Reposted from comments on the new Urban Future thread here
Originally from the blog Fightin’ Words
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Above: Obama’s last visit to Copenhagen didn’t work out so well for the USA.
The Minnesota Free Market Institute hosted an event at Bethel University in St. Paul on Wednesday evening. Keynote speaker Lord Christopher Monckton, former science adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, gave a scathing and lengthy presentation, complete with detailed charts, graphs, facts, and figures which culminated in the utter decimation of both the pop culture concept of global warming and the credible threat of any significant anthropomorphic climate change.
A detailed summary of Monckton’s presentation will be available here once compiled. However, a segment of his remarks justify immediate publication. If credible, the concern Monckton speaks to may well prove the single most important issue facing the American nation, bigger than health care, bigger than cap and trade, and worth every citizen’s focused attention.
Here were Monckton’s closing remarks, as dictated from my audio recording:
At [the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference in] Copenhagen, this December, weeks away, a treaty will be signed. Your president will sign it. Most of the third world countries will sign it, because they think they’re going to get money out of it. Most of the left-wing regime from the European Union will rubber stamp it. Virtually nobody won’t sign it.
I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” – because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.
How many of you think that the word “election” or “democracy” or “vote” or “ballot” occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty? Quite right, it doesn’t appear once. So, at last, the communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement, who took over Greenpeace so that my friends who funded it left within a year, because [the communists] captured it – Now the apotheosis as at hand. They are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view. He’s going to sign it. He’ll sign anything. He’s a Nobel Peace Prize [winner]; of course he’ll sign it.
[laughter]
And the trouble is this; if that treaty is signed, if your Constitution says that it takes precedence over your Constitution (sic), and you can’t resign from that treaty unless you get agreement from all the other state parties – And because you’ll be the biggest paying country, they’re not going to let you out of it.
So, thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom to the world. It is a privilege merely to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free. But, in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your humanity away forever. And neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power whatsoever to take it back. That is how serious it is. I’ve read the treaty. I’ve seen this stuff about [world] government and climate debt and enforcement. They are going to do this to you whether you like it or not.
But I think it is here, here in your great nation, which I so love and I so admire – it is here that perhaps, at this eleventh hour, at the fifty-ninth minute and fifty-ninth second, you will rise up and you will stop your president from signing that dreadful treaty, that purposeless treaty. For there is no problem with climate and, even if there were, an economic treaty does nothing to [help] it.
So I end by saying to you the words that Winston Churchill addressed to your president in the darkest hour before the dawn of freedom in the Second World War. He quoted from your great poet Longfellow:
Sail on, O Ship of State!
Sail on, O Union, strong and great!
Humanity with all its fears,
With all the hopes of future years,
Is hanging breathless on thy fate!

Lord Monckton received a standing ovation and took a series of questions from members of the audience. Among those questions were these relevent to the forthcoming Copenhagen treaty:
Question: The current administration and the Democratic majority in Congress has shown little regard for the will of the people. They’re trying to pass a serious government agenda, and serious taxation and burdens on future generations. And there seems to be little to stop them. How do you propose we stop Obama from doing this, because I see no way to stop him from signing anything in Copenhagen. I believe that’s his agenda and he’ll do it.
I don’t minimize the difficulty. But on this subject – I don’t really do politics, because it’s not right. In the end, your politics is for you. The correct procedure is for you to get onto your representatives, both in the US Senate where the bill has yet to go through (you can try and stop that) and in [the House], and get them to demand their right of audience (which they all have) with the president and tell him about this treaty. There are many very powerful people in this room, wealthy people, influential people. Get onto the media, tell them about this treaty. If they go to www.wattsupwiththat.com, they will find (if they look carefully enough) a copy of that treaty, because I arranged for it to be posted there not so long ago. Let them read it, and let the press tell the people that their democracy is about to be taken away for no good purpose, at least [with] no scientific basis [in reference to climate change]. Tell the press to say this. Tell the press to say that, even if there is a problem [with climate change], you don’t want your democracy taken away. It really is as simple as that.
[Update: this section on a question from an attendee to the presentation has been removed from this WUWT article because even though Monckton clearly refuted it, it is turning into a debate over presidential eligibility that I don’t want at WUWT. If you want to see it and discuss it. Do it at the original blog entry Fightin’ Words – Anthony]
Regardless of whether global warming is taking place or caused to any degree by human activity, we do not want a global government empowered to tax Americans without elected representation or anything analogous to constitutional protections. The Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew their progeny allowed a foreign power such authority, effectively undoing their every effort in an act of Anti-American Revolution. If that is our imminent course, we need to put all else on hold and focus on stopping it. If American sovereignty is ceded, all other debate is irrelevant.
