Global Warming = more hurricanes | Still not happening

So far the hurricane season for the Atlantic has been pretty quiet for 2009. Ryan Maue from Florida State University explains why. In related news, Al Gore has dropped the [hurricane frequency] related slide in his traveling PowerPoint show. – Anthony

Great Depression! Tropical Cyclone Energy at 30-year lows

FSU-ACE_vs_GISS-oceantemp4

Global hurricane frequency versus global ocean temperatures - Top image from FSU ACE, bottom image from GISS ocean data plotted by WUWT - click for larger image

Both Northern Hemisphere and South Hemisphere AND therefore overall Global hurricane activity has continued to sink to levels not seen since the 1970s. Even more astounding, when the Southern Hemisphere hurricane data is analyzed to create a global value, we see that Global Hurricane Energy has sunk to 30-year lows, at the least. Since hurricane intensity and detection data is problematic as one goes back in time, when reporting and observing practices were different than today, it is possible that we underestimated global hurricane energy during the 1970s.

Using a well-accepted metric called the Accumulated Cyclone Energy index or ACE for short (Bell and Chelliah 2006), which has been used by Klotzbach (2006) and Emanuel (2005) (PDI is analogous to ACE), and most recently by myself in Maue (2009) , simple analysis shows that 24-month running sums of global ACE or hurricane energy have plummeted to levels not seen in 30 years.

Figure: 24-month running sums of Accumulated Cyclone Energy.

Why use 24-month running sums instead of simply yearly values? Since a primary driver of the Earth’s climate from year to year is the El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO) acts on time scales on the order of 2-7 years, and the fact that the bulk of the Southern Hemisphere hurricane season occurs from October – March, a reasonable interpretation of global hurricane activity requires a better metric than simply calendar year totals. The 24-month running sums is analogous to the idea of “what have you done for me lately”. During the past 6 months, extending back to October of 2008 when the Southern Hemisphere tropical season was gearing up, global ACE had crashed due to two consecutive years of well-below average Northern Hemisphere hurricane activity. To avoid confusion, I am not specifically addressing the North Atlantic, which was above normal in 2008 (in terms of ACE), but the hemisphere (and or globe) as a whole. The North Atlantic only represents a 1/10 to 1/8 of global hurricane energy output on average but deservedly so demands disproportionate media attention due to the devastating societal impacts of recent major hurricane landfalls.

Why the record low ACE?

During the past 2 years +, the Earth’s climate has cooled under the effects of a dramatic La Nina episode. The Pacific Ocean basin typically sees much weaker hurricanes that indeed have shorter lifecycles and therefore — less ACE . Conversely, due to well-researched upper-atmospheric flow (e.g. vertical shear) configurations favorable to Atlantic hurricane development and intensification, La Nina falls tend to favor very active seasons in the Atlantic (El Nino years are the converse, with must less activity, as forecast by Gray and NOAA for 2009). Thus, the Western North Pacific (typhoons) tropical activity was well below normal in 2007 and 2008 (see table). Same for the Eastern North Pacific. The Southern Hemisphere, which includes the southern Indian Ocean from the coast of Mozambique across Madagascar to the coast of Australia, into the South Pacific and Coral Sea, saw below normal activity as well in 2008. During the 2008-2009 TC season, the Southern Hemisphere ACE was about half of what’s expected in a normal year, with a multitude of very weak, short-lived hurricanes. All of these numbers tell a very simple story: just as there are active periods of hurricane activity around the globe, there are inactive periods, and we are currently experiencing one of the most impressive inactive periods, now for almost 3 years.

Bottom Line

Under global warming scenarios, hurricane intensity is expected to increase (on the order of a few percent), but MANY questions remain as to how much, where, and when. This science is very far from settled. Indeed, Al Gore has dropped the related slide in his PowerPoint. Many papers have suggested that these changes are already occurring especially in the strongest of hurricanes due to warming sea-surface temperatures, but the methodology and data issues with each of these papers perhaps overshadows the conclusions. The notion that the overall global hurricane energy or ACE has collapsed does not contradict the recent climate change / TC linkage literature but provides an additional, perhaps less publicized piece of the puzzle. Indeed, the very strong interannual variability of global hurricane ACE (energy) highly correlated to ENSO, suggests that the role of tropical cyclones in climate is modulated very strongly by the big movers and shakers in large-scale, global climate. The perceptible (and perhaps measurable) impact of global warming on hurricanes in today’s climate is arguably a pittance (or noise) compared to the reorganization and modulation of hurricane formation locations and preferred tracks/intensification corridors dominated by ENSO (and other natural climate factors). Moreover, our understanding of the complicated role of hurricanes with and role in climate is nebulous to be charitable. We must increase our understanding of the current climate’s hurricane activity.

