sweden by road and rail. Fortunately relations are more relaxed between Sweden and Denmark now so no chance now of a hostile Swedish army making an assault using the bridge.
first:
John F. Hultquist (15:45:59) :
George E. Smith (15:29:01) :
Mark Wagner (13:59:41) :
Jeeze, George! I guess you two must be friends. Nothing else explains you unloading on Mark otherwise.
no worries. Mark is from the US of A. Dallas, TX. Ditto what he said.
Second:
Wake up guys, those behind the scam are a tough bunch of characters and they won’t back off. They will try to set the political frame work (which is the most vicious part of the treaty) and fill in the details later.
Ditto what he said, too. Whether they are true believers or just con men (algore, IMO) this cuts to the very core of their person. They WILL NOT go quietly.
Robert Wood (15:42:51) :
What was the Tipping Point? Boxer’s bungle in the Senate or India & China’s refusal to do anything; or, perhaps, just the realization of the enormity of the cost.
I personally take credit for my 100’s of twitter messages re-tweeting WUWT messages. 🙂
rbateman
“Gaia scrubbing”, what a brilliant term. Lets use Al Gore as a mop then we might get some good use out of him.
Mark Wagner (17:45:30) :
I agree Mark. They will not go quietly. The late night bill-passing is not going well.
Which explains the stormy look on my Senator’s face.
Don’t blame your constituents for voicing thier displeasure over what you’ve been doing to thier future, Senator Boxer. Nobody wants to pay a kings ransom over a fairy tale.
This attitude is what we’re dealing with: click
(If people saw it in the cold light of day) An end to (teaching) frightening kids using an imaginary god (Gaia) where original sin (like heating your home) is punished in Hell (burning trees, drowning fluffy pets) unless you ‘see the light’ and join with us all and worship at our Alter.
I have no problem with conventional religion. The thing about Catholics, Jews, Protestants … whatever, is that they believe and get on with their belief. They have no real reason to ‘convert’ others – sin is punished elsewhere.
The problem with warmers is that they believe that we will all be punished collectively and here on Earth – hence the overwhelming need to rabidly convert everyone. As far as they are concerned, If, at the ‘end of days’, there is a single group around that is not seen to be ‘part of the solution’ then we will all be punished for their ‘sins’.
Dangerous belief system if you ask me. You are ‘one of us’ or you are ‘the enemy’.
I have a pet warmer (green party local activist) who fundamentally believes that the UK population should be around 2 million. I keep trying to pin him down on how we get there and what happens to the other 58 million but he refuses to get specific . I asked about hypothermia once people cannot afford to heat their homes and his answer to that one was that nature always seeks a balance.
A true believer. What is worse, I discovered that his main income comes out of local taxpayers via work for the local ‘green’ representative. Worse still his wife turns out to be a Primary School teacher (young pliable minds division). These people go way beyond dangerous.
Ray (14:33:38) :
Hey! That’s the Little Mermaid statue in Vancouver, BC!!!
The one in Vancouver has a wetsuit and diver’s mask on. Otherwise, they look similar.
Delay is preferable to error.
–Thomas Jefferson
Not according to Australia’s Prime Minister:
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2735998.htm
“It is time to remove any polite veneer from this debate.”
“The clock is ticking for the planet, but the climate change sceptics simply do not care.”
“By slowing the actions of each individual country, they [sceptics] aim to slowly drag global negotiations on climate change to a standstill.”
Trust me on this one – the UK is way beyond that. You could now expect a report if your child was found reading WUWT at school (no exaggeration) or found in possession of salt (no stretch either). Nanny has no bounds and no oversight.
What you get is an endless stream of taxpayer cash being handed to hundreds of NGO’s that then use it to back policy whilst gaining immunity to any kind of scrutiny (eg FOI request). Be it the ‘Carbon Trust’ with their drowning pets, our favourite the Met Office or the ACPO – all creepy ‘private’ companies funded entirely by government and completely immune to any kind of scrutiny. Help the party when required, keep your funding.
As to ‘nobody knows how to stop them now’ expect a big increase in votes to the radical end of the spectrum (see last UK EU results). Both at local and EU level. It’s not that we are all becoming radical it is just the only way we have left to shaft these people.
The EU looks more like Russia under Stalin every day, everything is in place only nobody wants to step up for the main job right now. Layer upon layer of un-elected, un-accountable functionaries, committees meeting in secret, no voting just a stream of proclamations. There is good reason for not giving the UK a referendum on anything EU. As things stand the result may just be ‘no to this’ but the longer we are kept in this state the more likely the vote will be ‘exit’. You can only silence people for so long.
Delay is preferable to error.
–Thomas Jefferson
By slowing the actions of the fast-talking panic-spreading hustlers, the people suddenly realize the sky isn’t burning and the seas boiling. Are these the people who made the nations tremble? Why, they’re not Gods after all. Look, they got it all wrong.
Dan (15:31:36) :
Dunno Dan. It’s really all about greed. And peoples’ pride. The leftist social communists saw an opportunity in the green movement right after the Wall came down. They figured, enviros are faithful, believers, ready to be indoctrinated. Let’s subvert from the green base. Sweet revenge!