Edited to add @ 8:31 am:
Skimming through the treaty, I came across verification of Monckton’s assessment of the new entity’s purpose:
38. The scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism, and the basic organization of which will include the following:
World Government (heading added)
a) The government will be ruled by the COP with the support of a new subsidiary body on adaptation, and of an Executive Board responsible for the management of the new funds and the related facilitative processes and bodies. The current Convention secretariat will operate as such, as appropriate.
To Redistribute Wealth (heading added)
b) The Convention’s financial mechanism will include a multilateral climate change fund including five windows: (a) an Adaptation window, (b) a Compensation window, to address loss and damage from climate change impacts [read: the “climate debt” Monckton refers to], including insurance, rehabilitation and compensatory components, © a Technology window; (d) a Mitigation window; and (e) a REDD window, to support a multi-phases process for positive forest incentives relating to REDD actions.
With Enforcement Authority (heading added)
c) The Convention’s facilitative mechanism will include: (a) work programmes for adaptation and mitigation; (b) a long-term REDD process; © a short-term technology action plan; (d) an expert group on adaptation established by the subsidiary body on adaptation, and expert groups on mitigation, technologies and on monitoring, reporting and verification; and (e) an international registry for the monitoring, reporting and verification of compliance of emission reduction commitments, and the transfer of technical and financial resources from developed countries to developing countries. The secretariat will provide technical and administrative support, including a new centre for information exchange [read; enforcement].
UPDATE: Thanks to WUWT reader “Michael” who post the URL on another unrelated thread, we now have video of Lord Monckton’s presentation:
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Here is the U.S. treaty-making process in great detail:
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm
I am not sure what Monckton is referring to, when he says “simple majority of both houses.” Any Constitutional scholars out there?
The reference Monckton made to passing the treaty using majorities in both the House and Senate does have some legitimate standing and history. If a country wanted to become part of the US, it would theoretically require a treaty signed between that country and the US to be accomplished. However, an indpendent country (Texas) became a part of the US through a joint resolution requiring only a majority of both the House and Senate. The courts have upheld the legitimacy of the method used – witness Texas still being a state in the US.
On the other hand, history is littered with broken treaties and at least one ignored Supreme Court ruling.
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Moncton makes a serious claim.
Also look at Chapter 21 of the United Nations (already signed by most countries)
The Climate Treaty and Chapter 21 are connected.
To understand more about what’s going on right now, her is the Chapter 21 UN site:
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/
Also have a look at http://green-agenda.com
Pleae connect the dots and ak yourself why massive amounts of capital are heading east from Europe and the USA.
The roll out of the plan is well underway and it won’t take long before human kind is treated like endangered species, well tugged away in big cities with a breeding program (read birth control) and all, but without civil rights and freedom.
This is serious so treat it that way.
http://minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/2009/10/watch-climate-chains-here.html
Also watch the new movie Climate Chains which you can watch here:
Don´t tell me now that we are not living in interesting times….:-)
Why do these kind of “changing times” are coincidental with changing climates..
Far ahead in the future there will appear scholars studying these changes and relating them to different causes…and perhaps discussing them in a blog like WUWT….who knows!
OT re Briffa: did you see this in the Register? Picks up nicely from the WUWT threads…
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/16/briffa_yamal_mailbag/
h/t Jeff Id
http://www.climatechains.com/view-film.html
Monckton may not be right about Obama’s unilateral ability to take the US into the Copenhagen Treaty, but he is chillingly correct in his analysis of what is happening in Europe. The EU – a totally non-democratic body that is in the process of becoming the United States of Europe – is bludgeoining its vassal states into adopting suicidal climate change policies and the people of Europe have no option but to accept. All along, the EU has been the main international driver in the formulation and supine acceptance of AGW measures, including Koyoto, and it is still in the driving seat. The rest of the world, including Obama, is being dragged along in the slipstream.
SNIP, sorry, this section on a question from an attendee to the presentation has been removed from this WUWT article because even though Monckton clearly refuted it, it is turning into a debate over presidential eligibility that I don’t want at WUWT. If you want to see it and discuss it. Do it at the original blog entry Fightin’ Words – Anthony
SNIP, sorry, this section on a question from an attendee to the presentation has been removed from this WUWT article because even though Monckton clearly refuted it, it is turning into a debate over presidential eligibility that I don’t want at WUWT. If you want to see it and discuss it. Do it at the original blog entry Fightin’ Words – Anthony
If any American is naive enough to believe that the WON will not sign such a treaty, if in fact this is on the up and up, you are beyond stupid. This so called leader is not a leader, he is not a President, he is a follower of his Regime and of Muslim dictates. He is also little more than a rhetorical wonder and even then, he misues words for definition correction, he misues English language skills, such as “I haven’t got,” and this guy is smart..come on now!
