Reposted from comments on the new Urban Future thread here
Originally from the blog Fightin’ Words
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Above: Obama’s last visit to Copenhagen didn’t work out so well for the USA.
The Minnesota Free Market Institute hosted an event at Bethel University in St. Paul on Wednesday evening. Keynote speaker Lord Christopher Monckton, former science adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, gave a scathing and lengthy presentation, complete with detailed charts, graphs, facts, and figures which culminated in the utter decimation of both the pop culture concept of global warming and the credible threat of any significant anthropomorphic climate change.
A detailed summary of Monckton’s presentation will be available here once compiled. However, a segment of his remarks justify immediate publication. If credible, the concern Monckton speaks to may well prove the single most important issue facing the American nation, bigger than health care, bigger than cap and trade, and worth every citizen’s focused attention.
Here were Monckton’s closing remarks, as dictated from my audio recording:
At [the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference in] Copenhagen, this December, weeks away, a treaty will be signed. Your president will sign it. Most of the third world countries will sign it, because they think they’re going to get money out of it. Most of the left-wing regime from the European Union will rubber stamp it. Virtually nobody won’t sign it.
I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” – because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.
How many of you think that the word “election” or “democracy” or “vote” or “ballot” occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty? Quite right, it doesn’t appear once. So, at last, the communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement, who took over Greenpeace so that my friends who funded it left within a year, because [the communists] captured it – Now the apotheosis as at hand. They are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view. He’s going to sign it. He’ll sign anything. He’s a Nobel Peace Prize [winner]; of course he’ll sign it.
[laughter]
And the trouble is this; if that treaty is signed, if your Constitution says that it takes precedence over your Constitution (sic), and you can’t resign from that treaty unless you get agreement from all the other state parties – And because you’ll be the biggest paying country, they’re not going to let you out of it.
So, thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom to the world. It is a privilege merely to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free. But, in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your humanity away forever. And neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power whatsoever to take it back. That is how serious it is. I’ve read the treaty. I’ve seen this stuff about [world] government and climate debt and enforcement. They are going to do this to you whether you like it or not.
But I think it is here, here in your great nation, which I so love and I so admire – it is here that perhaps, at this eleventh hour, at the fifty-ninth minute and fifty-ninth second, you will rise up and you will stop your president from signing that dreadful treaty, that purposeless treaty. For there is no problem with climate and, even if there were, an economic treaty does nothing to [help] it.
So I end by saying to you the words that Winston Churchill addressed to your president in the darkest hour before the dawn of freedom in the Second World War. He quoted from your great poet Longfellow:
Sail on, O Ship of State!
Sail on, O Union, strong and great!
Humanity with all its fears,
With all the hopes of future years,
Is hanging breathless on thy fate!
Lord Monckton received a standing ovation and took a series of questions from members of the audience. Among those questions were these relevent to the forthcoming Copenhagen treaty:
Question: The current administration and the Democratic majority in Congress has shown little regard for the will of the people. They’re trying to pass a serious government agenda, and serious taxation and burdens on future generations. And there seems to be little to stop them. How do you propose we stop Obama from doing this, because I see no way to stop him from signing anything in Copenhagen. I believe that’s his agenda and he’ll do it.
I don’t minimize the difficulty. But on this subject – I don’t really do politics, because it’s not right. In the end, your politics is for you. The correct procedure is for you to get onto your representatives, both in the US Senate where the bill has yet to go through (you can try and stop that) and in [the House], and get them to demand their right of audience (which they all have) with the president and tell him about this treaty. There are many very powerful people in this room, wealthy people, influential people. Get onto the media, tell them about this treaty. If they go to www.wattsupwiththat.com, they will find (if they look carefully enough) a copy of that treaty, because I arranged for it to be posted there not so long ago. Let them read it, and let the press tell the people that their democracy is about to be taken away for no good purpose, at least [with] no scientific basis [in reference to climate change]. Tell the press to say this. Tell the press to say that, even if there is a problem [with climate change], you don’t want your democracy taken away. It really is as simple as that.