Ryan Maue’s Seasonal Tropical Cyclone Activity Update

Current Tropical Cyclones = 0

September 21: As far as I can tell using the best-tracks, the last day in September without Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE, Bell et al. 2000) being registered was September 24, 2003. During the past 20-years, *15* September days have not had an active tropical cyclone with *5* of those days occurring at the end of September 1999.

Through September 21, comparing 2009 to the previous 20 Septembers for NH ACE, the current total from the operational advisories of about 71 is one standard deviation below the 20-year mean (mean=117,sigma=36). These links are for two plots that show the yearly Northern Hemisphere ACE for September and the average ACE per day during the month.

Since daily ACE represents a 4-times daily sum of wind speed squared, an “average” September 21st could see one of the following (among other combos):

One TC at 125 knots

Two TCs at 90 knots

Three TCs at 70 knots or

Six TCs at 50 knots

Current TCs = 0

September 15: Global Hurricane Frequency [storms with maximum intensity greater than 64 knots] has dramatically collapsed during the past 2-3 years. When measured using 12 or 24 month running sums, the number of tropical cyclones at hurricane intensity is clearly at a 30-year low. HOWEVER, the number of tropical cyclones with intensity greater than 34-knots has remained at the 30-year average (83 storms per year). More on the distinction in an upcoming paper currently submitted for publication.

Global Tropical Cyclone ACE valid September 22, 2009 00Z

BASIN 2009 Current YEARLY CLIMO

Thru Oct 31

CLIMO

Thru Sep 30

CLIMO

Avg Sep

N Hemisphere 244.8 563 493.2 402.8 154
N Atlantic 41.6375 106 99.2 85.0 51.6
W Pacific 109.5 309 254.5 197.9 65.2
E Pacific 89.0625 132 130.1 112.6 36.8
N Indian 4.6 17 9.3 7.3 0.3
S Hemisphere 107 229 Out of Season
  • Northern Hemisphere ACE for the month of July struggled across the finish line, with the lowest recorded value since at least 1970. The monthly ACE value of 15.6 is truly remarkable in its ineptitude considering the average of the previous 40 years is 73! See text file for the previous 40-years ranked according to July ACE activity.
  • May – June – July Northern Hemisphere Tropical Cyclone Activity: the three month ACE sum for 2009 just missed being the lowest since at least 1970, by less than one ACE point behind the truly anomalous year of 1977.

    Sorted monthly data: Text File


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    Phillip Bratby

    Anthony:
    I think the first sentence should read “quiet”, not “quite”.
    Phil
    REPLY: Fixed that as soon as I posted, but thanks. A little early for me here in CA. Server failure alarm got me up in the middle of the night. – A

    anopheles

    I think if you put that top graph alongside a temperature anomaly for the same time period, you’d see a reduction in both over the last twelve years. Which may not prove the headline point.
    No, I don’t think the correlation is significant, they are probably both responding to something else, or random. My point is that this could be ammo for the other side.
    REPLY: Actually I’m working on an update graph doing just that. UPDATE: posted now. – Anthony

    TERRY46

    Last night I was watching the weather channel and Jim Cantori was in Georgia. He was talking about all the rain they have had recently. He said and I repeat if this isn’t CLIMATE CHANGE I don’t know what is. I thought weather wasn’t climate change? That’s what we all been told from all the global warming crowd for years. I guess if this winter we see feet of snow then what will they say then? I know natural variences.

    rbateman

    All of these numbers tell a very simple story: just as there are active periods of hurricane activity around the globe, there are inactive periods, and we are currently experiencing one of the most impressive inactive periods, now for almost 3 years.
    Same for Solar Activity. Hurricanes would then be a domino in the heirarchy.

    rbateman

    Gore may have removed his hurricane jones, but he’s got a new thing in river deltas.

    h.oldeboom

    Less (trapped) atmospheric heat = less motion.(hurricanes)

    Patrick Davis

    I recall discussing hurricanes (Before and) after Katrina with someone who was a serious AGW = worsening weather advocate (The same person who suggested that an earthquake storm, Mag. 3+, in Wellington, NZ, was unusual LMAO, in a quake prone zone after all), and in 2006, there was no increase. In 2007, there was no increase. In 2008, there was no increase, and now in 2009, appears to be no increase. OK, 4 years does not make a trend.