It is time for impeachment and he has done many acts that are impeachable, from treason to not thinking kindly, acting kindly in the best interest of the nation and its constiuents. Call your Congressmen/women and demand impeachment proceedings start and start now before he completely takes us out of being Americans and some freedoms that are left into oligarchy and/or Communisim at its finest……………….
Obama only looks at the Constitution as a temporary speed bump……
SNIP, sorry, this section on a question from an attendee to the presentation has been removed from this WUWT article because even though Monckton clearly refuted it, it is turning into a debate over presidential eligibility that I don’t want at WUWT. If you want to see it and discuss it. Do it at the original blog entry Fightin’ Words – Anthony
“The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.”
Internationalists are working overtime now in our court systems. They appeal to laws from other nations in their decisions. Alarmingly, The UN Convention on the Rights of a Child, signed but not ratified, has also been cited in court decisions as a common international law.
The checks and balances are now in critical condition as judges are not impeached.
Please try not to fool yourself about the nature of this Leviathon.
Another thought, perhaps benign, but worth posting.
We have Botox Pelosi, power hungry, greedy, multi-millionaire female that will vote for anything that will get her name in “lights.” We have Reid, who, essentially, must be off balance wanting to go out like a “lightning rod,” hence, both will push this if it comes to that and get to to the WON for signing for which he will and zip, there goes the nation. Then we have the WON, as posted previously, that thinks he is God, envisions himself asthe leader of the whole world and in reality is little more than the Chicago thug that he was as a Senator.
If anyone is interested, you will find a wonderful expose’ in the book EXPOSED. It is well researched so you can draw your own opinions, research their research, etc. if you prefer. If you like living in America and being an American and you want freedom, then you will likely develop a headache, stomach ache and perhaps even need to vomit at what is coming down the road for us. Nevertheless, if you know something, you can fight it and get others to fight it also.
Please, please, all of you posting, we have a vital threat to our country even if this piece of journalism is off base. Our morals have divided this nation, now weakened, we are somewhat at the beck and call of every other country that would like to see us fail and no one wants to see that more than countries like Norway, the EU for their own political and selfish purposes.
[SNIP – a bit over the top, please tone it down, policy issues – Anthony]
Suggest you also study and hopefully join Goooh (get out of our house), and help work toward saving this nation..the larger this group gets, the better chance we have of doing some good for all.
Folks, please let’s take the questions of presidential eligibility elsewhere. I thought Monckton refuted the question posed to him well enough in the context. But even so it has now turned into a debate of the kind I don’t want at WUWT. So I’ve removed that from the WUWT article. While I realize some might want to discuss this issue, please do it at the original blog Fightin’ Words
http://fightinwordsusa.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/obama-poised-to-cede-us-soverignty-claims-british-lord/
– Anthony
There’s a couple of things in that Treaty.
1.) The mention of a Secretariat (sounds highly Marxist)
2.) REDD’s – could not find the definition in the paper
3.) Work camps
The rest of the paper is pretty straightforward: All the technology and money is to flow to someplace other than the US. Tells me we will have NO recovery here, as none is planned ($787B in the Stimulus is going bye-bye).
Re. the UN and A21, for myself I have no objection to global cooperation and helping the poor, I just don’t see how they can make it work.
The world is very big, very old, and very fragmented.
Any concerted effort to push things around will suffer the law of unintended consequences.
People assert that “we have to do something”. Well, six billion people are already doing something–living their lives–and anyone who believes they can shape this whole thing to their own vision is sorely deluded.
“It looks like freedom is dimming along with the Sun.”
The proud, who govern, think they’ve won.
They’ve made our science come undone.
They’ve put our offspring in a hole.
Have they assassinated Sol?
Will his face with sunspots fill,
Or will his storms begin to still,
Will minimum now bring the chill
That springs the brutal ice age kill?
The sun has drifted off to sleep.
He cares not if we pray or weep.
He’s shut his eyes in slumber deep.
Life’s promise now is ours to keep.
Anthony, I do apologize, I posted my comment before realizing the Snippage was happening.
