October, a time for great pumpkins, but not higher US temperatures this time around.
In our last climatic episode from NCDC we had: NOAA: September Temperature Above-Average for the U.S.
The average September temperature of 66.4 degrees F was 1.0 degree F above the 20th Century average.
This month’s NOAA climate press release hasn’t been issued yet, but it will be interesting to see what they say about it.
In the meantime, using the NCDC database, you can come to your own conclusion about what October 2009 was like and if it matches what the upcoming October climate press release will say.
Have a look at this:
Note the yellow highlighted area and the October 1901-2000 average:
October 2009 50.80 degF Rank 3
October 1901 – 2000 Average = 54.77 degF
That makes October 2009 in the USA almost 4 degrees F colder than the 20th century October average.
You can try the plotting and ranking web tool out yourself here.
So we can call October 2009:
The third coldest on record
The 111th warmest on record
It will be interesting to see what descriptors NOAA/NCDC uses when they issue their climate press release for October, which should be any day now.
h/t to WUWT reader “Crosspatch”
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RR Kampen (05:30:56) :
Johnny, most likely there was no such thing as a ‘Roman warm period’.
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If it wasn’t you who posted that RR, I might’ve thought it was someone having a laugh with a wind-up.
Why don’t you educate yourself with some peer-reviewed literature on the global aspects of the Roman Warm Period. Here’s a start:
http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/co2weekly/2005-06-09/roman.htm
Darn!!! We need to hurry if we’re gonna get the tax and trade pushed through. The peasants are starting to get wise to us!!!! Maybe Copenhagen can salvage the agenda!!!
Bill Derryberry…..can I use that?
Juraj V. (00:23:59) :
It is indisputable fact, that in US CO2 emissions cause Octobers cooling.
😮 It must the furnaces, fireplaces and woodstoves firing up!
Johnny Honda (03:57:16) : the Eco-Fascists deleted the Roman Warm Period, because it doesn’t fit with their view of the world!!! They have been working on this for a while, I saved this from a .gov science website in 2005, which no longer exists. It looks just like the typical climate reconstructions I’ve been looking at for the past 45 years, until the ‘need’ to change the past came up. http://i39.tinypic.com/35hkz1d.jpg
Check out http://www.co2science.org/. You should be able to find information there on the RWP. The tax records exist from the Romans in what is now southern England for the grape harvests back then, RWP. I wonder how much in tax is collected now for the grape harvest in G.B.?
Which brings up the issue of phonetics and the damnable English mix of languages that hopped a rat ride over here on the Mayflower! Make mine a “pinta” with a pinch of salt.
Lets suppose there were no such thing as the MWP, the RWP or the holocene optimum.
average temperatures would have been LIA. So this little ice age was no such thing. The last ice age never ended 18,000 years ago. It ended in 1850, in fits and starts, but only really began in 1979 and all those stories you hear about grape records in Yorshire, and norsemen in Greenland are made up by sceptics, who pre-empted the alarmists prior to Hansen’s testimony to congress. Sea levels only rose 120 metres from the 2nd part of the 20th century onwards. Until then, the whole northern hemisphere was under glaciation. Men in greenland farmed ice, and declined in population, not because of the onset of the LIA but because of boredom.
” Besides “a pint of Guinness” rolls off the tongue so much better than “a liter”!”
Make mine Boddington’s, and make that pint Imperial.”
Come on, Imperial is so un-PC! I believe our hosts here call it the English System rather than the Imperial.
And if you knew what you were talking about, it’d be a pint of Boddies 😉
Smokey (06:15:29)
The 2nd link – even i find that one to be incredible. It shows that since 1880-2006, the average global temperature has gone from 57F to58F, which is 1F
These are not based on anomalies but on actual measured temperatures?
John Trigge (23:50:23) :
“Here in South Australia they are predicting a record-breaking 5 days of 35C in October over the next week. No doubt this will be claimed as proof of AGW.
However, the current record of 4 consecutive days was set in 1894. This will hardly be mentioned and no-one will ask how the old record was set before we put all that nasty CO2 in the atmosphere”
On CLimate progress they claimed the Recent Georgia flooding on global warming. One river even reached the previous record level of 1919. I asked how that flood was explained and my post was deleted.
Odd that with such a cold October that the sea ice curve isn’t steeper. I’m just eye-balling it but the October curve actually appears flatter than previous years.