[Update: this section on a question from an attendee to the presentation has been removed from this WUWT article because even though Monckton clearly refuted it, it is turning into a debate over presidential eligibility that I don’t want at WUWT. If you want to see it and discuss it. Do it at the original blog entry Fightin’ Words – Anthony]
Regardless of whether global warming is taking place or caused to any degree by human activity, we do not want a global government empowered to tax Americans without elected representation or anything analogous to constitutional protections. The Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew their progeny allowed a foreign power such authority, effectively undoing their every effort in an act of Anti-American Revolution. If that is our imminent course, we need to put all else on hold and focus on stopping it. If American sovereignty is ceded, all other debate is irrelevant.
Edited to add @ 8:31 am:
Skimming through the treaty, I came across verification of Monckton’s assessment of the new entity’s purpose:
38. The scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism, and the basic organization of which will include the following:
World Government (heading added)
a) The government will be ruled by the COP with the support of a new subsidiary body on adaptation, and of an Executive Board responsible for the management of the new funds and the related facilitative processes and bodies. The current Convention secretariat will operate as such, as appropriate.
To Redistribute Wealth (heading added)
b) The Convention’s financial mechanism will include a multilateral climate change fund including five windows: (a) an Adaptation window, (b) a Compensation window, to address loss and damage from climate change impacts [read: the “climate debt” Monckton refers to], including insurance, rehabilitation and compensatory components, © a Technology window; (d) a Mitigation window; and (e) a REDD window, to support a multi-phases process for positive forest incentives relating to REDD actions.
With Enforcement Authority (heading added)
c) The Convention’s facilitative mechanism will include: (a) work programmes for adaptation and mitigation; (b) a long-term REDD process; © a short-term technology action plan; (d) an expert group on adaptation established by the subsidiary body on adaptation, and expert groups on mitigation, technologies and on monitoring, reporting and verification; and (e) an international registry for the monitoring, reporting and verification of compliance of emission reduction commitments, and the transfer of technical and financial resources from developed countries to developing countries. The secretariat will provide technical and administrative support, including a new centre for information exchange [read; enforcement].
UPDATE: Thanks to WUWT reader “Michael” who post the URL on another unrelated thread, we now have video of Lord Monckton’s presentation:
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Now is the time for the citizens of these United States to defend the Constitution that was writ with the blood and lost lives of our forefathers. It is amazing to dismiss our roots as flawed and therefore poisoning our country to this day. I see the current leadership today, and do not find anyone worthy to carry George Washington’s coat, or be known as “the father of our country”. We will not stand for the trampling of our constitutional rights by our own inept elected officials.
The carbon dioxide Taliban are still raving. Notice how they call it “carbon” because they can’t manage the whole phrase “carbon dioxide”.
The Telegraph reports today Ed Miliband, the Energy and Climate Change Secretary (who needs to save his job in the face of scientific facts) declaring “President Obama must personally intervene to ensure the world reaches an ambitous deal to stop catastrophic global warming”.
Read all about it here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6346833/President-Obama-must-come-to-Copenhagen-to-save-climate-change-talks-says-Ed-Miliband.html
In the UK, we call him “milliamp” because of his constant attempts to destroy most of our power generating industry.
“Mr Miliband, the UK Energy and Climate Change Secretary, said it would help if world leaders attend the conference to ensure all countries take action on cutting carbon emissions.
Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister, has already pledged to attend and President Obama is likely to be in the area having picked up his Nobel Peace Prize at around the same time.
Mr Miliband pointed out that the key decision to keep temperature rise below 2 degrees C (3.6 degrees F), at the G8 Summit in July, only happened because it was pushed by world leaders rather than just negotiators.”
…So there you have it. Gordon Brown has assumed God-like powers to decide what global temperatures will be allowed to do; and this from a man who can’t control his Cabinet, his backbench MPs, or make any corrupt MPs repay the money they embezzled from British taxpayers.
“Mr Miliband said the Government was “determined to throw everything” at getting a successful deal.