But socialists, like capitalists (only less honest about it) love power. They sat in their basements and twiddled their Playstations and figured a plan to dominate the world! Dr. No couldn’t have twiddled better. Meanwhile, Maxwell Smart and Agent 99 were undertaking vast counter measures against Boris Badenov. They were not about to give up their cushy oil lubricated fiefdom held in place by burying breakthrough technology and manufacturing enemies out of turbans.
Pitted against each other and themselves is this gaggle of spies. The biggest loser? You. And just plain folks the world over. Why? So these pathological liars can keep their little castles and lord it over the monkeys. And, we haven’t even mentioned the space aliens who feed both sides tidbits of technology so they have some hilarious sitcom content.
But we digress. Good people are held captive by this stupefying display of immature selfishness. On all sides. Purportedly there are some in this debacle who claim to be “enlightened.” So far, we see only luminous paint on thinly disguised shadows. If this is what the universe portends – it is not worth pursuit. Heaven’s absolute worst assignment. Dam!
good knight.
Someone better warm the Maldives that there’s an Iceberg out looking for them.
3×2 (20:27:23) :
You wrote, “The EU looks more like Russia under Stalin every day”
That is Pravda’s view as well.
By Hans Vogel
Now that the Czech Republic has announced it will ratify the Lisbon Treaty, the EU will be even closer yet to becoming a unified monster state, with more than half a billion inhabitants. Inhabitants is the correct term, since “citizens” would indicate a set of political rights. The people living in the EU should rather be called “subjects,” since they have no influence whatsoever on the constitution of the centralized European government, the “European Commission.”
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/04-11-2009/110289-berlin_wall-0
(Pravda is Russian for Truth.)
Recently I’ve started questioning just what it is that some charities do. Previously I’d just assumed the money was being put to good use. Now if someone asks for monthly donations, I ask questions. There was a charity asking for money to help drug addicts. They were very enthusiastic about how much help they were giving the addicts, and how well it was working. I asked them, how many of the people you help, are still addicts two years later? (Two years is a ball park figure for knowing that the changes are working.) The charity guy had no idea. He kept insisting it worked. His colleague rang their supervisor. Whilst the guy was telling me what a great person the supervisor was, “a veggie and everything”, the colleague came back and said the supervisor didn’t know either, it wasn’t something the charity monitored. The guy insisted again that it worked great. I said, wouldn’t it be a really impressive statistic, to be able to print in your glossy brochure here which you’ve handed me, to show that after two years, 50% are still off drugs? Or even 10%? Heck if it was just 5% that would be 5% helped. The guy was incredulous. I waked off.
It isn’t that there are no victims in the world. The problem is whether anybody really knows how to help. Often what is needed isn’t more money, it is more knowledge.
One could be cynical and say that, if someone knew how to cure an addict, the addicts themselves would hire the person. But if you don’t know how to cure addicts, and nevertheless you want to be paid to cure addicts, then you go work for a charity.
India and China are sensible countries.
There are merminks in Copenhagen port that are not a Harbor. I always knows this.
Bloody mermink thieves.
It is always tough to make predictions for a fairly short period of time. Easy enough to claim something silly, like the moon will turn into a pumpkin or that that the World will be toasty warm in 90 years time. In 90 years time you ain’t going to be around to be accused of misleading people or taking money under false pretences.
But if you are predicting what’ll happen next month, then you have to either have a clue what you are talking about (so Piers Corbyn looks a much better bet than the MET Office) or you need to sprinkle plenty of get out clauses and weasel words in there. Or have somewhere nice to hide.
But despite this, having carefully gazed into my crystal ball, here is my prediction for the Copenhagen Conference:-
Firstly, it will be claimed by the UN, many “scientists” and politicians to be a famous victory (despite some inconvenient problems). After all, as Dunkirk is still remembered as a “famous victory” in the UK, there is a precedent for this kind of claim.
Certainly they will agree to something really lame, probably along the lines that “action will be taken to limit global temperatures to no more than 2ºC above 1998 levels by the turn of the Century.” This will be met with howls of outrage by the hard line Greenies and calls for Europe & the US to be Carbon Neutral by 2010, or something equally ludicrous.
But, behind the scenes, whilst all the razmataz is going on under the eyes of the ignorant and lazy media, real progress will be being made by our ‘leaders’ in working towards a World Eco-fascist super state.
Rome wasn’t built in a day and even the EU “project” has taken decades to get where it is now – and if the current undemocratic and breathtakingly incompetent state of affairs in the UK would have been thought absolutely fanciful if suggested 40 years ago – the project still isn’t complete as Jean Monnet envisaged it.
Whatever the outcome of the allegedly ‘scientific debate’ on AGW, there is absolutely no way those trans-national fascists will EVER give up.
Eventually, we are just going to have to find a way to stop them.
Exactly when did Gore’s book come out? This afternoon it was #32 at Amazon. I would have expected better from a Nobel prize and Oscar winner.
Best news I’ve heard all day.
ha ha ha
i say we sould stop littering and causing pollution to and think about our actions.