    Ron de Haan

    Ban Ki-Moon in his opening speech at the UN Climate Week stated that he visited the North Pole an saw the melting glaciers with his own eyes!
    Blatant lies compete with sound science and clear facts.
    Climate Change must be stopped to safe the rain forests.
    We all know it is not climate change that threatens the rain forests but the uncontrolled use of the chain saw and the quest for bio fuels.
    Our politicians and the Green Movement have created their own cocoon, excluding sound scientific evidence from cherry picked semi scientific reports, preventing any open debate by spending over 79 billion dollar to corrupt our scientific institutions, and our press in order to screw our populations.
    Facts don’t matter anymore.
    The same goes for this excellent publication.
    As long as the world accepts the fact that they are ruled by a bunch of frauds and opportunists collaborating with the most dangerous extreme ideology ever to roam the earth, worse than the murderous regimes from Mao, Stalin and Hitler put together, we can publish what we want without any serious effect.
    The architects of the Green Doctrine are set to kill billions of people without risking a Nuremberg Trial.
    The AGW/Climate Change doctrine is aimed to destroy our energy infra structure and create economic and social chaos.
    The sooner we stop them the less blood will be shed.
    Otherwise it won’t take very long before we find ourselves fighting for our survival.
    Energy will be rationed and we will stand in long lines for food and water.
    The developing world already feels the fallout of the devastating policies of the Greens and mass starvation is just around the corner.
    Our political establishment can’t be trusted anymore and they have to go.

    Burch Seymour

    “Last night I was watching the weather channel and Jim Cantori was in Georgia. He was talking about all the rain they have had recently. He said and I repeat if this isn’t CLIMATE CHANGE I don’t know what is.”
    Et tu Jim??? Correct me if I’m mis-remembering, but hasn’t Georgia had severe drought recently? Isn’t rain a good thing there?

    Pearland Aggie

    Speaking of temperature cycles, what is going on with the Arctic temperature….that’s a pretty big spike…certainly not unheard of, but really weird looking.
    http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
    REPLY: And there is one just like it on the left side of the bell curve. Not to worry. -A

    Richard Heg

    Al Gore has dropped the [hurricane frequency] related slide in his traveling PowerPoint show. – Anthony
    But i bet it has not been edited from the movie.
    “rbateman (05:58:53) :
    Gore may have removed his hurricane jones, but he’s got a new thing in river deltas.”
    seems river deltas have more to worry about from “green” hydro power than coal or oil.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8266500.stm
    Damming and diverting rivers means that much less sediment now reaches many delta areas, while extraction of gas and groundwater also lowers the land.

    wws

    “Damming and diverting rivers means that much less sediment now reaches many delta areas, while extraction of gas and groundwater also lowers the land.”
    Not to mention that most river deltas are in naturally subsiding basins, such as the Mississippi delta. Not really a surprise – that’s the only reason the river was flowing to that point in the first place!

    Henry chance

    Where do we find the models that predicted the lower accumulated cyclone energy? If the models are on track, a retrospective would be soo handy about now.

    Alan the Brit

    Q: Why does the ocean temp graph stop at 2008, is this because the data would be incomplete?
    AtB
    REPLY: Yes, GISS only updates this particular dataset on annual boundaries. The data is as complete as GISS offers for this particular data set. I suppose I could run the monthly GISS Ocean data set and come up with a 2 year or 5 year curve, but I’m off to appointments this AM. If any of our WUWT regulars/contributors wishes to do such an exercise, I’ll be happy to post it later today. – Anthony

    MartinGAtkins

    Nice one Anthony.
    I’ve been looking for this sort of stuff to match up with the various climate plots I do.
    One thing I’ve learned over the years with regard to the climate is, what you think should happen seldom ever does.

    Curiousgeorge

    Obama at the UN predicting “Irreversible Catastrophe”. This guy needs to switch to decaf.