“The day will concentrate minds, the MEF is bringing pieces together. We are throwing everything at it. We are determined to get a deal at Copenhagen. Rich countries must agree to legally binding mid-term targets to cut carbon emissions. At the moment this will be in the range of 25 and 40 per cent by 2020. This will be particularly difficult for the US where the President Obama is struggling to get through the necessary legislation.”
…Notice also that there is no comment box on that page.
Dave vs Hal: Being “green” and being an environmentalist are two completely different things. Being “green” actually often runs counter to, and runs roughshod over true environmental concerns. I would re-think your “green” claims if I were you.
Quick analysis of Monkton, can he be trusted?:
0 K being absolute zero,
Oxygen is ice below 54.36 K
Nitrogen is ice below 63.15 K
CO2 is ice below 194.65 K
Which of these three gasses is the LEAST POWERFUL absorber of heat?
Answer: CO2 by a long way. N and O are both four times more powerful at absorbing heat than CO2.
Oxygen and Nitrogen together make up 99% of the atmosphere.
CO2 makes up only 0.03811%.
How much will CO2 influence atmospheric temperature compared to Oxygen and Nitrogen combined?
Answer: Compared with N and O the influence of CO2 on atmospheric temperatures at these levels is totally insignificant. In other words CO2 has no baring on atmospheric temperature worth talking about.
Do you think Monkton is ignorant of these facts?
Answer: Of course not.
Monkton has danced a merry dance around these simple truths which if he had addressed from the start would have sunk this AGW fraud many years ago.
Conclusion: Monkton is a New World Order Gatekeeper.
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DGallagher (16:47:18) :
smrstrauss (10:27:03) :
Treaties require a two-thirds vote of the Senate.
REPLY: Recall that Gore signed Kyoto, without such vote. – Anthony
Kyoto was never even submitted to the Senate for ratification, President Clinton was too smart to bang his head against wall. President Obama knows that the Copenhagen treaty is very unlikely to be ratified, the adminstration is trying to come up with some terminology like “international commitment” that would allow him to implement the agreement without the formality of treaty ratification, based just on his signature. He’s going to try an end run.
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Here is a possible course of action of a “left” end run: An Executive Agreement doesnt have to be made known and may only last while that president is in office.
Those of you who think Monckton is exagerating, need to reflect on the fact that measured against the millenia of human history, democracy has been but a fleeting interlude, an aberration, if you like. The one thing history teaches us is that the natural state of society has been totalitarianism, and it is towards totalitarianism that the organs of the state are continually drawn. It is only the vigilance of the people, and the resolve of some exceptional statesmen (Churchill comes to mind) that prevents this inward contraction. This dialectic of opposing forces is constant and the result is expressed in the degree of personal freedoms that each enjoys, or not.
Therefore, whether the minutiae of Monckton’s analysis is correct or not, does not matter. It is a simple truth, the darker side of civilization, the side we thought (if we think at all) that we had banished to the dustbin of history for ever. But are we really that unique those of us blessed to be living in the era of democracy? Do we really believe that having reached the sunny uplands we can never agains loose our way? Maybe we have all grown too complacent.
Those who believe that totalitarianism can never return, are blinded by the pre-conceived notion of what they imagine totalitarianism to be. The one incredible property it has is its ability to morph and adapt to fit the host society.
The totalitariansim of the Soviet’s was harsh and brutal, because that was the nature of the society it took over – very few questioned it. American totalitariansim would be very different. Individuals would be tools for consumption, kept docile with crass entertainment. In the UK, I foresee a society controlled by a myriad of pointless rules and regulations, where each daily task, such as disposing of garbage, washing the car or watching tv would have some regulation attached, piously enforced by a vast army of environmental police. As befits the UK profile, sanctions for non compliance would be financial, not custodial.
One can muse all day about how each nation would look under totalitarianism, but so chameleon will it be, that it may scarce be recognised for what it is.