However, I did want to make the observation that the entire politicization of cAGW is not about science vs non-science, and it’s not about left vs right. We are seeing the age-old debate between emotion and logic. If clever people want to frame their debate in other terms, we all have to be aware of it.
Emotion says cAGW is real, it’s happening, it’s bad, people are being displaced, huger, starvation, danger… disease, and the poor innocent children are the victims. The only way to fix it is by radically altering our entire civilization.
Logic says cAGW is poppycock, it’s merely an excuse for other political goals to be achieved, the science has already been thoroughly discredited, and there is no reason to “do” anything.
If you want to frame this as left vs right, go ahead. My side will win out, eventually.
The only thing “worse than we imagined” is the depth of depravity being demonstrated by the “side” that thinks they are winning. However, when the backlash comes (and it will), it will be vicious and it will decimate those who have been pushing this stuff. I just hope we see it soon.
I’m glad Monckton has put this observation out there. You can NOT rely on the rule of law to protect you from well-intentioned people. There are far too many examples in history to ignore, and we all know what happens to those who fail to learn from history.
Thanks for the post Anthony, and the link to the treaty proposal I agree this has nothing to do with presidential eligibility.
I’ve spent he morning reading the treaty and it’s every single bit as bad as Monkton says.
My take on it is here:
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/all-governments-are-created-equal/
Mike Bryant (09:51:08) : Beautiful!. You are a poet indeed.
Anthony –
I have no problems with you removing the materials from the article in question and the comments – in fact, I welcome it. I recognize that I am in a small minority at this website with regards to my political affiliations. And, trust me, I am in an even smaller minority when I question AGW orthodoxy at other websites.
But, if this website is to focus primarily on issues of climate – and, specifically, on rigorous verification of climate change research findings, then it would be to the benefit of those skeptical of AGW to have a site which is not entirely exclusionary of those from the political left.
REPLY: It was my mistake for not realizing that even though the issue had been refuted by Monckton in his response, somebody would take up the torch again here. If you’ll go through comments on other WUWT threads, you’ll notice that there are a number of entries from what I would label (as you have) the Political Left. I welcome all discussion, provided they aren’t done in a hostile or 4 letter derogatory way. That being said, some of the worst comments that are either just too hateful or inflammatory, that add nothing material to the discussion, don’t get posted, or get posted with snips. Like all blog operators, I’m human, with human failings. Even so, I think we have a better track records here of posting alternate viewpoints than RC, “Open Mind”, or Climate Progress. WUWT’s traffic certainly beats all of those so I must be doing something right. – Anthony
Don’t write Monckton off as a paranoid basket case. Listen to what he is saying and do your own homework.
This all started after the first world war when the ‘old money’ bankers decided that the only way they could secure their families future was by the imposing World a Government.
The first steps put in place to achieve this goal were the formation of the Institute of International Affairs in UK and USA. Funded by ‘old money’ these organisations gathered the brightest brains together to resolve the issues which would prevent the formation of a World Government. Following the World War II, implementation the plan was accelerated and the what is now the G8 group of leading politicians were brought on board. This has been widened to bring in other major players on the world stage under the auspices of the Bilderberg Group, again funded by ‘old money’.
Both organisations (now known as Chatham House (UK), and Council on Foreign Relations (USA) continue to provide the brains behind this intended coup-de-tat. The plan is in it’s final phase of implementation and once the ‘Copenhagen Protocol’ is in place the rest will follow quickly to minimise any possible local resistance, which is expected will come mainly from citizens (and States) within the USA.
Just ‘Google’ the above organisations to find out more, and as in all things ‘follow the money’.
The $1m question is “Should we be willing to give up our individual freedoms to ensure that WWIII will never happen?
Hoi Polloi (06:03:11) :
I’m an AGW skeptic, but I hesitate to use the Lord Mockton for reference as the AGW should refrain from using Al Bore. These people do the case more harm than good. I put Monckton in the same class as Monbiot, politcal activist. I rather refer to scientist like McIntyre, Pielke or Spencer. The less attention to Monckton the better for our case.
Lord Monckton may not be the statistician genius McIntyre is, nor have the scientific acumen of Spencer, Pielke, or McIntyre….but he is no Al Gore, either.
He is a far cut above Al Gore so your comparison is not valid.
Even if he is going overboard with some of what he is alleging here, it pays to listen to the meat of what he is saying.
I think we, with good reason, should beware this Copenhagen Treaty and it takes a whistleblower like him, with his breadth of knowledge and powerful oratorial skills, to sound the alarm to the world.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Treaties require a two-thirds vote of the Senate.
REPLY: Recall that Gore signed Kyoto, without such vote. – Anthony