    M White

    I believe this may be the price to pay for a reduction in tropical cyclone activity
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8267165.stm
    “KENYA HIT BY KILLER DROUGHT”
    The next rains are due in October/November, if they fail the people there will be in deep trouble. In Britain I would expect to see wide spread coverage on the MSM and an urgent call for emergency aid.
    All this just before Copenhagen.

    The DMI Arctic temperature spike could be the release of latent heat during a “burst” of freezing. Clicking through the years, they appear often during the fall freeze-up.
    As Anthony indicates by mentioning the spike earlier this year (due, according to some, to the record sudden stratospheric warming in that case), the entire record is littered with such brief and sometimes dramatic rises.

    If you look closely you might notice that the variation of ocean temps and TC’s is similar, although the trend isn’t. Why? Ryan has a different graphic which answers that question: ENSO. See page twenty two here:
    http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/maue_2009_grl.pdf
    This is likely because of ENSO’s effects in the Pacific Ocean, not the Atlantic (the sign is wrong for that).

    M White (07:24:13) : The thing about weather is that there may be nothing new under the sun, but something is always happening somewhere. Hence, any and all days will have a disaster to be blamed on AGW. Find me one that doesn’t!

    Ron de Haan

    Just watched a speech by Hu Jintao on Climate Change issues.
    The Chinese acknowledge the World Wide consensus on climate change to be the biggest challenge to be faced by humanity and they are prepared to cap CO2 emissions 15% by 2020.

    J.K.

    Anthony
    Thought you’d find this article of interest. I don’t understand most of it, but you probably will. Keep up the good work.
    http://www.clemson.edu/media-relations/article.php?article_id=2262

    SteveSadlov

    I just figured it out. Hurricane frequency is a leading economic indicator! You may now call me at my new Wall Street office – LOL!

    Ron de Haan (07:28:25) : 😆

    TERRY46

    Obama said we must act now on climate change.Time is running out but we can reverse it.Let me fill you in on A little secret.The climate changes every day every week every month and every year .It always has and it always will .End of story.Now if they are actually talking about global warming ,since we are entering a cold 20 plus year cycle , I guess Obama will look like a hero for cooling off the planet .In reality if this climate change bill doesn’t go into effect we still will go through A 20 colder cycle.IT’S A CYCLE PEOPLE.WE CAN’T CONTROL WEATHER .ONLY GOD IN HEAVEN CAN DO THAT.

    Gene Nemetz

    In related news, Al Gore has dropped the [hurricane frequency] related slide in his traveling PowerPoint show.
    Well, that’s one way to deal with failed predictions.

    Gene Nemetz

    TERRY46 (05:55:04) : Last night I was watching the weather channel and Jim Cantori
    Any time I see his his face with those grim looks I just change the channel. His global warming scare is one way to make a living I guess. It certainly is politically correct.

    Cold Lynx

    It seems to me that ACE is following the solar cycle activity with about 12-24 months delay.
    Compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar-cycle-data.png with ace above.

    austin

    Hurricanes dissipate heat energy accumulated in the Oceans – they are one of Prigogine’s dissipative structures.
    You need a certain minimum amount of heat to form them and to sustain them. Drop the heat input rates into the oceans and the ACE will drop simply because there is not enough minimum heat to drive the formation of the structure much less sustain it.

    Pascvaks

    Has anyone else noticed this trend? As the level of global CO2 rises, the quality of education decreases. Put another way: As the number of PhD’s awarded each year increases at a rate equal to or greater than the rise in global CO2 levels, the quality of genius is diminished by an equal and opposite value. There simply must be a correlation -and I believe the weather in Washinton, DC, has a lot to do with it too- but, I guess, I’m simply too stupid to see what it is. I half suspect that ‘Birth Credits’ will soon replace ‘Carbon Credits’ and that the price of meat, poultry, and fish will soon go through the roof. (Don’t tell India or China, they’ll get mad.)

    Henry chance

    Joe Romm is shouting with glee that an appelate court has allowed states to sue utilities. The case is already 5 years old. The charge is that they pollute and cause radical warming. Of course they will have to confront this data. We have cooling and lower accumulated energy. It is nearly impossible to blame a power company when there is a forrest fire. Wonder how they will deal with power point pictures of forest fires?
    If your graphic show cooling since 2005, how can they charge the smokestacks with warming?
    Actually when Obama says “irreversible” that means we will no longer be able to see a graph that goes downward. But we do.