“That was the theory. In practice, the Federal Government has taken over so many aspects of governence, that the States have had most of their power “stolen”. Many of these changes initially took place in the FDR’s New deal. Now almost anything qualifies as interstate commerce and it is very rare that the Supreme Court steps in and tells Congress that they don’t have authority to do whatever they want.” ~DGallagher (19:50:57)
Illuminating post–I do appreciate the sound of a lonely Federalist howling at the moon as much as anyone. 🙂
You are probably following the story, but some may not know that more than 10 governors have signed resolutions affirming their 10th amendment rights (including former Gov. Palin AK, Gov. Perry TX and a Dem from TN), and have let the Administration know that bailouts, healthcare reform, and cap and trade are a massive Federal overreach of power not given to it in the Constitution.
Cheers! Zeke the Sneak
As for treaties being the supreme law of the land, which Lord Monckton mentioned in his speech, I want to give an example of my legal question.
In the UN Convention on the Rights of a Child, it is stated that children should never have access to a gun. This conflicts with our own 2nd Amendment which guarantees citizens the right to keep and bear arms. The treaty should not trump the Constitution in that case based on the Supreme Court decision Reid v Covert 1957.
However, the same UNCRC also grants that all children must be educated in a manner consistent with the UN’s standards, and it gives the state the final authority to act in what is the “best interest of the child.” There is no actual language in the Constitution which discusses the right of parents to direct the upbringing of their own children. This has court precedent and is also decided at the state level. Therefore, I believe that the UN Convention on the Rights of a Child could trump state laws and the right of parents to direct the education of their own children is threatened.
This video produced by George Hunt exposes how the progenitors of the hijacked environmental movement, people like Maurice Strong, the Rothschild family and David Rockefeller, always intended the scam to achieve global population reduction along with a global carbon tax based on a cap and trade system controlled by them.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6642758020554799808#
Some of the video in this clip is choppy, but the audio is fine.
Careful, Big Brother is watching. And busting a gut.
Blondie posted an opinion that Americans got what they deserved in the last election because the American people “voted” Obama in office. Who is kidding whom? None of my conservative friends liked McCain. McCain is a flaming liberal anyway. The New World Order already decides who is going to be nominated and stacks the deck. Its like professional wrestling in the States. Its all pre-planned. The match is no real contest, its all a show. Same for elections in the USA. Obama was supposed to win! Every black person I know proudly voted for Obama because he was a black man and for NO other reason. Racist or not? If I had voted for McCain and Palin just because they were white and bragged about it…I would be called a bloody racist! Meanwhile, I can think of many other black people I would vote for President, starting with Condie Rice, Alan Keyes, and David Chappell. Right now it appears as Communism has won the day with the election of Obama. Gee, and he may not even have been born a US citizen. Amazing what communists can accomplish with help of the American Left Media. NBC, CBS, ABC, the New York Times, etc. et al.
Charles: “You post about the possibility of Barack Obama being JKF’s illegitimate love-child and expect a free ride?”
You’ve already given a free ride to one poster to question Obama’s paternity. Now we’re just quibbling over the suspect.
And the trouble is this; if that treaty is signed, if your Constitution says that it takes precedence over your Constitution (sic), and you can’t resign from that treaty unless you get agreement from all the other state parties – And because you’ll be the biggest paying country, they’re not going to let you out of it.
Since it is signed by only one person, albeit the president, it won’t carry enough weight for the average American to pay attention to its powers. The average Amrican will still rather abide t=by the Constitution of the U.S. and not this paper signed in a foreign country without their knowledge. The president is a servant not a dictator.
I don’t think Barak Obama, or George Bush, or any other single man can override “We the people…”.
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But, in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your humanity away forever. And neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power whatsoever to take it back.
I have a huge amount of respect for you Lord Monckton, and I am so happy for what you do about global warming, but I’m going to have to disagree with you. The U.S. has not paid any attention to the law of the UN in the past. This single paper won’t carry any authority in the minds of Americans either. There is no reason, whatsoever, for Americans to fear this document.
I heard an interesting description of Barak Obama. It said that he is not anti-American. Rather, he is post-American. He acts as if American sovereignty is already gone and the world is a post-American world.
But I think not all Americans will want to go along with that.