It looks like this was also the wettest October on record:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html
You could argue that temperatures have simply returned to ‘normal’…
http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-background-articles/2000-years-of-global-temperatures/
Andy W22:40:39:
” F is such a silly temperature scale.”
No it isn’t. Here in the UK 0 degrees F is about as cold as it ever gets, and 100 degrees F about as hot as it ever gets. (although there are records outside this) Having 100 degrees between these two normal maxima and minima makes more sense than a range of -18 to +38 for weather purposes, doesn’t it?
Sorry for being off topic
If you are a UK citizen (must be a uk citizen) … you can add your name to the ePetition that is being collected in opposition to the recent UK climate change advert ‘bedtime story’.
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/climate-ad/
Up to about 800 signatures
Not to turn this into a beer discussion, but perhaps Samuel Smith’s Winter Welcome would be appropriate.
Here in Central MN, the third coldest Oct., fifth wettest. Corn too wet for harvest, only that necessary for Ethanol contracts being dried with propane from around 40% water down to 15%.
We’re to have 4 or 5 dry, warm(for Nov.) days starting yesterday, hoping it helps.
Rollercoaster clime.
Quoting Andy:
“When are you guys over there going to drop F and go to C ? F is a silly temperature scale !”
Commenting:
When it’s 32° in the infernal reaches, I guess! Here’s how it came to be:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Gabriel_Fahrenheit
Re: Steve Keohane (06:49:43) :
The tax records exist from the Romans in what is now southern England for the grape harvests back then, RWP. I wonder how much in tax is collected now for the grape harvest in G.B.?
Never much, not then, not now.
Did you know the Brits grew wine in e.g. 1667, which would be middle of the ‘LIA’?
http://www.english-wine.com/index.html
If you chart an exact 100 years October1899 to October 2009 the trend is only 0.02F/decade. Extrapolating to 2050 would give us 0.08F i.e we’d meet the Copenhagen target of <2C or <3.6F without doing anything! Please tell the President, PM Brown and Angela Merkel.
The unemployment rate went up.
So fewer people drove to work.
Which means less CO2.
And made the temperature go down.
Q.E.D.
So high unemployment is good for us?
Make that two pints.
“When are you guys over there going to drop F and go to C ? F is a silly temperature scale !”
Kind of annoying too how they insist on speaking Japanese in Japan, rather than proper English, as an example, I can think of hundreds of others. Besides, converting the Canadian forecasts to Fahrenheit is good mental gymnastics. Kind of like doing sit-ups for the brain.
Jon Jewett (06:10:21) :
Besides “a pint of Guinness” rolls off the tongue so much better than “a liter”!
It’s just a pity they try to cram the pint of guinness and it’s creamy head into a 20oz pint glass.
P Wilson (07:12:32),
I couldn’t find the chart to support the one I posted. But in looking for it, I found some others that may be somewhat relative:
I believe the data in that chart has been smoothed. Otherwise the raw data would look something like this.
And this.
Then there’s the central England temps.
Here’s another view.
Here’s another long term chart.
And the Vostok data clearly shows periodic cyclical fluctuations in temperature.
Climatologist’s chart of the MWP.
Temps over the past century.
Chart from a previous WUWT article.
HadCRU’s adjusted data, vs random noise run through the same algorithm.
Michael Mann’s version vs reality.
Deconstruction of Briffa’s bogus Yamal paper.
The charts above all contradict Mann’s debunked hokey stick.
RR Kampen. From your own link…
“At the time of the compilation of the Domesday Survey in the late eleventh century, vineyards were recorded in 46 places in southern England, from East Anglia through to modern-day Somerset. By the time King Henry VIII ascended the throne there were 139 sizeable vineyards in England and Wales – 11 of them owned by the Crown, 67 by noble families and 52 by the church. It is not exactly clear why the number of vineyards declined subsequently. Some have put it down to an adverse change in the weather which made an uncertain enterprise even more problematic.”
Surely these are reverse thermometers, no?
(and don’t call me Shirley)
Kampen is going to “de-politicize” the conversation by bringing in a link from the Guardian about Exxon Mobil. Good one Dutchy.
Have you noticed that the polls are going the wrong way for you alarmists? A more sensible set of people might conclude that their tactics aren’t working, and change them. For instance, they might actually respond to questions and arguments with answers and counter arguments. Through this means, if the right is on their side, they would make something called “progress”. Instead, we have demonization of the “great satan”, the oil companies. K\\