    Tenuc

    This is good news as it once agan throws doubt on the AGW brigade’s predictons.
    Very few of my pro-AGW friends are still believers, as most have swung over to join me in the ‘skeptical’ crowd over the last couple of years. Too many failed predictons from the IPCC and too much media hype are the man reasons for their change of mind, I feel.
    If we get another long cold winter here in the UK like the last one, then I’m hopeful the last two hard-line believers will move into the skeptic camp too. Common sense tends to prevail in the end 😉

    David Ball

    What part of “we are well within natural variability” do people not understand? The perception of looming doom is clearly perpetrated for political reasons. It is time that we risk our jobs and our futures to ask that very question, and demand answers that make sense, not soothsayer predictions about 50 – 100 years from now. Most of the world ( including the U.S. and Canada ) could give a crap about CC, and this apathy has allowed the liars of the scientific world to gain the ear of the POTUS. The spell must be broken. It is also clear that these people and organizations want to push this agenda through, for in their hearts and in the back of their minds they know it will get colder, and then it will get warmer again, and then it will get colder again, etc. The green view’s ignorance of facts is exceeded only by it’s arrogance. Send me a smoke signal if you need me to build a sod hut for you and your family in the green future. You will need to gather food to trade for my services.

    David

    I’m afraid you’re wrong. This is unquestionably the most active hurricane season since the beginning of time. Yeah, I know there aren’t a lot of hurricanes, but you see, I’ve got a computer model that shows how many hurricanes there would have been if it weren’t for 17 completely anomalous weather patterns that suppressed the number of actual hurricanes. If you remove the effects of those weather patterns from this year, and previous years, you’ll see what this year’s hurricane season was really like. And it’s SCARY!!! 🙂

    Brian Johnson uk

    Your President said this recently….
    “No nation, however large or small, wealthy or poor, can escape the impact of climate change. Rising sea levels threaten every coastline. More powerful storms and floods threaten every continent. More frequent drought and crop failures breed hunger and conflict in places where hunger and conflict already thrive. On shrinking islands, families are already being forced to flee their homes as climate refugees. The security and stability of each nation and all peoples – our prosperity, our health, our safety – are in jeopardy. And the time we have to reverse this tide is running out.”
    Is he on a different planet?

    Michael

    I have to laugh my ass off at the global warming conspiracy deniers when I see what the Sun is denying them of every day. No sunspots for them for a very long time till they learn a lesson they will never forget, HAHA. The lesson includes, you can’t trick the world into accepting global energy rations and Rothschild style control of the energy markets through junk climate science.
    Watch this 1990 documentary, it proves the on-going conspiracy to control the entire world through global taxation of the energy markets.
    The Greenhouse Conspiracy
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5949034802461518010#
    NO sunspots for Obama till he learns a lesson he will never forget!

    David Ball

    When Obama said he would bring about change, what he meant was that is what is going to be left in your pocket.

    Steven Hill

    Obama stopped the hurricanes, everyone knows that. When it’s 25 below zero this winter, they can claim victory over climate change.

    crosspatch

    The latest words of our Secretary of Energy are simply infuriating:

    When it comes to greenhouse-gas emissions, Energy Secretary Steven Chu sees Americans as unruly teenagers and the Administration as the parent that will have to teach them a few lessons.
    Speaking on the sidelines of a smart grid conference in Washington, Dr. Chu said he didn’t think average folks had the know-how or will to to change their behavior enough to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions.
    “The American public…just like your teenage kids, aren’t acting in a way that they should act,” Dr. Chu said. “The American public has to really understand in their core how important this issue is.” (In that case, the Energy Department has a few renegade teens of its own.)

    So our government sees us as children and they are in a parental role. This is called “patronizing” and I have felt partonized by our government but at least now we can see that it is official policy.

    Jerky

    [snip – your email address of “nospam@hotmail.com” is invalid, in that it does not reach you directly. Per our posted policy on the policy page, your participation is denied, sorry. If you wish to use a valid email address, you can post a comment.]

    barbee butts

    Of course there is another explaination….
    In 2006 my husband and I moved out of Miami, Fla which resulted in a dramatic drop in Atlantic activity. Since ALL of my friends agree=it’s a consensus.

    Michael

    I told every one I knew here at the beginning of hurricane season in SW Florida, there will be zero hurricanes hitting us this year due to the sleep cycle and dormant phase of the SUN! I knew the oceans would not be heated as much because of the low Sun activity and virtually no sun spots. I told everybody to drop their hurricane insurance and go naked, save themselves a lot of money and don’t worry about buying storm supplies. I was 100% right.