“History is often not kind to those who rush it.”
But, in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your humanity away forever.
Papers are signed and then not adhered to all the time. This one will not even be known about, let alone not adhered to.
forgive me if I’m wrong, but in 2005 George Bush signed an agreement to turn us into the North American Union in something like 2010, didn’t he? which would erase our boarders? which in turn could void our constitution?
Would it not be treason for the President to hand over the country to a foreign power?
If the Senate ratified it (diabolical 17th Amendment) would not the States have a right to re-form the Union, and the federal regulars the duty to uphold their oath to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic?
Mmmm, no.
I read somewhere Civil War can be bad for the economy.
Just vote the bums out.
I just skimmed through this comment-thread, and I have yet to see anyone address one very real point:
There is no Copenhagen Treaty yet..
There is a draft of a treaty. There is a “blueprint” of a treaty. There are a whole lot of NGOs and other lefties spazzing out over what they hope will be in the treaty. But there is no actual treaty yet. It’s entirely possible — in fact, it’s quite likely — that there never will be.
Yes, write your senators and congressmen. Yes, prepare now to fight whatever monstrosity does come out of the Copenhagen conference. But it is not a done deal yet. To act like it is a done deal will do you no good if in fact the conference collapses, as I expect it to do.
DINO (14:06:56) :
You appear to have read Captains and the Kings, by Taylor Caldwell.
Americans vote for the candidates, but who chooses the candidates?
I have now watched the full presentation. I already held Lord Monckton in very high esteem and this has now been increased exponentially. The discussion here has tended to fix on the final few minutes but, in an extremely accessible (I am no scientist), amusing and even lighthearted manner he, point by point, substantiated point by point, took the whole AGW argument apart, exposing it for the baseless falsehood it is. It was simply amazing and should be required viewing for anyone interested in the facts.
No wonder he is so reviled by the warmists, with even some here imbibing their bile. He shows them up the charlatans they are.
Brendan H (15:42:06)
That wasn’t me who approved and I’m not going to bother going back and finding it.
I recommend watching the video of Monckton’s presentation posted previously. It brings together all the refutations under one umbrella. In Monckton’s view, the AGW hypothesised was unequivocally refuted this year with Lindzen’s paper on the earth’s radiation budget. However, I particularly like the way he demolished the 2,500 scientists myth, reducing them to a mere 50 that contributed to chapter 9, and then noting that there were 60 scientists in the review that rejected the AGW position.
One criticism though, why can’t we see the charts in the video? They seem to have been blacked out.
Gene Nemetz:
“The U.S. has not paid any attention to the law of the UN in the past. This single paper won’t carry any authority in the minds of Americans either. There is no reason, whatsoever, for Americans to fear this document.”
I think this is wishfull thinking. The point Monckton was making, and he stresses this explicitly, is that the new World Government treaty will not be like the UN because it will have competency in areas which are currently sovereign to the United States. It will also have powers of enforcement, although the details on this are lacking – probably massive fines.
What can Americans do if a cap & trade bill is passed that raises revenue off the backs of consumers, most of which ends up overseas?
What can Americans do if a law is passed to add 5cents in the dollar income tax to meet the new “climate debt” obligations?
What can Americans do if a law is passed to “price” all roads that are currently freeways, forcing all vehicles to be fitted with transponders that track their movement and automatically generate monthly bills?
What can Americans do if a law is passed that prevents owners from selling their home unless it is brought up to some minimum energy standard as verified by an energy inspector?
What can Americans do if a law is passed that sets the level of property tax depending on how much CO2 is emitted?
What if a law is passed that allows building “green” power infrastructure to shortcut the existing planning and consent regulations?
What if a law is passed to prohibit new coal fired power stations unless equiped with CCS?
I could go on, but I think the message is clear. I speak from experience because most of these examples have either happened in the UK or are being discussed. The UK government are simply handed directives from the EU which are written into UK law. The penalty for non compliance, as always, are massive fines. So if you think this is some joke, then lots of luck buddy.
You can’t say you haven’t been warned.