    Ron de Haan

    Harold Ambler (07:25:06) :
    The DMI Arctic temperature spike could be the release of latent heat during a “burst” of freezing. Clicking through the years, they appear often during the fall freeze-up.
    As Anthony indicates by mentioning the spike earlier this year (due, according to some, to the record sudden stratospheric warming in that case), the entire record is littered with such brief and sometimes dramatic rises.
    Harold,
    You are right, temps have varied through out the records.
    Not one of them is without spikes.
    As long as the temperatures stay well below zero there won’t be any problem.

    Curiousgeorge (07:17:01) : “Obama at the UN predicting “Irreversible Catastrophe”. This guy needs to switch to decaf.”
    Obviously, he was talking about his administration.

    Cassandra King

    Listening to Obama/Ban Ki Moon and the others it makes me wonder what it will take for them to confront reality?
    They seem under the influence of some kind of mass delusion which excludes reality and pragmatism, the longer they cling to to their faith the more foolish they are going to look when reality can no longer be denied.
    Do these ‘world leaders’ have an eye to their legacy I wonder? Do they understand that to make an error of this magnitude will ruin their reputations completely in the years to come, it just doesnt make sense to me.
    Surely they some inkling by now that all is not well with the AGW/MMCC/AAM theory and if they are not careful they are going to look pretty stupid, they must be very desperate to push this thing forward if they will risk so much to get it through regardless.

    CDJacobs

    austin
    @ 08:04:19
    “Hurricanes dissipate heat energy accumulated in the Oceans – they are one of Prigogine’s dissipative structures.
    You need a certain minimum amount of heat to form them and to sustain them. Drop the heat input rates into the oceans and the ACE will drop simply because there is not enough minimum heat to drive the formation of the structure much less sustain it.”
    I’m not sure I understand the point of your comment, nor do I see how an ocean temperature relationship correlates reliably with ACE peaks on a global basis. ’84-’86 ocean temps are largely on the lower end of the anomaly range, but ACE is well above mean in those years. Similarly, ’00-’06 shows mostly a significantly higher anomaly, but ACE hovering around the mean. ’88-’98 reflects dramatic anomaly shifts up and down but ACE remains above mean. I’m on lunch break and don’t have time to do some simple math but I think there’s much more at work. (Looking at NOAA storm history and Atlantic temperature information from the very cold 70’s erodes the simple “heat = hurricanes” argument even more, if a “regional” look makes any sense.)
    I’m VERY open to counter-argument as I do not hold an opinion one way or the other. If it IS indeed a strong correlation then the oceans must be cooling like crazy on a global basis since mid-2007…

    edward

    Off topic but interesting
    “After decades of debate and four years of investigation an international body of earth scientists has formally agreed to move the boundary dates for the prehistoric Quaternary age by 800,000 years, reports the Journal of Quaternary Science.”
    “For practical reasons such boundaries should ideally be made as easy as possible to identify all around the world. The new boundary of 2.6 million years is just that,” concluded Gibbard, “hence we are delighted at finally achieving our goal of removing the boundary to this earlier point.”
    “The decision is a very important one for the scientific community working in the field,” said Journal Editor Professor Chris Caseldine. “It provides us with a point in geological time when we effectively did move into a climatic era recognisably similar to the geological present.”
    See more at lin
    http://www.physorg.com/news172824857.html
    thanks
    Ed

    Howarth

    Last night I was watching the weather channel and Jim Cantori was in Georgia. He was talking about all the rain they have had recently. He said and I repeat if this isn’t CLIMATE CHANGE I don’t know what is. I thought weather wasn’t climate change? That’s what we all been told from all the global warming crowd for years. I guess if this winter we see feet of snow then what will they say then? I know natural variences.
    Hey Terry, Did you see the snow fall they had in Colorado yesterday? I think I saw the weather channel report the snow fall right after the story on the flooding in Georgia….. But snows just weather.

    SteveSadlov

    RE: “Joe Romm is shouting with glee that an appelate court has allowed states to sue utilities.”
    Bring it on. We need a big fight between the providers of electricity and gas, and, the government media complex. I hope it ends in a “lockout.” Let the dumbed down voters freeze in the dark.